(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2004-10-31]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Nitrose [24k\]: hello
Modomannen [13k\]: hi
Fatality [16k?\]: hello
Bardock [5k\]: hi
playgo [3k\]: hi
Morphi [6k\]: hello
swordsplay [10k\]: hello
Staer [7k\]: Check
lurchi [15k?\]: hi
RikiTiki [6k\]: hello!
guojuan [5p\]: hihi
p7a77 [10k\]: hello!
Pang33rd [20k?\]: hi
puimakzz [17k?\]: hi
hugogogo [5k\]: hi
iru [8k?\]: hello
st85st327 [10k\]: HELLO
Nitrose [24k\]: yeah
Morphi [6k\]: yes
Tictactoe [-\]: loud and clear
moichido [14k?\]: yes
lurchi [15k?\]: y
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Staer [7k\]: We can hear you
evilpixie [8k\]: howdy
Hunternet [12k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: we hear
zee [5k\]: y
FireFox04 [13k\]: yes
zhixiang [5k\]: yes
pedro69 [12k\]: yes
RedPrince [12k\]: hi!!
Korenn [8k\]: yes =\]
Ambivlnce [13k\]: Hello :)
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [?\]: Happy Halloween!
zazie [-\]: lol
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Harleqin [4k\]: yay
moichido [14k?\]: yep
guojuan [5p\]: :)
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[ArekM [10k\]: Thx scriba u 2
CBlue [8k\]: trick move or treat
Scribe [?\]: joseki, simple standard
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[iru [8k?\]: we like tricks
abbadan [17k?\]: yes
]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qi]CR[qi])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[zazie [-\]: cut ?
Scribe [?\]: trick move
eminent [13k\]: ouch
zazie [-\]: yes
playgo [3k\]: cut
moichido [14k?\]: yep
Staer [7k\]: yes
Hunternet [12k\]: i am always afraid of that :s
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [?\]: must cut
ArekM [10k\]: r18
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[playgo [3k\]: sagari
moichido [14k?\]: connect out
]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Korenn [8k\]: extend?
Smudo [?\]: r18
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[zazie [-\]: it's difficult
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[eminent [13k\]: nooooooo
]
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[zazie [-\]: yep
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Staer [7k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: good for black
zazie [-\]: the ladder must be for white
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]C[playgo [3k\]: very safe corner
Tweenie [-\]: ladder break
eminent [13k\]: waste move
godman [1k\]: ladder
Scribe [?\]: leaves bad aji in ladderr
])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[eminent [13k\]: ouch
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[zazie [-\]: it's terrible
]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[zazie [-\]: yep
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [?\]: must play here
eminent [13k\]: yup
eminent [13k\]: R15
godman [1k\]: s16
zazie [-\]: R15
moichido [14k?\]: s16
Saiya [4k\]: s16
GMF [12k?\]: s16
playgo [3k\]: S16 
puimakzz [17k?\]: s16
ArekM [10k\]: s16
moichido [14k?\]: s18
Morphi [6k\]: s16
Nitrose [24k\]: s16
Modomannen [13k\]: s16
ChuangTse [2d\]: r15
vince [5k\]: s16
fahad [18k\]: s16
Tweenie [-\]: R15
thomen [12k?\]: s16
zazie [-\]: R15 !
lurchi [15k?\]: q19
eminent [13k\]: R15
hakkl [18k?\]: 216
lazy [?\]: s18 ;p
lazy [?\]: so r15 is default?
GMF [12k?\]: ?!
Scribe [?\]: how to attck invasion
]
(;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [?\]: must NOT
GMF [12k?\]: just r15
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Tweenie [-\]: I have seen P16 instead of Q18 for Black.  What is the difference ?
]
(;W[re]CR[re]C[iru [8k?\]: why is it dead?
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[ArekM [10k\]: bad for white
Scribe [?\]: white can not play this way
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [?\]: not alive in corner due to this sente
godman [1k\]: t17
Tictactoe [-\]: this is sente to the corner
GMF [12k?\]: perhaps it is better for throwing the 2 tones away and plays elsewhere ?!
]
;W[]C[playgo [3k\]: ah T17 T18 R19 
]
;B[sc]CR[sc])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[GMF [12k?\]: no 2 eyes
Scribe [?\]: still good for black
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[pf]CR[pf])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[zazie [-\]: yep
]
;W[]
;B[sc]CR[sc]))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[eminent [13k\]: R15
eminent [13k\]: ya
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [?\]: must atari here
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[eminent [13k\]: jump
]
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[eminent [13k\]: jump
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[lazy [?\]: but isn't r10 too far? :(
]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[playgo [3k\]: which one is better ?
Scribe [?\]: now to attack invasion
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]TR[re][qg][qh]C[lazy [?\]: but jump so far there?
eminent [13k\]: ouch
Scribe [?\]: comparison joseki
Staer [7k\]: yes
Smudo [?\]: left
eminent [13k\]: left
moichido [14k?\]: left upper
eminent [13k\]: komoku
puimakzz [17k?\]: left
dr [8k\]: fairly similar
Nitrose [24k\]: left
fahad [18k\]: left
Scribe [?\]: black top left corner bigger
eminent [13k\]: usual joseki
Scribe [?\]: white top right area bigger and stronger
zazie [-\]: but the right white wall is bigger ?
moichido [14k?\]: c12
GMF [12k?\]: not really -.-
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [?\]: now too easy for black to reduce on the left
]
;W[]C[GMF [12k?\]: c12
godman [1k\]: YYY
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Bardock [5k\]: yes
Korenn [8k\]: yes
pedro69 [12k\]: yes
Morphi [6k\]: yes
iru [8k?\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: yes
Tictactoe [-\]: R8 less efeective
zazie [-\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: how to keep?
])
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[godman [1k\]: y
GMF [12k?\]: yo
moichido [14k?\]: yepp
Morphi [6k\]: yes
franzush [10k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
rhubarb [11k\]: yes
iru [8k?\]: yes
pedro69 [12k\]: yes
thomen [12k?\]: tak
puimakzz [17k?\]: yes
Otop [7k\]: yes.
godman [1k\]: thanks
Scribe [?\]: how to handle invasion at r12 or r13?
evilpixie [8k\]: hopw to xhoose between r10 r11 ?
ArekM [10k\]: tak
])))))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [?\]: Game Record
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[godman [1k\]: load the game record directly
srjh [-\]: who are the players ?
moichido [14k?\]: w c15
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[guojuan [5p\]: what is this :)
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[dr [8k\]: this is such a basic joseki, i'm surprised when i see professionals play it
moichido [14k?\]: yip
]
;W[de]CR[de]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
(;W[cf]CR[cf]C[eminent [13k\]: why surprised?
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [?\]: black c15 mistake?
]
(;W[df]CR[df]C[dr [8k\]: not otherworldly enough :)
Charisma18 [9k\]: c9?
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Staer [7k\]: Why not pincer there?
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[zazie [-\]: it's not really good
Otop [7k\]: e10
moichido [14k?\]: c6
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: lower left not powerful enough?
GMF [12k?\]: hmm
godman [1k\]: too low
rhubarb [11k\]: c8
])
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Osiris [7k\]: would you answer?
GMF [12k?\]: ikken tobi eventually?!
godman [1k\]: why black C7 ?
guojuan [5p\]: Jump at E10 to defend
]
;W[]C[Korenn [8k\]: c12
Scribe [?\]: prepares for the invasion at c12
]
(;B[ch]CR[ch]C[godman [1k\]: w strong in centrol
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[godman [1k\]: b12
GMF [12k?\]: the game from last week!!!
GMF [12k?\]: ?!
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [?\]: white territory is gone
ArekM [10k\]: b9 isnt better than c9
]
;B[bj]CR[bj]C[eminent [13k\]: what about hane for white?
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[eminent [13k\]: hm...
])
(;B[]C[moichido [14k?\]: ok
zazie [-\]: ok
dr [8k\]: answer D10?
franzush [10k\]: answer where?
godman [1k\]: i prefer black at c7
eminent [13k\]: jump
eminent [13k\]: I think
guojuan [5p\]: e10
])))
(;W[dg]CR[dg]C[playgo [3k\]: new moves :-)
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[guojuan [5p\]: joseki too
eminent [13k\]: yup
maufred [9k\]: new tesuji
]
;B[cm]CR[cm]C[Staer [7k\]: C12 still open right?
guojuan [5p\]: possible sente
Scribe [?\]: again prepares the invasion at c11
guojuan [5p\]: if white takes sente
]
;W[]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[bourrette [6k\]: c12?
zazie [-\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: c12
Korenn [8k\]: still c12
guojuan [5p\]: d12 invasion 
godman [1k\]: b12
rhubarb [11k\]: no
ivoSF [5k\]: was in guo juan lectures
Staer [7k\]: Yes
zazie [-\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: c12
godman [1k\]: b13
Otop [7k\]: b15
GMF [12k?\]: nice
maufred [9k\]: b13
moichido [14k?\]: don't know :(
Scribe [?\]: white b13 iirc
godman [1k\]: c10
abbadan [17k?\]: d12
godo123 [-\]: 3 ways now
Scribe [?\]: too easy on black will connect underneath
CBlue [8k\]: E11 is not possible for black?
Hunternet [12k\]: i do guojuan
]
(;W[bg]CR[bg]LB[bj:A][cj:B][dj:C]C[godman [1k\]: c10
Hunternet [12k\]: and black D10  
godo123 [-\]: this is a must
godman [1k\]: many choice
maufred [9k\]: d10
moichido [14k?\]: c10
Hunternet [12k\]: C 
Scribe [?\]: black has these choices b10, c10, d10
GMF [12k?\]: for me b looks nice.. ^^
thomen [12k?\]: c
abbadan [17k?\]: c
eminent [13k\]: C
Gooru [25k\]: С
Korenn [8k\]: c
Otop [7k\]: b
Staer [7k\]: C
moichido [14k?\]: B
guojuan [5p\]: I don't hear mingjiu
filou [10k\]: a
Bardock [5k\]: C
GMF [12k?\]: c is easy to cut ?!
Gooru [25k\]: С
guojuan [5p\]: ok
ArekM [10k\]: A seems  better 
moichido [14k?\]: B
hakkl [18k?\]: a
Nitrose [24k\]: b
Charisma18 [9k\]: b
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[godo123 [-\]: C for moyo game
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[bi]CR[bi]C[dr [8k\]: cut?
filou [10k\]: a
hakkl [18k?\]: a
guojuan [5p\]: white has to connect
eminent [13k\]: B12
dr [8k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: yes
Fatality [16k?\]: yup
Korenn [8k\]: yes
lurchi [15k?\]: y
guojuan [5p\]: I hear you
]
;B[bh]CR[bh]C[agui [5k\]: yes
]
;W[ah]CR[ah]C[ArekM [10k\]: ofcorse
eminent [13k\]: cut
]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[ai]CR[ai]
(;B[dk]CR[dk]C[guojuan [5p\]: only move
Scribe [?\]: must for black
]
;W[bk]CR[bk]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is a middle game joseki
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bl]CR[bl]C[moichido [14k?\]: =)
godman [1k\]: oh, i see
]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[kjp [4k\]: w c8 before b9
guojuan [5p\]: white E12 necessary
Scribe [?\]: first way possible
Hunternet [12k\]: okah
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Korenn [8k\]: yes
moichido [14k?\]: k
guojuan [5p\]: very nice
agui [5k\]: ok
lurchi [15k?\]: ok
Hunternet [12k\]: okay
ArekM [10k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: of course
GMF [12k?\]: ok
thomen [12k?\]: tak
Otop [7k\]: นา
DocNo [11k\]: thx
Scribe [?\]: result of black choosing d10
Wook [-\]: Thank you *bows* :)
guojuan [5p\]: I continue 
Bardock [5k\]: thx
iru [8k?\]: thanks
guojuan [5p\]: thanks mingjiu
hakkl [18k?\]: thx
Nitrose [24k\]: thanks
guojuan [5p\]: ok
moichido [14k?\]: =) thx
suchmi [9k\]: thank you
Gooru [25k\]: thx
lurchi [15k?\]: thx
rhubarb [11k\]: thanks
Korenn [8k\]: thank you =\]
PepboyGo [-\]: thanks
RedPrince [12k\]: thank you mingjiu!!
kjp [4k\]: tak
godman [1k\]: thanks a lot
puimakzz [17k?\]: thanks
GloiraZEBU [3k?\]: thx
zazie [-\]: thanks
play4fun [2k\]: thank you
guojuan [5p\]: we go to the game I was reviewing now
vince [5k\]: thx
franzush [10k\]: thanks
BrunnenG [15k?\]: thx
capra [12k?\]: thanks
GloiraZEBU [3k?\]: thx
godman [1k\]: Mingjiu Jiang 
guojuan [5p\]: save this one if you want
Otop [7k\]: Big thanks
flogo [2k\]: thx
ArekM [10k\]: thanks it was plasure to hear you
abbadan [17k?\]: thanks
thomen [12k?\]: for me too
thomen [12k?\]: yes
GMF [12k?\]: in guojuan's game now
])
(;B[bk]CR[bk]C[Scribe [?\]: fails
]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[GMF [12k?\]: w kill
hakkl [18k?\]: yes
ArekM [10k\]: of course
]
;W[ej]CR[ej]C[godman [1k\]: b killed
]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[fk]CR[fk]C[guojuan [5p\]: b is dead
]
;B[eh]CR[eh]C[Scribe [?\]: hard for black to escape
GMF [12k?\]: hm but possible
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[guojuan [5p\]: net
]))
(;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[bf]CR[bf]C[godman [1k\]: b14
])))
(;W[cd]CR[cd]C[zazie [-\]: !
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]))
(;B[cf]CR[cf]C[eminent [13k\]: here's your pro move
eminent [13k\]: hehe
zazie [-\]: lol
]
;W[ce]CR[ce])))