(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-01-09]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[MysticoN [26k?\]: hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
beublo [10k?\]: hi
moichido [14k\]: hi
au2 [2k\]: good morning
Kronstadt [19k?\]: hi
okhna [16k\]: hi
krneki [10k\]: hello!
SaiDono [21k\]: hey everyone
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Ohayo.
slumpfi [13k\]: hi
Bamsen [5k?\]: hello
Ermac [11k\]: hi
twmj [25k\]: hello
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Konnichiwa.
Sanka [12k\]: lut^^
wayward [10k\]: konbanwa
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Hej.
snip [9k\]: ciao
SaiDono [21k\]: ohayou uberbeaver ;)
okhna [16k\]: salut
Prodigious [18k\]: Utah.
UberBeaver [28k?\]: It's not morning here, but anyway :P
Chocobovn [7k\]: hi
wayward [10k\]: zdravo
astralis [16k\]: merhaba
Sanka [12k\]: utah ?
Prodigious [18k\]: Ohio = Ohay
krneki [10k\]: zdravo?
Prodigious [18k\]: +o
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Yo, Vash-u.
wayward [10k\]: merhaba efendi
Prodigious [18k\]: So Utah. ;p
omur [?\]: merhaba :)
Grimley [8k\]: no audio?
gogy [9k\]: hi
abbadan [?\]: Budapest, Hungary
hansb [2k\]: No audio?!
wayward [10k\]: zdravo = hi in Serbian :)
SaiDono [21k\]: well... it's not morning over here either but I recently woke up :P
Cerias [?\]: hm
Sanka [12k\]: zhujiu isn't arrived yet
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Sweden, Uddevalla
Bodo212 [14k\]: no audio yet
UberBeaver [28k?\]: :P, SaiDono
jbb [16k\]: hello, no audio in Germany
guojuan [5p\]: jujo is mingjiu's younger brother
Mukoji [20k\]: bog, wayward
MysticoN [26k?\]: hello :D
snip [9k\]: yes
moichido [14k\]: hi
spingle [9k\]: hello
Prodigious [18k\]: Yes.
krneki [10k\]: audio!!!
Bodo212 [14k\]: now yes
hansb [2k\]: yes
okhna [16k\]: yes
Chocobovn [7k\]: hello
jbb [16k\]: audioo is there
maxime [21k\]: hello!
colombine [?\]: hello
pfft [?\]: hello mingjiu and guojuan
jbb [16k\]: hello
Kronstadt [19k?\]: yes
pandabear [5k?\]: Ni hao, mingjiu sifu
cropette [3k\]: :)
astralis [16k\]: hi
Fatality [14k?\]: hi
twmj [25k\]: hello Master!
smuin [?\]: hear you - hello
Fatality [14k?\]: I hear you
pfft [?\]: yes we can hear you
vince [6k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: very clear
aGOsto [17k?\]: hello
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Spam, spam, spam :P
MysticoN [26k?\]: can hear you very good
abbadan [?\]: OK
okhna [16k\]: is nt the volume low
wayward [10k\]: loud & clear :)
guojuan [5p\]: we were in the sam pro team long time ago in China
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
pfft [?\]: yes teacher
krneki [10k\]: ok
patanjali0 [6k\]: ok
twmj [25k\]: d10?
krneki [10k\]: yes
maxime [21k\]: ok
Chocobovn [7k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
moichido [14k\]: yes
patanjali0 [6k\]: yes
MysticoN [26k?\]: yup
pfft [?\]: got it
StoneSage [15k\]: yes
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[wayward [10k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: Black should play low at o17 if he wants to take sente
Breed [1k\]: lol
Worthless [-\]: Yep.
jas [19k?\]: yep
Kumite [13k\]: yep
maxime [21k\]: quite interesting!
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[UberBeaver [28k?\]: I'm a mere beginner...
aGOsto [17k?\]: hear very low
guojuan [5p\]: mingjiu was my teacher, jujo was my team mat :)
guojuan [5p\]: enjoy !
UberBeaver [28k?\]: I do only play go on computers.
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Sankyu.
colombine [?\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
rohff2813 [8k\]: scribe isn't here?
moichido [14k\]: yeah thx
pfft [?\]: alright
MysticoN [26k?\]: ok
krneki [10k\]: ok
wayward [10k\]: ok
Grimley [8k\]: oh:)
Scribe [?\]: Ah headphones help
pandabear [5k?\]: he he, if u wanna go, play low ^_^
maxime [21k\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: clear
pfft [?\]: the shape allows for more stability; over territory
oceano [12k\]: yes
cropette [3k\]: ok
pandabear [5k?\]: great
Scribe [?\]: a white stone at k16 reverses the situation
pandabear [5k?\]: R16 I meant
Scribe [?\]: this black pincer is too far.  easy for white to escape
Javaness [6k\]: ok thank you
pfft [?\]: okay; thanks for your lecture teacher
Stav [6k\]: thanks!!
Chocobovn [7k\]: thank you
BrunnenG [17k\]: thank you 
tmc [9k?\]: thankyou
zee [7k\]: thanks for great explanation
jbb [16k\]: thank you
agui [7k\]: ok Thank you very much
playm8 [6k?\]: thx
dagge [4k?\]: thanks for thr lesson
au2 [2k\]: thank you
Centurion [9k\]: nice lecture
jas [19k?\]: ok thank you
glint [13k?\]: thx mj :)
ihgo [7k\]: thank you
alarique [11k\]: thanks
astralis [16k\]: thanks a lot
krneki [10k\]: thank you!
harukaede [21k?\]: thank you
wayward [10k\]: thank you
pepermite [8k\]: thank you mingliu
daomagnum [22k?\]: thank you
Kronstadt [19k?\]: thank  you
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
patanjali0 [6k\]: thanks
C0nd0r [30k?\]: thx
Worthless [-\]: No homework? :)
bigben [11k\]: thank you very much
Akamaru [6k\]: thank you
brx [14k\]: thanks
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[abbadan [?\]: volume is low_((
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Grimley [8k\]: scribe is kidnapped
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [?\]: Scribe is here
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Chocobovn [7k\]: hi scribe
wayward [10k\]: thanks!
pfft [?\]: i see
krneki [10k\]: ok
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[wayward [10k\]: hmm, sound seems t be gone
aGOsto [17k?\]: you must quit and reenter
]
(;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Grimley [8k\]: randsom already paid
Scribe [?\]: Volume is very low ;(
bolbi [11k\]: sond's perfect !
GrandYan [8k\]: Scribey ! :)
])
(;B[]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Stav [6k\]: if black wants to play sente joseki, play low; otherwise, high
]))
(;B[qh]CR[qh]LB[nc:D][qc:C][nd:E][of:B][ph:A]C[moichido [14k\]: q13
MysticoN [26k?\]: yes
pandabear [5k?\]: r16 sometimes possible?
Scribe [?\]: White has 5 options here
Scribe [?\]: blocking at A allows black to kill the marked stone (white r14)
zee [7k\]: the other way is to kill pincered stone
playm8 [6k?\]: yes
wayward [10k\]: clear
Grimley [8k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Kumite [13k\]: yep
BloodMoon [5k\]: yes
pfft [?\]: yes, clear
Zanthia [?\]: yes
moichido [14k\]: yes
barty [23k?\]: yes
MysticoN [26k?\]: yup
patanjali0 [6k\]: yes
maxime [21k\]: ok
jas [19k?\]: yes
astralis [16k\]: yes
okhna [16k\]: yeah
krneki [10k\]: yes
pandabear [5k?\]: clear as a day
zee [7k\]: Q11 o=pincer is so so
]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Scribe [?\]: Attacking joseki using a pincer
])
(;W[of]CR[of])
(;W[qc]CR[qc]LB[pc:B][qd:A]TR[qf]C[MysticoN [26k?\]: yes
moichido [14k\]: block the wider side
MysticoN [26k?\]: a
UberBeaver [28k?\]: A?
maxime [21k\]: Javaness> yes
zee [7k\]: two ways to block
zee [7k\]: B takes the vital point if W blocks the other way
MysticoN [26k?\]: A
mingyaod [12k\]: good
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[gogy [9k\]: sound is perfect
maxime [21k\]: A
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Breed [1k\]: i have to turn my volume all the way up to hear good
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: White R17 leaves Black with two choices: A splitting white and B blocking on the left
pandabear [5k?\]: depends what is around k16
wayward [10k\]: when W has a stone at D16, B plays that way
maxime [21k\]: anyway, black has lost the corner
])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]TR[jc][jd]C[UberBeaver [28k?\]: A
zee [7k\]: to develop to[
pfft [?\]: board situation, yes
krneki [10k\]: yes
MysticoN [26k?\]: yup
wayward [10k\]: great
moichido [14k\]: yes
BloodMoon [5k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
jas [19k?\]: yes
playm8 [6k?\]: yes
flogo [-\]: joseki (-:
pandabear [5k?\]: but if there are another B stones around, in later stage, R16 is played????
Kumite [13k\]: yes
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[maxime [21k\]: no?
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Javaness [6k\]: the corner is not everything maxime
]
(;B[og]CR[og])
(;B[pf]CR[pf]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
(;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;B[oh]CR[oh]))))
(;W[nd]CR[nd])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: White has 5 options
]))
(;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Worthless [-\]: The day is stormy here.
pfft [?\]: i think i see it
wayward [10k\]: O14?
wayward [10k\]: Scribe, teach them go and leave them to themselves ;)
MysticoN [26k?\]: liza :D
Worthless [-\]: Yes.
Ceras [5k\]: o15 ?
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[SaiDono [21k\]: these are rather complex ladders for my level... at least seeing how to create one of those ;)
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Tictactoe [-\]: and p12 :)
Stav [6k\]: doesn't matter the ladder because of the black sente moves
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [?\]: Joseki
])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Lenz [15k\]: ok
Javaness [6k\]: yes
maxime [21k\]: will be very useful!
Worthless [-\]: Ok.
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[astralis [16k\]: ok
Zanthia [?\]: ok
agui [7k\]: ok
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[bigben [11k\]: k
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]C[Scribe [?\]: this joseki means black wanst to develop the top by now can not block white out of the top
]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
(;B[ng]CR[ng]C[pandabear [5k?\]: double hane
Scribe [?\]: also joseki
zee [7k\]: joseki
pandabear [5k?\]: W gets sente
kalim [14k\]: p17?
pandabear [5k?\]: nice calm move
Scribe [?\]: if balck hane at o12
pfft [?\]: okay
krneki [10k\]: ok
patanjali0 [6k\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
maxime [21k\]: ok
])
(;B[nh]CR[nh]C[Worthless [-\]: What a weird joseki....
Tictactoe [-\]: shibori :)
pfft [?\]: hmm no
zee [7k\]: how about this?
minue622 [5d\]: O13, 
okhna [16k\]: bad for b
beublo [10k?\]: what's shibori ?
HngryHippo [11k\]: p14 is a weakness
krneki [10k\]: cut
wayward [10k\]: W can cut?
Tictactoe [-\]: Q18
FlowerKing [6k\]: squeeze play
minue622 [5d\]: white plays O13
hansb [2k\]: Q18?
snip [9k\]: Q18
krneki [10k\]: p14
bolbi [11k\]: essorage beublo
MysticoN [26k?\]: white cut Q11
Javaness [6k\]: damezumari
beublo [10k?\]: thx :)
pandabear [5k?\]: it leaves aji
Lenz [15k\]: -_-
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [?\]: Black can not play at o12
Worthless [-\]: Q18 P14 relativity.
zee [7k\]: bad for B even if ladder is good
Grimley [8k\]: matter of taste;)
zee [7k\]: B cannot block here
roop [?\]: sekitou-sibori is,
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Tictactoe [-\]: uhm capturing shicho would be better then O13 perhaps
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Scribe [?\]: the white hane of q18 is very difficult for balck
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [?\]: game over
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[xl0 [17k\]: ;)
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[wayward [10k\]: :)))))))))
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[gojohnnygo [16k\]: nice!!!!
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[MysticoN [26k?\]: ahah
MysticoN [26k?\]: ¨nice
MysticoN [26k?\]: !!
krneki [10k\]: :)
maxime [21k\]: wow!
Stav [6k\]: uh-oh ^ ^
vares [?\]: hammer shape
Melancholy [11k\]: lol
Javaness [6k\]: poor black
agui [7k\]: Wow !!
pandabear [5k?\]: O17
])
(;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[ob]CR[ob])
(;B[oi]CR[oi]C[agui [7k\]: game over
Worthless [-\]: Doomed.
pandabear [5k?\]: both sides gone :)
]
;W[ob]CR[ob])))
(;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Javaness [6k\]: poor scribe
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [?\]: cut on the side that you dont want
]
;W[re]CR[re]LB[rd:A][rf:B]C[moichido [14k\]: yes
starline [6k\]: no
hansb [2k\]: yes
bolbi [11k\]: S14 
pandabear [5k?\]: s14, s16
tmc [9k?\]: no
Javaness [6k\]: black takes the corner
krneki [10k\]: s14
patanjali0 [6k\]: s16
pfft [?\]: sort of; im not a fan of it ^^"
hansb [2k\]: S16
spingle [9k\]: s16
wayward [10k\]: S14?
Zanthia [?\]: s14
bigben [11k\]: S14
pandabear [5k?\]: depends
gogy [9k\]: s14
agui [7k\]: s16
oceano [12k\]: S16
cropette [3k\]: s16
Khconan [?\]: r18
zee [7k\]: where B?
astralis [16k\]: r18
Worthless [-\]: S14 
starline [6k\]: s16
pfft [?\]: s14
Grimley [8k\]: s16
Melancholy [11k\]: S 14
DrGoPlayer [4k\]: p14
Fatality [14k?\]: S14
Centurion [9k\]: s4
Stalker [9k\]: s14
aGOsto [17k?\]: s14
Centurion [9k\]: s14
gojohnnygo [16k\]: s14
goglu [-\]: B
krneki [10k\]: b
Melancholy [11k\]: B
StoneSage [15k\]: a
gojohnnygo [16k\]: b
bigben [11k\]: B
tmc [9k?\]: a
jas [19k?\]: a
pepermite [8k\]: b
hansb [2k\]: A
Khconan [?\]: b
azrael271 [23k?\]: b
moichido [14k\]: a
astralis [16k\]: a
wayward [10k\]: B
MysticoN [26k?\]: B of course
patanjali0 [6k\]: A
starline [6k\]: b
agui [7k\]: A
Breed [1k\]: lol
kyrilin [20k\]: b
Kumite [13k\]: b
okhna [16k\]: a
Melancholy [11k\]: lol
Cerias [?\]: BBB
maxime [21k\]: A
wayward [10k\]: isn't Scribe making a mistake?  these moves do not depend on a ladder because W has sente to ensure ladder works
Stav [6k\]: yup
]
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]C[zee [7k\]: B should cut at S16
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [?\]: black must cut at s16 and take that the corner
Tictactoe [-\]: B gives white eyeshape to easily after which Q11 is a lonely stone in front of the strong group
])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[of]CR[of]C[Scribe [?\]: not joseki
]
(;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[og]CR[og]C[Worthless [-\]: If Black cuts at S14, WHite captures, Black Gote, White is solid, and the Q11 stone ineffective... 
wayward [10k\]: I see, TTT
])
(;W[og]CR[og]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Grimley [8k\]: s13
hansb [2k\]: S13
wayward [10k\]: R12
krneki [10k\]: r12
pfft [?\]: r12
Scribe [?\]: r12
beublo [10k?\]: R12
moichido [14k\]: r12
goglu [-\]: S13
patanjali0 [6k\]: s13
aGOsto [17k?\]: black has bad shape
beublo [10k?\]: okay okay :)
]
(;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Khconan [?\]: r12
]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[pandabear [5k?\]: ladders
])
(;W[rg]CR[rg]C[Worthless [-\]: Yep.
pfft [?\]: s12
beublo [10k?\]: oh
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[mg]CR[mg]))
(;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[pfft [?\]: oops hehe hmm alright
snip [9k\]: no
playm8 [6k?\]: ^^
krneki [10k\]: ?
])
(;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Tictactoe [-\]: shicho
spingle [9k\]: scribe crrected it
]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[Khconan [?\]: shicou
Khconan [?\]: chou
StoneSage [15k\]: what if r12
zee [7k\]: ladder
wayward [10k\]: what if W extends?
])
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[playm8 [6k?\]: lol ^^
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]C[pfft [?\]: lol
wayward [10k\]: belly tesuji to squeeze
Javaness [6k\]: jujo is here
Scribe [?\]: after those sente moves a ladder results to the bttom left no?
]
(;W[rh]CR[rh]C[wayward [10k\]: yes, thanks
zee [7k\]: S13 is tesuji
playm8 [6k?\]: black
]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[sf]CR[sf]C[playm8 [6k?\]: perfect for blck
]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Chocobovn [7k\]: nice
])
(;W[ri]CR[ri]LB[rh:B][qi:C][oj:E][qj:D][pk:A]C[hansb [2k\]: S11
zee [7k\]: Q10 is sent
Scribe [?\]: including q10 which makes s12 kill white
Scribe [?\]: and q9 does the same kill white after s12
spingle [9k\]: s10?
wayward [10k\]: yup
ihgo [7k\]: how to chose between the two pincers ? 
]
(;B[nf]CR[nf]LB[rh:B][pj:A]TR[og]C[Scribe [?\]: joseki
pandabear [5k?\]: beware of diagonal moves :)
Scribe [?\]: black does nto have to worry about white p13
Scribe [?\]: black has many sente moves
pandabear [5k?\]: W is helpless
spingle [9k\]: there is anet
krneki [10k\]: yes
pfft [?\]: clear
moichido [14k\]: cleart
wayward [10k\]: yes
Kumite [13k\]: clear
Worthless [-\]: CLear.
Ceras [5k\]:  w way too low
BloodMoon [5k\]: yes
Stav [6k\]: Scribe: yes but mingjiu said it doesn't matter
pfft [?\]: none, well explained
krneki [10k\]: what fi w has k16 stone here?
pandabear [5k?\]: S10 possible in a later stage of the game?
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[playgo [4k\]: is this joseki infuenced by the top ?
Scribe [?\]: sorry youngest child throwing up all night....tired
krneki [10k\]: ok
])
(;B[ng]CR[ng]C[FlowerKing [6k\]: s11 is nice
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[starline [6k\]: not r11?
pfft [?\]: lol
])
(;B[oj]CR[oj]C[pandabear [5k?\]: yes
]
;W[]C[SaiDono [21k\]: nice ;)
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[krneki [10k\]: ok
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Tictactoe [-\]: all this after black's honte O14 ofcourse
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[sj]CR[sj]C[pandabear [5k?\]: ladders
pfft [?\]: cool
snip [9k\]: wow
Javaness [6k\]: lol
wayward [10k\]: ok
])
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[Scribe [?\]: o10 also allows balck to kill white
])
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [?\]: r9 is sente
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[starline [6k\]: sentesational
]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Scribe [?\]: as is r8
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[sj]CR[sj]))
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[ng]CR[ng]LB[pj:A]C[Scribe [?\]: all of these depend upon a ladder to the bottom left
]))))))
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[Scribe [?\]: black q11 does not do anything
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[sf]CR[sf]C[zee [7k\]: good for W
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]TR[pi]C[pandabear [5k?\]: B ends in gote
Scribe [?\]: good for whtie
aGOsto [17k?\]: ooooh i see
]))))
(;W[of]CR[of]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[marmotte [10k?\]: R11 
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[ri]CR[ri]C[Scribe [?\]: q10 is too far
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [?\]: not a pincer
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc])
(;W[nd]CR[nd])
(;W[]LB[jd:A]C[brx [14k\]: wish him good health
Stav [6k\]: shut up, ww
rhubarb [8k\]: black s13?
Worthless [-\]: Stav, don't get carried away in the heat of all the excitement :P
Scribe [?\]: teh blakc stone at k16 makes the block at q17 after white r17 valuable
]
(;B[]C[wayward [10k\]: me too
Stav [6k\]: ok ^ ^'
liza [-\]: ^_^
])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]))
(;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[pfft [?\]: yes teacher
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[krneki [10k\]: ok
krneki [10k\]: yes
]))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[zee [7k\]: gepends on K16
]
;W[]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[krneki [10k\]: yes
wayward [10k\]: OK!
alarique [11k\]: y
patanjali0 [6k\]: ok
jas [19k?\]: ok
Chocobovn [7k\]: yes
pfft [?\]: yes its clear
Mokuseki [10k\]: clear
maxime [21k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: Clear.
agui [7k\]: ok, clear
Out [?\]: yes
zee [7k\]: yup
Cerias [?\]: hai
wayward [10k\]: none
mingyaod [12k\]: there are 256 people today
rhubarb [8k\]: b s13?
pandabear [5k?\]: sometimes S16 is played by W
wayward [10k\]: 2^8
]))
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[zee [7k\]: if W tenuki, W escapes
Scribe [?\]: hard to play the slow move required to prevent whtie
wayward [10k\]: not a pincer
Scribe [?\]: 's escape
projo [7k\]: could black play this joseki if he had a stone at k16?
zee [7k\]: not a pincer
wayward [10k\]: what about a one-space high and two-space low pincer?
kalim [14k\]: q12 to close?
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[zee [7k\]: don't like this for B
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf])
(;B[]
;W[of]CR[of]C[zee [7k\]: Q14 gote
])))
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[pandabear [5k?\]: r16
wayward [10k\]: r16
BloodMoon [5k\]: R16
pfft [?\]: r16
maxime [21k\]: r16
MysticoN [26k?\]: Q17
biomorph [15k\]: r16
wayward [10k\]: create thickness facing your stones
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Grimley [8k\]: r16
oceano [12k\]: r16
pepermite [8k\]: r16
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[me]CR[me]C[zee [7k\]: B has to block this way
Scribe [?\]: Only path for Black here. Must block at r16
])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[maxime [21k\]: protect the side
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]TR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: Here Black should block at r16 to grow the position on the right
moichido [14k\]: inefficient
Javaness [6k\]: it is upset
atman [4k\]: useless
maxime [21k\]: huge lost for black
Scribe [?\]: Now the stone at q10 is very inefficient
GrandYan [8k\]: Doesn't work well...
MysticoN [26k?\]: okay
MysticoN [26k?\]: I see
zee [7k\]: Q10 inefficient
]))
(;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[hansb [2k\]: D3
grmaster [8k?\]: D3 
PeterL [7k?\]: d3
atman [4k\]: d3
moichido [14k\]: d3
astralis [16k\]: c4
MysticoN [26k?\]: D3
agui [7k\]: d3
krneki [10k\]: d3
twmj [25k\]: c4
Stalker [9k\]: d3
pfft [?\]: could w f4 be considered, or not really?
maxime [21k\]: c4
wayward [10k\]: W can D3 now
]
(;W[dq]CR[dq]C[aGOsto [17k?\]: d3
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[grmaster [8k?\]: take sente and play P4 
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[zee [7k\]: W should block this way here
])
(;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[cj]CR[cj])))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [?\]: In choosing joseki you must look at the rest of the board to determine which continuation is preferable
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
(;W[hc]TR[hc]C[pandabear [5k?\]: not much of influence either
UberBeaver [28k?\]: A for W.
pandabear [5k?\]: as a pro commented on WAGC, excellently played joseki,  but the wrong one!
oceano [12k\]: K17 instead?
zee [7k\]: W this is a bad move
Worthless [-\]: :)
Scribe [?\]: White must not chose the pincer here
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]LB[dc:A][cd:B]C[Melancholy [11k\]: A
Worthless [-\]: So, the pincer not a good idea here...
Teclis [15k\]: a
Khconan [?\]: a
agui [7k\]: A
]
(;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[UberBeaver [28k?\]: What doras
zee [7k\]: W outside influence is limited on the top
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cf]CR[cf]TR[oc]C[grmaster [8k?\]: I thought Q7 wrong
pandabear [5k?\]: W has sente
pfft [?\]: b
UberBeaver [28k?\]: What does "7p" mean?
krneki [10k\]: white
MysticoN [26k?\]: black
StoneSage [15k\]: black
agui [7k\]: black
HngryHippo [11k\]: good for white
snip [9k\]: good for black
moichido [14k\]: good for black
pandabear [5k?\]: B has more territory
MysticoN [26k?\]: large territirum
Scribe [?\]: This result it good for Black.  Whites potential on left severely damaged
Javaness [6k\]: 7p is professional 7dan
UberBeaver [28k?\]: Aha.
pandabear [5k?\]: lots of bad aji for W
wayward [10k\]: L17/M17 miai?
wayward [10k\]: not miai,
wayward [10k\]: just big
krneki [10k\]: ok
])
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[maxime [21k\]: i see...
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[agui [7k\]: worse
Scribe [?\]: This is a joseki
pfft [?\]: c12?
wayward [10k\]: B is good
goglu [-\]: good for B
pandabear [5k?\]: where's W's territory?
wayward [10k\]: C6/C7?
krneki [10k\]: W has influence
Worthless [-\]: No difference
]))
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[id]CR[id]TR[oi]C[zee [7k\]: since both contiuations are bad for W
Scribe [?\]: neither response to black c17 after the pincer works for white
krneki [10k\]: ok
playm8 [6k?\]: yes
wayward [10k\]: clear
moichido [14k\]: clear
pfft [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Worthless [-\]: A white stone at the marked spot makes it harder for Black to create a moyo.
BloodMoon [5k\]: yea
Grimley [8k\]: d14 works maybe better with d4?
oceano [12k\]: woul w k17 work?
Klops [12k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: White p11 makes it hard for black to build a moyo
zee [7k\]: marked stone makes it hard for B to get moyo
ihgo [7k\]: what about a larger pincer ?
playm8 [6k?\]: where should white play now?
poli [8k?\]: hmmm
])))