(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50] PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playm8 [7k?\]: hi krneki [9k\]: hi kalim [14k\]: hello! gertzu [16k\]: hi:) ligo [8k\]: hello biomorph [15k\]: hi Bardock [5k\]: yes playm8 [7k?\]: yes okhna [15k\]: hi janine [?\]: hi monique [?\]: yes krneki [9k\]: yes Galerkin [9k\]: yes zviratko [12k\]: yes Jakobicek [16k\]: hi Bodo212 [14k\]: yes FabienO [21k\]: good Jenny12yrs [13k\]: hi Galerkin [9k\]: good sound thespis [6k\]: hello Brutha [7k?\]: yes zviratko [12k\]: we hear you Xanthus [12k\]: hi okhna [15k\]: nice krneki [9k\]: very good Prometheus [11k\]: hello goglu [-\]: sound better than jujo Hennuz [9k?\]: hi Hu [12k\]: Hello ^^ rakdver [14k\]: hello Sh [14k\]: hi Domme [11k\]: better mic :) Tjalveboy [16k\]: hi ted [26k?\]: nice sound .\] Uvas [-\]: hi mingjiu kolben [1k?\]: yup TonyTiger [5k\]: yes Jenny12yrs [13k\]: now janine [?\]: :P Grimley [9k\]: yes how to kill that dead group Thoravatar [7k\]: the dead shape ] ;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[dp]CR[dp] ;B[pp]CR[pp] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[pj]CR[pj] ;W[nq]CR[nq]C[aditsu [12k\]: yes now Tjalveboy [16k\]: blacks moyo erased ] (;B[jd]CR[jd] (;W[pn]CR[pn]C[cocoon [9k\]: same catastrophe as before ] ;B[np]CR[np] ;W[mp]CR[mp]C[okhna [15k\]: isnt this the same kjp [6k\]: same game ] ;B[no]CR[no]C[npk196 [14k\]: the same Scribe [?\]: L6 is vital to both players ] (;W[qq]CR[qq]C[zee [10k\]: B should block ] (;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[pq]CR[pq] ;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Tjalveboy [16k\]: scribe, that's a focal move... ] ;W[or]CR[or] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[mr]CR[mr]C[kjp [6k\]: the game is rotated ] ;B[mo]CR[mo] ;W[lp]CR[lp]C[zee [10k\]: at p3 Ives08 [8k\]: P7? ST0NE [14k\]: f3 shin04 [6k\]: p7 DiscoStu [17k?\]: q2? Domme [11k\]: c10 DIMAS [13k?\]: M5? okhna [15k\]: yes fint [?\]: o10 thespis [6k\]: l6 kuuop [?\]: l6 npk196 [14k\]: G4 kyrilin [18k\]: p7? janine [?\]: p8? starline [6k\]: l6 Harleqin [5k\]: c6 Thoravatar [7k\]: s4? cocoon [9k\]: r 17 ? Philidor [10k\]: n10 Gral [5k?\]: g3 janine [?\]: if W p8? kjp [6k\]: auch zee [10k\]: too slow ] (;B[kn]CR[kn]C[Jenny12yrs [13k\]: nn kyrilin [18k\]: ^^ Scribe [?\]: black has no choice must play L6 zee [10k\]: B must play here DrGoPlayer [5k\]: b at o7? Tjalveboy [16k\]: ah, "focal move" tomez [4k\]: can black play m5 instead of L6 ? ]) (;B[fc]CR[fc] ;W[kn]CR[kn]) (;B[nm]CR[nm]C[npk196 [14k\]: no Scribe [?\]: L6 is a seam line point between white and black moyos zee [10k\]: L6 for B is a must npk196 [14k\]: it's to slow kjp [6k\]: slow ])) (;B[oq]CR[oq]C[spingle [10k\]: no q6 is higher Scribe [?\]: black r4 is a mistake ])) (;W[oq]CR[oq] ;B[po]CR[po] ;W[qr]CR[qr] ;B[ln]CR[ln]C[Brutha [7k?\]: q3? ])) (;W[no]CR[no]) (;W[qq]CR[qq]C[npk196 [14k\]: the same at before? aditsu [12k\]: what if black plays q6 instead of k16? Scribe [?\]: And so Mingjiu prefers r3 or o5 to respond to white k16 aditsu [12k\]: I mean before ]) (;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Brutha [7k?\]: why not white d10? ]) (;W[dj]CR[dj]C[zee [10k\]: Don't play Q6 for W Scribe [?\]: Therefore Mingjiu prefers o5 and r3 for white in response to black k16 glint [11k?\]: ok zee [10k\]: R6 even worse for W Rvarde [8k\]: k4 Bodo212 [14k\]: ok olczyk [16k\]: Let us not forget ... Scribe [?\]: Xiexie Mingjiu olczyk [16k\]: homework! npk196 [14k\]: yeah npk196 [14k\]: Homework C0nd0r [20k\]: ;) Sh [14k\]: lol ])) (;B[pn]CR[pn]) (;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Grimley [9k\]: what if played with 3 players ] ;W[qq]CR[qq] (;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[pq]CR[pq]C[okhna [15k\]: third line is better ] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[nr]CR[nr] ;B[mo]CR[mo]LB[lp:B][kq:A]TR[lq]C[thespis [6k\]: even thespis [6k\]: ? Brutha [7k?\]: too good for s ]) (;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[po]CR[po] ;W[pr]CR[pr] ;B[or]CR[or] ;W[qr]CR[qr]C[npk196 [14k\]: ok ] ;B[oq]CR[oq] ;W[qn]CR[qn]TR[pd][pj]C[janine [?\]: lee chang hao's fav style Scribe [?\]: marked black stones are in wrong direction from black wall in lower right Tjalveboy [16k\]: bad ])) (;B[oo]CR[oo]C[npk196 [14k\]: L4? ]) (;B[kp]CR[kp] (;W[qq]CR[qq] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[pq]CR[pq] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[oq]CR[oq] ;B[np]CR[np] ;W[mp]CR[mp]C[zee [10k\]: good for B ] ;B[mo]CR[mo] ;W[lo]CR[lo] ;B[lp]CR[lp] ;W[mq]CR[mq] ;B[mn]CR[mn]) (;W[no]CR[no] ;B[pn]CR[pn] ;W[pr]CR[pr] ;B[qq]CR[qq]C[janine [?\]: o5, not o6 ] ;W[kr]CR[kr]LB[nm:A]C[Scribe [?\]: Mingjiu does not like L4 due to white o6 kyrilin [18k\]: good for w ST0NE [14k\]: bad for black starline [6k\]: good for w Scribe [?\]: now black L4 is floating in sea of white npk196 [14k\]: ok shin04 [6k\]: n4 without r3 GongSu [4k\]: is that not a joseki? Xanthus [12k\]: what if lower left was black? ] ;B[])) (;B[kq]CR[kq]))