(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2004-12-19]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AW[nc][jd]AB[pd][pf][pj]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
Restore [12k\]: ok
halo5 [13k\]: hello
Uvas [-\]: hi
BEheMOt [24k?\]: hi
Restore [12k\]: yes
halo5 [13k\]: yes
rakdver [19k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: yes
moichido [14k\]: yes
handtalk [8k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yup
scsiduck [29k?\]: good
Uvas [-\]: yea
gocabj [22k\]: yes
BEheMOt [24k?\]: we can hear you
smuin [?\]: Sound ok
Isobeutel [16k?\]: loud and clear ^^
spingle [9k\]: yesh ... can you see us?
]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[ph]CR[ph]TR[pd][pf][pj]C[hatebiotec [4k?\]: if anyone didn't hear just out and back again the hearing should be restored
playm8 [5k?\]: p11
Restore [12k\]: p11
gocabj [22k\]: p11
Zinc [18k?\]: p11
Bodo212 [14k\]: p 11
moichido [14k\]: p11
dedain [10k\]: p11
Grimley [9k\]: make noise in the northeast, attack in the east
halo5 [13k\]: ah yes
Scribe [?\]: what are the conditions that make p11 work?  black must be stronger than white, and q10 must be weaker than q14/16
scsiduck [29k?\]: r12
kkv [13k\]: p13 ?
Bodo212 [14k\]: r 12
NEWS [10k\]: R12
Zinc [18k?\]: r12
Worthless [-\]: R12 P12 
gocabj [22k\]: r12, p12
BEheMOt [24k?\]: r12
Restore [12k\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
Worthless [-\]: Yes
go [8k?\]: Is Q12 a good move ?
NEWS [10k\]: yes
gocabj [22k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: yup
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
go [8k?\]: thx
]
(;B[oi]CR[oi]C[Scribe [?\]: p11 is the move severe attack
Uvas [-\]: p11!
Restore [12k\]: push from weak side to strong side
handtalk [8k\]: attack from weak side
Uvas [-\]: weak side
NEWS [10k\]: push towards the strong side?
scsiduck [29k?\]: make some noise in the east
seidelin [9k\]: attack from weak side
gocabj [22k\]: make noise
halo5 [13k\]: make noise in the east, attack at the west
atman [4k\]: drive opponent from weak to strong side
gocabj [22k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: The East-West theory comes later :)
])
(;B[qh]CR[qh])
(;B[oh]CR[oh]C[playm8 [5k?\]: yes
Stav [8k?\]: what i said :D
handtalk [8k\]: 2 brothers
Worthless [-\]: Scared.
NEWS [10k\]: the brothers?
gocabj [22k\]: too scared
kkv [13k\]: attaching to weak stone
playm8 [5k?\]: both groups are fighting for same area
Uvas [-\]: dont touch
Bodo212 [14k\]: working the same way
Vera [?\]: 2 scared brothers
Scribe [?\]: any r, s, t, 11, 12, 13 moves are bad moves, the two groups are fighting for the same area
Restore [12k\]: which groups are fighitng for which area?
])
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[cn]CR[cn]TR[aa]C[Worthless [-\]: Hi mingjiu.
]
;AE[aa]AW[dd]C[jbb [17k\]: hello together, it must be Christmas
]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[dj]LB[dj:3][cn:1][fp:2]C[mingjiu [7p\]: hi
gonowhere [6k\]: Mingjiu after you
gocabj [22k\]: lol
gonowhere [6k\]: Guojuan first
mingjiu [7p\]: after you
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
handtalk [8k\]: kobayashi?
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[playm8 [5k?\]: yes
BrunnenG [16k\]: yes
gocabj [22k\]: yes
]
(;W[bp]CR[bp]C[jbb [17k\]: sond is fine, java 1.5 may couse problems
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[spingle [9k\]: sound?
Worthless [-\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
]
(;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Worthless [-\]: Sound works
BrunnenG [16k\]: sound is good
kkv [13k\]: ya
Scribe [?\]: After this "simple" joseki in bottom left there are often many mistakes
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
Restore [12k\]: sound is ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: sound ok
tukan [20k\]: it is ok
halo5 [13k\]: sounds good
zee [5k?\]: can hear well
NEWS [10k\]: sound ok
Uvas [-\]: sound==solid
Thoravatar [7k\]: bad since a weaknes around c8
nrgdw [5k\]: lovely voice ;-)
Restore [12k\]: yes, this situation is very often
Grimley [9k\]: but dolby surround isnt working
Uvas [-\]: ouch
NEWS [10k\]: yup
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn])
(;B[cl]CR[cl]TR[cn][bp]C[Aristocles [12k\]: no audio
Scribe [?\]: this c8 punishes white;s tenuki
moichido [14k\]: what's up with that sound problems ?!
agui [7k\]: ok
Restore [12k\]: yeah, i've got some sound problems too.. but it is still hearable
kkv [13k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
nrgdw [5k\]: but B c8 has NO eye!?!
]
(;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[cp]CR[cp]C[playm8 [5k?\]: aristocles: restart your client
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[do]CR[do])
(;W[cj]CR[cj]C[Scribe [?\]: these two white stones b4 and c6 become very heavy can make one eye
Aristocles [12k\]: thx playm8
]
;B[dm]CR[dm])
(;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[Restore [12k\]: so, one mistake is b4
]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[ch]CR[ch]TR[el])))
(;W[en]CR[en]C[Scribe [?\]: white must not tenuki after black c3
hansb [3k\]: E5?
Grimley [9k\]: e6
Restore [12k\]: ok
]))
(;W[pp]CR[pp]TR[dd][ce][cf][cg][ch][ci][dj][ck][cl][cm][cn]C[playm8 [5k?\]: np
Scribe [?\]: if white outside very strong, jump out at e6
Restore [12k\]: upper left?
playm8 [5k?\]: center
Worthless [-\]: Center
Scribe [?\]: more space to make two eyes, also major white potential area
]
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [?\]: white descent at c10 works well with upper left making black take comparatively small profit
]
(;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Worthless [-\]: MSN :D
NEWS [10k\]: msn :)
BEheMOt [24k?\]: msn^^
fojwahdah [?\]: unfortuantely wrong
fojwahdah [?\]: im guessing tonight there are gremlins
Worthless [-\]: Lazy move :)
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[bp]CR[bp]C[Scribe [?\]: without white b4, black c3, white can still invade the corner
]
;B[bo]CR[bo]C[halo5 [13k\]: san-san is lazy?
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[er]CR[er]TR[cn]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[swilks [6k\]: what about starting with e6
Stav [8k?\]: because it avoids fighting
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]C[halo5 [13k\]: i see
])
(;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[dk]CR[dk])
(;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[dl]CR[dl]TR[cj])
(;W[en]CR[en]))
(;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: c14 rather than c8 is the correct invasion for black
Restore [12k\]: ok, black attack is more severe now
kkv [13k\]: makes sense :)
Bardock [4k\]: ok
])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
(;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
(;W[en]CR[en])
(;W[dl]CR[dl])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [?\]: white d8 solid
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]))
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[gonowhere [6k\]: thx
fojwahdah [?\]: c3 doesnt seem good to me
halo5 [13k\]: thank you guojuan!
playm8 [5k?\]: thx
Bardock [4k\]: thx
Stav [8k?\]: thanks!
gocabj [22k\]: thank you!
atman [4k\]: thank you
Vera [?\]: thx
au2 [2k\]: thanks
scsiduck [29k?\]: thank you
Aristocles [12k\]: bye thx
rakdver [19k\]: thanks
Worthless [-\]: Thank you!
swissgo [12k\]: thanks
kkv [13k\]: thanks
tiger1 [8k\]: thx
Bellicose [13k\]: thank you 
Restore [12k\]: thanks guojuan
Out [?\]: Thank you laoshi
moichido [14k\]: thx for everything
zee [5k?\]: thanks for a great lesson
NEWS [10k\]: thank you!
Zinc [18k?\]: thx 
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much !
gocabj [22k\]: see you!
BEheMOt [24k?\]: thans
pepermite [8k\]: thx guojuan
tukan [20k\]: thank you
playm8 [5k?\]: cya
vantoch [16k\]: thx 
])))))