(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2004-12-19]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playm8 [5k?\]: hi
zazie [-\]: hi again
NEWS [10k\]: hi
spingle [9k\]: hallo
go [8k?\]: hi
Muchacho [9k\]: hi
hatebiotec [4k?\]: hi
BrunnenG [16k\]: hi
Zanthia [20k?\]: hi
Dartagnate [16k\]: hi hi^^
Uvas [-\]: hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hi
agui [7k\]: Hello 
rakdver [19k\]: hi
GMF [10k?\]: hello
Worthless [-\]: Hello again :)
NEWS [10k\]: yup
agui [7k\]: yes
pepermite [8k\]: ok
zazie [-\]: yep
mingyaod [12k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Nihao Laoshi!
Scribe [?\]: at g3
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[GMF [10k?\]: what player?!
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Muchacho [9k\]: 4d
]
;W[cp]CR[cp]C[edlee [11k\]: This game is between two 4d players.
agui [7k\]: yes , very clear !
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[GMF [10k?\]: ah ok
agui [7k\]: too loose
goglu [-\]: pincer better ?
swilks [6k\]: why not pinch
zazie [-\]: it's strange
NEWS [10k\]: looks wierd
zazie [-\]: yes prefer pincer
Bodo212 [14k\]: why?
GMF [10k?\]: 00
playm8 [5k?\]: cool
playm8 [5k?\]: ok, now i understand :)
]
(;W[pm]CR[pm]LB[qj:A]C[go [8k?\]: amateur ?
spingle [9k\]: did w miss a chance at the bottom?
au2 [2k\]: looks fast
Scribe [?\]: This white move (q7) should be pincer or closer (q5, q6)
Worthless [-\]: Q5 and Q6 are common. 
Scribe [?\]: no pressure on black 3
GMF [10k?\]: c = bad shape ?!
playm8 [5k?\]: thx
]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[golawyer [?\]: hello  coach
Worthless [-\]: Two amateur 4d  players.
Scribe [?\]: this is too normal for black to play n5 after q7.  n5 is slow move
]
(;W[qj]CR[qj]TR[pm]C[NEWS [10k\]: bad move?
Stav [8k?\]: bad too :-)
Scribe [?\]: white r10 is bad move
agui [7k\]: bas also
dedain [10k\]: why is this bad shape?
hansb [3k\]: what can black do?
Worthless [-\]: Slow.
NEWS [10k\]: Q3?
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[playm8 [5k?\]: can you also show how to punish these bad moves?
]
;W[gq]CR[gq]C[GMF [10k?\]: K3 
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]C[zazie [-\]: it's very calm :)
nicegame [8k\]: pushing from behind
Uvas [-\]: k3?
seidelin [9k\]: c7
li92093 [5k\]: k3
spingle [9k\]: do you have teh right tool selected?
]
(;W[go]CR[go]TR[mp][oq]C[handtalk [8k\]: joseki
agui [7k\]: G3 wrong
GMF [10k?\]: K3 better?!
hansb [3k\]: no good
GMF [10k?\]: K3 
GMF [10k?\]: for white?!
Thoravatar [7k\]: is it good for white to pincer?
Restore [12k\]: white does not want black to go upper?
NEWS [10k\]: when white has something at the bottom?
handtalk [8k\]: white right corner
hansb [3k\]: no moyo 
Restore [12k\]: c4 is getting weak?
agui [7k\]: G3 G5 would become heavy
]
;B[gn]CR[gn]C[goglu [-\]: Is G3 a good move for white earlier ?
Scribe [?\]: White g5 only when white stones in the lower right and bottom
]
;W[ho]CR[ho]TR[mp][oq]C[GMF [10k?\]: g3 move can be good
Scribe [?\]: in this game bottom is not developable for white
agui [7k\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: Loooong story :)
]
;B[co]CR[co]C[hansb [3k\]: wrong
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[eo]CR[eo]C[zazie [-\]: not now... :)
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[Worthless [-\]: Sssh...
GMF [10k?\]: black very thick on the outside
atman [4k\]: this is strange result
]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[he]CR[he]C[au2 [2k\]: was that correct joseki ?
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]C[go [8k?\]: R10 looks a bit too close
]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[NEWS [10k\]: is black dangerous at the bottom?
]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[hansb [3k\]: mmmm
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[ligo [8k\]: good for w
dedain [10k\]: bad for white
hatebiotec [4k?\]: b
Uvas [-\]: good for b
seidelin [9k\]: black
Scribe [?\]: Good for Black
Dartagnate [16k\]: B
Restore [12k\]: black is ahead
agui [7k\]: good for white
Bardock [4k\]: black
goglu [-\]: I like black
Bodo212 [14k\]: good for B
Stav [8k?\]: good for white or for black??
dedain [10k\]: top is good for black, bottom is good for white
scsiduck [29k?\]: black is beautiful
go [8k?\]: dunno
hatebiotec [4k?\]: b have more
NEWS [10k\]: white?
Worthless [-\]: None.
])
(;W[dq]CR[dq]C[DrGoPlayer [6k\]: close and reopen
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]C[NEWS [10k\]: does this mean F5 is good?
Scribe [?\]: white should play d3
]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[agui [7k\]: yes
rakdver [19k\]: yes
Bardock [4k\]: yes
handtalk [8k\]: yes
hansb [3k\]: hi
zee [5k?\]: y
Uvas [-\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: yes we can hear you
guojuan [5p\]: yes
gocabj [22k\]: yes
spingle [9k\]: yeah
Restore [12k\]: yes
playm8 [5k?\]: yes
Zanthia [20k?\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
NEWS [10k\]: yes
spingle [9k\]: hello
guojuan [5p\]: yes
Bellicose [13k\]: yes
golawyer [?\]: yes coach
pepermite [8k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
BEheMOt [24k?\]: yes
swilks [6k\]: yes.  i can hear
ligo [8k\]: hi
Restore [12k\]: we can hear you
smuin [?\]: yes
Bellicose [13k\]: lol
swissgo [12k\]: yes
Dartagnate [16k\]: of course
ppqq [12k?\]: yes
Vera [?\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: clear
swilks [6k\]: can hear
planar [7k?\]: can you read us?
NEWS [10k\]: we can hear you
Worthless [-\]: Everyone.
Dartagnate [16k\]: CAN YOU READ THIS
mingyaod [12k\]: yea
Uvas [-\]: heh
golawyer [?\]:  i hear you coach
swilks [6k\]: yes
Orphan [?\]: yes
NEWS [10k\]: yes
smudge [13k\]: yes
handtalk [8k\]: yes
BrunnenG [16k\]: yes sound is ok
smuin [?\]: I hear
Aristocles [12k\]: yes
Balladeer [3d\]: we hear it
Bellicose [13k\]: YES
Worthless [-\]: Dartagnate, no need to yell :P
Uvas [-\]: doh
Balladeer [3d\]: looks like he couldnt see us :P
Worthless [-\]: Hm??
gonowhere [6k\]: Phone call
NEWS [10k\]: yup
guojuan [5p\]: he lost his connextion\\
spingle [9k\]: sounds like his connection is gone ;/
Stav [8k?\]: maybe he scrolled the chat up ^ ^
Worthless [-\]: Did he censor us all?
BrunnenG [16k\]: lol
playm8 [5k?\]: lol stav :)
Dartagnate [16k\]: heh
BEheMOt [24k?\]: lol
guojuan [5p\]: I ask him to get in again
Uvas [-\]: now we will never learn the fate of g3 :(
Stav [8k?\]: g3 will die
Isobeutel [16k?\]: lol
Stav [8k?\]: are you happy now?
Uvas [-\]: noooo!!
BEheMOt [24k?\]: lol
Restore [12k\]: g3 connected do d3 and they lived long and happy ;)
Uvas [-\]: whew
playm8 [5k?\]: it's a sad story, but G3 sacrificed himself for the greater good ^^
goglu [-\]: G3 dies but white gains forcing moves
guojuan [5p\]: it looks difficult for him to get in again
Worthless [-\]: Stav, g3 will never die! :P
guojuan [5p\]: so I will continue ok?
Uvas [-\]: ok
gocabj [22k\]: ok
Restore [12k\]: ok
playm8 [5k?\]: ok :)
Scribe [?\]: ok
BEheMOt [24k?\]: k
Worthless [-\]: Ok.
Bellicose [13k\]: have you never seen the monument built in memory of G3
agui [7k\]: ok
spingle [9k\]: ok ;)
Uvas [-\]: here?
guojuan [5p\]: we get out here first
Scribe [?\]: G3 grows up to by a Mac G5
agui [7k\]: ok
NEWS [10k\]: ok
Uvas [-\]: ok
Bellicose [13k\]: then the G must stand for gay 
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]C[Worthless [-\]: Ah...
Scribe [?\]: hard for black to control single white stone
Scribe [?\]: at g3
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[Scribe [?\]: white takes corner and leaves aji on the bottom
]))
(;W[qf]CR[qf]LB[qj:A]C[Stav [8k?\]: oh
Scribe [?\]: after q7 white must go all the way to r14
Worthless [-\]: Ah.
atman [4k\]: ha!
])
(;LB[pp:C][qq:A][rq:B][qr:D]TR[qj]C[Scribe [?\]: black can live in corner easy with r3 after white q7, therefore n4 bad
]))
(;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[oo]LB[pn:A][oo:B][qo:C]TR[pm]C[hansb [3k\]: why sente?
agui [7k\]: yes
Bardock [4k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: black p5 is sente white must respond on right side, punishment for playiung q7 in place of q6
Bodo212 [14k\]: aha
GMF [10k?\]: yes.. the connection is more solid if white is on a
])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]))
(;W[po]CR[po]C[Worthless [-\]: M3 
NEWS [10k\]: M3?
]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[dedain [10k\]: yes
Bardock [4k\]: yes
Restore [12k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: Clear.
NEWS [10k\]: yes
gocabj [22k\]: yes
])
(;B[lq]CR[lq])
(;B[kq]CR[kq]))
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[atman [4k\]: aims at kakari in upper right?
Balladeer [3d\]: M4 
]
(;B[kq]CR[kq]C[Uvas [-\]: m4
])
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[Balladeer [3d\]: :)
])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [?\]: white q5 threatens to press black low on bottom, black must respond
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[Worthless [-\]: 3 ways for Black to play after White Q5; N4 M3 L3 
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]LB[pm:C][pn:B][po:A]C[swilks [6k\]: q5
go [8k?\]: Q6 
GMF [10k?\]: Q7 
hansb [3k\]: Q6
Worthless [-\]: Q5
au2 [2k\]: Q6
dedain [10k\]: wq7
agui [7k\]: q6
zazie [-\]: Q5
Scribe [?\]: q5 or q6 to make good shape
Worthless [-\]: A or B make snice shape.
]))