(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2004-10-31]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AW[dc][kc][fd][pn][po][np][pp][oq][or]AB[pd][ce][ci][qo][dp][qp][pq][rq][pr][qr]LB[jp:C][fq:A][gq:B][hq:E][kq:F][lq:D]SQ[pn][po][dp][np][pp][oq][or]C[GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
moichido [14k?\]: L3
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: h3
GMF [12k?\]: l3 is to low i think.. 
Staer [7k\]: White
rhubarb [11k\]: w stronger
Modomannen [13k\]: white
moichido [14k?\]: white
Morphi [6k\]: w
Smudo [?\]: white
Bardock [5k\]: white
pedro69 [12k\]: white
Charisma18 [9k\]: white
godman [1k\]: w
Smudo [?\]: thicker
GMF [12k?\]: white
Nitrose [24k\]: white
Charisma18 [9k\]: for sure
Scribe [?\]: White is stronger then the single black stone at d4
GMF [12k?\]: w has evt. more stones there ^^
][GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
][GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
][GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
][GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
][GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
][GMF [12k?\]: hi
OmShanti2 [13k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes 
OmShanti2 [13k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Good Afternoon LaoShi 
mingjiu [7p\]: good moring
manakem10 [10k\]: hello, yes, i can hear you
Bardock [5k\]: hi
suchmi [9k\]: hello
RedPrince [12k\]: hello! :))
seahorse76 [8k\]: hello
GMF [12k?\]: hello. nice to meet you again as well
pedro69 [12k\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: okay
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: ok
GMF [12k?\]: ok
pedro69 [12k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: little soft
GMF [12k?\]: ok
sputnik [16k\]: hello
Saiya [4k\]: r7 or k4
srjh [-\]: g3
jhudsy [10k\]: K3?
fightbug [4k\]: k4
GMF [12k?\]: k4??????
Hunternet [12k\]: i say K4
p7a77 [10k\]: lower middle?
moichido [14k?\]: m3
iru [8k?\]: g3
fahad [18k\]: top right
trestles [2d\]: r7
niivram [1k\]: f3, reduce white influence
play4fun [2k\]: F3
ChuangTse [2d\]: f3
Scribe [?\]: What is the best move for black here
Osiris [7k\]: g3
tubbs [-\]: g3
vince [5k\]: m10
thomen [12k?\]: s7
DocNo [11k\]: 017
burtabel [4d\]: g3
Orphan [?\]: G3
darcy [?\]: white 9 moves black 10?
franzush [10k\]: r7
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: k3
Bardock [5k\]: r13
Tweenie [-\]: G3
Nitrose [24k\]: Q10
helium [4k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: bottom is most valuable developeable for both
Anaconda [4k\]: G3
Charisma18 [9k\]: G3
HngryHippo [9k\]: A
tolung [8k\]: A
iru [8k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
gomme [15k\]: I vote A too
Scribe [?\]: find the open areas: bottom and right side
moichido [14k?\]: bottom
eminent [13k\]: C
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: open areas are right and bottom
cresc [7k\]: B G3 looks far enough (blunting thickness)
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]TR[qo]C[Marlix [10k\]: xc
Scribe [?\]: which is more important?
tubbs [-\]: A too close to thickness?
]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[ip]CR[ip]TR[pn][po][np][pp][oq][or]C[ivoSF [5k\]: so q16 not alone enough to be considered weaker then left?
moichido [14k?\]: yes
iru [8k?\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: yes
Fatality [16k?\]: yes*
Scribe [?\]: white thickness is now dual purpose, very efficient
Staer [7k\]: yes
Charisma18 [9k\]: yes
ivoSF [5k\]: ok
Smudo [?\]: so pincer F3
])
(;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [?\]: rights side is opened by the stone at r5, so it is not interesting
])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[gp]CR[gp]C[Scribe [?\]: opponent strong...keep distance...dont approach thickness...this is too close to white
])
(;B[lq]CR[lq])
(;B[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [?\]: even worse
])
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[franzush [10k\]: what would be white answer?
godman [1k\]: b think best
Smudo [?\]: j3?
BMarley [4k?\]: i like white
])
(;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [?\]: good mvoe
Scribe [?\]: best even
GMF [12k?\]: yes clear
moichido [14k?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Modomannen [13k\]: yepp
Morphi [6k\]: yes
Baga [9k\]: yes
pedro69 [12k\]: yes
rhubarb [11k\]: now c3?
zazie [-\]: yes
lurchi [15k?\]: clear
Scribe [?\]: can you compare white invasion at 3x3 now to that when balck at h3?
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: corner still open?
brx [11k\]: why w wouldnt invade now?
rasse [21k\]: yes
franzush [10k\]: What would be white answers to black playing too close?
hum [7k?\]: ca w still 3x3 there
play4fun [2k\]: does G3 leave w C3 ?
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[moichido [14k?\]: should white just play k3 ?
]
(;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[ep]CR[ep]C[Scribe [?\]: 3x3 invasion still possible but more difficult for white
]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[eo]CR[eo])
(;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
(;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[br]CR[br]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[gr]CR[gr]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[iq]CR[iq])
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[gr]CR[gr]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [?\]: better white is very low, strong facing the ;left side
zazie [-\]: black cannot play D3 instead of C4 ?
helium [4k\]: sure
Smudo [?\]: yes
lurchi [15k?\]: y
thomen [12k?\]: yes
godman [1k\]: y
darcy [?\]: yes
rhubarb [11k\]: yes
sputnik [16k\]: yes
agui [5k\]: yes
Morphi [6k\]: yep
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: white wall not useful anymore
eminent [13k\]: yup
ArekM [10k\]: nice
])))
(;B[hq]CR[hq]C[Scribe [?\]: f3 is a little slow.
abbadan [17k?\]: vest
moichido [14k?\]: invasion of white
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[rhubarb [11k\]: f3 invasion
Modomannen [13k\]: u can pince it
godman [1k\]: h3 not best, coz f3 intrude
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[gr]CR[gr]C[Scribe [?\]: h3 allows white to invade too easily behind h3
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]))