(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-01-02]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AW[db][eb][dc][fc][cd][ed][gd][ce][fe][qi][cm][pm][qn][po][dp][dq]AB[bc][cc][dd][od][qd][de][ee][cf][ef][dg][qo][ip][qp][fq][nq][pq]C[playm8 [5k?\]: yes
logik [12k?\]: yes
Celila [-\]: yes
Nesco [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: A hard one!
Scribe [?\]: please
XiaoLin [2k\]: he he I have on terribly hard, made it by combining few pro-level life&death problems
ndkrempel [7k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: White to play
rhubarb [8k\]: n17
goglu [-\]: N17
Wuschelein [3k\]: n17
kkv [12k\]: n17
hansb [3k?\]: N17
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: n17
Javaness [6k\]: N17 seems correct
zee [5k?\]: N17
EnliBikal [12k\]: N17 
au2 [2k\]: P11
avalange [?\]: n17
Zebigbos [17k?\]: n17
Grimley [8k\]: n17
DominikCZ [7k\]: n17
NEWS [10k\]: M17
mmm1 [?\]: n17
Ives08 [9k\]: n17
logik [12k?\]: isn't N17 too far?
brx [15k?\]: L16
spingle [9k\]: r13
playgo [4k\]: N17 
goglu [-\]: either N17 or R14
ReeZe [15k\]: c11
XiaoLin [2k\]: n16 maybe
Sanka [13k\]: k17
abbadan [?\]: E
Grimley [8k\]: lol
playgo [4k\]: C5 
Scribe [?\]: Open on the left side
avalange [?\]: c5
guojuan [5p\]: the door
ndkrempel [7k\]: what do you mean by door?
Ives08 [9k\]: c5
BrunnenG [16k?\]: D5
zee [5k?\]: C5
Javaness [6k\]: door to escape?
kimba [7k\]: d5
agui [7k\]: C5
EnliBikal [12k\]: C6 
kkv [12k\]: d5
zee [5k?\]: F4
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: door to attack it
Scribe [?\]: C5, D5 is the door of Black D3
Scribe [?\]: F3 is the back side of the stone
Grimley [8k\]: yes
kimba [7k\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
ReeZe [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
kimba [7k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: ok
][playm8 [5k?\]: yes
logik [12k?\]: yes
Celila [-\]: yes
Nesco [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: A hard one!
Scribe [?\]: please
XiaoLin [2k\]: he he I have on terribly hard, made it by combining few pro-level life&death problems
ndkrempel [7k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: White to play
rhubarb [8k\]: n17
goglu [-\]: N17
Wuschelein [3k\]: n17
kkv [12k\]: n17
hansb [3k?\]: N17
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: n17
Javaness [6k\]: N17 seems correct
zee [5k?\]: N17
EnliBikal [12k\]: N17 
au2 [2k\]: P11
avalange [?\]: n17
Zebigbos [17k?\]: n17
Grimley [8k\]: n17
DominikCZ [7k\]: n17
NEWS [10k\]: M17
mmm1 [?\]: n17
Ives08 [9k\]: n17
logik [12k?\]: isn't N17 too far?
brx [15k?\]: L16
spingle [9k\]: r13
playgo [4k\]: N17 
goglu [-\]: either N17 or R14
ReeZe [15k\]: c11
XiaoLin [2k\]: n16 maybe
Sanka [13k\]: k17
abbadan [?\]: E
Grimley [8k\]: lol
playgo [4k\]: C5 
Scribe [?\]: Open on the left side
avalange [?\]: c5
guojuan [5p\]: the door
ndkrempel [7k\]: what do you mean by door?
Ives08 [9k\]: c5
BrunnenG [16k?\]: D5
zee [5k?\]: C5
Javaness [6k\]: door to escape?
kimba [7k\]: d5
agui [7k\]: C5
EnliBikal [12k\]: C6 
kkv [12k\]: d5
zee [5k?\]: F4
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: door to attack it
Scribe [?\]: C5, D5 is the door of Black D3
Scribe [?\]: F3 is the back side of the stone
Grimley [8k\]: yes
][playm8 [5k?\]: yes
logik [12k?\]: yes
Celila [-\]: yes
Nesco [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: A hard one!
Scribe [?\]: please
XiaoLin [2k\]: he he I have on terribly hard, made it by combining few pro-level life&death problems
ndkrempel [7k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: White to play
rhubarb [8k\]: n17
goglu [-\]: N17
Wuschelein [3k\]: n17
kkv [12k\]: n17
hansb [3k?\]: N17
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: n17
Javaness [6k\]: N17 seems correct
zee [5k?\]: N17
EnliBikal [12k\]: N17 
au2 [2k\]: P11
avalange [?\]: n17
Zebigbos [17k?\]: n17
Grimley [8k\]: n17
DominikCZ [7k\]: n17
NEWS [10k\]: M17
mmm1 [?\]: n17
Ives08 [9k\]: n17
logik [12k?\]: isn't N17 too far?
brx [15k?\]: L16
spingle [9k\]: r13
playgo [4k\]: N17 
goglu [-\]: either N17 or R14
ReeZe [15k\]: c11
XiaoLin [2k\]: n16 maybe
Sanka [13k\]: k17
abbadan [?\]: E
Grimley [8k\]: lol
playgo [4k\]: C5 
Scribe [?\]: Open on the left side
avalange [?\]: c5
guojuan [5p\]: the door
ndkrempel [7k\]: what do you mean by door?
Ives08 [9k\]: c5
BrunnenG [16k?\]: D5
zee [5k?\]: C5
Javaness [6k\]: door to escape?
kimba [7k\]: d5
agui [7k\]: C5
EnliBikal [12k\]: C6 
kkv [12k\]: d5
zee [5k?\]: F4
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: door to attack it
Scribe [?\]: C5, D5 is the door of Black D3
Scribe [?\]: F3 is the back side of the stone
Grimley [8k\]: yes
][playm8 [5k?\]: yes
logik [12k?\]: yes
Celila [-\]: yes
Nesco [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: A hard one!
Scribe [?\]: please
XiaoLin [2k\]: he he I have on terribly hard, made it by combining few pro-level life&death problems
ndkrempel [7k\]: r14
Scribe [?\]: White to play
rhubarb [8k\]: n17
goglu [-\]: N17
Wuschelein [3k\]: n17
kkv [12k\]: n17
hansb [3k?\]: N17
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: n17
Javaness [6k\]: N17 seems correct
zee [5k?\]: N17
EnliBikal [12k\]: N17 
au2 [2k\]: P11
avalange [?\]: n17
Zebigbos [17k?\]: n17
Grimley [8k\]: n17
DominikCZ [7k\]: n17
NEWS [10k\]: M17
mmm1 [?\]: n17
Ives08 [9k\]: n17
logik [12k?\]: isn't N17 too far?
brx [15k?\]: L16
spingle [9k\]: r13
playgo [4k\]: N17 
goglu [-\]: either N17 or R14
ReeZe [15k\]: c11
XiaoLin [2k\]: n16 maybe
Sanka [13k\]: k17
abbadan [?\]: E
Grimley [8k\]: lol
playgo [4k\]: C5 
Scribe [?\]: Open on the left side
avalange [?\]: c5
guojuan [5p\]: the door
ndkrempel [7k\]: what do you mean by door?
Ives08 [9k\]: c5
BrunnenG [16k?\]: D5
zee [5k?\]: C5
Javaness [6k\]: door to escape?
kimba [7k\]: d5
agui [7k\]: C5
EnliBikal [12k\]: C6 
kkv [12k\]: d5
zee [5k?\]: F4
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: door to attack it
Scribe [?\]: C5, D5 is the door of Black D3
Scribe [?\]: F3 is the back side of the stone
Grimley [8k\]: yes
]
(;B[as]CR[as]LB[mc:A][kd:E][qf:B][qg:C][oi:D][kq:F]C[vince [6k\]: l3
abbadan [?\]: n17
ndkrempel [7k\]: if n17, b r13
ndkrempel [7k\]: r14 i think?
kimba [7k\]: n17
Sanka [13k\]: b to play or w ?
marwin [4k\]: ctrl + shift plus click change color to move
kkv [12k\]: then w L16 follows ?
Fatality [14k?\]: A
vince [6k\]: L3
ligo [8k\]: r9 is weak spot
Celila [-\]: there was c11
playgo [4k\]: C10 ,N17 ,R14 
kimba [7k\]: A
zee [5k?\]: door is where to attack the stone from?
ndkrempel [7k\]: door is n17
Bardock [4k\]: A
kkv [12k\]: A
Bodo212 [14k\]: A
XiaoLin [2k\]: a
Zebigbos [17k?\]: q17
Fatality [14k?\]: A
abbadan [?\]: A
kjp [6k\]: A
agui [7k\]: N17
brx [15k?\]:  n17
jbb [16k\]: A
kyo [8k\]: A
avalange [?\]: controll-shift-click to change color of stone to play
kimba [7k\]: A
NEWS [10k\]: A
Scribe [?\]: A, N17 is the door of the two Black stones p16 and r16
kimba [7k\]: ok
kkv [12k\]: yup
ReeZe [15k\]: clear
]
(;AW[mc]LB[mc:A]TR[fc][ed][gd][fe]C[ndkrempel [7k\]: but isnt it trying to make territory from thickness?
kimba [7k\]: it evelops the thickness as well
Scribe [?\]: White top left is VERY strong
Scribe [?\]: Black got more territory in the upper left
Scribe [?\]: White must use thickness to compensate
agui [7k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
avalange [?\]: yes
])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[zee [5k?\]: too defensive
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [?\]: N17 attacks the upper right Black corner
Scribe [?\]: R14 big but not urgent
Zebigbos [17k?\]: Can q17 live ?
])
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [?\]: Only after Black r13 is P11 needed
avalange [?\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
EnliBikal [12k\]: no
Bodo212 [14k\]: clear
kimba [7k\]: no
logik [12k?\]: isn't L17 dangerous?
Zebigbos [17k?\]: If black o17, can q17 live ?
ndkrempel [7k\]: 1 question
ndkrempel [7k\]: how do you know when its ok to make territory from thickness, and when not to?
kjp [6k\]: good term - "door"
seidelin [8k\]: can't wait
BrunnenG [16k?\]: same time like this week ?????
Scribe [?\]: same time next week
monchacha [11k\]: we should play p11 , a chicken move , match the year
FLgator [5k\]: what if black L17?
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[me]CR[me]C[playm8 [5k?\]: lol, i can hear white laughing ^^
BEsquirrel [5k\]: how b answers best?
Zebigbos [17k?\]: If black o17, can wq17 live ?
logik [12k?\]: ahh ok
playm8 [5k?\]: still
ReeZe [15k\]: why not attack the left side ??
Scribe [?\]: WHite welcomes this invasion
au2 [2k\]: thanks to ING FOUNDATION
jbb [16k\]: thank you, have a good week
kkv [12k\]: thx
zee [5k?\]: Thanks
vantoch [15k\]: thx
rhubarb [8k\]: thanks
kjp [6k\]: thank you
Scribe [?\]: WHite is stronger
Bardock [4k\]: thx
swilks [6k\]: thank you
brx [15k?\]: thx
smudge [12k\]: Thank you Guo Juan. 
agui [7k\]: ok Thank you very much
XiaoLin [2k\]: thank You
BrunnenG [16k?\]: thank you very much 
Bodo212 [14k\]: thank you and scibe
playm8 [5k?\]: thx for teaching us guojuan
Javaness [6k\]: thank you
zee [5k?\]: Thanks to Scribe
smudge [12k\]: Thanks Scribe. 
Aristocles [12k\]: thank you
XiaoLin [2k\]: and Happy New Year again
snip [8k\]: Thanks GuoJuan
smuin [?\]: thx
darki [16k\]: thank you
smudge [12k\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation, too!
au2 [2k\]: thank you
Zebigbos [17k?\]: Thanks 
vince [6k\]: thank you
logik [12k?\]: thx!
Bodo212 [14k\]: bye
abbadan [?\]: Thanks to everyboda!
meerkat [9k\]: Thank you and the Ing foundation....
EnliBikal [12k\]: thanks a lot
jbb [16k\]: see you
Nesco [9k?\]: till next week!
Jakobicek [19k\]: thx
tibra [10k?\]: happy new year
au2 [2k\]: happy new year
agui [7k\]: See you next week
playm8 [5k?\]: thx to ING foundation
Bardock [4k\]: thx
ReeZe [15k\]: thanks cyu you too
Woodstock [-\]: yes, thank you very much
kimba [7k\]: thx lady
playm8 [5k?\]: cya
Scribe [?\]: http://inggoeschool.bresler.org in 5 minutes
godman [2k\]:  happy new year
Bardock [4k\]: u2
EnliBikal [12k\]: hehe np
NEWS [10k\]: thx
zee [5k?\]: thanks to Ing
NEWS [10k\]: bye
mingjiu [7p\]: thanks
agui [7k\]: bye
godman [2k\]:    c u
])
(;W[oi]CR[oi]C[Scribe [?\]: White thickness has been neutralized after White r14, black L,M17
Scribe [?\]: P11 is passive
Javaness [6k\]: so gentle
Woodstock [-\]: slow
]))
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[oi]CR[oi]))