(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playm8 [7k?\]: hi
krneki [9k\]: hi
kalim [14k\]: hello!
gertzu [16k\]: hi:)
ligo [8k\]: hello
biomorph [15k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
playm8 [7k?\]: yes
okhna [15k\]: hi
janine [?\]: hi
monique [?\]: yes
krneki [9k\]: yes
Galerkin [9k\]: yes
zviratko [12k\]: yes
Jakobicek [16k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
FabienO [21k\]: good
Jenny12yrs [13k\]: hi
Galerkin [9k\]: good sound
thespis [6k\]: hello
Brutha [7k?\]: yes
zviratko [12k\]: we hear you
Xanthus [12k\]: hi
okhna [15k\]: nice
krneki [9k\]: very good
Prometheus [11k\]: hello
goglu [-\]: sound better than jujo
Hennuz [9k?\]: hi
Hu [12k\]: Hello ^^
rakdver [14k\]: hello
Sh [14k\]: hi
Domme [11k\]: better mic :)
Tjalveboy [16k\]: hi
ted [26k?\]: nice sound .\]
Uvas [-\]: hi mingjiu
kolben [1k?\]: yup
TonyTiger [5k\]: yes
Jenny12yrs [13k\]: now
janine [?\]: :P
Grimley [9k\]: yes how to kill that dead group
Thoravatar [7k\]: the dead shape
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[Thoravatar [7k\]: not threads but threaths
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Grimley [9k\]: mierenneuker
BlueKid [7k\]: threats
zee [10k\]: Question is what if W played here instead?
cocoon [9k\]: p 14 better ?
Tjalveboy [16k\]: what about white Q10?
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Jenny12yrs [13k\]: ya
starline [6k\]: m17 seems very  deep
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[of]CR[of]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Thoravatar [7k\]: haha ok
Thoravatar [7k\]: :D
Scribe [?\]: thisis  a bad white move o16
npk196 [14k\]: ok
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[nh]CR[nh])
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [?\]: also good for black
zee [10k\]: From last week
npk196 [14k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: white shape is very thin
npk196 [14k\]: so o16 is a bad move
]))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[DIMAS [13k?\]: P15?
krneki [9k\]: o16
moichido [14k\]: p15
janine [?\]: p15
starline [6k\]: p15
Prometheus [11k\]: p15
Brutha [7k?\]: p15 seems joseki
muesli [8k\]: attach to the stronger stone
FabienO [21k\]: i think im bad at fuseki :X
glint [11k?\]: Q14
ReeZe [14k\]: R17
Bodo212 [14k\]: p 15?
cocoon [9k\]: Q 14
Grimley [9k\]: how to continue after white m17>
glint [11k?\]: ok
zee [10k\]: W can P14 or R17
npk196 [14k\]: can we play S16?
zee [10k\]: better than O17
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Prometheus [11k\]: p15 then q17
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pc]CR[pc]LB[nd:A]TR[nc]C[zee [10k\]: O17
Scribe [?\]: white shape on top is not thin now
Scribe [?\]: difference between white o16 and o17
])
(;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [?\]: black p15 splits white cleanly without helping either white stone
]
(;B[pg]CR[pg]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: I like influence
]
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[og]CR[og]C[npk196 [14k\]: balck is better
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[starline [6k\]: seems ok
]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: no way
npk196 [14k\]: But if  white 017 alive?
glint [11k?\]: B better
TonyTiger [5k\]: black seems good
Thoravatar [7k\]: no
okhna [15k\]: bad for w
playm8 [7k?\]: i like black
janine [?\]: black is much better
akew [30k?\]: black is better
jeko [18k\]: great for black
shin04 [6k\]: b better
])
(;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[playm8 [7k?\]: i still love black
Tjalveboy [16k\]: yes, black is nice
Bodo212 [14k\]: neither
janine [?\]: too good for black
kalim [14k\]: black huge moyo
Graou [-\]: nice moyo...
rzhao [5k\]: b has huge moyo
]))
(;B[og]CR[og]C[playm8 [7k?\]: i like territory
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[cocoon [9k\]: b will type thank you
]
;B[nj]CR[nj]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: nope
kalim [14k\]: doesnt use o17 stone
npk196 [14k\]: black center is strong
playm8 [7k?\]: better for white than previously, but still, black building nicely
cocoon [9k\]: ltille bvetter for w than the previous one
glint [11k?\]: all good for B
janine [?\]: white gets more than the last pattern
kalim [14k\]: anyway to use that?
Tjalveboy [16k\]: seems pretty good for white
ST0NE [14k\]: better
Tjalveboy [16k\]: white can invade
kalim [14k\]: o17 ;0
])))
(;W[of]CR[of]C[olczyk [16k\]: P15 or Q10?
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: what about emphasizing the right side?
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: Q10 or so
]
(;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[janine [?\]: no
npk196 [14k\]: no
npk196 [14k\]: is bad for white
Brutha [7k?\]: isn't c17 overplay?
zee [10k\]: good if you like territory
spingle [10k\]: better for w
])
(;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[janine [?\]: nope, sna-san is perfectly fine
]))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[Th4n4t0s [6k\]: isnt d17 a bit better than san san ?
]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[zee [10k\]: easy for W to reduce
])
(;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Brutha [7k?\]: seems to slow
Tjalveboy [16k\]: that's bad
zee [10k\]: S16 not good
Tjalveboy [16k\]: black secures his terrotory
]))