(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[joseph]PB[xavier]WR[2k]BR[5p]DT[2004-10-21]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[I was black and I began well
But I dislike the moves I played after move 69
godman [1k\]: begin ?
GMF [12k?\]: Who was black?!
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[moichido [14k?\]: the student
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[p7a77 [10k\]: What was the level of the players, please?
]
;W[po]CR[po]C[spingle [8k\]: audio?
Kikuchyo [?\]: guojuan's student
]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]C[agui [5k\]: no audio
Staer [7k\]: no sound
godman [1k\]: y
ivoSF [5k\]: yes
Staer [7k\]: yes
Modomannen [13k\]: ye
GMF [12k?\]: yes
suchmi [9k\]: yes
Nitrose [24k\]: yes
Hunternet [12k\]: yes
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
RedPrince [12k\]: yes
Baga [9k\]: yes
Morphi [6k\]: yes
Saiya [4k\]: yes
sputnik [16k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: now
zazie [-\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: yes
Charisma18 [9k\]: yeah
iru [8k?\]: yes
hugogogo [5k\]: y
spingle [8k\]: thnx yeah ;)
grmaster [9k\]: yes
Shinrei [-\]: myu ^^
rhubarb [11k\]: hehe
agui [5k\]: yes now is ok
helium [4k\]: :)
zazie [-\]: :-)
Fatality [16k?\]: I hear you :)
Charisma18 [9k\]: ^^
thomen [12k?\]: :D
edlee [11k\]: If W knows B will likely pincer Q5, is Q5 still a good move for W ?
]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
(;W[oq]CR[oq]C[GMF [12k?\]: and the center is open , still i think.. 
Scribe [?\]: this is a mistake by white
]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
(;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[godman [1k\]: b miss a oppertunity
Scribe [?\]: o2 mistake makes white stronger
GMF [12k?\]: q6!
moichido [14k?\]: r4
Smudo [?\]: r6?
Nitrose [24k\]: r6
Nitrose [24k\]: ?
Scribe [?\]: r5 is very dangerous move for black
Charisma18 [9k\]: r4
ivoSF [5k\]: r6
godman [1k\]: r4
eminent [13k\]: R4
agui [5k\]: R3
StoneSage [18k\]: q4
FireFox04 [13k\]: R4
plonk [16k\]: q4
rhubarb [11k\]: r4
iru [8k?\]: r4
pedro69 [12k\]: r4
playgo [3k\]: R4 Q4 R6 ?
GMF [12k?\]: i still thin q6!
Otop [7k\]: r4
]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [?\]: black ends in gote and three stones above are weakened by white r4
Hunternet [12k\]: scribe is doing
grmaster [9k\]: she is talking too fast for my typing :-)
helium [4k\]: no no!
Wook [-\]: no
vosje [17k\]: no
rhubarb [11k\]: no
Nitrose [24k\]: no, its ok
evilpixie [8k\]: no not at all
play4fun [2k\]: no
IceApple [?\]: not really
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: no
GMF [12k?\]: nooooooooooooooo ^^
Hunternet [12k\]: for me its okay ^^
moichido [14k?\]: it is ok
godman [1k\]: no , just fine
puimakzz [17k?\]: no
Tictactoe [-\]: no, i don't think so
Makato [18k?\]: ;-)
Bardock [5k\]: XD
lurchi [15k?\]: no
RikiTiki [6k\]: just right
swordsplay [10k\]: no
Fatality [16k?\]: why whtie shouldn't play K16 ?
vosje [17k\]: too fast for writing only
Scribe [?\]: no you are fine..scribe will get the gist of the lecture
playgo [3k\]: i hear all the phones ringing...
woll997 [5k\]: ☎
godman [1k\]: hehe, always phones coming
GMF [12k?\]: yes
Nitrose [24k\]: yea
vosje [17k\]: yes
suchmi [9k\]: yes
grmaster [9k\]: it is private chat rinnings
Morphi [6k\]: sure
eminent [13k\]: ya
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]C[Scribe [?\]: yes
Staer [7k\]: yes
Smudo [?\]: yes
Otop [7k\]: me too
Tictactoe [-\]: yes, i do
DangoMouse [-\]: Guo, did you know there is a no chats option in the user menu?
]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[zee [5k\]: yes
abbadan [17k?\]: :)
playgo [3k\]: is the moyo better then the territory ?
Scribe [?\]: see last lecture
]
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
(;W[ej]CR[ej]C[godman [1k\]: too loose
Scribe [?\]: wrong place.  white must keima at n10, build moyo
helium [4k\]: :))
Marlix [10k\]: you can turn it off gua
helium [4k\]: yes
Smudo [?\]: yes
Korenn [8k\]: turn off sound in options
Staer [7k\]: There is a way
Marlix [10k\]: in the options menu
Tictactoe [-\]: unplug the phone
Scribe [?\]: User menu
DangoMouse [-\]: no chats, under the user menu
bourrette [6k\]: you can block in "user"
evilpixie [8k\]: user menu -? no chat
Scribe [?\]: no chats option
Smudo [?\]: user -> no chat
FireFox04 [13k\]: user-> no chats
Scribe [?\]: User Menu -> no chats
p7a77 [10k\]: thanks  :)
Wook [-\]: And please folks...STOP messaging her
Korenn [8k\]: \\o/
]
;B[mj]CR[mj]C[Otop [7k\]: -*-
zazie [-\]: good !
grmaster [9k\]: better to turn of those rings
Scribe [?\]: vital point for both players
zazie [-\]: it's the vital point 
Tictactoe [-\]: crosspoint of moyo
zazie [-\]: light point of the goban
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[de]CR[de]C[helium [4k\]: hmm
GMF [12k?\]: white
godman [1k\]: w
puimakzz [17k?\]: w
Fatality [16k?\]: W
FireFox04 [13k\]: W
rhubarb [11k\]: white
GMF [12k?\]: must stronger
moichido [14k?\]: w
Staer [7k\]: white!
Nitrose [24k\]: white
zazie [-\]: :)
pedro69 [12k\]: w
iru [8k?\]: white
eminent [13k\]: attack
hugogogo [5k\]: C16
Ubiquity [1d?\]: kill black
godman [1k\]: attac
bourrette [6k\]: attack
zazie [-\]: attack !
moichido [14k?\]: keep distance
evilpixie [8k\]: cap
eminent [13k\]: DEMOLISH!!!
DocNo [11k\]: attack
GMF [12k?\]: perhaps attacking where w isweak
zazie [-\]: pince !
godman [1k\]: c16
moichido [14k?\]: f16
p7a77 [10k\]: f16?
eminent [13k\]: strengthen self
Tictactoe [-\]: score points
Bardock [5k\]: be aggressive
eminent [13k\]: E16
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: take base away
trestles [2d\]: remove base
evilpixie [8k\]: stop him expanding
Staer [7k\]: Deny base
Scribe [?\]: white is much stronger. black must attack, this move is wrong for attack
DocNo [11k\]: c3 or d3
schokonick [19k\]: tsuke?
ivoSF [5k\]: remove eyes
zazie [-\]: D13 ?
eminent [13k\]: oh
bourrette [6k\]: make a shape and steal life base
GMF [12k?\]: first build strenght
p7a77 [10k\]: d13
eminent [13k\]: D14
rhubarb [11k\]: c13
Otop [7k\]: c16
vince [5k\]: c16
hakkl [18k?\]: d13
zazie [-\]: i will play D13
Scribe [?\]: first step, remove eye shape of opponent
evilpixie [8k\]: c13
Tweenie [-\]: C16
notowuri [2d\]: c16
sputnik [16k\]: d13
Tictactoe [-\]: C16 
Staer [7k\]: C16?
bourrette [6k\]: c16?
lurchi [15k?\]: cut off
moichido [14k?\]: d12
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: c16
Aimless [9k\]: c15?
Bardock [5k\]: c16
agui [5k\]: C16
ivoSF [5k\]: c16?
thomen [12k?\]: e15
playgo [3k\]: C13 ?
Nitrose [24k\]: E14
iru [8k?\]: c16
Wook [-\]: build a base for your own stones, attack from strength
Staer [7k\]: ok
guojuan [5p\]: mingjiu, are you there?
moichido [14k?\]: k
eminent [13k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: okay understood
Modomannen [13k\]: ok
mingjiu [7p\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: time for mingjiu
ArekM [10k\]: C14 it seems be good
godman [1k\]: good
eminent [13k\]: He left
GMF [12k?\]: okay
Bardock [5k\]: ok
p7a77 [10k\]: you can go to file > set preferences and turn off "alarm for tells"
godman [1k\]: go go go
p7a77 [10k\]: that should stop the ringing
Fatality [16k?\]: oki
zazie [-\]: see you lat... aaargh
Wook [-\]: just STOP these annoying messages guys
]
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
(;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[gg]CR[gg]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
(;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[kr]CR[kr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[ms]CR[ms]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[fk]CR[fk]C[until this move, I was no so unhappy of what I played, but for the folowwing moves, I thought I could easily found better moves.
]
;W[fl]CR[fl]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hk]CR[hk]
(;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[gr]CR[gr]
;B[ls]CR[ls]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[fs]CR[fs]
;B[js]CR[js]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[no]CR[no])
(;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[km]CR[km]
;W[mn]CR[mn]))
(;W[fp]CR[fp]))
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ch]CR[ch]))
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[if]CR[if])
(;B[ec]CR[ec]
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[hc]CR[hc])
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[eg]CR[eg]))
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[gh]CR[gh]
;W[hg]CR[hg]
;B[ig]CR[ig]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[jh]CR[jh]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[kj]CR[kj]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[kk]CR[kk]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
(;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[ml]CR[ml])
(;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[ml]CR[ml]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[km]CR[km]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[io]CR[io]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[gr]CR[gr])))))
(;W[mj]CR[mj]C[manakem10 [10k\]: can anyone send me script of last lecture?
manakem10 [10k\]: ok thanks
godman [1k\]: s16 test black
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[Scribe [?\]: ask at end of lecture today
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[re]CR[re]C[godman [1k\]: S16 is last chance , otherwise miss it
]
;W[sc]CR[sc]))
(;W[mj]CR[mj]C[Fatality [16k?\]: why w play C10 instead of K16 ?
GMF [12k?\]: but now, white has big moyo
Scribe [?\]: pushing from behind is bad, game will get better for white as a result
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[juras [?\]: can anybody write down what is guojuan saying?
]))
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[evilpixie [8k\]: r3
])
(;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[qq]CR[qq]))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[iru [8k?\]: yes
Nitrose [24k\]: yea
]
(;W[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [?\]: better
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]TR[op][nq][oq]C[hugogogo [5k\]: b better
Scribe [?\]: push at o2 is mistake
Staer [7k\]: ugh
Scribe [?\]: connecting all stones is very big
godman [1k\]: so good for black
Scribe [?\]: white has inefficient shape
GMF [12k?\]: agree
Bardock [5k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: yea
Charisma18 [9k\]: yes
][hugogogo [5k\]: b better
Scribe [?\]: push at o2 is mistake
][hugogogo [5k\]: b better
Scribe [?\]: push at o2 is mistake
])
(;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[pn]CR[pn]C[godman [1k\]: poor w
eminent [13k\]: see, yummy
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[sq]CR[sq]C[Scribe [?\]: white will die here
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[godman [1k\]: w 2 b 3
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
(;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[sr]CR[sr]
;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[sr]CR[sr]
;B[qr]CR[qr])
(;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[sr]CR[sr]
;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[sm]CR[sm]C[Staer [7k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Hunternet [12k\]: yes
godman [1k\]: s7 good, we should learn
agui [5k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: b wins
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[GMF [12k?\]: yes
]
;B[so]CR[so]C[iru [8k?\]: black
]
;W[sr]CR[sr]
;B[qs]CR[qs]C[Otop [7k\]: b.
]))))
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[jn]CR[jn]C[Scribe [?\]: joseki for moyo building by black
zazie [-\]: :-)
Baga [9k\]: ;)
GMF [12k?\]: but the bottom is now white
srjh [-\]: there is also possibility to live in corner later ?
]))
(;B[np]CR[np]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qk]CR[qk]TR[oc][qd]C[ArekM [10k\]: she has nice voice :)
godman [1k\]: w
rhubarb [11k\]: w
GMF [12k?\]: better for white
Staer [7k\]: White
borsuk [12k\]: W
Nitrose [24k\]: good for white
zazie [-\]: for black ?
iru [8k?\]: white
agui [5k\]: for white
fahad [18k\]: w
Saiya [4k\]: w
zazie [-\]: oups 
thomen [12k?\]: w
Saiya [4k\]: r16
ivoSF [5k\]: d3 low
godman [1k\]: live easy in black
rhubarb [11k\]: lives in black space
Staer [7k\]: Get's to play near Q10
eminent [13k\]: black is crammed
moichido [14k?\]: black can be shrunk
zazie [-\]: but if black play R11 ?
ArekM [10k\]: :)
agui [5k\]: black loses potential on the right
borsuk [12k\]: black cant play r10
GMF [12k?\]: first, the expnsion is not possible anymore.
iru [8k?\]: blackl thickness top right is reduced in use
])
(;B[pl]CR[pl])
(;B[pm]CR[pm])
(;B[pk]CR[pk]TR[oc][qd]C[Scribe [?\]: Good for White.  The powerful upper right corner must be used to advantage
Scribe [?\]: Must pincer!  
agui [5k\]: but not r9 , right ?
Tweenie [-\]: what about R5 instead of pincer ?
])
(;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Snuva [19k?\]: white
Nitrose [24k\]: white
puimakzz [17k?\]: w
Staer [7k\]: White
DrizztDo [13k\]: w
Bardock [5k\]: white
eminent [13k\]: white
StoneSage [18k\]: good for white
GMF [12k?\]: both
fahad [18k\]: white
agui [5k\]: white
pedro69 [12k\]: w
godman [1k\]: god 4 w
moichido [14k?\]: even
zazie [-\]: i prefer black but..
eminent [13k\]: same idea
srjh [-\]: q10 instead o3 ?
eminent [13k\]: isn't Q6 better?
eminent [13k\]: more solid
Scribe [?\]: too easy on white, not using upper right power
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[lq]CR[lq])))