(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50] PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-13]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playm8 [7k?\]: hi Uvas [-\]: hello okhna [15k\]: hello cookbook [10k\]: hello Wook [-\]: hi :) ElfeDeLune [?\]: ^^ Brutha [8k\]: hi ahau [?\]: hi Scribe [?\]: Hello you are here too ! Ranmakun1 [-\]: hi dnaigo [9k?\]: hello glint [11k?\]: hehe hi Codexus [12k?\]: hello mingjiu abbadan [12k?\]: hello Jakobicek [16k\]: hi agui [7k\]: Hello Skali [18k\]: Hello ja [8k\]: hi krneki [9k\]: hello Zanthia [18k?\]: hi Djeki [16k\]: hi arehucas [9k\]: hello Harriman [3k\]: hello Hennuz [9k?\]: hi postmanpat [9k?\]: happy rooster ming Scribe [?\]: Nihao Laohsi ihgo [7k\]: heelo fn [16k?\]: hi Miro [?\]: hello Jakobicek [16k\]: nice sound Bodo212 [13k\]: hi apitoo [4k\]: nice to hear your voice again! wrong [1d?\]: Ni hao mingjiu sifu Q [7k\]: *bow* :) Scribe [?\]: Xin nian kuai le glint [11k?\]: 恭喜发财 Uvas [-\]: good lesson Anicha [10k\]: thank you wrong [1d?\]: thank You mingjiu sifu, great lesson tmc [7k?\]: thanks futuresai [11k?\]: thx brx [14k\]: thx ja [8k\]: thanks cookbook [10k\]: i am quite lost - - "" Bodo212 [13k\]: thx olczyk [17k\]: Thank you. Uvas [-\]: yes Hennuz [9k?\]: thx Brutha [8k\]: thx ] (;B[pd]CR[pd]C[krneki [9k\]: lol abbadan [12k?\]: very good ] (;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Hu [12k\]: Happy New Year! ] ;B[pp]CR[pp] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[pj]CR[pj]) (;W[qp]CR[qp]C[arehucas [9k\]: :) ] ;B[dd]CR[dd]C[Grimley [9k\]: and we hope our go gets better ] ;W[dp]CR[dp] ;B[jd]CR[jd] ;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[dj]CR[dj]C[cookbook [10k\]: shuang fie yan ] (;W[nc]CR[nc]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: p15 dnaigo [9k?\]: p15 glint [11k?\]: 1dan at English? :P ]) (;W[nd]CR[nd]) (;W[of]CR[of]) (;W[qc]CR[qc]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: r17 Scribe [?\]: preferred moves for white here are p14 and r17 maruseru [?\]: q17 gaius [13k\]: q17! Uvas [-\]: q17 bourrette [?\]: q17 krneki [9k\]: q17 agui [7k\]: q17 dnaigo [9k?\]: why not cut p16 ] (;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[qd]CR[qd] ;B[pe]CR[pe] (;W[qe]CR[qe] ;B[og]CR[og]C[futuresai [11k?\]: if not? peterg [10k\]: q14? ]) (;W[qb]CR[qb])) (;B[qd]CR[qd]C[glint [11k?\]: Q17 the wide side ] ;W[pc]CR[pc] ;B[oc]CR[oc] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [?\]: Black must block at q17...works with k16 stone maruseru [?\]: white gets into black's framework ])) (;W[cl]CR[cl]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: r23 ] (;B[of]CR[of]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: r12?? ] ;W[qc]CR[qc] (;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Uvas [-\]: no glint [11k?\]: no Scribe [?\]: Black takes a critical point for both at P11 gaius [13k\]: nah bourrette [?\]: horrible Bardock [5k\]: no maruseru [?\]: no jarl [11k\]: no cookbook [10k\]: Q17 Anicha [10k\]: yes krneki [9k\]: no agui [7k\]: no Scribe [?\]: White has two choices S16 or O17 ] ;W[pc]CR[pc]C[jarl [11k\]: needs to protect upper side ] ;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Spon [20k?\]: yes ] ;W[ob]CR[ob] (;B[nb]CR[nb]C[kalim [13k\]: yes cookbook [10k\]: no murky [?\]: no alibaba [7k\]: worse? ] (;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [?\]: Black must not block after the white hane at s16 ] (;B[re]CR[re]C[Jakobicek [16k\]: oops ] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[pe]CR[pe]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: wow futuresai [11k?\]: :) ]) (;B[od]CR[od] ;W[re]CR[re]C[Scribe [?\]: White got larger corner ])) (;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: White r14 is too close to Black strength ] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[mb]CR[mb] ;B[pb]CR[pb] ;W[na]CR[na] ;B[qb]CR[qb]TR[of][qf]C[gaius [13k\]: bad for black? dnaigo [9k?\]: bad furikawari bourrette [?\]: k16 Scribe [?\]: trade. Good for Black per Mingjiu zee [9k\]: good for B Scribe [?\]: White r14 is wasted move Bardock [5k\]: white peterg [10k\]: b krneki [9k\]: black Klops [12k\]: white has problems on both sides agui [7k\]: for black glint [11k?\]: good 4 B maruseru [?\]: good for black Jakobicek [16k\]: black LastRonin [23k\]: black Bardock [5k\]: oh wrong [1d?\]: W has M17 aji too ])) (;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[rd]CR[rd] ;B[re]CR[re] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [?\]: Black must double hane ] ;W[pj]CR[pj]C[zee [9k\]: good for W ])) (;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [?\]: Black can also block at q17 of course Grimley [9k\]: which one is better? glint [11k?\]: which is better side 2 block in this situation? okhna [15k\]: no ] ;W[qd]CR[qd] ;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Uvas [-\]: good? ] (;W[qe]CR[qe] (;B[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [?\]: Both White r15 and r18 are playable ]) (;B[]C[gaius [13k\]: otherwise w P18 ] ;W[og]CR[og] ;B[ng]CR[ng] ;W[oh]CR[oh])) (;W[qb]CR[qb]C[okhna [15k\]: yes hard for me glint [11k?\]: clear maruseru [?\]: yes postmanpat [9k?\]: yes clear Jakobicek [16k\]: ok arehucas [9k\]: yes Scribe [?\]: Can or Should ??? jaffa [13k\]: yes ja [8k\]: yes nanomoyo [2k\]: E8? p4? bourrette [?\]: e8? gaius [13k\]: P4? arehucas [9k\]: p4 Jakobicek [16k\]: p4 godman [2k\]: e8 jantiff [6k?\]: E8 ? krneki [9k\]: p4 yfh2 [6k?\]: bottom glint [11k?\]: P4 agui [7k\]: E8 Repacse [8k\]: P3 postmanpat [9k?\]: p3 kole [5k\]: tengen :) Brutha [8k\]: why not q18? ST0NE [14k\]: f3 kalim [13k\]: p12 glint [11k?\]: P3 Hu [12k\]: K3 ja [8k\]: P4 jarl [11k\]: p3 maruseru [?\]: p4 struggler [7k\]: O3 Scribe [?\]: Black p4 inconsistent with moyo game wrong [1d?\]: it's pitty we don't have exam here :( zee [9k\]: b tenuki Bodo212 [13k\]: ok postmanpat [9k?\]: got it glint [11k?\]: got it Q [7k\]: ok kjp [6k\]: you sad that the corner was too small, if W didn't play Q18, When is the corner too smallyou sad that the corner was too small, if W didn't play Q18, When is the corner too small godman [2k\]: y maruseru [?\]: yes agui [7k\]: yes, thanks jantiff [6k?\]: all clear :) ] (;B[oh]CR[oh]C[Anicha [10k\]: no Brutha [8k\]: no agui [7k\]: yes tarragone [14k\]: open skirt Jenny12yrs [13k\]: no brx [14k\]: no Uvas [-\]: push? gaius [13k\]: Q18 >? glint [11k?\]: hmm kalim [13k\]: let white have monkey jump? ligo [8k\]: q18 ja [8k\]: Q18 Scribe [?\]: Black can not tenuki after white r15, white will build a big moyo using White p13 wrong [1d?\]: no Anicha [10k\]: clear LastRonin [23k\]: its okay ahau [?\]: clear ]) (;B[]TR[qb]C[wrong [1d?\]: easy to understand franzush [12k\]: q18 too slow? agui [7k\]: ok clear Scribe [?\]: After white r18 black should tenuki ] (;W[og]CR[og] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[re]CR[re] ;B[pg]CR[pg]C[Uvas [-\]: yay ]) (;W[ph]CR[ph] ;B[qg]CR[qg]C[yfh2 [6k?\]: easy to understand ?? :-) ] ;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Scribe [?\]: White can not play either p13 or q12 after white r18 ] ;B[qe]CR[qe]) (;W[ob]CR[ob]) (;W[pb]CR[pb])) (;B[op]CR[op]C[yfh2 [6k?\]: o3 ? murky [?\]: e8 Repacse [8k\]: K10 ? superbouhh [3k\]: horrible Jakobicek [16k\]: d10 a little too weak... ] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[df]CR[df] ;B[fd]CR[fd] ;W[dh]CR[dh]C[glint [11k?\]: mah Bodo212 [13k\]: no ST0NE [14k\]: no cookbook [10k\]: no dnaigo [9k?\]: no agui [7k\]: not for black ja [8k\]: no ]) (;B[el]CR[el]C[Dzenghis [1d\]: e8? ] ;W[cn]CR[cn]C[maruseru [?\]: i thought p4 is influence-oriented too... ] ;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [?\]: Only move for Black given his moyo game swordsplay [8k\]: where can white play now ]) (;B[ph]CR[ph]C[gaius [13k\]: c14? ndkrempel [5k\]: tenuki ja [8k\]: k4? agui [7k\]: C14 Brutha [8k\]: tenuki apitoo [4k\]: e8 dnaigo [9k?\]: s13 jantiff [6k?\]: C14 dnaigo [9k?\]: q13 bourrette [?\]: c14 or d12? hansb [2k?\]: C14 goglu [-\]: E9 Repacse [8k\]: P4 godman [2k\]: c14 ST0NE [14k\]: s12 Brutha [8k\]: d14 Repacse [8k\]: O3 cookbook [10k\]: K4 Santa [6k\]: K4 Anicha [10k\]: e 8 jarl [11k\]: c14 Dzenghis [1d\]: c14 Aristocles [11k\]: e8 abbadan [12k?\]: q 7 gogy [9k\]: r10 postmanpat [9k?\]: r12 godman [2k\]: q18 Repacse [8k\]: E9 isshoni [15k\]: q9 cookbook [10k\]: L4 atman [4k\]: answering would mean that r18 stone is useless? ja [8k\]: L4$ Uvas [-\]: p13 brx [14k\]: k4 bison [10k\]: p12 Santa [6k\]: C17 invasion? Bodo212 [13k\]: e 8 spingle [9k\]: c17 godman [2k\]: k4 jantiff [6k?\]: Q18 ?? wrong [1d?\]: please give us a clue Uvas [-\]: tell us! cookbook [10k\]: lol dnaigo [9k?\]: wyh not p17 Brutha [8k\]: why not 4 th line? ] (;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [?\]: Attack strong group of white stones ? Santa [6k\]: wrong joseki ] ;B[qh]CR[qh]C[agui [7k\]: bad for white maruseru [?\]: black can't cut white, so q12 is not good godman [2k\]: w too slow Repacse [8k\]: bad excahnge for white mysz [1d\]: 3k european Santa [6k\]: yes Uvas [-\]: yes ST0NE [14k\]: yes jantiff [6k?\]: yeah cookbook [10k\]: yeah Jakobicek [16k\]: yes kalim [13k\]: yes apitoo [4k\]: y mpu [1d\]: why not block Q18 with P18? ] (;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [?\]: Bad exchange for white Santa [6k\]: greedy white maruseru [?\]: too early kalim [13k\]: ;0 Scribe [?\]: Too early (white m17) agui [7k\]: yes gaius [13k\]: cap? swordsplay [8k\]: k17? Repacse [8k\]: L15 ? Uvas [-\]: m15 godman [2k\]: too low kjp [6k\]: you sad that the corner was too small, if W didn't play Q18, When is the corner too small zee [9k\]: M17 is bad agui [7k\]: no kalim [13k\]: give awy sente ] (;B[kc]CR[kc] ;W[le]CR[le]C[ja [8k\]: yes ] ;B[lg]CR[lg] ;W[kf]CR[kf] ;B[if]CR[if]C[isshoni [15k\]: 4d japanese go salon... ] ;W[kg]CR[kg] ;B[li]CR[li] ;W[kh]CR[kh] ;B[lh]CR[lh] ;W[ih]TR[lg][ih][lh][ph][qh][li]C[maruseru [?\]: good for black krneki [9k\]: i like black tarragone [14k\]: slow Repacse [8k\]: w has a weak group kjp [6k\]: W is running alone atman [4k\]: great for black brx [14k\]: game is over Q [7k\]: white on the run maruseru [?\]: white is just running Jakobicek [16k\]: black has almost won kalim [13k\]: left side looks nice for black Brutha [8k\]: too good for black swordsplay [8k\]: black is attacking with no purpose spingle [9k\]: b's looking good jantiff [6k?\]: not that great for black Santa [6k\]: white can link with P18? goglu [-\]: white runs in B moyo ST0NE [14k\]: white makes black bilding the molyo wrong [1d?\]: W still has C17 Santa [6k\]: 4dans? Scribe [?\]: Two 4d players apitoo [4k\]: 4d players KGS? nanomoyo [2k\]: or 4dan pro> jantiff [6k?\]: so-so hansb [2k?\]: less good for black swordsplay [8k\]: black wrong direction? agui [7k\]: soso Santa [6k\]: i think white has improved Harriman [3k\]: w has improved apitoo [4k\]: not so good as it was earlier godman [2k\]: too easy for w escape jantiff [6k?\]: not much left of black's moyo truus [3k\]: i don't like black kalim [13k\]: big left corner goglu [-\]: easy for white Santa [6k\]: around D16 maruseru [?\]: but white has a weak group agui [7k\]: no moyo Anicha [10k\]: d16 superbouhh [3k\]: r6 au2 [3k\]: c17 still open gaius [13k\]: lots of power to the right side wrong [1d?\]: nowhere... W has C17 nanomoyo [2k\]: w group not so weak superbouhh [3k\]: r6 ] ;B[pn]CR[pn]C[krneki [9k\]: attack r4 ] ;W[op]CR[op] ;B[nn]CR[nn] ;W[lp]CR[lp]C[zee [9k\]: W got J12 ] ;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[rp]TR[ih][lh][ph][qh][li][oj][pj][qj][ok][qk][ol][pl][ql][nn][pn][qo][lp][op][rp]C[Scribe [?\]: White invaded and Black's moyo is gone. White group is out. Black's wall at m11-13 and q12, r12 is hard to use, helps white truus [3k\]: too cramped Brutha [8k\]: no kalim [13k\]: yes Anicha [10k\]: no jantiff [6k?\]: not ideal direction Uvas [-\]: no ST0NE [14k\]: yes cookbook [10k\]: no agui [7k\]: no yfh2 [6k?\]: should B play from the wall ? ? godman [2k\]: too small maruseru [?\]: so what should black have done about the invasion at m17? Uvas [-\]: w corner huge Repacse [8k\]: w gets too much at the bottom yfh2 [6k?\]: but excahange favors white zee [9k\]: B moyo is gone glint [11k?\]: W better truus [3k\]: white is happy au2 [3k\]: good for w krneki [9k\]: good for white jantiff [6k?\]: inferior for black agui [7k\]: is good for white gaius [13k\]: b still has an open skirt kole [5k\]: bottom is big zee [9k\]: good for W cookbook [10k\]: w got big big corner kalim [13k\]: 24 pt ]) (;B[ke]CR[ke]C[agui [7k\]: white escapes ] ;W[jb]CR[jb] ;B[ic]CR[ic] ;W[ib]CR[ib] ;B[hc]CR[hc] ;W[hb]CR[hb] ;B[gc]CR[gc] (;W[] (;B[mb]CR[mb] ;W[lb]CR[lb] ;B[nb]CR[nb]) (;B[])) (;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[el]CR[el]C[jantiff [6k?\]: :) zee [9k\]: good for B ] (;W[cn]CR[cn]C[spingle [9k\]: lol ] ;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Brutha [8k\]: huge moyo ] ;W[dl]CR[dl] ;B[ek]CR[ek]C[Jakobicek [16k\]: big big moyo agui [7k\]: Ahhh , very nice ! jantiff [6k?\]: now that's a real moyo :) krneki [9k\]: i like black Bodo212 [13k\]: ok for B alibaba [7k\]: big FAT MOYO cookbook [10k\]: wow ]) (;W[]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: n18 ] ;B[pb]CR[pb]LB[qa:A]C[Scribe [?\]: Good for Black Scribe [?\]: now q18 is a big Black move hansb [2k?\]: S15 T12 jantiff [6k?\]: yose against 2 groups akew [27k?\]: 018 wrong [1d?\]: mingjius comments are so cheerful :) Grimley [9k\]: show us godman [2k\]: save one side will hurt one side ] ;W[] ;B[qa]CR[qa] ;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[re]CR[re] ;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [?\]: q18 has good continuation ]))) (;B[pb]CR[pb])) (;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [?\]: Black L15 results in large moyo, white lives up top small ] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mb]CR[mb] ;W[oc]CR[oc] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[mc]CR[mc])) (;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Santa [6k\]: oh ! jantiff [6k?\]: ah :) godman [2k\]: :) kalim [13k\]: ! maruseru [?\]: white has to play q18, otherwise black p18 would make white's corner too small Scribe [?\]: Black q12 is slow move ] (;B[nc]CR[nc]C[cookbook [10k\]: ic Scribe [?\]: Correct black response Jakobicek [16k\]: ok ] ;W[cf]CR[cf]TR[ph]C[Scribe [?\]: other responses let white invade too easily in top right kjp [6k\]: when is the corner to small ]) (;B[ob]CR[ob]C[agui [7k\]: very instructive! ] ;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[oc]CR[oc] ;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[oa]CR[oa]C[maruseru [?\]: er, black q18 i mean ])) (;W[]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: p18 i mean ] (;B[pb]CR[pb]) (;B[]C[Scribe [?\]: White q18 urgent, lest the corner become too small ])))))) (;B[]C[dnaigo [9k?\]: r12 ] (;W[qc]CR[qc] ;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [?\]: After Black p11, Black can block at R16 after White R17 ]) (;W[])))) (;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[dd]CR[dd] ;W[cp]CR[cp] ;B[jd]CR[jd] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[pj]CR[pj]C[bourrette [?\]: is d10 possible? wrong [1d?\]: F17 out of question? ] (;W[cc]CR[cc]) (;W[ef]CR[ef]C[zee [9k\]: W can C17 or e14 Repacse [8k\]: F17 is not seen in pro games ] (;B[fd]CR[fd] ;W[cc]CR[cc] ;B[cd]CR[cd]C[ja [8k\]: yes. thx glint [11k?\]: b16 ] ;W[bd]CR[bd]C[nanomoyo [2k\]: b16 ] ;B[dc]CR[dc]C[spingle [9k\]: f17 is bad as above ] ;W[bb]CR[bb] ;B[cb]CR[cb] ;W[bc]CR[bc] (;B[gf]CR[gf]) (;B[gg]CR[gg]TR[fe]C[agui [7k\]: yes Scribe [?\]: Black moyo is growing with g14, must not play g13 glint [11k?\]: yes wrong [1d?\]: W g14 kalim [13k\]: no connection Bodo212 [13k\]: ok postmanpat [9k?\]: so w should play d17 if bf15 Uvas [-\]: ok Uvas [-\]: homework? Hu [12k\]: Thank you for helping with fuseki! ])) (;B[fe]CR[fe]C[maruseru [?\]: strange Repacse [8k\]: creative :-) swordsplay [8k\]: disgusting gaius [13k\]: too high jantiff [6k?\]: bad balance on the side Santa [6k\]: disgusting Grimley [9k\]: hard to punnish id say agui [7k\]: E16 tarragone [14k\]: white invade... zee [9k\]: what about f15? bourrette [?\]: c17? nanomoyo [2k\]: makes f14 sente cookbook [10k\]: C17 ? Grimley [9k\]: well hard for me:) Scribe [?\]: How to punish Black f15...white takes the corner immediately at c17 ] ;W[cc]CR[cc] (;B[dc]CR[dc]C[zee [9k\]: but W is on e14 ] ;W[cd]CR[cd] ;B[de]CR[de] ;W[ce]CR[ce]LB[eg:A]TR[fe][ef]C[zee [9k\]: Joseki for B to e13 ]) (;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Grimley [9k\]: :) godman [2k\]: y agui [7k\]: yes ] (;W[dc]CR[dc]C[maruseru [?\]: because of the exchange of e14-f15 white can go into the corner and end up in a situation that's good for white ] ;B[ec]CR[ec] ;W[eb]CR[eb] (;B[fb]CR[fb]TR[fe]C[zee [9k\]: two stones are too heavy Grimley [9k\]: b16 swordsplay [8k\]: connect under kjp [6k\]: b16 Repacse [8k\]: E16 ] (;W[fc]CR[fc]C[wrong [1d?\]: those 2 W's stones are hanging out :) ] ;B[ed]CR[ed] ;W[gb]CR[gb] ;B[db]CR[db] ;W[fa]CR[fa] ;B[cb]CR[cb]TR[cf][ef]C[Brutha [8k\]: why not b16 instead of f17 Brutha [8k\]: ? agui [7k\]: yes Grimley [9k\]: where should white play next? spingle [9k\]: lol Uvas [-\]: good for who? ] ;W[jb]CR[jb] ;B[dj]CR[dj]TR[cf][ef]C[nanomoyo [2k\]: burden Uvas [-\]: not good glint [11k?\]: bad for W zee [9k\]: bad for W maruseru [?\]: the two white stones are heavy ]) (;W[ed]CR[ed] ;B[fc]CR[fc] ;W[ee]CR[ee] (;B[bc]CR[bc] ;W[bb]CR[bb] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[ab]CR[ab] ;B[ea]CR[ea] ;W[cb]CR[cb]C[zee [9k\]: this how W should punish Grimley [9k\]: cool swordsplay [8k\]: terrible for black jantiff [6k?\]: ok zee [9k\]: hard for B ]) (;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[bc]CR[bc] ;B[db]CR[db] ;W[cb]CR[cb]C[Scribe [?\]: Black corner is small ] ;B[ea]CR[ea] ;W[ae]CR[ae] ;B[ad]CR[ad] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[ac]CR[ac]C[Grimley [9k\]: good enough? ] ;W[fd]CR[fd]C[zee [9k\]: this way, W dies in the corner cookbook [10k\]: ? kole [5k\]: corner is small swordsplay [8k\]: whats going on ]))) (;B[fc]CR[fc] ;W[fb]CR[fb] ;B[gc]CR[gc] ;W[bd]CR[bd] ;B[be]CR[be] ;W[bc]CR[bc]C[glint [11k?\]: :) ] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[dj]CR[dj]C[cookbook [10k\]: no zee [9k\]: good for W ])) (;W[bd]CR[bd]C[wrong [1d?\]: one line makes such a huge difference jantiff [6k?\]: ^^ ] ;B[dc]CR[dc] ;W[bb]CR[bb] ;B[cb]CR[cb] ;W[bc]CR[bc]LB[fd:A]TR[fe]C[zee [9k\]: this is different wrong [1d?\]: B good jantiff [6k?\]: b not punished ] ;B[gg]CR[gg])))) (;W[ip]CR[ip]))) (;B[rd]CR[rd]C[cookbook [10k\]: thanks ] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[qd]CR[qd]C[agui [7k\]: very good lesson. Thanks ] ;W[qc]CR[qc] ;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[pb]CR[pb] ;B[pd]CR[pd] (;W[ob]CR[ob]C[abbadan [12k?\]: thanks ] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[aa]CR[aa] ;B[nb]CR[nb] ;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[ab]CR[ab]C[godman [2k\]: .........................happy new year ] ;B[qg]CR[qg]C[godman [2k\]: .........................happy new year Brutha [8k\]: yeah this one Ranmakun1 [-\]: yes Q [7k\]: ok :) Q [7k\]: great lesson, thanks bourrette [?\]: thx Brutha [8k\]: 3 ways Scribe [?\]: Homework from Last Week maruseru [?\]: three ways nanomoyo [2k\]: t18? olczyk [17k\]: 2 R18 T17 Bardock [5k\]: 4 Uvas [-\]: 7? maruseru [?\]: q19, r18, t17 Domme [11k\]: 5 ] ;W[]C[Brutha [8k\]: r18+t18+t17 isshoni [15k\]: r19? goglu [-\]: q18 maruseru [?\]: q19 doesn't work? goglu [-\]: q19 ] (;B[sc]CR[sc] ;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[qb]CR[qb] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[pa]CR[pa]) (;B[sb]CR[sb]C[CALVINSUN [1d\]: 3 ] ;W[sc]CR[sc] ;B[qb]CR[qb] ;W[qa]CR[qa] ;B[oa]CR[oa]) (;B[qb]CR[qb]C[CALVINSUN [1d\]: actually 4 Brutha [8k\]: works ] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[pa]CR[pa]) (;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Uvas [-\]: no maruseru [?\]: no maruseru [?\]: left of it nightrider [23k\]: why? Uvas [-\]: q not r ] ;W[pa]CR[pa]) (;B[pa]CR[pa] ;W[oa]CR[oa]C[Brutha [8k\]: no ] ;B[sc]CR[sc] (;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[qb]CR[qb]) (;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Brutha [8k\]: why not s18 instad of t18 Uvas [-\]: :( Repacse [8k\]: P19 ]))) (;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[oa]CR[oa] ;B[nb]CR[nb]C[wrong [1d?\]: in this problem Go proverb "there are always 4 ways to kill" is not valid :) ] ;W[aa]CR[aa] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[ab]CR[ab] ;B[qh]CR[qh]C[nightrider [23k\]: ? cookbook [10k\]: lol glint [11k?\]: ok thx, byee tarragone [14k\]: see you dnaigo [9k?\]: bye Bardock [5k\]: thx godman [2k\]: bye.........................happy new year ST0NE [14k\]: ok okhna [15k\]: thank you very much wrong [1d?\]: thank You arehucas [9k\]: bye Domme [11k\]: ciao Jenny12yrs [13k\]: ^_^ have a nice day Dzenghis [1d\]: tx cookbook [10k\]: thanks ST0NE [14k\]: bye Scribe [?\]: Homework....How many ways to kill this White zviratko [12k?\]: thank you, bye Codexus [12k?\]: thank you maruseru [?\]: thank you very much! Bodo212 [13k\]: thx bye wrong [1d?\]: bye-bye Q [7k\]: bye ^^ kalim [13k\]: bye! jarl [11k\]: thanks Hennuz [9k?\]: cu thx evilGOer [11k?\]: thanks ja [8k\]: thx. bye cookbook [10k\]: bye apitoo [4k\]: thx franzush [12k\]: Thank you. Bye! Spon [20k?\]: thx au2 [3k\]: thank you tarragone [14k\]: thank you Taiteki [10k?\]: thx KyuTooveli [6k\]: thanks ST0NE [14k\]: thanks isshoni [15k\]: thx bye Ranmakun1 [-\]: bye thx senpai tmc [7k?\]: thanks you agui [7k\]: See you , Thank you very much jantiff [6k?\]: see you, thank you so much ! Repacse [8k\]: thanks kalim [13k\]: thank you! Slarty [2k\]: thanks smuin [?\]: thanks Bardock [5k\]: lol au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe DrizztDo [9k?\]: see you thx spingle [9k\]: lol Spon [20k?\]: c ya CALVINSUN [1d\]: thank you Zetsumei [4d\]: Holy Jenny12yrs [13k\]: bye-bye Klops [12k\]: thanks brx [14k\]: thx patanjali0 [6k\]: thanks :) murky [?\]: thanks ])))