(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2004-10-24]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Bardock [5k\]: hi
guojuan [5p\]: ok, mingjiu wll show us another game
Kasper [11k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
spingle [8k\]: yup
teaheart [4k\]: yes
Virag0 [-\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: yes we can
play4fun [2k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: yes
xbubu [18k\]: yes
agui [5k\]: yes
Th4n4t0s [7k\]: yes
itself [2d?\]: yes
rhubarb [10k\]: hello yes
Meldor [9k\]: yes
Wagner [1k\]: yup
randall [15k?\]: yes
smuin [?\]: yes
teaheart [4k\]: yes
MajorTom [18k\]: yes
Gool [8k\]: yes
teaheart [4k\]: yes
Alchem [23k\]: yes
RealRellik [25k?\]: loud and clear
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[de]CR[de]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[DangoMouse [2k\]: should w play c6 before d14?
ndkrempel [9k\]: C4 instead of D14?
]
(;W[df]CR[df]C[pyro [7k\]: doesnt this make D4 cry?
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Tweenie [-\]: what level are the players?
Tzad [12k\]: It means b lacks terr?
Tzad [12k\]: What do you mean be that?
p7a77 [10k\]: likes
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[kivirch [2k\]: so is white D13 & B9 better ?
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[rhubarb [10k\]: :)
Scribe [?\]: white can tenuki black o17....not sente. c8 is so big. so important for both
GMF [12k?\]: but is it not good to play f3 instead of c6 for the tenuki
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Wagner [1k\]: o17 mistake in direction?
Tweenie [-\]: O17 
play4fun [2k\]: O17 looks not the best
Scribe [?\]: black c15 wrong direction?
GMF [12k?\]: perhaps, white gonna make some influence in te top?!
Tweenie [-\]: C8 better
Wagner [1k\]: f17 is low
GMF [12k?\]: m16?!
Scribe [?\]: white missed c6
Scribe [?\]: slow move
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [?\]: good for black
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [?\]: no!
]
(;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Scribe [?\]: c6 is a must
GMF [12k?\]: but what is with f3?!
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[GMF [12k?\]: ah okay
rhubarb [10k\]: too deep
Scribe [?\]: bad idea for white
Tweenie [-\]: hard to attack
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[Scribe [?\]: impossible to attack black here
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Xynosis [9k\]: sente
Morten [5k\]: sente
borsuk [12k\]: sente
Bardock [5k\]: sente
]
(;W[kd]CR[kd]C[googlebear [9k?\]: not light enough     now w is heavy
Scribe [?\]: white must connect
itself [2d?\]: isn't it aji keshi?
Scribe [?\]: white is too heavy
grftjx [4k\]: what about L 13 now?
googlebear [9k?\]: if B caps?
]
(;B[ng]CR[ng]C[Xynosis [9k\]: q12
Scribe [?\]: order of moves is so important
Scribe [?\]: j15 first
]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[ni]CR[ni]C[bison [9k\]: white in trouble
GMF [12k?\]: is it not the same..
]
;W[ki]CR[ki]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[Scribe [?\]: m16 is bad due to white's j16
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
(;B[id]CR[id]C[evilpixie [8k\]: is white right side not too large now ?
]
;W[kf]LB[pb:19][dc:3][fc:15][ic:23][kc:22][nc:17][qc:20][cd:13][hd:34][id:35][kd:26][ld:25][pd:4][ce:11][de:10][ie:29][ke:24][ne:21][cf:12][df:14][kf:36][lf:33][qf:18][kg:30][ng:27][ph:28][ki:32][ni:31][cj:16][qn:6][dp:1][pp:2][kq:9][nq:5][qq:8][pr:7]C[ndkrempel [9k\]: is M14-L14 a good exchange?
ndkrempel [9k\]: are 25 and 33 necessary?
Scribe [?\]: white 24 at 35, make sabaki quickly?
GMF [12k?\]: yes, cause of the cuts. then
ChoK [13k\]: isn't 9 a bit low ?
Kasper [11k?\]: 27 maby on n13
rhubarb [10k\]: 22 24 26 now bad
iucounnu [?\]: 29 at 30 ?
Tzad [12k\]: 34 is also too deep
googlebear [9k?\]: now W left side potential is no good?
kasparob [2k\]: B29 make no points?
googlebear [9k?\]: no
GMF [12k?\]: yes i think
spingle [8k\]: no j14 better?
agui [5k\]: no
Scribe [?\]: good exchange for white
Scribe [?\]: black heavy
Scribe [?\]: black 35 bad mvoe
GMF [12k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: black o17 slow.....c8 is huge
GMF [12k?\]: when black plays c8. what is the best answer for white then?!
Scribe [?\]: Mingjiu?  is this a 5k game?
Ridgeback [6k\]: where should B have played 25 ??
GMF [12k?\]: amatuer dan?!
Scribe [?\]: 4d!
hugogogo [5k\]: kgs 4D?
googlebear [9k?\]: if W need to reduce B on top...K16 is better than 22?
rhubarb [10k\]: after c8 w o17
Tweenie [-\]: 4 dans are weak :-)
GMF [12k?\]: okay.. but what is the best answer for white if black plays c8?!
]
(;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[iq]CR[iq])
(;B[]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[Scribe [?\]: e16 easy for white now
Haikane [18k\]: f16
])
(;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[ej]CR[ej]C[GMF [12k?\]: o17 shimari?!
agui [5k\]: How can white utilize the H16 J16 exchange ?
]))
(;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[jf]CR[jf]C[GMF [12k?\]: but this is better for black or?!
]
(;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [?\]: white can not allow this
rhubarb [10k\]: b too thick
])
(;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[Scribe [?\]: white got nothing
])))
(;W[ed]CR[ed]C[googlebear [9k?\]: H16
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[he]CR[he]C[Scribe [?\]: better than game for white
]))
(;B[ie]CR[ie]C[p7a77 [10k\]: c8?
]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[ng]CR[ng])
(;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[id]CR[id]C[bison [9k\]: white escapes...
]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[he]CR[he]C[Scribe [?\]: black can not attack this white, rather white attacks
]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[mf]CR[mf]))
(;W[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [?\]: white can not give up l17
Scribe [?\]: L17
]
(;B[kd]CR[kd]C[googlebear [9k?\]: e18
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[guojuan [5p\]: better way to connect
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[hansili [9k\]: yes
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [?\]: white lives up top
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]C[iucounnu [?\]: white settles
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[Mukoji [23k\]: isn't 9 joseki answer to 8?
googlebear [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: white e8 becomes interesting
])
(;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [?\]: much better for white than the game
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[he]CR[he]C[bison [9k\]: l16 not better for black?
])))
(;B[cl]CR[cl]))
(;W[cn]CR[cn]))
(;B[cl]CR[cl]))
(;W[cn]CR[cn]))
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [?\]: two josekis, no mistakes
Scribe [?\]: black must play here
]
(;W[]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[flydog [3k\]: yeah.
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [?\]: after the top left this is a big move for both at c8
GMF [12k?\]: yes+
spingle [8k\]: double hane is bad for w?
]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [?\]: good continuation for black
]
;B[bj]CR[bj]C[bison [9k\]: ok
marwin [5k\]: is mingojiu saying something ?
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ck]CR[ck])
(;W[nc]CR[nc])))
(;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[bison [9k\]: same
]
;B[cm]CR[cm]))
(;B[dh]CR[dh])
(;B[cg]CR[cg]))