(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[24/360 Canadian]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-20]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Uvas [-\]: hello
ST0NE [14k\]: hello
playm8 [6k?\]: hello
silver2k4 [22k?\]: hello
olczyk [16k\]: hi
mingyaod [11k\]: hello
krneki [9k\]: hello
Hu [12k\]: Hello and THank you.
scraper [14k\]: hi
JanMa [25k?\]: hi
Chubby [?\]: hi there ;o) !
Javaness [6k\]: hi mingjiu !
hansb [2k?\]: hello
jarl [11k\]: laoshi hao
hugogogo [6k\]: hi
ratata [4k\]: hi
MysticoN [22k\]: hello :D
KungFused [8k\]: hi
patanjali0 [6k\]: hi
rakdver [14k\]: hi
spingle [10k\]: funny, i am waiting for you ;)
RedPrince [-\]: hi!
Chubby [?\]: hen hao ;o)
mandy [15k?\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Ni Hao Mingjiu!
jantiff [6k?\]: hi :)
wrong [1d?\]: Ni hao mingjiu shi-fu
agui [7k\]: Hello
Uvas [-\]: good game
kalim [13k\]: hello
fredon [16k\]: hi
KOCMOC [11k?\]: sound is perfect
hansb [2k?\]: yes
au2 [2k\]: Yes
MysticoN [22k\]: yes
mingyaod [11k\]: yes
jarl [11k\]: yes
glint [11k?\]: yes...
wrong [1d?\]: or homework?
scraper [14k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: o4r?
goglu [-\]: sure
atman [5k\]: yes please!
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
fredon [16k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes sure
Uvas [-\]: or?
patanjali0 [6k\]: sure
Chubby [?\]: lol
Scribe [?\]: good to hear that you are doing well Chubby
Javaness [6k\]: as long as it's not mine
mandy [15k?\]: yes
bungee [23k\]: :-)
spingle [10k\]: whats the alternative?
seidelin [8k\]: well...i guess
Chubby [?\]: huhu...
Scribe [?\]: Homework from last week first
patanjali0 [6k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: ok
rakdver [14k\]: yes
Aristocles [11k\]: ok
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
Nikos [19k\]: what homework
cookbook [10k?\]: ok
Grimley [9k\]: mistakes are cool
scraper [14k\]: ok
Bardock [5k\]: yes
valerian [2d?\]: nice
Grimley [9k\]: more joseki mistakes:)
glint [11k?\]: *slaps* Nikos
]
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Chubby [?\]: homework ? What ;o) ?
cookbook [10k?\]: yes
wrong [1d?\]: yes
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Bardock [5k\]: yes
seidelin [8k\]: i forgot
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[wrong [1d?\]: which was variation of the previous one ^_^
Chubby [?\]: what does that mean ;o)
Nikos [19k\]: my first time in lecture
seidelin [8k\]: =)
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[spingle [10k\]: sorry, i dont have it. My dog ate my computer
]
;W[na]CR[na]C[wjzz [9k\]: nikos,. welcome to martix
]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Nikos [19k\]: cheers
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[oeillet [?\]: first time I see this lecture. Is it every sunday ?
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[krneki [9k\]: yes
Jonii [7k\]: What about edit tool?
Jonii [7k\]: ^^
Nikos [19k\]: apparently
wrong [1d?\]: oh, colors were opposite :)
cookbook [10k?\]: lol
wrong [1d?\]: W to move here
MysticoN [22k\]: white to move or black ?
wrong [1d?\]: I found 2
MysticoN [22k\]: P18 is good for white
wrong [1d?\]: and 2 for ko
MysticoN [22k\]: p18
cookbook [10k?\]: 2, ko to kill?
MysticoN [22k\]: !!
playm8 [6k?\]: this is good for white :D
Scribe [?\]: How many ways can White attack Black
silver2k4 [22k?\]: p18
Javaness [6k\]: i think 2
wrong [1d?\]: I found TWO for kill
MysticoN [22k\]: p18
Uvas [-\]: 2
wrong [1d?\]: and other TWO for ko
seidelin [8k\]: one
Jonii [7k\]: 1? ^^
Chubby [?\]: t18 ?
goyo [?\]: t18
ST0NE [14k\]: t17
Edge [11k\]: t18
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[wrong [1d?\]: p18 the strongest
Chubby [?\]: hehe
wrong [1d?\]: P18 first, the same pos
Chubby [?\]: got it ;o)
kyrilin [18k\]: r18
MysticoN [22k\]: p18
wrong [1d?\]: P18 too
krneki [9k\]: p18
Bardock [5k\]: p18
agui [7k\]: r19
Chubby [?\]: one is enough 4 me
kyrilin [18k\]: r18?
]
(;W[sb]CR[sb]C[kyrilin [18k\]: yes
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[gaius [13k\]: yes
cookbook [10k?\]: yeah
wrong [1d?\]: p18
kyrilin [18k\]: r18
gaius [13k\]: S18 
Nikos [19k\]: what are stones on a left for
cookbook [10k?\]: r18
krneki [9k\]: s18
wrong [1d?\]: p18
seidelin [8k\]: s18
agui [7k\]: s18
tsuchi [7k\]: P18
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[wrong [1d?\]: P18
ratata [4k\]: p18
Scribe [?\]: T18 kills. dont let the other person get both 1-2 points in a corner
Scribe [?\]: R18 ko
])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[agui [7k\]: r19
MysticoN [22k\]: then R18
Uvas [-\]: only 2 ways?
cookbook [10k?\]: :( ok
Bonklers [4k\]: P18 R19 
krneki [9k\]: p18
MysticoN [22k\]: P18
Scribe [?\]: T18 and P18 kill, P18 is better for white
Uvas [-\]: no
Bonklers [4k\]: T18 best
MysticoN [22k\]: nah :FD
wrong [1d?\]: yupeee, I was right :)
Scribe [?\]: white outside is stronger
Scribe [?\]: as a result
MysticoN [22k\]: ^^
wrong [1d?\]: Thank You shi-fu, another homework?
Chubby [?\]: yep, i have to concede ;o)
MysticoN [22k\]: no amateur game !!
MysticoN [22k\]: homework later
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Scribe [?\]: P18 kills
Bonklers [4k\]: r19? ko?
])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[toktok [?\]: s18
Edge [11k\]: b lives
agui [7k\]: s18
krneki [9k\]: ko?
Nikos [19k\]: s18
zviratko [12k?\]: ko
]
(;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[pa]CR[pa])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Nikos [19k\]: w r 19
]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ob]CR[ob])))
(;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[wrong [1d?\]: joseki blunders ^_^
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[spingle [10k\]: mysticon, that comma was important ;)
Nikos [19k\]: for what time is lectures from in GMT
MysticoN [22k\]: comma ?
wrong [1d?\]: 4 PM GMT
Uvas [-\]: america's funniest joseki blunders
Javaness [6k\]: i think white will make the first mistake
Scribe [?\]: no, amateur game
toktok [?\]: b15
spingle [10k\]: ;)
toktok [?\]: b15?
crabpeople [12k\]: b15?
]
(;W[ef]CR[ef])
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[MysticoN [22k\]: if white escapes black can create mojo in the middle ??
Nikos [19k\]: let b e 13
Annemarie [6k\]: c17
]
(;W[ef]CR[ef]C[crabpeople [12k\]: what about b 15?
Brutha [8k\]: you said jourself f15 was bad
Scribe [?\]: black line 13 group is splitting two white groups neither is settled
jarl [11k\]: then w has double atari
Scribe [?\]: black f16 prevents white cut at b13.  g16 does not
]
(;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Chubby [?\]: far better now
Scribe [?\]: to press black on top
Scribe [?\]: black f16 is critical move
Bonklers [4k\]: great to know
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[Nikos [19k\]: ok
cookbook [10k?\]: cool
Scribe [?\]: or on the left
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]LB[bg:A]TR[fd]C[Nikos [19k\]: how many joseki is there made?
apitoo [4k\]: d13
spingle [10k\]: yeah, thnx 
Bonklers [4k\]: i was wondering
]
(;W[dg]CR[dg]C[wrong [1d?\]: W could play E14 right after D15??????
])
(;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]C[Scribe [?\]: after black f16 white can not cut at b13
]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ag]CR[ag]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
(;W[eg]CR[eg]C[sebbie [9k\]: what if black c12 instead c11?
patanjali0 [6k\]: wow
]
;B[di]CR[di])
(;W[eh]CR[eh]C[Jonii [7k\]: Nice
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[Scribe [?\]: white must not block at e13
]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]TR[fd][gd]
;B[be]CR[be]C[jantiff [6k?\]: :(
jantiff [6k?\]: ^^
Scribe [?\]: white is dead in corner
])))
(;B[di]CR[di]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [?\]: white e14 give whtie good continuation
]
(;B[gc]CR[gc]C[Jonii [7k\]: but...
Scribe [?\]: tesuji !
Jonii [7k\]: But...
]
(;W[fb]CR[fb]C[tiger [2d\]: after E14, F17 and D12 are miai for w
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[db]CR[db]C[Scribe [?\]: this ko is too heavy for white
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [?\]: black got more than white from this exchange
])
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[Scribe [?\]: this is joseki
ST0NE [14k\]: great
jantiff [6k?\]: black is still quite low, no ?
spingle [10k\]: f17 is light?
glint [11k?\]: cool
Nikos [19k\]: is life and death best thing to study for beginner
apitoo [4k\]: this does not look too good for white?
fint [?\]: w no territory here?
Scribe [?\]: in this opening which is better black d11 or black f16 ?
atman [5k\]: is this result ok for both in this fuseki?
jantiff [6k?\]: w didn't play for territory here
Bonklers [4k\]: i like b's position
]))
(;B[fb]CR[fb]C[jantiff [6k?\]: so kosumi sets up a press on either side
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]))
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ci]CR[ci]TR[fd][gd]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ag]CR[ag]C[wrong [1d?\]: one line difference makes win or loss
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Nikos [19k\]: how to see that far?
]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[Scribe [?\]: now black must fix his shape and loses capturing race
wrong [1d?\]: and B E16 instead of D16 doesn't work
glint [11k?\]: reading & study  Nikos
hansb [2k?\]: B18
Oranje [6k\]: b18
Uvas [-\]: w dead?
]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[jantiff [6k?\]: yes cut
Scribe [?\]: Nikos do many life and death problems
Jonii [7k\]: ^^
Uvas [-\]: cool
jantiff [6k?\]: liberty gaining tesuji :)
Scribe [?\]: wow !
Deicide [-\]: this position is in many tesuji books
Nikos [19k\]: ok
]))
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[wrong [1d?\]: E14 looks strange
Chubby [?\]: humhum... just a question, a which level do u consider useful to study joseki ?
Scribe [?\]: white f15 is deviant
spingle [10k\]: c17?
]
(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[krneki [9k\]: c17?
agui [7k\]: C11
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[Nikos [20k\]: 14 kyu
Nikos [20k\]: ?
Jonii [7k\]: w plays like me?
apitoo [4k\]: black good
krneki [9k\]: b is good
Uvas [-\]: w have no base
cookbook [10k?\]: bad for white
ST0NE [14k\]: hard for white
wrong [1d?\]: W has TWO weak groups
jantiff [6k?\]: w is in trouble
swilks [6k\]: good for black
Mellonsan [12k\]: f15 is too soft
agui [7k\]: no good for white
jarl [11k\]: b split attack
nyaa [2k?\]: two weak groups
seidelin [8k\]: give up
glint [11k?\]: B spliting attack
krneki [9k\]: yes
cookbook [10k?\]: yeah
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: result is good for blakc
seidelin [8k\]: yes
swilks [6k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Brutha [8k\]: yeah
playm8 [6k?\]: fullheartedly
MysticoN [22k\]: yes
Scoob [10k\]: seems so
wrong [1d?\]: B happy
Chubby [?\]: seperated
hansb [2k?\]: F15
Jonii [7k\]: pincer?
Scribe [?\]: black top group is fine
Edge [11k\]: f15
ST0NE [14k\]: f15
wrong [1d?\]: F15 the last one
seidelin [8k\]: c11 mistake
wrong [1d?\]: it's all the matter of style
Scribe [?\]: good for black
jantiff [6k?\]: terrible for white
goyo [?\]: good for black
])
(;B[gd]CR[gd])))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [?\]: white has many options after one space low pincer
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[ce]CR[ce])
(;B[dd]CR[dd]))
(;W[fd]CR[fd])
(;W[dg]CR[dg]C[MysticoN [22k\]: ah :D
Nikos [19k\]: ok thx
])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Nikos [19k\]: a is solid
Stav [7k\]: got it ^^
]
(;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
(;B[no]CR[no]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[glint [11k?\]: what rank were the last game players?
Bonklers [4k\]: same
Chubby [?\]: m4?
Chubby [?\]: oki...
]
;B[lp]CR[lp]C[Uvas [-\]: m4
]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [?\]: white j4 possible if left lower corner is white
]
;W[lr]CR[lr]C[Chubby [?\]: yes
Chubby [?\]: L4
Jonii [7k\]: w nice?
kgsPlus [3d?\]: black 2 ponnuki
Oranje [6k\]: so good for w
Chubby [?\]: W much better ;o)
kyrilin [18k\]: good for w
]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]TR[mq]C[Bonklers [4k\]: yes
swilks [6k\]: h3
Nikos [19k\]: o3
jantiff [6k?\]: tenuki
Deicide [-\]: k2
polkij [?\]: f3
Brutha [8k\]: o2
Jonii [7k\]: N2?
Uvas [-\]: j4
Bonklers [4k\]: k2?
kyrilin [18k\]: o3?
Chubby [?\]: l2
Chubby [?\]: L2
jahtobi [7k\]: F3 
scraper [14k\]: n2
goglu [-\]: k2
goyo [?\]: k2
wrong [1d?\]: O2 not good?
Scribe [?\]: joseki move
Chubby [?\]: how about L4 instead
wrong [1d?\]: so, n2 is the only left
wrong [1d?\]: but slow too
Chubby [?\]: sorry...
jarl [11k\]: l2 heavy
Bonklers [4k\]: specify move number 
Jonii [7k\]: Hmm
]
(;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[mr]CR[mr]C[glint [11k?\]: F3
hansb [2k?\]: F3
Grimley [9k\]: n1
Nikos [19k\]: g4
]
;W[fq]CR[fq]LB[hq:A][lr:B]TR[jr]C[ST0NE [14k\]: f3
braincrash [?\]: too far
nutcase [1k\]: N1 1st
Scribe [?\]: white f3 not a nice shape
Grimley [9k\]: n1 exchange
Scribe [?\]: better to have white k2 stone at h3
Jonii [7k\]: Umm
Scribe [?\]: remember treat n3 and m2 lightly
Nikos [19k\]: a solid
])
(;W[kr]CR[kr]C[Scribe [?\]: L2 is too slow, no eye shape
Chubby [?\]: no, before
])
(;W[nr]CR[nr]C[Chubby [?\]: of N4
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[mr]CR[mr]C[Scribe [?\]: again black can not cut at n2
]
(;B[or]CR[or]C[spingle [10k\]: w hasppy
Chubby [?\]: nice 4 w
wrong [1d?\]: both overconcentrated
Nikos [19k\]: godd for black
au2 [2k\]: b bad
Bonklers [4k\]: b L4 better?
Brutha [8k\]: better than k2
jantiff [6k?\]: wrong direction for black
cookbook [10k?\]: w position too low?
Oranje [6k\]: nice for w
atman [5k\]: inside not important
glint [11k?\]: B much better
wrong [1d?\]: P2 small
goglu [-\]: p2 looks slow
Deicide [-\]: black needs to pressure at J4
Oranje [6k\]: B group between w groups
])
(;B[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [?\]: white o2 is a very heavy move
jantiff [6k?\]: :)
Chubby [?\]: ouch
Bonklers [4k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: white group under severe attack
phan [24k?\]: no eye space :p
]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[ko]CR[ko]C[kyrilin [18k\]: not really
jantiff [6k?\]: D4 is happy, white heavy
wrong [1d?\]: this shape is good only in handi games ;)
]
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[Chubby [?\]: yuk
glint [11k?\]: nooo
Nikos [19k\]: pressure for w
agui [7k\]: no
ST0NE [14k\]: no
]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[jantiff [6k?\]: lol
])
(;W[jo]CR[jo]C[rzhao [5k\]: no
]
;B[jp]CR[jp])
(;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
(;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[hq]CR[hq])
(;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[js]CR[js]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[goglu [-\]: game  over
Chubby [?\]: yuk again
]))))
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[Chubby [?\]: h3
Nikos [19k\]: j3
Chubby [?\]: yes !
Jonii [7k\]: I think he meaned nstead of F3
Jonii [7k\]: instead*
]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[fq]CR[fq]C[Chubby [?\]: L2 ?
Chubby [?\]: K2
Scribe [?\]: treat n3 and m2 lightly
])
(;W[ip]CR[ip]TR[dp]C[Scribe [?\]: after black n4, white must let go of white n3
Uvas [-\]: yes
mingyaod [11k\]: yes
okhna [15k?\]: clear
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
scraper [14k\]: yes
goyo [?\]: ok
glint [11k?\]: crystal
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: yep
jantiff [6k?\]: yes !
agui [7k\]: yes very clear, thanks
goglu [-\]: if white K2, how does black respond
Nikos [19k\]: yup, i understand this level of game
])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[wrong [1d?\]: how to handle B k3 then
kyrilin [18k\]: q2?
]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[kr]CR[kr]
;W[ms]CR[ms]C[wrong [1d?\]: oh, never mind
Scribe [?\]: white can not play o3
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]))
(;B[mr]CR[mr]))
(;B[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [?\]: not joseki
wrong [1d?\]: that is kyu joseki move
jarl [11k\]: got it
mingyaod [11k\]: yes
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: thanks
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
goyo [?\]: r7
playm8 [6k?\]: works though
Scribe [?\]: black will end up under attack
scraper [14k\]: yes
playm8 [6k?\]: :p
amigo [15k\]: thx, i will never try to save that stone again ! ;))
glint [11k?\]: next
]))
(;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[Nikos [19k\]: this is great two lectures in a row
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Grimley [9k\]: yikes this looks tough
Uvas [-\]: no
okhna [15k?\]: no
ST0NE [14k\]: no
Oranje [6k\]: taisha
olczyk [16k\]: I wish I didn't/
cookbook [10k?\]: no
atman [5k\]: easy :-)
Grimley [9k\]: no
jantiff [6k?\]: part of it ;-)
glint [11k?\]: kina
jarl [11k\]: taisha is hard :)
Bonklers [4k\]: p4 next?
swilks [6k\]: of it
Scribe [?\]: The BIG slant (not the big easy)
goglu [-\]: lots of variations
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: q5
Nikos [20k\]: yes
glint [11k?\]: new move?
Nikos [20k\]: r6
wrong [1d?\]: so, this joseki has lots of bugs that can be exploited by Go hackers ^_^
Uvas [-\]: iforget if w r6
jantiff [6k?\]: very useful
kgsPlus [3d?\]: if black r6, white q5, black r5 then black keeps corner?
Jonii [7k\]: just few dozens of variatios instead of thousands. Taisha for kids ^^
goyo [?\]: interesting
Bonklers [4k\]: R5 Q5 R7 R6 S5 ?
Uvas [-\]: w r6 after b r5
jantiff [6k?\]: right :)
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[Uvas [-\]: noo
BiG [?\]: not yet
Scribe [?\]: YES!
goyo [?\]: oomorow morning
wrong [1d?\]: what one we have to learn to reach 7d
glint [11k?\]: KO workshop :)
wrong [1d?\]: YES, homework
amigo [15k\]: i know taisha by heart , but always lose in endgame !! ;)))
Nikos [20k\]: where
Nikos [20k\]:  KO
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[po]CR[po]C[Bonklers [4k\]: complicated is best
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[np]CR[np])
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Uvas [-\]: ?
Scribe [?\]: easy way to deal with the large knights move
jantiff [6k?\]: white will P5 ?
Jonii [7k\]: force*
wrong [1d?\]: taisha is studied throughout the whole career
Uvas [-\]: now r6
]
(;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qm]CR[qm])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Jonii [7k\]: can't w dorce bad shape?
]
;B[op]CR[op]C[goglu [-\]: p4
Uvas [-\]: yes
BiG [?\]: maybe we will find "taisha for dummies".... i will surely buy it
Uvas [-\]: ok
Uvas [-\]: :)
wrong [1d?\]: R5 so patient and humble
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[po]CR[po]C[BiG [?\]: oki, tks
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]LB[qn:B][oo:A]TR[qo])
(;W[oo]CR[oo]C[Nikos [20k\]: yes
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Nikos [20k\]: pateint
Nikos [20k\]: i like to bust out of tight spot
BiG [?\]: R5 is the easy variation
BiG [?\]: right ?
glint [11k?\]: homework?
]))
(;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[jq]CR[jq]LB[po:A]TR[oo]C[Scribe [?\]: also joseki
Scribe [?\]: white p5 vs q5 are both joseki
]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Bonklers [4k\]: Q5
jantiff [6k?\]: no
Nikos [20k\]: it seems good
okhna [15k?\]: leave the corner way
wrong [1d?\]: when the opponent asks for too much, punch him in the nose :)
wrong [1d?\]: so non-obvious move
]
(;W[qm]CR[qm]
(;B[po]CR[po]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[qo]CR[qo])
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[goglu [-\]: lol
goglu [-\]: comedy of errors
]
(;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Bonklers [4k\]: kyu players?
]
;B[op]CR[op]C[wrong [1d?\]: so simple moves a kyu would never think of
]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
(;B[qr]CR[qr]C[jahtobi [7k\]: O5
Uvas [-\]: new joseki
Bonklers [4k\]: n3?
Bonklers [4k\]: ok
]
(;W[mo]CR[mo])
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[qh]CR[qh]))
(;B[mn]CR[mn]C[amigo [15k\]: o5
kalim [13k\]: doesnt exploit
jantiff [6k?\]: move out and split
Jonii [7k\]: wow
]))
(;W[oo]CR[oo])))
(;W[po]CR[po]C[Nikos [20k\]: yes
Nikos [20k\]: strange
amigo [15k\]: lol
]
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Bonklers [4k\]: then Q7
Jonii [7k\]: rank is back! ^^
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Scribe [?\]: not a good position for black, black is too low and behind
])
(;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rn]CR[rn]C[GoteExpert [4k\]: Nikos: stop studying
GoteExpert [4k\]: :)
]
(;B[rm]CR[rm]C[Nikos [20k\]: ?
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [?\]: white gets large corner
atman [5k\]: there is a saying that you get 2 stones weaker when studying joseki
])
(;B[rp]CR[rp]C[hansb [2k?\]: nose tesuji
Bonklers [4k\]: r8? instead?
goglu [-\]: R8 is tesuji
]
(;W[rm]CR[rm]C[Uvas [-\]: study joseki, lose 2 stones :0
]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rl]CR[rl]C[tsukihime [12k?\]: understand +4 ^^
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[atman [5k\]: Nikos is showing us this effect :-)
])
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[jantiff [6k?\]: nose !
Bonklers [4k\]: yey
]
(;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[rm]CR[rm])
(;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[qj]CR[qj]))))))
(;B[po]CR[po]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [?\]: also joseki
]))
(;W[po]CR[po]C[Uvas [-\]: lol
Pathos [?\]: Nikos, you lost a rank during this lecture.  No good for you :)
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Nikos [20k\]: why not b r6 first
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Oranje [6k\]: isn't this wussy?
]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Bonklers [4k\]: walk ahead 
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [?\]: white at q5 prepares for white r3 to take corner
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[pi]CR[pi]LB[oo:A]TR[po]C[Nikos [20k\]: white must use wall well
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Bonklers [4k\]: ahhh!
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rq]CR[rq])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[pm]CR[pm]))
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Uvas [-\]: no
])))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[wrong [1d?\]: just to take stones and board...
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[Scribe [?\]: HOMEWORK
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[GoteExpert [4k\]: b a15?
GoteExpert [4k\]: :)
BiG [?\]: b shape on the left is not that great
glint [11k?\]: how many ways...
BiG [?\]: huhu
zviratko [12k?\]: how many ways to kill?
glint [11k?\]: 2 kill B
Uvas [-\]: to kill?
Uvas [-\]: ok
wrong [1d?\]: he he
wrong [1d?\]: kill or ko
zviratko [12k?\]: to seki maybe ^_^
cookbook [10k?\]: 2 to kill
glint [11k?\]: status problem 1st?
jarl [11k\]: yes!
hansb [2k?\]: sure
BiG [?\]: more than one
zviratko [12k?\]: yes
goglu [-\]: a lot
Jonii [7k\]: 2 found now, I think
glint [11k?\]: hehe yes
kalim [13k\]: yes!
silver2k4 [22k?\]: sure
spingle [10k\]: yeah. that are very good
rakdver [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes a lot
wrong [1d?\]: the Q is how many ways to ATTACK, not kill or...
swilks [6k\]: yes
capra [12k?\]: a lot :)
glint [11k?\]: it's great
BiG [?\]: YeS
wrong [1d?\]: great class
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
goyo [?\]: thanks a lot Sir
Uvas [-\]: thank you
olczyk [16k\]: thank you
Bardock [5k\]: yes
swilks [6k\]: thank you.
mandy [15k?\]: thanks
Bardock [5k\]: thx
amigo [15k\]: bye, thx
okhna [15k?\]: thank you very much
GoteExpert [4k\]: thanks
apitoo [4k\]: thx
pinguin [22k\]: thanks
Bonklers [4k\]: w turn?
glint [11k?\]: thx Mingjiu, Scribe :)
oeillet [?\]: thanks
jarl [11k\]: thank you!
bluesmurf [-\]: thank you
rakdver [14k\]: thank you
seif [7k?\]: thank you
jkk [17k\]: thank you
mandy [15k?\]: bye
Zwabber [17k\]: thanks
evilGOer [11k?\]: thanks
Bonklers [4k\]: or b turn?
Spon [19k?\]: bye
scraper [14k\]: thank you
lazy [?\]: 5?
jantiff [6k?\]: thanks teacher, foundation
Q [-\]: thanks! bye
kgsmonkey [7k?\]: thank you =)
bolbi [11k\]: thank you :-)
agui [7k\]: Thank you too for your lesson
capra [12k?\]: thank you
jeko [17k\]: great teacher
BiG [?\]: zaijian!!
Spon [19k?\]: thx
cookbook [10k?\]: thanks
Nikos [20k\]: you welcome
nigulh [24k\]: thank you
Aristocles [11k\]: thanks
wrong [1d?\]: Xie xie shi-fu
kirschi [18k\]: thx
JanMa [25k?\]: thx
Scribe [?\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation and to Mingjiu laoshi
au2 [2k\]: thanks Mingjiu
Jonii [7k\]: Thank you sensei ^^
hansb [2k?\]: thank you
kalim [13k\]: buh bye!
glint [11k?\]: take car, bye
GuLOOM [5k\]: thank you
Bardock [5k\]: THANKS TO ING GO FOUNDATION!
Keido [15k?\]: thx
gofan [?\]: thanks
cookbook [10k?\]: byebye
Ermac [9k?\]: thanks for the lecture
Nikos [20k\]: god bless
Scribe [?\]: Xiexie laoshi
wrong [1d?\]: Zai jian
scraper [14k\]: bye
spingle [10k\]: lol, thankyou mingjiu
Spon [19k?\]: c ya
ratata [4k\]: thanks, bye
agui [7k\]: See you next week
Scribe [?\]: zaijian
okhna [15k?\]: bye
agui [7k\]: bye
Jonii [7k\]: See you sensei
jarl [11k\]: bye
rzhao [5k\]: bye
monchacha [10k\]: bye
gofan [?\]: bye
playm8 [6k?\]: bye
Ermac [9k?\]: bye
playm8 [6k?\]: thx
wrong [1d?\]: arigatou gozaimashita
tubro [28k?\]: Thanks
au2 [2k\]: bye bye
]))