(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-01-30]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Thoravatar [7k\]: dude Bodo212 [14k\]: hi Koreangrl8 [18k\]: Hello taudrilly [18k\]: hi Ives08 [8k\]: hi popie [?\]: hi Laylasan [18k\]: hi again ^^ Taiteki [10k?\]: hi Jakobicek [17k\]: ¨hib again Bodo212 [14k\]: thanks Santa [6k\]: we use Ing Clocks in Ireland Open olczyk [15k\]: What are Ing Clocks? Uvas [-\]: they go ing instead of bing Santa [6k\]: special clocks with Ing Rules, they talk in byoyomi Santa [6k\]: emil njihius? Grimley [9k\]: nijhuis guojuan [5p\]: Emil Nijhuis hansb [2k?\]: Nijhuis Grimley [9k\]: hehe guojuan [5p\]: 6dan guojuan [5p\]: Merlijn Kuin Grimley [9k\]: hehe guojuan [5p\]: 5da Keroberos [10k?\]: whi is it speaking? or i'm got crazed? O_O Scribe [?\]: Dutch spelling is very difficult Darkheart [11k\]: its easy:P ] ;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Grimley [9k\]: yeah its easy:) ] ;B[pq]CR[pq]C[IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: its a gome who strong player had play ? ] ;W[dd]CR[dd] (;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Scribe [?\]: Merlijn is white despite lower rank ] (;W[po]CR[po] ;B[cn]CR[cn]C[IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: k ] (;W[eo]CR[eo]C[Jakobicek [17k\]: yeah ] ;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[qq]CR[qq]TR[eo][dp] ;B[] ;W[dm]CR[dm] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[ho]CR[ho]) (;W[dn]CR[dn] ;B[dm]CR[dm] ;W[en]CR[en]C[olczyk [15k\]: Whose's book? IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: k ] (;B[co]CR[co]C[zee [10k\]: game Scribe [?\]: white e4 is wrong here ] (;W[cp]CR[cp]TR[fp][fq]C[ndkrempel [5k\]: when f3 is at f4? kyrilin [19k\]: ok^^ Aristocles [13k?\]: show the other side of the miai Grimley [9k\]: ok Shiva [6k?\]: yes Bardock [4k\]: yes IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: k Taiteki [10k?\]: yes Jakobicek [17k\]: yeah isshoni [23k?\]: yes BrunnenG [17k\]: yes Laylasan [18k\]: yes olczyk [15k\]: yes. Brutha [11k?\]: yes glint [12k?\]: clear zee [10k\]: f3 block f4 bamboo ] (;B[do]CR[do]C[aditsu [12k\]: e4 handtalk [8k\]: e4 Woodstock [-\]: E4 zena [13k\]: e4 olczyk [15k\]: E5 ] (;W[ep]CR[ep]C[Grimley [9k\]: e5 hansb [2k?\]: E5 ] ;B[eo]CR[eo]C[zee [10k\]: e4 ] ;W[fp]CR[fp] ;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[gp]CR[gp]C[Woodstock [-\]: big side ^^ Mythril [?\]: line of victory ^^ ]) (;W[eo]CR[eo] ;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[cm]CR[cm]C[kyrilin [19k\]: yes Jakobicek [17k\]: yup Grimley [9k\]: lol zee [10k\]: not good for B Grimley [9k\]: b4 hansb [2k?\]: B4 Santa [6k\]: b4 ! Badduck [5d\]: :-) EnliBikal [11k\]: b4 zena [13k\]: b7 Grimley [9k\]: :) azrael271 [19k\]: b4 Kronstadt [20k\]: b4 isshoni [23k?\]: b4? Ives08 [8k\]: b4 1st? Jakobicek [17k\]: b4 ] ;B[bp]CR[bp]C[Bardock [4k\]: b4 ] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[bo]CR[bo]LB[cl:B][cq:A]C[nrgdw [5k\]: b4 Laylasan [18k\]: hehe Santa [6k\]: do not trust the naughty duck Woodstock [-\]: hard one *g* zee [10k\]: same as the other case IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: its miai ? ])) (;B[gp]CR[gp] ;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[er]CR[er] ;W[fp]CR[fp] ;B[fr]CR[fr] ;W[dr]CR[dr] (;B[gn]CR[gn]C[IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: G6 ?? ] (;W[np]CR[np] ;B[em]CR[em]C[Santa [6k\]: looks to jealous ] (;W[bp]CR[bp]LB[cm:A]C[zee [10k\]: o4 good idea but too early Grimley [9k\]: why not b5 now? glint [12k?\]: o3 Pshem [9k?\]: c10 ratata [3k\]: c14 MysticoN [24k\]: D5 ] (;B[nq]CR[nq]C[kalim [14k\]: c12 IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: C14 fint [?\]: m4 Woodstock [-\]: R5 rather Santa [6k\]: I wanted D14 vince [6k\]: p4 borsuk [10k\]: m3 Badduck [5d\]: c14? Thoravatar [7k\]: c9 ] ;W[mp]CR[mp]C[zee [10k\]: o3 not bad idea as long as we keep sente ] ;B[mq]CR[mq] ;W[lp]CR[lp] ;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[qp]CR[qp] (;W[pm]CR[pm] ;B[cf]CR[cf]) (;W[op]CR[op] ;B[oq]CR[oq])) (;B[df]CR[df] ;W[fd]CR[fd] ;B[ff]CR[ff]C[zee [10k\]: B building moyo ] ;W[fm]CR[fm] ;B[fn]CR[fn] ;W[fl]CR[fl] (;B[ek]CR[ek]C[kalim [14k\]: what if wite d11 after d14? ] ;W[hl]CR[hl] ;B[ck]CR[ck]C[zee [10k\]: B should D9 ] ;W[fk]CR[fk] ;B[fj]CR[fj] ;W[gj]CR[gj] ;B[fi]CR[fi] ;W[ip]CR[go][ip][gq]TR[ck][fn][gn][gp][fq][cr][er][fr]C[Grimley [9k\]: show us:) okhna [15k\]: now zviratko [12k\]: now nutcase [1k\]: now :) Galerkin [9k\]: now glint [12k?\]: homework Uvas [-\]: now Brutha [11k?\]: now Astrae [6k\]: now aditsu [12k\]: now rzhao [5k\]: now au2 [2k\]: now Grimley [9k\]: hehe handtalk [8k\]: yes Badduck [5d\]: wow? really ko? Laylasan [18k\]: now Drum24 [11k?\]: noew please Shiva [6k?\]: homework Scribe [?\]: white corner is not alive, it is ko Baga [11k\]: later handtalk [8k\]: home Drum24 [11k?\]: hehe MysticoN [24k\]: :D Laylasan [18k\]: :) kalim [14k\]: ; 0 kimba [7k\]: :) goglu [-\]: homework is good Drum24 [11k?\]: no handtalk [8k\]: yes glint [12k?\]: lol Ives08 [8k\]: lol Baga [11k\]: :) Laylasan [18k\]: ;) kimba [7k\]: :) Ives08 [8k\]: why not lazy girls ? =) zee [10k\]: B c2 starts a sequence for Ko in corner Drum24 [11k?\]: noooooooooooooooooo zee [10k\]: Homework Santa [6k\]: girls are not lazy Ives08 [8k\]: lol Laylasan [18k\]: hehehe Santa [6k\]: we can't wait 2 weeks! glint [12k?\]: ok :) Pyv [2k\]: ok nutcase [1k\]: chinese new year coming... kimba [7k\]: thx a lot Pyv [2k\]: thank you guo juan Mythril [?\]: yay Canada ;) Chocobovn [6k\]: thanks Aristocles [13k?\]: good lesson rzhao [5k\]: thx Laylasan [18k\]: very very thank you Jolanda [?\]: thx zee [10k\]: How about G4 group? zena [13k\]: white? zee [10k\]: How should B get out here? zee [10k\]: G3 and G5 weaknesses ] ;B[cr]CR[cr] (;W[or]TR[po][np][pq][or]C[Grimley [9k\]: she cuts out the fun part:( tsunami [4d\]: S5 ? Badduck [5d\]: s5 nutcase [1k\]: S5 zena [13k\]: r7 ] ;B[ro]CR[ro]C[nutcase [1k\]: joseki actually :) brx [13k\]: HmWk: 1. B c2 - how W lives in corner? 2. how B lives with group G4? okhna [15k\]: thank you Bodo212 [14k\]: ok aditsu [12k\]: not enough headache :) tsunami [4d\]: thanks !! olczyk [15k\]: Thank you. DrGoPlayer [5k\]: great Badduck [5d\]: thank you vince [6k\]: thanks smudge [12k\]: Thank you Guo Juan! nutcase [1k\]: thank you very much, guo laoshi :) Santa [6k\]: thank you guo Laylasan [18k\]: thank you au2 [2k\]: thank you Bodo212 [14k\]: ok rakdver [14k\]: thank you Astrae [6k\]: thx dagge [4k\]: thank you Guo alarique [12k\]: thx mingjiu [7p\]: yes ] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[rp]CR[rp] ;W[qq]CR[qq] ;B[ql]CR[ql]C[nutcase [1k\]: nono nutcase [1k\]: S4 no good nutcase [1k\]: juz R8 Darkheart [11k\]: lol nutcase [1k\]: N2 aji for b ]) (;W[qq]CR[qq]C[nutcase [1k\]: R2 MysticoN [24k\]: R4 zee [10k\]: one way here ] (;B[qr]CR[qr]C[fint [?\]: p2 zee [10k\]: s5 zee [10k\]: p2 better zee [10k\]: tan r2 ] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[or]CR[or]C[kimba [7k\]: r4 nutcase [1k\]: or P2 MysticoN [24k\]: R4 ] ;W[nr]CR[nr]C[Grimley [9k\]: yes alive ] (;B[rr]CR[rr]C[zee [10k\]: a var for B Ives08 [8k\]: perhaps P4 first den S2? ]) (;B[rq]CR[rq])) (;B[or]CR[or]C[Badduck [5d\]: p2 ] (;W[nr]CR[nr] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[rq]CR[rq] ;W[qr]CR[qr] ;B[rr]CR[rr]) (;W[qr]CR[qr] ;B[mq]CR[mq] ;W[pp]CR[pp]C[zee [10k\]: normally W plays like this ])))) (;B[dk]CR[dk]))) (;W[bo]CR[bo] ;B[bn]CR[bn]C[Grimley [9k\]: white has to answer? Grimley [9k\]: ah ok ])) (;W[fm]CR[fm] ;B[ck]CR[ck] ;W[bo]CR[bo] ;B[bn]CR[bn] ;W[np]CR[np]C[zee [10k\]: better this way for W ndkrempel [5k\]: can black ignore b5? ])) (;B[cr]CR[cr] ;W[bp]CR[bp] ;B[ds]CR[ds] ;W[cm]CR[cm]C[zee [10k\]: old joseki ]))) (;W[ep]CR[ep]C[goglu [-\]: black F3 or F4 zee [10k\]: when should W block the corner? glint [12k?\]: bamboo joint when B strong both sides? Bardock [4k\]: c4 when no stone at f3 ])) (;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[bo]CR[bo]C[taudrilly [18k\]: ok ] ;W[do]CR[do] ;B[bm]CR[bm] ;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[bp]CR[bp] (;W[cl]CR[cl] ;B[cm]CR[cm] ;W[eq]CR[eq]) (;W[em]CR[em] ;B[dl]CR[dl] (;W[jp]CR[jp] (;B[hq]CR[hq]) (;B[dr]CR[dr] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[cr]CR[cr]) (;B[sa]CR[sa]C[Scribe [?\]: can expand at either d2 or h3 ] ;W[gp]CR[gp] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[dr]CR[dr] ;W[er]CR[er] ;B[cr]CR[cr]C[Scribe [?\]: black f3 stone is lively ] ;W[fp]CR[fp])) (;W[jq]CR[jq]))) (;B[cq]CR[cq]C[Pyv [2k\]: go seigen guojuan [5p\]: Go SeiGen zviratko [12k\]: go seigen olczyk [15k\]: Thank you. Pyv [2k\]: way of play for the 21st century ] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[cm]CR[cm]TR[dd][cq][dq][fq][pq]C[nesepi [6k\]: i got that book handtalk [8k\]: sente Grimley [9k\]: looks good for white okhna [15k\]: black is good Woodstock [-\]: a little better for black au2 [2k\]: ok for W zee [10k\]: another joseki goglu [-\]: white is good Chocobovn [6k\]: i prefer w smudge [12k\]: Black is low on the bottom popie [?\]: black cnom [?\]: good for w Grimley [9k\]: white was 2 stones behind Ives08 [8k\]: B better glint [12k?\]: Wu Qingyuan :) Grimley [9k\]: and now has eye shape goglu [-\]: black is low swilks [6k\]: white here. q3 is low atman [4k\]: good for white because of upper left corner dal [-\]: If Master Wu played this, it has to be good :) au2 [2k\]: position of D16 Ives08 [8k\]: B got B6 later Badduck [5d\]: e6 better than c8 Woodstock [-\]: but b has sente! Chocobovn [6k\]: w combo with d16, black is low Brutha [11k?\]: better for black because the ladder doesn't work zee [10k\]: B too low nrgdw [5k\]: what happend aftewr b B6??? EnliBikal [11k\]: w wall facing d16 zee [10k\]: D16 works well okhna [15k\]: ok ]))) (;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[jp]CR[jp] ;W[qn]CR[qn] (;B[qp]CR[qp]C[Scribe [?\]: simple way to play ] ;W[qk]CR[qk] ;B[qi]CR[qi] ;W[on]CR[on] ;B[pm]CR[pm] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[mp]CR[mp]) (;B[po]CR[po] ;W[rp]CR[rp]C[Santa [6k\]: yes i remember this game glint [12k?\]: R3 Scribe [?\]: much more complicated than previous line of play (black r4) ] ;B[ql]CR[ql] ;W[pn]CR[pn] (;B[qq]CR[qq]C[handtalk [8k\]: yes ]) (;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[ro]CR[ro] ;B[qq]CR[qq])))) (;B[fp]CR[fp]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: yes ] ;W[po]CR[po] ;B[cn]CR[cn] ;W[dn]CR[dn] ;B[dm]CR[dm] ;W[en]CR[en] ;B[co]CR[co]C[IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: F3 ? ] (;W[ep]CR[ep]) (;W[cp]CR[cp] ;B[do]CR[do] ;W[eo]CR[eo] ;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[cm]CR[cm]C[zee [10k\]: cut is severe here Bardock [4k\]: b7 Badduck [5d\]: b4? goglu [-\]: b4 zee [10k\]: what is best for B? IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: B4 Bardock [4k\]: oh Bardock [4k\]: ... Grimley [9k\]: hehe Grimley [9k\]: sure Bardock [4k\]: yes Scribe [?\]: When there is a stone at F4, you must create the bamboo joint of e4 ] ;B[bp]CR[bp] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[bo]CR[bo]LB[cl:B][cq:A]C[aditsu [12k\]: I believe 5p IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: C3 zee [10k\]: hane at b4 is best for B glint [12k?\]: yes isshoni [23k?\]: ok okhna [15k\]: clear kyrilin [19k\]: hmmm... Santa [6k\]: clear IdnOuNaGe [8k?\]: no Bardock [4k\]: yes ] ;W[cl]CR[cl]C[Brutha [11k?\]: yes ] ;B[cq]CR[cq]C[Shiva [6k?\]: yes ] ;W[dq]CR[dq]C[lefuet [9k\]: yes ] ;B[cr]CR[cr]C[zee [10k\]: c3 and c8 miai ] ;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[br]CR[br] ;W[fr]CR[fr] ;B[gq]CR[gq])))