(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2004-11-21]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AW[dc][qf][ch][pj][pn][qn][po][cp]AB[oc][qd][ce][qo][op][qp][eq][pq]LB[hc:C][oe:B][cm:E][do:D][jq:A]TR[ch][cp]C[Heretix [15k?\]: hello again Bodo212 [12k\]: hi again tjip [?\]: np kjp [5k\]: he droped out again Lilltiger [19k\]: Does he have the new client? Codexus [9k\]: poor guojuan, you're sick and have to do all the work :( agui [5k\]: no problem , thank you for your kindness LithiumTwo [13k\]: yes, thankyou! stalkor [7k\]: *bows deep* arigato guo sensei Bodo212 [12k\]: ok agui [5k\]: it's ok monchacha [11k\]: thank you smudge [9k\]: Thank you, Guo Juan! nanashi0 [?\]: Thank you Guo Juan. def [?\]: don't worry for the lesson and go resting Spark5309 [11k\]: d hansb [2k\]: D GrandYanII [7k?\]: I go for C.... LithiumTwo [13k\]: D amigo [13k\]: e shaokhan [8k\]: d agui [5k\]: D Codexus [9k\]: C darron [9k?\]: d tjip [?\]: D lurchi [15k?\]: c gogy [9k\]: d stalkor [7k\]: two weak blacks c15 and e3 hakkl [18k\]: c Fatality [15k\]: B Tweenie [-\]: D stalkor [7k\]: kinkhoest? Heretix [15k?\]: try chinese medicine :) cocoon [13k\]: e Stav [6k?\]: E Heretix [15k?\]: C dr [8k\]: d = sente and at moyo intersection, then something like A? QI [6k?\]: d stalkor [7k\]: i say D Bodo212 [12k\]: not B postmanpat [8k\]: d nicegame [6k\]: c cocoon [13k\]: e/d lurchi [15k?\]: c li92093 [4k\]: e moichido [12k\]: d tjip [?\]: B small GrandYanII [7k?\]: No one says A :) story [?\]: D agui [5k\]: yes very redundant kjp [5k\]: over concentrated GrandYanII [7k?\]: Haha ] (;B[jq]CR[jq]TR[ch][cp]C[GrandYanII [7k?\]: Gote Scribe [?\]: Problem: Black to play DrGoPlayer [5k\]: no dr [8k\]: w E5 now Bardock [4k\]: D agui [5k\]: too flat Heretix [15k?\]: too concentrated swilks [5k\]: big but not urgent kjp [5k\]: not urgent nicegame [6k\]: not urgent. lower side is played out atman [3k?\]: no effect on white amigo [13k\]: too close to thickness smudge [9k\]: slow and low, not very interesting Bodo212 [12k\]: not urgent? GrandYanII [7k?\]: No. DrGoPlayer [5k\]: helps e3 but slow nicegame [6k\]: e: A = not urgent moichido [12k\]: g3? stalkor [7k\]: d15? amigo [13k\]: g3 hansb [2k\]: D6 LithiumTwo [13k\]: E5 Bodo212 [12k\]: g 3? whome [2k\]: E5? Stav [6k?\]: D7? dr [8k\]: w E5 aiming at H3-ish? lurchi [15k?\]: e5 QI [6k?\]: D6 seku [17k\]: G4 ? agui [5k\]: e5 GrandYanII [7k?\]: It's too low, in this position.... postmanpat [8k\]: e4 Lilltiger [19k\]: e5 li92093 [4k\]: e5 Bodo212 [12k\]: ok Scribe [?\]: Not urgent, low (k3) allows white to play d5, urgent to make white position higher DrGoPlayer [5k\]: just maKe w higher ] (;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Codexus [9k\]: e5 stalkor [7k\]: g3 not nice kjp [5k\]: no GrandYanII [7k?\]: g3 suicidal... agui [5k\]: E5 nicegame [6k\]: with c4-c12 shape, its important to make it higher agui [5k\]: what about E5 ? Lilltiger [19k\]: Why not E5? ] ;B[eo]CR[eo] ;W[dn]CR[dn]C[xbubu [17k\]: d15 tjip [?\]: a nice suicide... sounds secular :) ] ;B[hp]CR[hp]TR[dn] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[er]CR[er]) (;W[do]TR[ch][do][cp]C[agui [5k\]: for white Scribe [?\]: white can sacrifice a stone here. this is not a bad move at all (g3) ] ;B[] ;W[fp]CR[fp]C[Bodo212 [12k\]: aha ] ;B[fq]CR[fq] ;W[gp]CR[gp] ;B[gq]CR[gq] ;W[hp]CR[hp] ;B[hq]CR[hq]C[GrandYanII [7k?\]: W gets a wall... ])) (;B[oe]CR[oe]C[GrandYanII [7k?\]: Weird shape. Heretix [15k?\]: yeah nicegame [6k\]: A = too slow Scribe [?\]: p15 does nothing for black ]) (;B[cm]CR[cm]C[QI [6k?\]: builds thickness ] ;W[do]CR[do]) (;B[do]CR[do]C[agui [5k\]: yes , very nice tjip [?\]: yes agui [5k\]: yes Bardock [4k\]: yes dr [8k\]: yes Wasserfall [4k\]: yes GrandYanII [7k?\]: Clear. moichido [12k\]: clear Codexus [9k\]: yes Bodo212 [12k\]: yes Lilltiger [19k\]: yes Scribe [?\]: d5 most important area for both black and white rtop [?\]: yes LithiumTwo [13k\]: yes tukan [23k\]: yes nicegame [6k\]: lower left corner is most important nicegame [6k\]: waht about C15 ? tjip [?\]: thx Bodo212 [12k\]: bye LithiumTwo [13k\]: thanks tjip [?\]: cya smudge [9k\]: Thank you! Codexus [9k\]: thanks agui [5k\]: ok thanks again LithiumTwo [13k\]: bye ] ;W[co]CR[co]C[Scribe [?\]: black c7 makes trouble for black...self inflicted wound ] (;B[dn]CR[dn]C[kjp [5k\]: play where the opponent would play? ] ;W[cm]CR[cm]) (;B[dm]CR[dm]C[Scribe [?\]: d5 allows black to grow the bottom ] ;W[dn]CR[dn] ;B[en]CR[en]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: this pushes w down ] ;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[em]CR[em] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[er]CR[er] ;W[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [?\]: two josekis ] ;B[jp]CR[jp]C[nicegame [6k\]: yes, kjp. that's often true ])))