(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playm8 [7k?\]: hi
krneki [9k\]: hi
kalim [14k\]: hello!
gertzu [16k\]: hi:)
ligo [8k\]: hello
biomorph [15k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
playm8 [7k?\]: yes
okhna [15k\]: hi
janine [?\]: hi
monique [?\]: yes
krneki [9k\]: yes
Galerkin [9k\]: yes
zviratko [12k\]: yes
Jakobicek [16k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
FabienO [21k\]: good
Jenny12yrs [13k\]: hi
Galerkin [9k\]: good sound
thespis [6k\]: hello
Brutha [7k?\]: yes
zviratko [12k\]: we hear you
Xanthus [12k\]: hi
okhna [15k\]: nice
krneki [9k\]: very good
Prometheus [11k\]: hello
goglu [-\]: sound better than jujo
Hennuz [9k?\]: hi
Hu [12k\]: Hello ^^
rakdver [14k\]: hello
Sh [14k\]: hi
Domme [11k\]: better mic :)
Tjalveboy [16k\]: hi
ted [26k?\]: nice sound .\]
Uvas [-\]: hi mingjiu
kolben [1k?\]: yup
TonyTiger [5k\]: yes
Jenny12yrs [13k\]: now
janine [?\]: :P
Grimley [9k\]: yes how to kill that dead group
Thoravatar [7k\]: the dead shape
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[monchacha [10k\]: yes 4
Scribe [?\]: Homework from last week
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Grimley [9k\]: you dont need to kill dead groups 
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Grimley [9k\]: they're dead already
Tjalveboy [16k\]: true =9
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[xMe [5k\]: yes
tibra [10k?\]: yes
Hu [12k\]: One can use F2 Edit tool to place stones.
okhna [15k\]: yes
Thoravatar [7k\]: jeah
woll997 [6k\]: How to live with A19? 
flogo [2k\]: unfortunately .. (-:
zviratko [12k\]: how many ways
Grimley [9k\]: 1
monchacha [10k\]: 4
okhna [15k\]: you asked for the best way
hansb [2k?\]: five
xMe [5k\]: only one
Grimley [9k\]: tenuki
Scribe [?\]: How many ways can White attack Black
Thoravatar [7k\]: tenuki
krneki [9k\]: tenuki
cocoon [9k\]: six !
npk196 [14k\]: 3
Bardock [5k\]: 4
Tjalveboy [16k\]: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
Prometheus [11k\]: 1
egemen [11k\]: 1
jeko [18k\]: yes
Thoravatar [7k\]: hmmzz that's a shame ;)
Scribe [?\]: white tenuki, black lives in ko.  white must move locally
FabienO [21k\]: now please :)
tuesday [?\]: n19
Tjalveboy [16k\]: yes, now =)
okhna [15k\]: next week
npk196 [14k\]: why not now?
monique [?\]: now
npk196 [14k\]: now,pls
glint [11k?\]: if U have time
Jakobicek [16k\]: pls
monique [?\]: pleaaaaaase
Scribe [?\]: now only if you can give new homework for next week :)
yuit [?\]: tenuki better
flush [2d\]: A
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[cocoon [9k\]: at least 2
Scribe [?\]: First, White can not Tenuki
Thoravatar [7k\]: q19
]
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Santa [6k\]: R19 doesn't kill
Scribe [?\]: After Black r17 Black lives
Thoravatar [7k\]: q19?
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
(;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Santa [6k\]: 2 empty triangles lives in the corner
])
(;B[ob]CR[ob]C[tuesday [?\]: p18
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Scribe [?\]: p19 black mistake
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[npk196 [14k\]: ko?
])))
(;B[ae]CR[ae]LB[na:G][oa:D][ra:E][nb:F][ob:C][qb:B][qc:A]C[glint [11k?\]: don't be pedantic
Scribe [?\]: P18 works
yebisu [-\]: p19
hansb [2k?\]: P19
tuesday [?\]: t17
Brutha [7k?\]: s19
hansb [2k?\]: S19
Thoravatar [7k\]: 019
flush [2d\]: Q19 
npk196 [14k\]: oh
npk196 [14k\]: ok
Grimley [9k\]: o18.019
Thoravatar [7k\]: 019
Jakobicek [16k\]: s18?
tuesday [?\]: t17
Prometheus [11k\]: 6 total
Thoravatar [7k\]: 018
Thoravatar [7k\]: n19
rohff2813 [7k\]: O19
Prometheus [11k\]: q19
flogo [2k\]: R19  ?
Grimley [9k\]: n19, o19 works as well
Prometheus [11k\]: 019
Thoravatar [7k\]: n19
flogo [2k\]: and r19 no ?
spingle [10k\]: lol
hansb [2k?\]: N19
tuesday [?\]: q19
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[playm8 [7k?\]: glint: if he doesn't have time, then why is he offering to teach us? ^^
glint [11k?\]: a turn of phrase m8
]
;B[qb]CR[qb])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[glint [11k?\]: :P
Brutha [7k?\]: rworks
Scribe [?\]: White r17 so easy
npk196 [14k\]: work
playm8 [7k?\]: glint: pedantic is my middle name :p
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Thoravatar [7k\]: no
flush [2d\]: but ofcourse R17 is the best way because it leaves 0 ko threats :)
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[krneki [9k\]: works
])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Brutha [7k?\]: works
Scribe [?\]: five ways to date
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Scribe [?\]: R18 works
])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[Bardock [5k\]: R19 
Brutha [7k?\]: t19?
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Bardock [5k\]: never mind
Scribe [?\]: p19 works
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Thoravatar [7k\]: o18
npk196 [14k\]: not work
Thoravatar [7k\]: jeah
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[tuesday [?\]: 11 ways
playm8 [7k?\]: maybe we should count the number of ways white has to NOT kill black ^^
Scribe [?\]: s19 works
])
(;W[sa]CR[sa]C[Brutha [7k?\]: or 17
Brutha [7k?\]: ;)
okhna [15k\]: lol
ndkrempel [5k\]: makes black live!
yebisu [-\]: doesn't :D
krneki [9k\]: no
Sh [14k\]: nope ;)
janine [?\]: no
er4ser [13k\]: doesnt
Tjalveboy [16k\]: doesn't...
TonyTiger [5k\]: :)
monchacha [10k\]: no
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Prometheus [11k\]: works well...for black
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[npk196 [14k\]: doesn't
])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[DIMAS [13k?\]: R18
Scribe [?\]: no ko
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]))
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[npk196 [14k\]: work
Thoravatar [7k\]: works
npk196 [14k\]: 6
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: works, cause black can't extend
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pa]CR[pa]TR[nb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[Scribe [?\]: even white o18 works !!
])
(;W[na]CR[na]C[Thoravatar [7k\]: n19 o19
Thoravatar [7k\]: work
Tjalveboy [16k\]: works
Brutha [7k?\]: works
Tjalveboy [16k\]: same as before...
Jakobicek [16k\]: works
npk196 [14k\]: works
]))
(;B[]LB[ma:H][na:F][oa:E][ra:C][nb:G][ob:D][qb:B][qc:A]C[flush [2d\]: Q19 also kills right?
Thoravatar [7k\]: only r19 and t17 do not work
Grimley [9k\]: yeah..
TonyTiger [5k\]: Q19?
Thoravatar [7k\]: q19 works
Thoravatar [7k\]: H
npk196 [14k\]: A
]
(;W[ma]CR[ma]C[npk196 [14k\]: N19?
Thoravatar [7k\]: works!! :D
Scribe [?\]: very very good if you found this move (n19)
Thoravatar [7k\]: tenuki = ko
Scribe [?\]: This is the best way to kill Black !
Brutha [7k?\]: r17 seems to give black no ko threads
spingle [10k\]: ok, that makes sense
Scribe [?\]: helps both to kill and helps the outside
flush [2d\]: I think two ko threats worth more than 1 point
Tjalveboy [16k\]: yes!
Uvas [-\]: ends
Scribe [?\]: yes more Homework Please!
Brutha [7k?\]: but with n19 black has threads
glint [11k?\]: end
Uvas [-\]: at end
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ob]CR[ob]TR[ma]
(;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[Scribe [?\]: due the n19 stone white can connect 
glint [11k?\]: yes
DIMAS [13k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: no need to create ko with s19
Jakobicek [16k\]: yup
gertzu [16k\]: yes
]))
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[DIMAS [13k?\]: P19
Brutha [7k?\]: p18
Thoravatar [7k\]: only r19 and t17/19 do not work
Bodo212 [14k\]: no yestion
flogo [2k\]: thanks
Scribe [?\]: NINE ! ways to kill this black
playm8 [7k?\]: and this proves that it would have been quicker to count the ways white could not kill black in upper right ^^
spingle [10k\]: which is the best way then?
])))