(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2100]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2004-12-05]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AB[dd][jd][pd][dj][jj][pj][dp][jp][pp]C[sojun [?\]: yes
au2 [2k\]: yes
trry [?\]: yes
au2 [2k\]: fine
Codexus [9k\]: Hello, we hear you clearly
au2 [2k\]: Good morning
sojun [?\]: i'm dutch though ^^
Pterygoid [?\]: i'm dutch too
ivoSF [5k\]: and some more
sojun [?\]: yes we do, but some things come first ^^
Grimley [7k?\]: en even more
Codexus [9k\]: I guess go is more important ^^
Looser [27k?\]: lucky<
Grimley [7k?\]: lets do this lecture in dutch then
Kaedejpn [3k\]: Goe
hansb [2k\]: in Spain
woll997 [5k\]: Germany 
Looser [27k?\]: germany
glorfindel [12k\]: france
DrizztDo [12k\]: france
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: oregon
ralph [6k\]: sky
trry [?\]: Spain again
Looser [27k?\]: and Wales
bubulle [-\]: france rocks :p
]
;B[]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[ip]CR[ip])
(;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[sojun [?\]: ok
]
;W[jn]CR[jn]TR[np][fq][nq]C[Bardock [4k\]: no
Looser [27k?\]: kind of
DnF [8k\]: yes
sojun [?\]: this like happens half of the 9h games
Pterygoid [?\]: yes
glorfindel [12k\]: yes
Aristocles [11k\]: yes
Looser [27k?\]: thx
glorfindel [12k\]: thx
Scribe [?\]: Black should not die, but in real life the group dies in the end (due to inability to handle white play)
Scribe [?\]: To win a handicap game its better to attack than to defend
Looser [27k?\]: kung fu fighting
Scribe [?\]: Just fight!  fighting is the way to learn faster.
Codexus [9k\]: yes ^^
Pterygoid [?\]: ok
Looser [27k?\]: YES
sojun [?\]: promise ^^
Ameise [8k\]: :)
Scribe [?\]: Therefore do not fear White k6 just break through to the outside
Looser [27k?\]: 2>1
Scribe [?\]: PeterH is asking if White will kill the Black corner in the lower right
KatzenAuge [13k?\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: Black G4 is very strong move
]
(;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[Looser [27k?\]: isn't this real?
sojun [?\]: yes
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[jr]CR[jr])
(;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Scribe [?\]: Black has more stones, fighting is in Black's favor
Scribe [?\]: Walk to the weak side
Looser [27k?\]: white n4?
PeterH [14k?\]: is p3 and r 4 dead?
Ameise [8k\]: no
PeterH [14k?\]: almost dead?
Looser [27k?\]: when black attacks the strong side
KatzenAuge [13k?\]: H3 inseead of G4 also ok?
KatzenAuge [13k?\]: instead
PeterH [14k?\]: is white going to kill pr and r4?
Looser [27k?\]: when b m4 w n5
li92093 [4k\]: white p3 or c3?
KatzenAuge [13k?\]: alright thx
Grimley [7k?\]: clear
agui [5k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: White K6 is a paper tiger
sojun [?\]: ok
Grimley [7k?\]: thnx
]
(;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [?\]: H4
goglu [-\]: H4
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[PeterH [14k?\]: F5
PeterH [14k?\]: ?
]
;B[im]CR[im]C[Scribe [?\]: H4: Black walks ahead
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[toktok [?\]: g7
PeterH [14k?\]: F7?
]
;B[gm]CR[gm])
(;W[fp]CR[fp]C[sojun [?\]: G5?
Scribe [?\]: G5: Black must walk ahead
Looser [27k?\]: f6
]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[glorfindel [12k\]: g6
PeterH [14k?\]: making lines together?
sanjose [4k\]: g6
PeterH [14k?\]: :s
]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[sanjose [4k\]: g7
]
;B[gm]CR[gm]C[PeterH [14k?\]: I thought f7
])
(;W[ip]CR[ip]C[PeterH [14k?\]: j5
grftjx [4k\]: g3
]
(;B[io]CR[io])
(;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[sojun [?\]: black
au2 [2k\]: b
PeterH [14k?\]: black
Looser [27k?\]: b
Scribe [?\]: G3, N17 split white and make Black solid
]))
(;W[cq]CR[cq]C[PeterH [14k?\]: ok, walking ahead
Looser [27k?\]: yes
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Bardock [4k\]: ok
KatzenAuge [13k?\]: sorry just enterted
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[er]CR[er]C[Aristocles [11k\]: i like it
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: yes
]
;W[cr]CR[cr]C[rapentire [26k?\]: ok
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[Scribe [?\]: Let White live with a small corner
]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[lm]CR[lm]C[PeterH [14k?\]: then we should c5
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Looser [27k?\]: interesting
PeterH [14k?\]: not?
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[og]CR[og])
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[PeterH [14k?\]: yes, annoying
sojun [?\]: R18
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: extend
Looser [27k?\]: grrr
PeterH [14k?\]: you give up a stone
tobe30k [20k\]: q15
ivoSF [5k\]: q15
sanjose [4k\]: r15
bolbi [10k\]: Q15 
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: r3
trry [?\]: p17
PeterH [14k?\]: they all say q15 :p
goglu [-\]: R18
rapentire [26k?\]: r15
toktok [?\]: q15
sojun [?\]: r18
FLgator [6k?\]: R18
handtalk [?\]: r18
au2 [2k\]: Q15
Grimley [7k?\]: r18?
nyaa [21k?\]: q15
kjp [5k\]: r18
li92093 [4k\]: s17
agui [5k\]: q15
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: r18
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [?\]: Black still has cutting points
Chocobovn [6k\]: already relog
]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Looser [27k?\]: annoyingfor b
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Chocobovn [6k\]: i cant hear...
Grimley [7k?\]: maybe rejoin chocobovn
Scribe [?\]: Most common WHite gets big corner
])
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb])
(;B[rc]LB[rc:B][gp:A]C[PeterH [14k?\]: p17?
agui [5k\]: ok, very nice !
Scribe [?\]: Crosscut: help weaker stone
PeterH [14k?\]: white is dead...
PeterH [14k?\]: 9 handicap
ericosman [2k\]: please look at atari
kjp [5k\]: always extend when the opponent cut
PeterH [14k?\]: then white aleways loses?
ericosman [2k\]: white P16 atari ?
Kasper [13k\]: what about b q18 instead?
mpu [2d\]: white S16 now?
sojun [?\]: r18 wrong?
ericosman [2k\]: suppose white atari at P16 
Looser [27k?\]: one side of w dies the other lives?
FLgator [6k?\]: R18?
sojun [?\]: like last weak: play sente moves first?
Looser [27k?\]: what is semeai?
sojun [?\]: week i mean
Santa [-\]: semeai is a capturing race
ivoSF [5k\]: looser take eefort to find out instead of asking at the expense of others
PeterH [14k?\]: Handicap games, white loses always?
Scribe [?\]: A and B are two fo the most important shapes fro handicap games
Grimley [7k?\]: if black plays correct yes
mingjiu [7p\]: yes
sojun [?\]: cool
Santa [-\]: hi
mingjiu [7p\]: hi
PeterH [14k?\]: white can't win from 5p :p
agui [5k\]: ok Thank you very much
]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Aristocles [11k\]: nice
Looser [27k?\]: nobi?
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]LB[oc:A][qf:B]C[Scribe [?\]: nobi == extend
Looser [27k?\]: does white get anything at all?
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Looser [27k?\]: thx
PeterH [14k?\]: white will die
Scribe [?\]: Black kills one of the cutting stones, very big for Black
])
(;W[pf]CR[pf]C[PeterH [14k?\]: cause that takes longer
PeterH [14k?\]: semeai?
PeterH [14k?\]: r13?
goglu [-\]: P15
flogus [1k\]: r14 ?
PeterH [14k?\]: 14 srry
ericosman [2k\]: protect the 2 stones in middle
sanjose [4k\]: p17
Anderz [21k\]: p17?
trry [?\]: p14
ericosman [2k\]: from being captured
FLgator [6k?\]: P17
ivoSF [5k\]: p14?
Aristocles [11k\]: o16
agui [5k\]: p17
jbrown6001 [8k\]: p17
]
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [?\]: This is what white wants
Scribe [?\]: Black is in bad shape on inside and outside
])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oe]CR[oe]C[PeterH [14k?\]: should black not just give up nd get somewehere else?
sanjose [4k\]: p15
])
(;B[oe]CR[oe]LB[oc:B][qf:A]C[rapentire [26k?\]: empty triangle?
Scribe [?\]: This is the Best MOVE
ericosman [2k\]: very ugly indeed
Looser [27k?\]: yup
PeterH [14k?\]: no idea
]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [?\]: Black needs more liberty, this move gets more liberty directly while white has two problems
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Looser [27k?\]: wild
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[PeterH [14k?\]: no
PeterH [14k?\]: black is too strong
]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rg]CR[rg]TR[od][ne][of]C[KatzenAuge [13k?\]: 4
Looser [27k?\]: 4
kjp [5k\]: 4
PeterH [14k?\]: COOL!
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[ne]CR[ne])))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]))
(;W[rd]CR[rd]C[sanjose [4k\]: s15
]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[sanjose [4k\]: s15
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[qa]CR[qa]LB[pc:A]C[PeterH [14k?\]: black dies
PeterH [14k?\]: uttegaeshi
au2 [2k\]: yes
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[sanjose [4k\]: s15
Looser [27k?\]: uttewhat?
sojun [?\]: yes
agui [5k\]: yes
])
(;B[re]CR[re]C[PeterH [14k?\]: stupid move
akira2004 [6k\]: p17
Santa [-\]: lol
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Grimley [7k?\]: lol
FlowerKing [6k\]: haha
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [?\]: Strange looking but powerful move
PeterH [14k?\]: and succeeds
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [?\]: Again the cutting stone dies
ericosman [2k\]: please look at white P16 atari instead of S16
]))
(;W[od]CR[od]C[Scribe [?\]: IN place of white Nobe
agui [5k\]: ok
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[PeterH [14k?\]: black always wins
PeterH [14k?\]: unless he is stupid :p
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[ericosman [2k\]: R15
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[enfo [9k\]: what if white goes q15 instead of R15 in response to black's s15 tesuji?
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[PeterH [14k?\]: trumpet?
PeterH [14k?\]: why?
Santa [-\]: poor white ;-(
PeterH [14k?\]: why Q18?
ericosman [2k\]: q14 atari
Grimley [7k?\]: q14 doesnt work?
Looser [27k?\]: the nightmare before x-mas
Scribe [?\]: nightmare for White
PeterH [14k?\]: yeah :p
])
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[PeterH [14k?\]: then semeai?
]))))))
(;B[ho]CR[ho]C[Scribe [?\]: Black is too defensive this way
]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[ip]CR[ip]TR[jp])
(;B[lp]CR[lp]C[PeterH [14k?\]: why not try to kill strong side?
Scribe [?\]: Play G4 over M4
PeterH [14k?\]: otherwise it kills you?! :s
PeterH [14k?\]: Go is not that simple
PeterH [14k?\]: ...
Looser [27k?\]: WHITEN$ß
])
(;B[hq]CR[hq]C[KatzenAuge [13k?\]: yes
sojun [?\]: hmmm, i have a feeling often kyu-players have a tendency to see only one way for black to make territory (usually side oriented)
]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[lq]CR[lq])))