(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2004-12-19]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AW[nc][jd][ch][dl]AB[pd][pf][dj][pj]C[go [8k?\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: helo
guojuan [5p\]: do you hear me
guojuan [5p\]: ?
goglu [-\]: no
handtalk [8k\]: very quiet
gds [?\]: no
Fatality [12k?\]: no sound
spingle [9k\]: no
Dartagnate [16k\]: negative
ReeZe [16k\]: no 
playm8 [5k?\]: hi
eternal [?\]: Hello GuoJuan
hatebiotec [4k?\]: juo
spingle [9k\]: can hear low tone pops
ligo [9k\]: louder  please
rakdver [19k\]: hello
handtalk [8k\]: no
halo5 [13k\]: just barely
playm8 [5k?\]: i hear you VERY FAINTLY
Uvas [-\]: nope
Uvas [-\]: extremely faint
GrandYan [8k?\]: Hardly heard.
Ambivlnce [14k\]: Very, very, faintly.
go [8k?\]: nothing
Uvas [-\]: little better
playm8 [5k?\]: gotta watch out, if i turn up the sound and she suddenly puts it in the right volume then i may blow my eardrums out ^^()
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: no
handtalk [8k\]: yes too quiet
GrandYan [8k?\]: Full volume speaker!
Restore [12k\]: i hear also very, very quiet
Dartagnate [16k\]: i heard a hi, but yes, very faint
hatebiotec [4k?\]: still not good
Bodo212 [14k\]: very faint only
spingle [9k\]: cannot hear
Scribe [?\]: extremely weak audio
go [8k?\]: very weak
smudge [13k\]: can not hear you :(
handtalk [8k\]: no good guojuan
GrandYan [8k?\]: Scribe!
ATM [12k?\]: Maybe the earphones and microphones are in the wrong holes.
agui [7k\]: Hello
Scribe [?\]: impossible to understand what is being said
agui [7k\]: Audio very weak
smuin [?\]: cant hear
moichido [14k\]: hrm much too silent :/
Uvas [-\]: yell!
GrandYan [8k?\]: Scribe is back!
Fatality [12k?\]: I head your voice hide by the noise :/
Dartagnate [16k\]: lol
spingle [9k\]: guojuan last time this happened wms suggested restarting the kgs client to fix it
Dartagnate [16k\]: she is yelling
Restore [12k\]: a bit better, but still too bad
Uvas [-\]: ok
Nezumii [26k\]: ...
Fatality [12k?\]: Scribe : you will have a very hard work today
Scribe [?\]: ;)
Scribe [?\]: i'll have to use telepathy unless we get this sound issue cleared up
ligo [9k\]: check the battery in the mic
playm8 [5k?\]: mic doesn't necessarily have a battery
Bellicose [13k\]: could be the problem 
ligo [9k\]: maybe star with mingui
ligo [9k\]: start
guojuan [5p\]: hi
guojuan [5p\]: mingjiu is teaching now
guojuan [5p\]: I will follow later
guojuan [5p\]: go to his game please
scsiduck [29k?\]: yes
Bardock [4k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Much bettter
GMF [10k?\]: yes verya good
Scribe [?\]: MUCHMUCH better
Bardock [4k\]: alot better
ligo [8k\]: good
ZeroKun [-\]: excellent
Uvas [-\]: i can hear!
zazie [-\]: me too
Fatality [12k?\]: hi
Worthless [-\]: Heard!
go [8k?\]: sound perfect
Fatality [12k?\]: I can hear you
Bodo212 [14k\]: can hear
agui [7k\]: Hello
cemo [?\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok very well
Bodo212 [14k\]: fine
agui [7k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: yup
GMF [10k?\]: disonnectzions
playm8 [5k?\]: E11
GMF [10k?\]: E11  was the best way
mmm1 [?\]: e11
Worthless [-\]: Another shape today.
]
(;B[sa]CR[sa]C[Scribe [?\]: d9 splits white and gives black a wide base facing the center but strengthens the lower white stone (d8)
]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[bh]CR[bh])
(;W[ei]CR[ei])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]C[halo5 [13k\]: C10
mmm1 [?\]: b10
Scribe [?\]: b10 splits white and deprives both white stones of eye shape
handtalk [8k\]: d12
]
(;B[ei]CR[ei]C[GMF [10k?\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: e 11 ok
Worthless [-\]: Ok.
GMF [10k?\]: yeah a lot
Uvas [-\]: b10
Bodo212 [14k\]: b 10
Restore [12k\]: c9
moichido [14k\]: c10
spingle [9k\]: b10
Worthless [-\]: B10 ?
dedain [10k\]: c10, c11, c9 ..
])
(;B[bj]CR[bj]C[GMF [10k?\]: C10 B10 D9 C11 
GMF [10k?\]: ...
])
(;B[cj]CR[cj]C[Worthless [-\]: :)
])
(;B[ci]TR[ch][ci]C[dedain [10k\]: c11, c9
Scribe [?\]: c10 split white but leaves black a little heavy
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[GMF [10k?\]: D12 
playm8 [5k?\]: nobi
GMF [10k?\]: yo
]
;B[fj]CR[fj]TR[ch][dh])
(;B[dk]CR[dk]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[bk]CR[bk]TR[ej][ek]SQ[dj][dk][cl][dl]C[Scribe [?\]: c11 splits white but strengthens the upper white (c12) stone
GMF [10k?\]: triangles
Thoravatar [7k\]: +
])
(;B[fj]CR[fj]C[zazie [-\]: no !
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Worthless [-\]: Nope.
Scribe [?\]: does f10 cut?
hatebiotec [4k?\]: can
]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [?\]: NO!
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Worthless [-\]: Very common.
GMF [10k?\]: ah
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
GMF [10k?\]: yeah
Uvas [-\]: p6
]
(;W[on]CR[on]C[Restore [12k\]: p6
go [8k?\]: kosumi
agui [7k\]: P6
GMF [10k?\]: P6 
])
(;W[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [?\]: applying these cutting techniques to a joseki situation
GMF [10k?\]: attakces both stone 
zazie [-\]: yep
Restore [12k\]: yeah
Worthless [-\]: P6 S5 and R3 are correct.
]
;B[qo]CR[qo])
(;W[ro]CR[ro]C[Scribe [?\]: o5 is just a mistake
zazie [-\]: yep
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[on]CR[on])
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [?\]: p6 or s5 are josekii
Uvas [-\]: is ok if b has bottom left?
]))
(;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Scribe [?\]: SO, why not use c8 to split
agui [7k\]: There is no corner !
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]TR[cn][co][cp][cq][cr][cs]C[GMF [10k?\]: okay
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: Yes
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Scribe [?\]: c8 needlessly strengthens whites lower stones (d8) helping white to create territry
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[Worthless [-\]: Yes.
GMF [10k?\]: white needs a base .. sabaki
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[or]CR[or]C[Restore [12k\]: yes
zazie [-\]: ok
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
])))
(;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[MrBlack [11k\]: o10
Restore [12k\]: r12
go [8k?\]: P11 
Thoravatar [7k\]: r14
Zanthia [20k?\]: p13
Stav [8k?\]: R12, P12
Klops [12k\]: r12
hansb [3k\]: P11
goglu [-\]: P11
mmm1 [?\]: p11
handtalk [8k\]: o14
Worthless [-\]: P12 
Scribe [?\]: White invades.  How should Black handle this invasion
GMF [10k?\]: P13 ?!
pepermite [8k\]: p13
Fatality [12k?\]: P13
Dartagnate [16k\]: Q18 
seidelin [9k\]: p17
zazie [-\]: P11
cemo [?\]: p12
agui [7k\]: P13
Worthless [-\]: This happens often, and most of us hate it.
Dartagnate [16k\]: avoid touching the stone
Stav [8k?\]: ok!
Worthless [-\]: P12 and R12 are scary and wrong.
NEWS [10k\]: OK
Scribe [?\]: Both r12 and p12 are moves due to fear....both are very wrong
Restore [12k\]: ok
Dartagnate [16k\]: S13 Q18 S11 maybe
GMF [10k?\]: P13 
smudge [13k\]: black!
NEWS [10k\]: B
Dartagnate [16k\]: black
Uvas [-\]: b
Restore [12k\]: black
Bodo212 [14k\]: B
edlee [11k\]: "Who is stronger here? B or W? "
Scribe [?\]: Who is stronger here? Black or White?
Scribe [?\]: Clearly Black is stonger
GMF [10k?\]: attack the whote stone with P13 ?!
Worthless [-\]: Corner.
cemo [?\]: up
MrBlack [11k\]: corner
Dartagnate [16k\]: Q14 
zazie [-\]: the corner
hatebiotec [4k?\]: i can't hear
craig [10k\]: corner
Bodo212 [14k\]: corne
Thoravatar [7k\]: corner is weak
Restore [12k\]: corner
pepermite [8k\]: q10 is stronger
Dartagnate [16k\]: we can hear you
playm8 [5k?\]: corner is surrounded, but Q10 can escape more easily
hansb [3k\]: loud and clear
rakdver [19k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: hear you
moichido [14k\]: yes loud andclear
ligo [8k\]: sound is ok
dedain [10k\]: hatebiotec: you may try to leave and rejoin
Scribe [?\]: First determine who is stronger, then determine which side is stronger? corner or q10?   Corner is stronger.
playm8 [5k?\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: First corner has two stones and can make eyes easily
smudge [13k\]: yexz
Uvas [-\]: yup
agui [7k\]: ok
Restore [12k\]: yes
playm8 [5k?\]: agreed
Dartagnate [16k\]: yes
gocabj [22k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
Klops [12k\]: ok
GMF [10k?\]: P11  tehn
NEWS [10k\]: yup
craig [10k\]: new to me
Worthless [-\]: Agreed.
Scribe [?\]: Attack from weak side towards the strong side
go [8k?\]: P11 
Bodo212 [14k\]: p 11
GMF [10k?\]: P11 P11 P11 P11 P11 P11 P11 P11 
goglu [-\]: P11
agui [7k\]: P11
Peitolm [23k\]: r11?
nrgdw [5k\]: p11
Uvas [-\]: r11
Restore [12k\]: p11
Worthless [-\]: Not R12 or P12 
ZeroKun [-\]: i am less afraid of this now ;)
spingle [9k\]: r13 bad?
Scribe [?\]: Other possible moves include o10 and q 18
Bodo212 [14k\]: no
nrgdw [5k\]: I´ll never play that again!!!
spingle [9k\]: sorry r11 bad?
playm8 [5k?\]: when should white invade there?
Worthless [-\]: Understood.
dedain [10k\]: what about r11 instead of p11?
agui [7k\]: What about white R12 ?
mmm1 [?\]: in the correct attack can w live in the corner after b n17?
go [8k?\]: O14 possible ?
handtalk [8k\]: o14 possible
Grimley [9k\]: what should white do if black plays p11?
Scribe [?\]: o14 is possible, but not as severe as p11
Stav [8k?\]: ok ^ ^
]
(;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [?\]: r12 horrible move
Worthless [-\]: Follow the idea to understand. To know what you are doing.
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
dedain [10k\]: ehm shoesalesmen do
gocabj [22k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Restore [12k\]: there is proverb: ponnuki shape is worth 30 points
Worthless [-\]: :)
][Scribe [?\]: r12 horrible move
Worthless [-\]: Follow the idea to understand. To know what you are doing.
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
dedain [10k\]: ehm shoesalesmen do
gocabj [22k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
][Scribe [?\]: r12 horrible move
Worthless [-\]: Follow the idea to understand. To know what you are doing.
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
dedain [10k\]: ehm shoesalesmen do
gocabj [22k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
][Scribe [?\]: r12 horrible move
Worthless [-\]: Follow the idea to understand. To know what you are doing.
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
dedain [10k\]: ehm shoesalesmen do
gocabj [22k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
][Scribe [?\]: r12 horrible move
Worthless [-\]: Follow the idea to understand. To know what you are doing.
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
dedain [10k\]: ehm shoesalesmen do
gocabj [22k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
][Scribe [?\]: r12 horrible move
Worthless [-\]: Follow the idea to understand. To know what you are doing.
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
dedain [10k\]: ehm shoesalesmen do
gocabj [22k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Klops [12k\]: yes
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[pi]CR[pi]TR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: black 10 has been damaged
Worthless [-\]: Weak
Scribe [?\]: very badly
])
(;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Worthless [-\]: In the end both shops close down.
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Uvas [-\]: ouch
Bardock [4k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: Corner is not happy. One brother is happy, other is bankrupt.
goglu [-\]: family feud
]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[ng]CR[ng]C[Scribe [?\]: now q14 is very badly damanged
gocabj [22k\]: yes
FlowerKing [7k\]: yupp
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yup
smudge [13k\]: yes
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes, very clear
Zanthia [20k?\]: yes
Klops [12k\]: yes
]))
(;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[qi]CR[qi])
(;B[oi]CR[oi]C[Worthless [-\]: O11 
Scribe [?\]: Therefore Black should play p11
Klops [12k\]: r11
Uvas [-\]: heh
Scribe [?\]: Perfect!
Bodo212 [14k\]: haha
GMF [10k?\]: ^^
nrgdw [5k\]: lol
agui [7k\]: :)
gocabj [22k\]: haha!
halo5 [13k\]: hehe
Uvas [-\]: now what for w?
NEWS [10k\]: yes
moichido [14k\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: Black has connected, but white gets very strong shape in the center as are result of p12
]
;W[oh]TR[oh][oi]C[GMF [10k?\]: white must nobi
dedain [10k\]: Bo12
GMF [10k?\]: hane for black?!
Scribe [?\]: White must try to escape
hansb [3k\]: O12
go [8k?\]: idea is great, but to play it is another matter
Restore [12k\]: hane
GMF [10k?\]: ah
NEWS [10k\]: O12?
dedain [10k\]: hane at the head of 2 stones
Uvas [-\]: hane
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[hatebiotec [4k?\]: p13 better
MrBlack [11k\]: o11
Bardock [4k\]: keep walking
GMF [10k?\]: walk forward
GMF [10k?\]: but what is better
MrBlack [11k\]: o13
go [8k?\]: what can make an empty triangle ?
]
(;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[Scribe [?\]: Black must hane at the head of two white stones
Worthless [-\]: Because B is not afraid of the cut.
MrBlack [11k\]: if W o13?
agui [7k\]: ok, nice
Klops [12k\]: good
GMF [10k?\]: ok
franzush [12k\]: is w already dead?
])
(;W[og]CR[og]C[GMF [10k?\]: keep walking or hane?!
Uvas [-\]: yuck
NEWS [10k\]: O16?
hatebiotec [4k?\]: is w p13 better than p12
Worthless [-\]: Funny
]
(;B[mf]CR[mf]C[hatebiotec [4k?\]: ?
goglu [-\]: O17 next
dedain [10k\]: o15
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]TR[nc]C[GMF [10k?\]: what?!
Bodo212 [14k\]: nice
nrgdw [5k\]: again!
Dartagnate [16k\]: keep em seperated
Scribe [?\]: Use leaning attack on o17 to build power before continuing attack on white (p13)
smudge [13k\]: to kill the west, start from the east
agui [7k\]: yes ,clear
GMF [10k?\]: lol.. funny names. ^^
dedain [10k\]: 'feint to the east, attack to the west'
Bardock [4k\]: oh
go [8k?\]: w can still live in the corner ?
]
(;W[md]CR[md]C[gocabj [22k\]: yeas, clear
agui [7k\]: yes
]
;B[me]CR[me]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: right
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Worthless [-\]: Yes.
GMF [10k?\]: yes
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Dartagnate [16k\]: aye
NEWS [10k\]: @@"
Scribe [?\]: now the three white stones are dead
nrgdw [5k\]: yeep
Restore [12k\]: yeah
Worthless [-\]: Clear.
nrgdw [5k\]: grat
nrgdw [5k\]: great
nrgdw [5k\]: nice story!!!
Worthless [-\]: Make a lot of noise in the east, and attack the west
gocabj [22k\]: haha
Worthless [-\]: Nice strategy ;)
dedain [10k\]: (interesting book: "the thirty-six stratagems applied to go" by Ma Xiaochun)
edlee [11k\]: (The idea is to distract the enemy on the east, then attack the west side.)
])
(;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[gocabj [22k\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: The leaning attack must have severe result if white ignores it.
Restore [12k\]: exchange
scsiduck [29k?\]: haha
gocabj [22k\]: lol
Bodo212 [14k\]: nice
]))))
(;B[og]CR[og]C[Worthless [-\]: Weakens Q10 
]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[Scribe [?\]: wrong direction of attack
]
;W[oi]CR[oi])
(;B[nj]CR[nj])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Dartagnate [16k\]: =)
])
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Bellicose [13k\]: question ...is there a good move for white after BP11
spingle [9k\]: ahh yeah ok. thanks 
]
;W[qh]CR[qh])
(;B[nf]CR[nf])
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Dartagnate [16k\]: after P11 B, can white do anything to save the stone?
agui [7k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: ye
gocabj [22k\]: yes
])))