(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-01-16]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playgo [4k\]: hi
jbb [14k\]: hello
Chocobovn [7k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
Bardock [4k\]: thx
tukan [18k\]: ok
tukan [18k\]: thx
jbb [14k\]: fine, thx
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [?\]: Third section
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]C[Scribe [?\]: of the lesson
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]C[Scribe [?\]: cut the first two
]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[lazy [?\]: e17
lazy [?\]: looks ok
lazy [?\]: or q5?
lazy [?\]: good for b
Uvas [-\]: even
kjp [6k\]: better to press on W in rigth corner
lazy [?\]: well might be better to r5 first and e17 later?
zee [8k\]: aims for influence on top
Chocobovn [7k\]: lower right
Scribe [?\]: must use Wall to attack white q3
swilks [6k\]: is there an attack here?
wrong [1k?\]: wow, I;ve learned something new^^
tiger1 [8k\]: black r5 or better q5?
swilks [6k\]: d17 or e15
Uvas [-\]: good if joseki reversed?
Hu [12k\]: Is Q5 good?
]
(;B[dd]CR[dd]C[ivoSF [4k\]: q3 makes black not big moyo potential?
lazy [?\]: e17 :(
agui [7k\]: wrong
Scribe [?\]: After this joseki it is okay.  This is the first joseki so choices are more
maruseru [?\]: well, it takes the last empty corner...
agui [7k\]: better C16
olczyk [15k\]: wrong direction
ligo [8k?\]: loloks like wrong direction
bneeman [18k\]: black was out of ideas so he took the hoshi stone?
Gruffalo [-\]: I would Q5 instead
rhubarb [8k\]: makes c6 good
Scribe [?\]: What of this move?
Uvas [-\]: bottom ight
agui [7k\]: top left
maruseru [?\]: q5 seems better maybe
Scribe [?\]: Black d16 move
Scribe [?\]: Black r5 drives white into Black Wall
maruseru [?\]: so then white saves his stone with a shimari
maruseru [?\]: or strenghtens, rather
kjp [6k\]: use wall for influence, not for territory
Akamaru [6k\]: i am trying to think something out with b o4 instead or r5
Akamaru [6k\]: can that possibly be ok or am i just totally of?
kjp [6k\]: empty corner
Scribe [?\]: Black says he likes nirensei
Scribe [?\]: But nirensei does to work with joseki in lower left
Uvas [-\]: d16 good if joseki reversed?
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[okhna [15k\]: k10
agui [7k\]: ok
lazy [?\]: can he keep sente after buttom right?
]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[fc]CR[fc]TR[qh][hq]C[Akamaru [6k\]: q14
okhna [15k\]: c14
wrong [1k?\]: i c this only in pro games
Bamsen [4k?\]: how would the game continue after b r5 instead of d16?
Akamaru [6k\]: which is propably the move played.. hrm considering what we saw before
swilks [6k\]: should pinch
lazy [?\]: can extend and.. weee..
]
(;B[cf]CR[cf]C[czarny [8k\]: :)
Gruffalo [-\]: lol
Aristocles [12k?\]: ohhh
zee [8k\]: B shouls pincer
wrong [1k?\]: chicken, stopped pincering
abbadan [11k?\]: yes
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[zee [8k\]: game
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[wrong [1k?\]: hope W won't picer too :)
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [?\]: What is the situation at this time?  Who is better?
wrong [1k?\]: I don't like h3, 'cause of Q3 stone
wrong [1k?\]: both low
agui [7k\]: good for black
Uvas [-\]: even?
Scribe [?\]: Did White choose the wrong joseki in the bottom left?
Otop [6k\]: w
au2 [2k\]: b looks better ?
Bardock [4k\]: white
Scribe [?\]: Should Black have played lower in to corners because it is not and will not be a moyo game?
Gruffalo [-\]: white looks ok
bneeman [18k\]: I would pick white here
rhubarb [8k\]: r12 wrong?
Kronstadt [20k?\]: b bit overconcentrated?
wrong [1k?\]: both look fine for now though...
wrong [1k?\]: if any difference, not too big
kalim [14k\]: c10?
MysticoN [24k\]: K10 !!
maruseru [?\]: black has little prospects on the left or at the bottom
lazy [?\]: hmm sorry - what was the q? :S
okhna [15k\]: ^o^
MysticoN [24k\]: K10 ?
kjp [6k\]: can W still do something in top right
Santa [7k\]: hm
wrong [1k?\]: now H3 not that useful
czarny [8k\]: Q5 ? to use thickness ?
zee [7k\]: better for W?
rhubarb [8k\]: 3pincers make a right
seidelin [8k\]: white wins
MysticoN [24k\]: isnt K10 a smart move for black now ?
changeling [?\]: good for white
wrong [1k?\]: W can even rescue F3 stone
wrong [1k?\]: later
swissgo [12k\]: w
maruseru [?\]: good for w
Scribe [?\]: Good for White
zee [7k\]: better for W
agui [7k\]: good for black
Kronstadt [20k?\]: W
Bardock [4k\]: white
rhubarb [8k\]: white
changeling [?\]: good for white
zeijinOne [16k\]: white
Aristocles [12k?\]: what would be the follow up for r5?
Otop [6k\]: w
changeling [?\]: is black trying to win?
changeling [?\]: :)
atman [4k\]: black lost already first move and more
Bardock [4k\]: black made more mistakes
bneeman [18k\]: how may points is black Q18 worth (ignoring the fact R5 is a lot bigger) ?
lazy [?\]: changeling, i hope u'r stronger than 4d to say it
Kronstadt [20k?\]: should B play at bottom now?
changeling [?\]: sorry
agui [7k\]: hoe should black continue?
kjp [6k\]: can W still do something with his stone in top right
Scribe [?\]: Black must continue at o3
kgsPlus [4d?\]: Q18 or R15?
Akamaru [6k\]: thanks mingjiu
Akamaru [6k\]: i have one
wrong [1k?\]: oh, 5:15GMT :(
rhubarb [8k\]: clear
SecondMoon [13k\]: yes thx
Akamaru [6k\]: before d16
wrong [1k?\]: everything understood
Kronstadt [20k?\]: yes
bneeman [18k\]: thank you for the lesson
wrong [1k?\]: thank You very much, great lesson
Kronstadt [20k?\]: thank you
zee [7k\]: excellent
Chocobovn [7k\]: thanks
Ceras [4k\]: i just got back from eating food =\]
Akamaru [6k\]: i had some thinking about o4 instead or r5 (when black played d16)
olczyk [15k\]: Thank you
Otop [6k\]: Kob kun krub
wrong [1k?\]: any homework?
zee [7k\]: yes
au2 [2k\]: YES
jbb [14k\]: sure
okhna [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes sure
MysticoN [24k\]: yes
lazy [?\]: yup
wrong [1k?\]: adore
IvoH [27k?\]: yes
Aristocles [12k?\]: it was very good
taudrilly [20k\]: yes :-)
kalim [14k\]: yes!
Santa [7k\]: oh next week ?
teroon [20k?\]: yes
Ermac [10k\]: yes!
akew [?\]: yes
seidelin [8k\]: it was great
Bardock [4k\]: yes
Santa [7k\]: oh jujo yes
Aristocles [12k?\]: nice!
smuin [?\]: great
Ceras [4k\]: cool :)
IvoH [27k?\]: cool!!
au2 [2k\]: GREAT
zee [7k\]: good
Mokuseki [10k\]: nice, thanks a lot
tablescrap [4k\]: please
agui [7k\]: That would be great !
vinhxuan [14k\]: thx
Ermac [10k\]: thank you very much
wrong [1k?\]: u both come?
changeling [?\]: thx
ivoSF [4k\]: please
wrong [1k?\]: that'd be great
stalkor [7k\]: *does happy dance*
Bardock [4k\]: thx
Hu [12k\]: Thank you.
Aristocles [12k?\]: good
tiger1 [8k\]: thx for today´s lesson
maruseru [?\]: thank you Mingjiu LaoShi
abbadan [11k?\]: thank you Minghiu, thsnk you Scribe
Bardock [4k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: yes
wrong [1k?\]: give us homework?????
]
;B[nq]CR[nq])
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[ligo [8k?\]: b looks oveconcentrated 
Scribe [?\]: Urgent move
Scribe [?\]: Black must play r5
]))
(;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [?\]: Black should have pincered the white stone at f17
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[lazy [?\]: wait - was r12 ok?
]
;B[de]CR[de]C[bneeman [18k\]: black figured out his pincers aren't working out for him? ;)
]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[Scribe [?\]: both are low, both are territorial
]
;W[cf]TR[cf][cn]C[Scribe [?\]: again black builds a wall...this one works with q16 black stone
wrong [1k?\]: c8-c12 aji
czarny [8k\]: family feud
agui [7k\]: yes
Otop [6k\]: -*-
zee [8k\]: brother fighting for same territory
Scribe [?\]: white c6 and c14 duplicate effort
]))
(;B[qo]CR[qo]TR[do][dp][dq][eq][hq][er]C[Uvas [-\]: bottom right
au2 [2k\]: how about b Q5 ?
kjp [6k\]: last one
Bardock [4k\]: lower right
Scribe [?\]: Black must choose between empty corner and approach a 34 stone
jeroen17 [12k\]: blacks stones from joseki spread towards top/right
Uvas [-\]: :)
swilks [6k\]: no
playgo [4k\]: no
cropette [3k\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
changeling [?\]: no
maruseru [?\]: ah - because white already has invested a stone there
okhna [15k\]: no
wrong [1k?\]: works nice with Q16
Scribe [?\]: approach the 34 is the bigger move
Uvas [-\]: yes
swilks [6k\]: why is it bigger?
Mokuseki [10k\]: no !!
zee [8k\]: B should R5 because it is bigger
kjp [6k\]: now W has to play up against a strong B wall
Kronstadt [20k?\]: balances b influence
kalim [14k\]: neutralzies black
kalim [14k\]: wall
Scribe [?\]: Black joseki choice gave up territory for Wall
lazy [?\]: but it's gote? :S
Aristocles [12k?\]: thanks
changeling [?\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: This is the direction of play 
maruseru [?\]: yes
Aristocles [12k?\]: better
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
Santa [7k\]: clear
bneeman [18k\]: thanks
olczyk [15k\]: yes
Kronstadt [20k?\]: yes
cropette [3k\]: ok
zeijinOne [16k\]: yes
lazy [?\]: yes but does b get to play e17?
])
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[lazy [?\]: but can he get both?
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[wrong [1k?\]: the only worse thing besides wrong joseki is wrong fuseki *_*
kjp [6k\]: works better with right top
Scribe [?\]: Better Black to play at e17 than d16 if in the top right
]
;B[de]CR[de]C[zee [8k\]: W too low on left
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cg]CR[cg]C[agui [7k\]: ok , very clear, thanks
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[bneeman [18k\]: now black gets a useful wall
wrong [1k?\]: W low along the whole side
zee [8k\]: B should e17 if he wants top left corner
Scribe [?\]: Now all white stone are on one side of the board cut off from future action
MysticoN [24k\]: how about K10 now for black ?
]))