(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-01-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Worthless [-\]: Greetings.
Stav [6k\]: Hi!
badstyle [7d\]: Hi
guojuan [5p\]: hihi
moichido [14k\]: hi
barty [23k?\]: hello
ihgo [7k\]: hello
agui [7k\]: Hello
Chocobovn [7k\]: hello
smuin [?\]: hello
vince [6k\]: hi
Kronstadt [19k?\]: hello
guojuan [5p\]: welcome jujo 
C0nd0r [30k?\]: hi
Kumite [13k\]: Ni hao
Khconan [?\]: hello
jbb [16k\]: hello jujo, hell together
gogy [9k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Ni hao Zhijiu laoshi!
Javaness [6k\]: hello jujo sensei
krneki [10k\]: hello!
Melancholy [11k\]: nin hao !
au2 [2k\]: hello
Akamaru [6k\]: hi
slumpfi [13k\]: hi
IvoH [?\]: hello
nothingman [?\]: hello
patanjali0 [6k\]: hi jujo
pfft [?\]: goodie
jas [19k?\]: hi
playm8 [6k?\]: hi
Khconan [?\]: ^^
Scribe [?\]: Ing Cup Final Second Gmae
snowdog [14k\]: hi
bonham [25k?\]: salut
Khconan [?\]: salut
abbadan [?\]: hello
pfft [?\]: yes, big thanks to ing foundation for their support
zee [7k\]: once every 4th year
Scribe [?\]: Ing Cup is held by the Ing FOundation once every 4 years
Stav [6k\]: Scribe, can you write the names of the players?
abbadan [?\]: thanks for it
Scribe [?\]: Chang Hao 9p Chinese professinal
presto [7k\]: no time for geta
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Worthless [-\]: I thought it was Lee Sedol...
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[spingle [9k\]: its the second round of hte final .. go look it up
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[utku [16k\]: is sound available now?
Scribe [?\]: kobayashi style
]
(;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Worthless [-\]: My vol is near min. it's still very loud.
wayward [10k\]: config CGoban's internal volume sliders
Woodstock [-\]: can't you discuss that somewhere else?
]
(;W[hc]CR[hc]C[starline [6k\]: your system is not the problem of the teacher. please.
spingle [9k\]: pls stop spamming the leacture
]
;B[po]CR[po]C[pfft [?\]: i see
abbadan [?\]: thx, starline
]
(;W[rp]CR[rp]C[zee [7k\]: Chang Hao is B
Sanka [12k\]: vs ?
Scribe [?\]: therefore white pincers at h17 to prevent growth of black top
zee [7k\]: if W pincers, then W goes back to right side
Worthless [-\]: :)
]
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [?\]: good enough fro white this level of profit (white r9)
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Khconan [?\]: vs jujo?
]
(;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [?\]: by not playing r5 black retains the potential to play s3 followed by s5 and kill white s4
]
(;W[qk]CR[qk]C[spingle [9k\]: n2 is good?
klickklack [2k\]: R5 is omitted by black, what if W play there?
Scribe [?\]: black n2 is the best known answer currently after white n4
pfft [?\]: yeh n2 is good
Jakobicek [19k\]: that is strange
spingle [9k\]: cool
pfft [?\]: if w goes one way, b can connect, the other both can live
pandabear [5k?\]: ladders?
Scribe [?\]: why cut rather than p8 extension?
Thoravatar [7k\]: np it's very clear
Scribe [?\]: geta fails due to white descent at s7 area
SaiDono [21k\]: damn that's reading far ahead... to see the ladder from here :P
MysticoN [26k?\]: R10
MysticoN [26k?\]: ?
]
(;B[ol]CR[ol]C[wayward [10k\]: I see
]
(;W[rl]CR[rl]C[zee [7k\]: a little favorable for W
Golilithik [7k?\]:  
playm8 [6k?\]: white spent 15 minutes on this move?
grmaster [8k?\]: W lets B to get ponnuki
ZalforE [2k?\]: 60
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[Scribe [?\]: white s8 is believed to be a new move as well
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [?\]: Song TaeKon of Korea ?
zee [7k\]: game
bubulle [1d\]: vs choi cheol han, I think
Javaness [6k\]: oh
wayward [10k\]: yes
grmaster [8k?\]: ko?
]
(;B[df]CR[df]C[pandabear [5k?\]: create threats first
]
(;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Javaness [6k\]: sneaky
]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Scribe [?\]: now black creates the ko
Scribe [?\]: if black can capture at r10....very big
wayward [10k\]: Hollywood-style, I like this
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[SaiDono [21k\]: "hollywood-style" ??
Scribe [?\]: huge ko threat by black at e16
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: wait
ZalforE [2k?\]: why can
ZalforE [2k?\]: w not go R10
]
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: then fight ko?
Scribe [?\]: no longer that bad for black on top left...potential left at f14 by black
]
(;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Scribe [?\]: not good enough fro black white will live in corner as well
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[rm]CR[rm]C[Grimley [8k\]: no not live scribe
pandabear [5k?\]: they can count if this exchange is good or not? wow
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: t8?
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[sl]CR[sl]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: w can t8?
]
;W[om]CR[om]
(;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[SaiDono [21k\]: feels like white is getting pushed around ;)
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[grmaster [8k?\]: nice
Xaisama [19k\]: :p
pandabear [5k?\]: wow, there only was one Lee Changho-Lee Sedol game with more kos than this one
MysticoN [26k?\]: what if black played H18 before white played G18 ? .. then the G17 group is dead ?
Javaness [6k\]: i think kyu players can be scared of ko
SaiDono [21k\]: Java: nah I love playing ko ;)
okhna [16k\]: i love ko
Khconan [?\]: c sa oue tgl
Grimley [8k\]: great:)
bett [-\]: i'd say have to be. scared :)
SaiDono [21k\]: ko is one of my favorite parts of the game ^^
Akamaru [6k\]: ko's are fun
Uvas [-\]: ko scares the befesus out of me
Uvas [-\]: bejesus
playm8 [6k?\]: it's cool
wayward [10k\]: teacher Jujo has explained the thinking behind these kos very clearly
okhna [16k\]: ko changes the game`s ending
Grimley [8k\]: yeah it was a great lesson! thanks
ZalforE [2k?\]: wait, mr. jujo
pandabear [5k?\]: thank you jujo sifu
glint [13k?\]: thx jujo, come back soon 
snip [9k\]: thank you
krneki [10k\]: thank you!
rince [17k?\]: THX
Akamaru [6k\]: thank you
Thoravatar [7k\]: thx
Javaness [6k\]: ok very interesting
Scribe [?\]: Xiexie Zhijiu laoshi !
bubulle [1d\]: thank you very much
zee [7k\]: great analysis
SaiDono [21k\]: thnx so much
rhubarb [8k\]: thanks
kyrilin [20k\]: really great
MysticoN [26k?\]: thank you
hopeless [15k\]: thank you
Chocobovn [7k\]: thank you
okhna [16k\]: thank you
darrell [12k\]: Thanks!
jas [19k?\]: thank you
playm8 [6k?\]: thx
Zanthia [?\]: thanks
wayward [10k\]: thank you!
guojuan [5p\]: thanks a lot jujo
Sanka [12k\]: thx
Aristocles [12k\]: very nice, thank you
ZalforE [2k?\]: thanks.
bigben [11k\]: thank you very much!
grmaster [8k?\]: thank you alot!
shaman [14k?\]: thx
Hurmukka [9k\]: Thank you.
Khconan [?\]: thx
antonio [14k?\]: thx
pikadourei [19k?\]: thank you ±D
atman [4k\]: thank you very much
smuin [?\]: thank you for lecture
hansb [2k\]: thanks
cropette [3k\]: thanks
Sanka [12k\]: thx
Galerkin [10k\]: thanks you mr jujo
jbb [16k\]: thank you very much, see you
Kronstadt [19k?\]: xiexie
olczyk [15k\]: Thank you
schimo [1d\]: thank you
Sanka [12k\]: thx
changeling [?\]: thank you
pepermite [8k\]: thx
SupRAS [15k\]: thanks
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
spingle [9k\]: thankyou
Sanka [12k\]: thx
qucio [13k?\]: thx
no0Ob [-\]: depp
harukaede [21k?\]: thank you
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
starline [6k\]: thx
Jakobicek [19k\]: thank you vey much
Lenz [15k\]: thx
seidelin [8k\]: i enjoyed it. thank you
tibra [10k?\]: thanks
au2 [2k\]: thanks to ING FOUNDATION
pfft [?\]: it was fun and interesting; thanks jujo and thanks ing foundation
wayward [10k\]: great teaching
projo [7k\]: jujo: if i sjould study progames should i just study the fuseki or the ehole game?
Sanka [12k\]: thx
azrael271 [23k?\]: thank you
zee [7k\]: Can you please type the name of W player??
gogy [9k\]: thanks jujo
Out [?\]: Thank you.
bulgroz [5k\]: thx
Sanka [12k\]: thx
monchacha [10k\]: thank you jujo
balance [4k?\]: thanks
Ermac [11k\]: thank you
Sanka [12k\]: thx
Cerias [?\]: Thanks jujo
harukaede [21k?\]: thanks
KungFused [7k?\]: thx
patanjali0 [6k\]: thanks
Scribe [?\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation for supporting these lessons on KGS
no0Ob [-\]: wete
au2 [2k\]: thanks you JUJO
SaiDono [21k\]: cya
schimo [1d\]: very interesting lesson!
Jian111 [?\]: thx
Centurion [9k\]: thank you
vantoch [15k\]: thx
no0Ob [-\]: arsch
agui [7k\]: Very interesting !
glint [13k?\]: White: Choi Cheolhan 9p
barty [23k?\]: thx too
SaiDono [21k\]: great game ;)
vince [6k\]: thank you
erestor [8k\]: thank you
Stav [6k\]: thanks!
no0Ob [-\]: thx
guojuan [5p\]: bye for now
abbadan [?\]: thanks, Sribe.
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ga]CR[ga]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
(;B[nl]CR[nl])
(;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[is]CR[is]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[hn]CR[hn]
;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[gh]CR[gh]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[hi]CR[hi]))
(;B[pl]CR[pl]))
(;B[pl]CR[pl]))
(;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[pl]CR[pl]C[CCDM [5k?\]: why D17 not F18?
]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[zee [7k\]: not good for B
zee [7k\]: W has B14
]))
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[wayward [10k\]: B S7 in answer
]
;B[ff]CR[ff]))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: e15
ZalforE [2k?\]: too big
]
(;W[qj]CR[qj])
(;W[ee]CR[ee]C[projo [7k\]: to big for w in the upper
zee [7k\]: not good timing to take the ko
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
(;W[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [?\]: black does not take ko immediately, it would be bad timing
])
(;W[om]CR[om]))))
(;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[om]CR[om]C[Scribe [?\]: black leaves ko and creates ko threats by playing elsewhere
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[zee [7k\]: Joseki on top left will generate ko threats
Scribe [?\]: terrible for white....white lost entire corner
]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[mr]CR[mr]C[MysticoN [26k?\]: what if white split H3 ?
]))
(;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: chang believes that black does not have any ko threats at this time
zee [7k\]: too good for W
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: so black must connect
zee [7k\]: not good for B
]
(;W[oo]CR[oo])
(;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]C[zee [7k\]: B connected the Ko because no threats in the beginning
]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [?\]: black is weak
Scribe [?\]: both cut at p5 and invasion at m3
]
;W[nq]CR[nq])))
(;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[rl]CR[rl]C[pandabear [5k?\]: kyu would play S10 first :(
]))
(;B[rl]CR[rl]C[Scribe [?\]: usually cut fails after black extensions beginnging with s8
]
(;W[ol]CR[ol]C[zee [7k\]: usually the cut does not work
]
(;B[pj]CR[pj])
(;B[qj]CR[qj]))
(;W[rk]CR[rk]C[BlueJays [?\]: instead of r5
]
(;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[BlueJays [?\]: maybe because black played r3 
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[zee [7k\]: this is good for B
Akamaru [6k\]: r11
starline [6k\]: r11?
krneki [10k\]: r11
zee [7k\]: what did B not do it?
ZalforE [2k?\]: p7
rhubarb [8k\]: good question
]
(;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[rm]CR[rm]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [?\]: black gives up two stones to make top
]
;W[sl]CR[sl]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[no]CR[no])
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: ;p;
bubulle [1d\]: ladder doesn't work
Scribe [?\]: very good move for white r11
zee [7k\]: because of this
Akamaru [6k\]: =)
Javaness [6k\]: he is a secret pro maybe
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[playm8 [6k?\]: kgs ranking system has changed recently ^^
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[qm]CR[qm]TR[ea][fc][hc][nl]C[Scribe [?\]: white is gutting the area that black wants to build into a moyo
pfft [?\]: h17 breaks shichou yes
zee [7k\]: ladder breaker
Thoravatar [7k\]: geta doesn't work either
playm8 [6k?\]: can't you use a net?
ZalforE [2k?\]: no
ZalforE [2k?\]: well
ZalforE [2k?\]: hmm
Thoravatar [7k\]: no
]
;B[nl]CR[nl]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: yes
]
;W[ok]CR[ok]C[bubulle [1d\]: S8 has two liverties : geta can't work
ZalforE [2k?\]: u can
]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[wayward [10k\]: geta now?
playm8 [6k?\]: P11
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: net
Thoravatar [7k\]: two liberteis
ZalforE [2k?\]: O11
Scribe [?\]: black ladders fails due to earlier exchange of b f17 for white h17
ZalforE [2k?\]: hmm
playm8 [6k?\]: yes
ZalforE [2k?\]: thats true
ZalforE [2k?\]: no time
playm8 [6k?\]: because of lower side
])))))
(;W[ol]CR[ol]C[pandabear [5k?\]: every move a little better, but 250 moves...
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[rl]CR[rl]C[pandabear [5k?\]: ...makes HUGE diff. between pros and amateurs
MysticoN [26k?\]: S9 ?
Scribe [?\]: black building top, white trying to settle the group
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[moichido [14k\]: weak groups ?
klickklack [2k\]: white R5?
CCDM [5k?\]: scrobe - or just go options - view offline
]
(;W[mp]CR[mp]C[Worthless [-\]: Huge...?
Scribe [?\]: invasion and attack on black three stones in corner
pandabear [5k?\]: now S3 important
pfft [?\]: n4 cant be killed
zee [7k\]: huge for W to invade to attack 3 W stones
pfft [?\]: so yes, makes it hard if b tenukis elsewhere, must defent
go [9k?\]: can white play hane at P5 earlier ? (after R8 )
agui [7k\]: no
Kumite [13k\]: so this is a normal invation??
starline [6k\]: after w n4 b can cut?
twmj [25k\]: can w invade near p14?
Scribe [?\]: white n4 is a new move last couple months
]
(;B[mr]CR[mr]C[Scribe [?\]: now how can black connect his groups?
zee [7k\]: very hard to connect
pandabear [5k?\]: terrible
patanjali0 [6k\]: low
pfft [?\]: n2...hmm no
hansb [2k\]: low
spingle [9k\]: doesnt work does it?
Sanka [12k\]: l3
starline [6k\]: b o5?
pandabear [5k?\]: W gets the center
Kumite [13k\]: new on the rpo tour??
ZalforE [2k?\]: lol, pro tour
Kumite [13k\]: *pro*
]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[agui [7k\]: difficault
Scribe [?\]: after white n4
SaiDono [21k\]: N2 seems a little to low?
Worthless [-\]: N2 is the funniest move I've ever seen...
]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Grimley [8k\]: black walks on second line
wayward [10k\]: B lives in the corner bu lower side suffers greatly
]
;B[kr]CR[kr]
;W[jq]CR[jq]C[pandabear [5k?\]: not much territory :(
Scribe [?\]: this is no way to connect
])
(;B[no]CR[no]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
(;B[nn]CR[nn]
(;W[lm]CR[lm]C[zee [7k\]: if B tries to separate W
])
(;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[ml]CR[ml]C[zee [7k\]: B is stuck
]
;W[mk]CR[mk]C[Scribe [?\]: black can not split white this way
]))
(;B[nm]CR[nm]C[zee [7k\]: does not work in this case
Scribe [?\]: good thinking but does not work in this particular situation
rhubarb [8k\]: p6
tmc [9k?\]: p6
wayward [10k\]: P6?
Javaness [6k\]: p5 ?
StoneSage [15k\]: p6
bubulle [1d\]: P5 ?
moichido [14k\]: p6
goeki [?\]: o6
seidelin [8k\]: p4
agui [7k\]: O6
pandabear [5k?\]: p5?
coincoin [4k\]: p5
MysticoN [26k?\]: O6
goglu [-\]: P5
Klops [12k\]: o4
]
(;W[mn]CR[mn]C[SaiDono [21k\]: what's wrong with N3 or N5 btw for B after W N4
starline [6k\]: p6
]
(;B[nn]CR[nn])
(;B[om]CR[om]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[Javaness [6k\]: oh
]))
(;W[on]CR[on]C[Xeon [13k\]: o6
pfft [?\]: p5
starline [6k\]: o6
SupRAS [15k\]: P4 
]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[pfft [?\]: ^^ sorry for the flood teacher
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[np]CR[np])
(;B[np]CR[np]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oq]CR[oq]))
(;W[nn]CR[nn]C[Scribe [?\]: p6 fails to cut black
]
;B[on]CR[on]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: p4
]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[om]CR[om]C[zee [7k\]: p5 does not work
])
(;W[oo]CR[oo]C[glint [13k?\]: wedge
utku [16k\]: first o4, and than o6?
Javaness [6k\]: 6kyu
Scribe [?\]: p5 is nice move
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[zee [7k\]: B is separated
spingle [9k\]: wthat if black wants influence here?
]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [?\]: p5 prepares the splitting move of white o6
]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]))))
(;W[no]CR[no]C[twmj [25k\]: can w invade near p14?
glint [13k?\]: who 1st played the new R3 move?
ZalforE [2k?\]: too easy?
zee [7k\]: too nice for B
Scribe [?\]: full game visible at http://www.go4go.net/english/sgfview.jsp?id=5444
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[starline [6k\]: b n3
pfft [?\]: b can still get a little bit of stability at bottom
Scribe [?\]: white o5 is too easy on black
])
(;W[oo]CR[oo]C[CCDM [5k?\]: *scribe
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[StoneSage [15k\]: it is too small?
balance [4k?\]: p3?
pfft [?\]: none
moichido [14k\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
Javaness [6k\]: ok
balance [4k?\]: p3 for W?
wayward [10k\]: why can't Black go P4?
wayward [10k\]: after W's hane
utku [16k\]: o4 instead of n3?
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]C[SupRAS [15k\]: w D10 ?
balance [4k?\]: thnk
])))
(;W[rm]CR[rm]
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Scribe [?\]: r4, s5 exchange is not necessary for black
]
;W[ro]CR[ro])
(;B[rq]CR[rq]C[zee [7k\]: saves the r3-r5 exchange
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ro]CR[ro]C[ZalforE [2k?\]: wow
ZalforE [2k?\]: that is new <.<
])))
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[zee [7k\]: new move
]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [?\]: common
]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[amadis [8k?\]: btw this is 5th ing cup final game 2, 2004-12-28, chang hao (b) choi cheolhan (w)
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: q3 is inefficient?
SaiDono [21k\]: bambo
zee [7k\]: r3 is new
]))
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[or]CR[or]C[Scribe [?\]: also joseki
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[id]CR[id]C[spingle [9k\]: w wants bottom right to be sente?
Scribe [?\]: black playing for center influence
kyrilin [20k\]: isn't black very attackable here?
pfft [?\]: and plan accourdingly...i see
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: black can take sente in bottom right
seidelin [8k\]: the fight in the lower right corner....what is black thinking about his lower moyo?
wayward [10k\]: how does W respond here?
Javaness [6k\]: would white play H16?
]
(;W[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [?\]: very hard to convert moyo to territory, unless the opponent has a weak group that can be attacked to help convert the moyo to territory
]
;B[ic]CR[ic])
(;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[me]CR[me]C[Worthless [-\]: Black too thick?
Scribe [?\]: too good fro balck white must respond to black j16
zee [7k\]: if this, too good for B
Scribe [?\]: normal joseki make balck moyo to good
wayward [10k\]: thank you, teacher
SupRAS [15k\]: w G16 ?
ZalforE [2k?\]: how do u make moyo territory?
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[pandabear [5k?\]: HUGE moyo = big territory usually
])))
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[liza [-\]: ^_^
SaiDono [21k\]: well I don't really know this but my level is to low it seems to give any real questions :P
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[zee [7k\]: this is too good for W
pfft [?\]: so instead of the extension, how should b respond
Scribe [?\]: hard for black to answer at r3, too small, white gets nice extension to r9
]))
(;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Scribe [?\]: corner is now almost black territory
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[zee [7k\]: better for B
Scribe [?\]: this path favors black
pfft [?\]: no
Bodo212 [14k\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
moichido [14k\]: none so far
utku [16k\]: :)
krneki [10k\]: :)
kyrilin [20k\]: ;)
]))
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [?\]: balck seeks to attack to build top into moyo
pfm [10k?\]: pfm i always have some problem hearing mingju every week; none hearing goajuan
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[bolbi [11k\]: yep
Grimley [8k\]: pfm raise yours maybe
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[zee [7k\]: B has a choice
]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[kebes [5k\]: utku: leave the room and come back again
abbadan [?\]: sound very weak
Scribe [?\]: black choice, seal corner with r4
jas [19k?\]: ok tbetter
]
(;W[on]CR[on]C[au2 [2k\]: yes
Stav [6k\]: much better
agui [7k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: yes
playm8 [6k?\]: yes
smuin [?\]: better
moichido [14k\]: i hear
Aristocles [12k\]: better
grimbeeper [7k?\]: good for me
bolbi [11k\]: sound's ok
pfft [?\]: yes, we can hear you
barty [23k?\]: yes
zee [7k\]: must jump
pfm [10k?\]: my sound is all the way up
abbadan [?\]: my vol is at max, sound weak...
]
;B[mp]CR[mp]C[gogy [9k\]: mine too its ok
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[spingle [9k\]: then alter your levels
Akamaru [6k\]: my vol not even close to max but it's high
])
(;W[jc]CR[jc]C[SupRAS [15k\]: thx jujo
larryr [10k\]: sound is fine
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[abbadan [?\]: ok now
Scribe [?\]: black pressures white from the top
GoMe [6k\]: waa my ears :( 
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[pn]CR[pn]C[SaiDono [21k\]: weak sound... but hearable ;)
Worthless [-\]: What's wrong with your ears?
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[GoMe [6k\]: suddenly very hard voice
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[nl]CR[nl]C[zee [7k\]: if W tenuki, B will attack
Scribe [?\]: balck build moyo on the bottom
pfft [?\]: alright
zee [7k\]: B's moyo gets bigger
Scribe [?\]: result of white tenuki at k17
utku [16k\]: (I can't hear anything)
Scribe [?\]: black q8 does not try to kill but rather to make profit
SaiDono [21k\]: utku: did you check to see if your speakers are on ? :P
starline [6k\]: turn your sound up ^^
go [9k?\]: the sound changes a bit ...
Stav [6k\]: utku, leave the room and rejoin
snip [9k\]: makes sense
wayward [10k\]: none
moichido [14k\]: no
Worthless [-\]: Any questions?
jas [19k?\]: no
pfft [?\]: none so far jujo
barty [23k?\]: no
Bodo212 [14k\]: clear
utku [16k\]: now sound is great ok.
Khconan [?\]: leave the server and rejoin
snip [9k\]: I hear fine
pfm [10k?\]: pfm my sound is all the way up and it is still hard to hear
playm8 [6k?\]: sound is fine
krneki [10k\]: i hear ok
au2 [2k\]: sound OK
Scribe [?\]: sound is good
Bodo212 [14k\]: sound ok
kyrilin [20k\]: sounds ok :)
agui [7k\]: soud fine
spingle [9k\]: the sound is good thanks
pfft [?\]: sound *is soft, but i just turned up my volume
pfm [10k?\]: pfm please raise your volume jujo
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: clear
wayward [10k\]: pfm, check your PCM/mixer volumes perhaps
])))
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[Scribe [?\]: common fuseki
grmaster [8k?\]: who is playing here?
]))