(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-01-16]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playgo [4k\]: hi
jbb [14k\]: hello
Chocobovn [7k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
Bardock [4k\]: thx
tukan [18k\]: ok
tukan [18k\]: thx
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]C[abbadan [11k?\]: thx
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [?\]: Game review
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[cc]CR[cc]LB[dc:B][cd:A]TR[dj][dp][jp]C[Scribe [?\]: cut first tree
au2 [2k\]: how strong are the players?
playgo [4k\]: C16 
okhna [15k\]: c16
seidelin [8k\]: c16
Chocobovn [7k\]: c16
wrong [1k?\]: c16
MysticoN [24k\]: C18
Mokuseki [10k\]: c16
agui [7k\]: C16
MysticoN [24k\]: 16
MysticoN [24k\]: C16
agui [7k\]: A
zee [8k\]: A
taudrilly [20k\]: A
Mokuseki [10k\]: A
KyuTooveli [6k\]: a
rhubarb [8k\]: A
swilks [6k\]: a
Scribe [?\]: Which side should Black block?
okhna [15k\]: A
EnliBikal [10k\]: A
laole [2d\]: A
Galerkin [9k\]: A
Ceras [4k\]: the secret c move :)
seidelin [8k\]: or d13
Uvas [-\]: a
Scribe [?\]: Review from last week
lefuet [9k\]: A
MysticoN [24k\]: C16 then D10 stone help :D:D
abbadan [11k?\]: B
wrong [1k?\]: because of d10 stone, c16
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: i like what Takemiya Masaki does f16
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[Scribe [?\]: Black has stones on the right, moyo potential.  Must block at C16.
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[zee [8k\]: this way is good for W
])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[Scribe [?\]: White is lower than if Black g15
]
(;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [?\]: Blocking at D17 gives White a good result
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[jf]CR[jf])
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Ceras [4k\]: hehe ! :)
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[id]CR[id]C[zee [8k\]: fighting move
Scribe [?\]: Black G17 leads to a fight.
]
;W[jc]CR[jc])
(;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[id]CR[id]
(;W[gc]CR[gc])
(;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[Scribe [?\]: White G16 leads to fighing game
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[hb]CR[hb]C[Ceras [4k\]: for b :)
]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Uvas [-\]: reduces moyo
Scribe [?\]: possible continuation
wrong [1k?\]: I like this, fighting
Ceras [4k\]: I like this more
]))))
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[zee [8k\]: game
Scribe [?\]: Wow ! Black tenuki'ed !
wrong [1k?\]: if u can't decide, tenuki :)
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[oo]CR[oo]C[stalkor [7k\]: b18 would connect both right?
Scribe [?\]: White forced the direction that benefits white in hte top left
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]LB[qp:B][pq:A]C[Ceras [4k\]: mirror game :)
wrong [1k?\]: hehe, exchange, corner for a corner, eye for an eye ;)
swilks [6k\]: black seems better off
Scribe [?\]: White does not have stones in the right.
okhna [15k\]: r4
MysticoN [24k\]: B
FLgator [5k\]: B
Ceras [4k\]: B
olczyk [15k\]: B
okhna [15k\]: B
Uvas [-\]: b
lolilol [?\]: tenuki !
bneeman [18k\]: r4 better
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: b
Gruffalo [-\]: neither
changeling [?\]: b
swordsplay [9k\]: a
seidelin [8k\]: B
subway [12k\]: d17
swilks [6k\]: neither
playgo [4k\]: tenuki ?
MysticoN [24k\]: B of course
Scribe [?\]: Which side to block by White ?
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: hmm
atman [4k\]: neither a or b
wrong [1k?\]: c3????
MysticoN [24k\]: B B B B B B
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: a could be good
Ceras [4k\]: Q7  ?:P
Scribe [?\]: review from last week
lazy [?\]: yeah tenuki :)
mpu [1d\]: Q7 ?
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: i think
kongkaroo [9k\]: a
wrong [1k?\]: c3?
Uvas [-\]: ???
tukan [18k\]: nothin
Otop [6k\]: b
Klops [12k\]: a
Stav [7k\]: XD
MysticoN [24k\]: :(
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: trick
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: lol
cropette [3k\]: c3
Santa [7k\]: what if we play both at once?
Scribe [?\]: White can not attack Black o3 due to back up at k4
Uvas [-\]: can what?
wrong [1k?\]: c3, I said earlier
bneeman [18k\]: tenuki
Scribe [?\]: When hard to decide which way is better (A or B) you can tenuki
Uvas [-\]: ok
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[zee [8k\]: both a amd B are wrong
wrong [1k?\]: so, B has a good game
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]TR[jp][nq]C[lazy [?\]: lol
bneeman [18k\]: B is wrong because white has no support stone in Q10
Scribe [?\]: Both A (q3) and B (r4) are wrong
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: o3
agui [7k\]: no
Ceras [4k\]: not easy
Aristocles [12k?\]: no
])
(;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[rhubarb [8k\]: q7
lazy [?\]: p7 or something but it's still a mess
okhna [15k\]: q8
jeroen17 [12k\]: q7?
Ghoti [15k\]: r8
olczyk [15k\]: Q8
lazy [?\]: only helps b
czarny [8k\]: Q7 ?
zee [8k\]: F17 makes it hard to develop top
seidelin [8k\]: k16
]
(;W[pl]CR[pl]C[wrong [1k?\]: r8 not good
Scribe [?\]: White can not attack r6 for white has no follow up after black q3
agui [7k\]: R9
bneeman [18k\]: Q8 or Q7 leads to S4
])
(;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Kathi [15k\]: q7
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: k16?
Scribe [?\]: white q8 is Too far 
MysticoN [24k\]: balck just play 8 if white plays Q8
HitaruNoGo [16k\]: tenuki
wrong [1k?\]: easy for B
MysticoN [24k\]: R8
wrong [1k?\]: W in despert
Scribe [?\]: Two 4D players
atman [4k\]: s4 now
okhna [15k\]: r8
Scribe [?\]: result is good for black
Akamaru [6k\]: white has excellent shape, and it exerts so much power!;)
Kronstadt [20k?\]: l16?
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[lazy [?\]: so what should white've played instead of r4?
]
(;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[rp]CR[rp])
(;W[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [?\]: White must connect (hanging) or lose corner stones
abbadan [11k?\]: ?
agui [7k\]: korigatachi
]
;B[no]CR[no]C[agui [7k\]: no
Santa [7k\]: awful
changeling [?\]: no
swilks [6k\]: no
Uvas [-\]: no
Bardock [4k\]: no
Bodo212 [14k\]: no
Aristocles [12k?\]: no
bneeman [18k\]: terrible shape
])
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[wrong [1k?\]: W c16 not a good move
]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[no]CR[no]C[stalkor [7k\]: much better influence
Akamaru [6k\]: w had to c16 no? if not then black get's both approach and c16
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]C[Scribe [?\]: Black better
]
;B[mo]CR[mo]))
(;B[qm]CR[qm]C[swilks [6k\]: even if white plays correctly, game seems good for black?
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[kalim [14k\]: must be sequential
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[kr]CR[kr]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Ceras [4k\]: r12 yes... :)
Scribe [?\]: A little heavy for Black
wrong [1k?\]: L2 is a pro level move
zee [8k\]: heavy for B
agui [7k\]: yes
Bardock [4k\]: yes
])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]LB[op:A]C[zee [8k\]: game
Ceras [4k\]: q14 ?
lazy [?\]: arrg - 4d what can we say? ;)
Ceras [4k\]: hmm
jbb [14k\]: big move also
wrong [1k?\]: these are positions when I get a headache
Ceras [4k\]: or m17 :)
maruseru [?\]: m17
Scribe [?\]: Black r14 better than Black o17
zee [8k\]: wrong direction
okhna [15k\]: m17
agui [7k\]: R14
Stav [7k\]: R14 
atman [4k\]: w should play for sente
changeling [?\]: m17
tukan [18k\]: r14
wrong [1k?\]: tenuki :)
FLgator [5k\]: r11
Ceras [4k\]: lol
rhubarb [8k\]: p3?
playgo [4k\]: F3 
Scribe [?\]: White should play to get Sente
Uvas [-\]: wrong was right
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[kalim [14k\]: it a mirror of bottom
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]TR[fc]C[jeroen17 [12k\]: black is forcing white into the path of r6?
Scribe [?\]: joseki, black settled easy on the top
])
(;W[mp]CR[mp]C[wrong [1k?\]: I was right ^^
]
(;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Scribe [?\]: White should tenuki
]
;B[kr]CR[kr]C[Scribe [?\]: White n4 is urgent
zee [8k\]: N4 is urgent
])
(;B[]
;W[mq]CR[mq]))
(;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[zee [8k\]: game
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]TR[ee]C[Stav [7k\]: black is even better now
abbadan [11k?\]: jose
Ghoti [15k\]: heh, now r7
Santa [7k\]: can white play N4 now?
zee [8k\]: good for B
Scribe [?\]: Result is good for Black. Black's e15 stone limits White's potential
wrong [1k?\]: how to use e15 stone
Scribe [?\]: Wrong joseki choice by White
]
;W[ef]CR[ef]C[maruseru [?\]: so white should force black to develop on the top?
wrong [1k?\]: excellent moves, wrong joseki ^_^
Stav [7k\]: G15 ?
subway [12k\]: e14
wrong [1k?\]: typical for amateurs
Otop [6k\]: g16
subway [12k\]: no no
au2 [2k\]: problem move was the pincer at L16
subway [12k\]: sorry
subway [12k\]: f14
kjp [6k\]: d not run alone
swissgo [12k\]: g15
kjp [6k\]: do not run alone
maruseru [?\]: f15
atman [4k\]: the two black stones are light
swilks [6k\]: can he give up the stones?
]
(;B[ff]CR[ff]C[wrong [1k?\]: the 2 B stones are dark (black)
]
;W[eg]CR[eg]C[atman [4k\]: :-)
Scribe [?\]: Hane at f14 is big mistake by Black
wrong [1k?\]: B helpoing W
wrong [1k?\]: helping*
Scribe [?\]: This helps White invade Black's moyo
subway [12k\]: ok
bneeman [18k\]: can white answer with F15 for a double cut?
kjp [6k\]: B run away alone, and helps W
Scribe [?\]: return to the game
Scribe [?\]: Black has become heavy....now hard to give up any stones here
zee [8k\]: B is too heavy
agui [7k\]: G16
Gruffalo [-\]: yes
Aristocles [12k?\]: yes
rhubarb [8k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
swissgo [12k\]: c12
tomh [9k\]: where is a good points for w to invade ?
wrong [1k?\]: as clear as a bright sky
])
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Scribe [?\]: Black G16 is the correct move
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[wrong [1k?\]: how to use O17 stone
]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
(;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[eg]CR[eg]C[Scribe [?\]: limits White to the third line
])
(;B[hg]CR[hg]C[Stav [7k\]: wow
Scribe [?\]: Black can run fast at h13 after pushing White low
zee [8k\]: this is the way instead
]))
(;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[swilks [6k\]: j16
seidelin [8k\]: g17
kjp [6k\]: h15
Gruffalo [-\]: J16
Uvas [-\]: g14
zee [8k\]: B need not worry about the cut
Scribe [?\]: If White tries to push/cut. Black has tesuji
rhubarb [8k\]: f18
agui [7k\]: G17
EnliBikal [10k\]: J16 ?
Stav [7k\]: G17 ?
ivoSF [4k\]: h16
au2 [2k\]: b g17 ?
lazy [?\]: f14? :)
czarny [8k\]: F13 ?
lazy [?\]: g16
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[lazy [?\]: *h
lazy [?\]: ohh lol
Uvas [-\]: ???
seidelin [8k\]: nice
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [?\]: E13 is the Black tesuji !
Santa [7k\]: clamp
]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
(;W[he]CR[he]
;B[df]CR[df])
(;W[de]CR[de]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fg]CR[fg]C[Scribe [?\]: Good result for Black
]))
(;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[fe]CR[fe]C[Scribe [?\]: Now Black can give up the two stones.  White is overconcentrated relative to Black...nine stones vs 2 stones
]))))
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[zee [8k\]: B should approch here
Scribe [?\]: Better approach by Black
]))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: black e15 prevents white big moyo on top
Aristocles [12k?\]: r14
bneeman [18k\]: R14 is better for black's approach
Ceras [4k\]: q10 ? :)
]
;B[]
;W[jd]CR[jd]TR[ee]))
(;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Ceras [4k\]: q7 directley ?
Ceras [4k\]: yes
Ceras [4k\]: =\]
]
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [?\]: White q7 immediately
])
(;B[qm]CR[qm]C[bneeman [18k\]: Q7 helps black decide which to play, A or B
wrong [1k?\]: despert*
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[wrong [1k?\]: if u are in depert, play the 3rd move of the best var u can find :)
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Uvas [-\]: ack
]))))