(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[24/360 Canadian]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-20]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Uvas [-\]: hello
ST0NE [14k\]: hello
playm8 [6k?\]: hello
silver2k4 [22k?\]: hello
olczyk [16k\]: hi
mingyaod [11k\]: hello
krneki [9k\]: hello
Hu [12k\]: Hello and THank you.
scraper [14k\]: hi
JanMa [25k?\]: hi
Chubby [?\]: hi there ;o) !
Javaness [6k\]: hi mingjiu !
hansb [2k?\]: hello
jarl [11k\]: laoshi hao
hugogogo [6k\]: hi
ratata [4k\]: hi
MysticoN [22k\]: hello :D
KungFused [8k\]: hi
patanjali0 [6k\]: hi
rakdver [14k\]: hi
spingle [10k\]: funny, i am waiting for you ;)
RedPrince [-\]: hi!
Chubby [?\]: hen hao ;o)
mandy [15k?\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Ni Hao Mingjiu!
jantiff [6k?\]: hi :)
wrong [1d?\]: Ni hao mingjiu shi-fu
agui [7k\]: Hello
Uvas [-\]: good game
kalim [13k\]: hello
fredon [16k\]: hi
KOCMOC [11k?\]: sound is perfect
hansb [2k?\]: yes
au2 [2k\]: Yes
MysticoN [22k\]: yes
mingyaod [11k\]: yes
jarl [11k\]: yes
glint [11k?\]: yes...
wrong [1d?\]: or homework?
scraper [14k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: o4r?
goglu [-\]: sure
atman [5k\]: yes please!
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
fredon [16k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes sure
Uvas [-\]: or?
patanjali0 [6k\]: sure
Chubby [?\]: lol
Scribe [?\]: good to hear that you are doing well Chubby
Javaness [6k\]: as long as it's not mine
mandy [15k?\]: yes
bungee [23k\]: :-)
spingle [10k\]: whats the alternative?
seidelin [8k\]: well...i guess
Chubby [?\]: huhu...
Scribe [?\]: Homework from last week first
patanjali0 [6k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: ok
rakdver [14k\]: yes
Aristocles [11k\]: ok
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
Nikos [19k\]: what homework
cookbook [10k?\]: ok
Grimley [9k\]: mistakes are cool
scraper [14k\]: ok
Bardock [5k\]: yes
valerian [2d?\]: nice
Grimley [9k\]: more joseki mistakes:)
glint [11k?\]: *slaps* Nikos
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[wrong [1d?\]: joseki blunders ^_^
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[spingle [10k\]: mysticon, that comma was important ;)
Nikos [19k\]: for what time is lectures from in GMT
MysticoN [22k\]: comma ?
wrong [1d?\]: 4 PM GMT
Uvas [-\]: america's funniest joseki blunders
Javaness [6k\]: i think white will make the first mistake
Scribe [?\]: no, amateur game
toktok [?\]: b15
spingle [10k\]: ;)
toktok [?\]: b15?
crabpeople [12k\]: b15?
]
(;W[ef]CR[ef])
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[MysticoN [22k\]: if white escapes black can create mojo in the middle ??
Nikos [19k\]: let b e 13
Annemarie [6k\]: c17
]
(;W[ef]CR[ef]C[crabpeople [12k\]: what about b 15?
Brutha [8k\]: you said jourself f15 was bad
Scribe [?\]: black line 13 group is splitting two white groups neither is settled
jarl [11k\]: then w has double atari
Scribe [?\]: black f16 prevents white cut at b13.  g16 does not
]
(;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Chubby [?\]: far better now
Scribe [?\]: to press black on top
Scribe [?\]: black f16 is critical move
Bonklers [4k\]: great to know
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[Nikos [19k\]: ok
cookbook [10k?\]: cool
Scribe [?\]: or on the left
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]LB[bg:A]TR[fd]C[Nikos [19k\]: how many joseki is there made?
apitoo [4k\]: d13
spingle [10k\]: yeah, thnx 
Bonklers [4k\]: i was wondering
]
(;W[dg]CR[dg]C[wrong [1d?\]: W could play E14 right after D15??????
])
(;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]C[Scribe [?\]: after black f16 white can not cut at b13
]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ag]CR[ag]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
(;W[eg]CR[eg]C[sebbie [9k\]: what if black c12 instead c11?
patanjali0 [6k\]: wow
]
;B[di]CR[di])
(;W[eh]CR[eh]C[Jonii [7k\]: Nice
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[Scribe [?\]: white must not block at e13
]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]TR[fd][gd]
;B[be]CR[be]C[jantiff [6k?\]: :(
jantiff [6k?\]: ^^
Scribe [?\]: white is dead in corner
])))
(;B[di]CR[di]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [?\]: white e14 give whtie good continuation
]
(;B[gc]CR[gc]C[Jonii [7k\]: but...
Scribe [?\]: tesuji !
Jonii [7k\]: But...
]
(;W[fb]CR[fb]C[tiger [2d\]: after E14, F17 and D12 are miai for w
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[db]CR[db]C[Scribe [?\]: this ko is too heavy for white
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [?\]: black got more than white from this exchange
])
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[Scribe [?\]: this is joseki
ST0NE [14k\]: great
jantiff [6k?\]: black is still quite low, no ?
spingle [10k\]: f17 is light?
glint [11k?\]: cool
Nikos [19k\]: is life and death best thing to study for beginner
apitoo [4k\]: this does not look too good for white?
fint [?\]: w no territory here?
Scribe [?\]: in this opening which is better black d11 or black f16 ?
atman [5k\]: is this result ok for both in this fuseki?
jantiff [6k?\]: w didn't play for territory here
Bonklers [4k\]: i like b's position
]))
(;B[fb]CR[fb]C[jantiff [6k?\]: so kosumi sets up a press on either side
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]))
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ci]CR[ci]TR[fd][gd]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ag]CR[ag]C[wrong [1d?\]: one line difference makes win or loss
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Nikos [19k\]: how to see that far?
]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[Scribe [?\]: now black must fix his shape and loses capturing race
wrong [1d?\]: and B E16 instead of D16 doesn't work
glint [11k?\]: reading & study  Nikos
hansb [2k?\]: B18
Oranje [6k\]: b18
Uvas [-\]: w dead?
]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[jantiff [6k?\]: yes cut
Scribe [?\]: Nikos do many life and death problems
Jonii [7k\]: ^^
Uvas [-\]: cool
jantiff [6k?\]: liberty gaining tesuji :)
Scribe [?\]: wow !
Deicide [-\]: this position is in many tesuji books
Nikos [19k\]: ok
]))
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[wrong [1d?\]: E14 looks strange
Chubby [?\]: humhum... just a question, a which level do u consider useful to study joseki ?
Scribe [?\]: white f15 is deviant
spingle [10k\]: c17?
]
(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[krneki [9k\]: c17?
agui [7k\]: C11
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[Nikos [20k\]: 14 kyu
Nikos [20k\]: ?
Jonii [7k\]: w plays like me?
apitoo [4k\]: black good
krneki [9k\]: b is good
Uvas [-\]: w have no base
cookbook [10k?\]: bad for white
ST0NE [14k\]: hard for white
wrong [1d?\]: W has TWO weak groups
jantiff [6k?\]: w is in trouble
swilks [6k\]: good for black
Mellonsan [12k\]: f15 is too soft
agui [7k\]: no good for white
jarl [11k\]: b split attack
nyaa [2k?\]: two weak groups
seidelin [8k\]: give up
glint [11k?\]: B spliting attack
krneki [9k\]: yes
cookbook [10k?\]: yeah
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: result is good for blakc
seidelin [8k\]: yes
swilks [6k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Brutha [8k\]: yeah
playm8 [6k?\]: fullheartedly
MysticoN [22k\]: yes
Scoob [10k\]: seems so
wrong [1d?\]: B happy
Chubby [?\]: seperated
hansb [2k?\]: F15
Jonii [7k\]: pincer?
Scribe [?\]: black top group is fine
Edge [11k\]: f15
ST0NE [14k\]: f15
wrong [1d?\]: F15 the last one
seidelin [8k\]: c11 mistake
wrong [1d?\]: it's all the matter of style
Scribe [?\]: good for black
jantiff [6k?\]: terrible for white
goyo [?\]: good for black
])
(;B[gd]CR[gd])))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [?\]: white has many options after one space low pincer
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[ce]CR[ce])
(;B[dd]CR[dd]))
(;W[fd]CR[fd])
(;W[dg]CR[dg]C[MysticoN [22k\]: ah :D
Nikos [19k\]: ok thx
])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]))