(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2004-12-26]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[NEWS [10k\]: hi
Moax [-\]: hi
rakdver [18k\]: hi
Lilltiger [15k\]: hi
handtalk [8k\]: hi
grassinger [15k\]: hi
moichido [14k\]: hi
Darkheart [12k\]: yoo
torenaar [?\]: hi
zee [5k?\]: hello
Schlumpf [?\]: Hi
Jenny12yrs [16k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Nihao!
Zanthia [?\]: hi
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: hi
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: Sanrensei: moyo game
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
(;B[jp]CR[jp]C[Scribe [?\]: black has many choices
drake [4k?\]: o15
agui [7k\]: k16
moh [9k\]: r3?
evilgo [3k\]: r3.. r6?
au2 [2k\]: Q14
handtalk [8k\]: k16
ChoK [12k?\]: Q14
xMe [6k\]: r 14
Scribe [?\]: very hard question to ask where should white play now.
Lilltiger [15k\]: t1 is all time best move :)
evilgo [3k\]: is r3 premature?
Scribe [?\]: white is being pincered already, the right side is strong for black
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc])
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[DnF [8k\]: can white K16?
handtalk [8k\]: figure skating
Scribe [?\]: ming jiu likes this sequence
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Tweenie [?\]: could white play D10 ?
evilgo [3k\]: is r3 a better move for black?
]
(;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pq]CR[pq])
(;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[ng]CR[ng]))
(;W[dj]CR[dj])
(;W[jd]CR[jd]C[quelquun [8k\]: or
Scribe [?\]: also possible
quelquun [8k\]: j17?
])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]TR[pd][pj][pp]C[Scribe [?\]: must not play r14
xMe [6k\]: ok
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[Scribe [?\]: splits white
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[np]CR[np]
(;W[ql]CR[ql])
(;W[pl]CR[pl])
(;W[qk]CR[qk])
(;W[rj]CR[rj]C[Tweenie [?\]: R10
evilgo [3k\]: r10
Grimley [9k\]: r10
Scribe [?\]: how should black answer?
flOvermind [?\]: r8
zee [5k?\]: r10
quelquun [8k\]: q8?
agui [7k\]: R9
Ambivlnce [14k\]: r8
rakdver [18k\]: r9
]))
(;W[jj]CR[jj]C[agui [7k\]: no
xMe [6k\]: no
moh [9k\]: no
au2 [2k\]: interesting
drake [4k?\]: strange
zee [5k?\]: ok
evilgo [3k\]: yeah
Moax [-\]: wow
moichido [14k\]: nah
DeSade [-\]: bold
playm8 [5k?\]: fun
atman [4k\]: shin fuseki mov
Fatality [13k?\]: too early and maybe too passive
flogo [2k\]: takemiya game ? (-:
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Scribe [?\]: game between two 4 dan players
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qq]CR[qq]TR[jj]C[Scribe [?\]: black played in wrong direction in lower right
Scribe [?\]: black must get sente
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[Tweenie [?\]: he means K10 is well-positioned now
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]TR[jj]C[Scribe [?\]: gote will allow white to make k10 a good move
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[or]CR[or]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[au2 [2k\]: to easy for w K10 to finish on the wrong spot
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qn]CR[qn]TR[jj][pp][qp][mq][nq][oq]C[NEWS [10k\]: good
NEWS [10k\]: ?
zee [5k?\]: no
Tweenie [?\]: no
Fatality [13k?\]: good move
Moax [-\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
moichido [14k\]: no
Scribe [?\]: now k10 is a good move
Scribe [?\]: opens blacks moyo
evilgo [3k\]: of course, 016
Koreangrl8 [20k\]: w has small house.
Tweenie [?\]: D10
agui [7k\]: n10
moichido [14k\]: o7
ZalforR [7k\]: r121
au2 [2k\]: C10
zee [5k?\]: n10
rubberduck [6k?\]: N10
xMe [6k\]: n 15
ZalforR [7k\]: r12
flOvermind [?\]: o4?
hansb [3k\]: K16
quelquun [8k\]: n16?
au2 [2k\]: maybe D10
Charisma18 [9k\]: k17
mmm1 [?\]: k17
Aristocles [12k\]: n15
agui [7k\]: now
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pf]TR[pf][qf]C[Scribe [?\]: good for white, k10 works well now
]
;B[od]CR[od]LB[mc:A][qf:B]C[Scribe [?\]: white r14 is wrong
Scribe [?\]: creates problem at n17 and must try to live on right side
Scribe [?\]: white is too busy
agui [7k\]: would N10 be good ?
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[Scribe [?\]: r14 too early
zee [5k?\]: r10
ZalforR [7k\]: r12?
Scribe [?\]: how can black punish white s10?
ZalforR [7k\]: r12?
Tweenie [?\]: R10
Woodstock [-\]: S12?
ZalforR [7k\]: r12!
agui [7k\]: r12 ?
hansb [3k\]: R11, S12
]
(;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ri]CR[ri]TR[rj]C[Scribe [?\]: black r12 is a MUST playu
]
(;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [?\]: r11 correct for black
ZalforR [7k\]: p
agui [7k\]: S12
ZalforR [7k\]: o
Charisma18 [9k\]: s12
]
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[re]CR[re]C[ZalforR [7k\]: why not r12 first?
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [?\]: also good for white, not as good as black r12....WRONG STATEMENT
]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
(;B[oj]CR[oj]TR[sh][si]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]C[Woodstock [-\]: no good for b
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [?\]: wrong way for black to play
]
;W[mo]CR[mo]LB[pi:A]TR[sh][si][om]C[Scribe [?\]: white has one eye at p7 
Scribe [?\]: half eye at t11, t12
ZalforR [7k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: no
Scribe [?\]: big problem for black at A
Scribe [?\]: very hard for black to kill white
Scribe [?\]: so where is plack territory ?  all gone
])
(;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [?\]: easy for white to run out
]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[ol]CR[ol])
(;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[Scribe [?\]: white lives
]))
(;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Scribe [?\]: still hane!
]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [?\]: also good for black!!
]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[pl]CR[pl]C[Charisma18 [9k\]: hane to the bee
Scribe [?\]:  must split white
]
;B[nj]CR[nj]TR[pf][qf][qg]C[Scribe [?\]: also good for white, not as good as black r12
])
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[og]CR[og]TR[sf][sh])))
(;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [?\]: split white
Scribe [?\]: s12 is most severe
]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [?\]: but black r12 is an error
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[atman [4k\]: ouch
Scribe [?\]: black must hane at s12
])
(;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[sh]CR[sh]C[hansb [3k\]: yes
]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[Scribe [?\]: white has no eyes
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[rl]CR[rl]C[MadFerret [?\]: no eyes
])))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Charisma18 [9k\]: s11!!!!!1
]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[atman [4k\]: s13?
zee [5k?\]: yes
Tweenie [?\]: maybe not
MadFerret [?\]: s12
Scribe [?\]: white is easy
Scribe [?\]: black territory small
Scribe [?\]: white lives easy
])
(;B[rk]CR[rk]C[MadFerret [?\]: no
ZalforR [7k\]: lol
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[agui [7k\]: no
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[atman [4k\]: worse
]
;W[pi]CR[pi]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [?\]: easy for white
]))
(;W[dj]CR[dj]TR[jj]C[Scribe [?\]: big play for white
Moax [-\]: =)
Scribe [?\]: now k10 is a good move
Scribe [?\]: n10 not a good move for white
agui [7k\]: ok , undestood , Thanks
Scribe [?\]: if you moyo is smaller, then invade
handtalk [8k\]: thank you
Zanthia [?\]: thank you
Aristocles [12k\]: good
Bardock [4k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: yes please
xMe [6k\]: ok
Moax [-\]: ok
moichido [14k\]: yes
Charisma18 [9k\]: yay!
]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[jk]CR[jk]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[il]CR[il]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[kj]CR[kj]C[Scribe [?\]: better to make a moyo bigger than your opponents moyo than to destroy his moyo
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
])
(;W[jd]CR[jd])
(;W[mj]CR[mj]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]))
(;B[nr]CR[nr]
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]C[Scribe [?\]: double hane allows black to take sente
Scribe [?\]: NOW
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
(;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[mo]CR[mo])
(;W[dn]CR[dn]
(;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[gm]CR[gm])))
(;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
(;B[op]CR[op]LB[qj:A]TR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: black must connect at p4
Scribe [?\]: if q10 at r10, white can not play this joseki
]
;W[rn]CR[rn]C[Scribe [?\]: white k10 is inefficient
]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[so]CR[so]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[ql]CR[ql]TR[jj]C[Woodstock [-\]: maybe O3 instead of P3?
Scribe [?\]: again black gets sente
])
(;B[po]CR[po]TR[pj][qj])))))
(;B[lc]CR[lc])
(;B[pf]CR[pf])
(;B[oe]CR[oe])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]))
(;W[nq]CR[nq])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [?\]: wrong direction for white
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Scribe [?\]: too early to invade
]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd])
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[atman [4k\]: :-)
MadFerret [?\]: hi
FlowerKing [6k\]: haha
handtalk [8k\]: all
PaperTiger [4k?\]: K10
ZeroKun [-\]: not i :)
agui [7k\]: :)
NEWS [10k\]: :)
])
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[ZalforR [7k\]: ??
]
;B[]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[ZalforR [7k\]: hey, thats the problem on the front of my go book
DnF [8k\]: 4
monchacha [11k\]: 2
moichido [14k\]: 4
Bardock [4k\]: 4
handtalk [8k\]: 4
Moax [-\]: 4
agui [7k\]: 4
xMe [6k\]: 4
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[moichido [14k\]: still 4
coorslight [?\]: i don't get it
ZalforR [7k\]: attack?
coorslight [?\]: 4 what
Scribe [?\]: HOMEWORK how many different ways can white attack black
Aristocles [12k\]: ok thanks
ZalforR [7k\]: o
ZalforR [7k\]: 5
ZalforR [7k\]: erm
ZalforR [7k\]: 4
moichido [14k\]: it stays the same doesn't it ?
handtalk [8k\]: yes
xMe [6k\]: 4
DnF [8k\]: you have to read it out
agui [7k\]: yes, Thanks you very much
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
Bardock [4k\]: thx
])))