(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-02-27]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[janine [12k\]: hui
janine [12k\]: hi
Lilltiger [13k\]: hi
hansb [2k?\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: hi
patanjali0 [7k\]: hi
ibo2go [17k\]: hello 
noel [15k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
janine [12k\]: yes
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: god
kirschi [18k\]: hi
gogy [9k\]: hi
ligo [8k\]: sound good
patanjali0 [7k\]: sound ok
suducodu [?\]: Hi, ppl :P
noel [15k\]: yes fine
ibo2go [17k\]: souznd is fine
Kezaar [20k\]: hello :)
Bardock [5k\]: good
wingnut [-\]: hi, hear u fine hx
Ekei [14k\]: ok
jramon [14k\]: yes
Lilltiger [13k\]: the sound works better then ever
kalim [13k\]: Hello!
Scribe [?\]: ni hao guo juan
Drum24 [12k\]: hi
Sumo [7k\]: hi
Bardock [5k\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: hi
kalim [13k\]: yes, he is a great teacher
suducodu [?\]: there are alot of ppl here :P
suducodu [?\]: I was never here :P
Drum24 [12k\]: hail to the ing baby :)
suducodu [?\]: ^_^
suducodu [?\]: :O
suducodu [?\]: How do you do that?
Uvas [-\]: ok
patanjali0 [7k\]: nice
Scribe [?\]: Today: Basic Shapes
janine [12k\]: ok
murky [?\]: Great
Scribe [?\]: Fundamental Shapes
suducodu [?\]: Hi, murky, it's your daughter!
suducodu [?\]: ^_^
]
;AW[pc][qe][qh][jp][nq]AB[qj][pn][pp]TR[qj][qk][ql][qm][pn][pp]C[Sekimoto [17k\]: cant hear clearly
murky [?\]: Hi, there
murky [?\]: :-)
noel [15k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
hansb [2k?\]: yes
Masa2000 [12k\]: yeah
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: sure
patanjali0 [7k\]: every now and then
suducodu [?\]: Okay...:P
wingnut [-\]: sekimoto, turn ur sound up, sound is OK here
kalim [13k\]: fuseki?
murky [?\]: Pay attention to the teacher
Scribe [?\]: Black stones form a Basic Shape...this shape occurs frequently in games with star point openings
suducodu [?\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: after Black r8, black's territory per stone is small. not interesting to invade. same for q9
Ekei [14k\]: when no stone on r12
Anicha [10k\]: what id black has Q7 instead of Q6?
Lilltiger [13k\]: tenuki =)
Anicha [10k\]: what if
Uvas [-\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes , miai
suducodu [?\]: so, there's no way to defend?
ibo2go [17k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
patanjali0 [7k\]: ok
hansb [2k?\]: miai
GralAnibal [10k\]: ok
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: so defending is too slow?
Anicha [10k\]: Q7 instead of Q6? what happens?
Scribe [?\]: NO hurry to invade the Black framework.  It can be entered at two places: r8 and r3 
Uvas [-\]: what if no w r12?
srosen [?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: white invasion is not urgent
hansb [2k?\]: NO R12
Uvas [-\]: but if not?
gogy [9k\]: how would you defended after w r8
Grimley [9k\]: what if its not there
Scribe [?\]: This invasion depends upon White having a stone at R12 ???
Sekimoto [17k\]: without r12
wingnut [-\]: if no W R12, the invasion will not work
Uvas [-\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: ok
]
(;B[dd]CR[dd]C[murky [?\]: Crystal, Keep quite
Scribe [?\]: This invasion depends upon White having a stone at s12 ???
Anicha [10k\]: thanks
wingnut [-\]: ok
blue88 [17k\]: whats b best response to s12 than?
weakguest [?\]: if b has p10?
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: how should b defend now?
Chees [7k?\]: but black doesnt need t11 if he knows that white can live inside anyway right?
]
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[suducodu [?\]: Black is once again deadies :P
janine [12k\]: ok
jantiff [6k?\]: at R12 yes
jantiff [6k?\]: of course
kalim [13k\]: what aboyt r7?
srosen [?\]: yes
]
(;B[pl]CR[pl]C[fint [?\]: thx wrong
Scribe [?\]: This invasion depends upon White having a stone at s12 ???
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: agree
Bardock [5k\]: yes
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: yes!
scraper [15k\]: yes
Ekei [14k\]: yup
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
weakguest [?\]: so what shoudl b do?
Riku [3k\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: it looked like you couldn't live...
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
(;B[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [?\]: Not hard for white to invade bettween black r9 and q6
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[flogo [3k\]: stop the river !!
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[suducodu [?\]: Okays ^_^
MysticoN [21k\]: R6 ?
agui [7k\]: q9
suducodu [?\]: r7
hansb [2k?\]: push thru
Anicha [10k\]: q9
wingnut [-\]: r5?
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[ok]CR[ok]TR[oj][ol]C[suducodu [?\]: cuts!!!
flogo [3k\]: s10 ?
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[ri]CR[ri]C[Riku [3k\]: 10s
GoteExpert [5k\]: kill :)
flogo [3k\]: no
Bardock [5k\]: no
flogo [3k\]: shicho
suducodu [?\]: Black is deadies :D
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[wingnut [-\]: no
Ekei [14k\]: no
ibo2go [17k\]: no
suducodu [?\]: I dun know :P
silver2k4 [17k?\]: s9
Ekei [14k\]: s9
agui [7k\]: p10
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: p8
srosen [?\]: S9
]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[suducodu [?\]: s9
wingnut [-\]: p10
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: p10
hansb [2k?\]: P10
Hennuz [9k?\]: p0
Riku [3k\]: 10p
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[ol]CR[ol]C[suducodu [?\]: p10
]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[suducodu [?\]: right...:P
Scribe [?\]: black destroyed
Anicha [10k\]: befor s 1o is p 10 possible?
])
(;W[ol]CR[ol]C[Anicha [10k\]: before s10 is p 10 possible?
Scribe [?\]: black s11 overplay
]
(;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[Chees [7k?\]: wow
janine [12k\]: yeah
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Sekimoto [17k\]: ho
suducodu [?\]: mmm hmm :P
weakguest [?\]: does it not depends on the rest of the board?
Jakobicek [14k\]: nasty
])
(;B[qi]CR[qi]))))
(;B[pk]CR[pk]C[suducodu [?\]: oh...now i see it! :P
]
(;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[olczyk [16k\]: What about t12 instead of t11?
]
(;B[rk]CR[rk]C[MysticoN [21k\]: yes
hansb [2k?\]: no
blue88 [17k\]: nope
suducodu [?\]: Then isn't white dead?
Puffie [12k\]: no
janine [12k\]: no
MysticoN [21k\]: :D
noel [15k\]: i think its a bit unsecure
Scribe [?\]: Black can not make this hane
Sekimoto [17k\]: hehe
Scribe [?\]: it is overplay
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[suducodu [?\]: Oh, i see, there's a double atari :P
kalim [13k\]: ah double
])
(;B[ri]CR[ri]C[suducodu [?\]: what's an overplay?
]
;W[rk]CR[rk]C[weakguest [?\]: suducodu, a move which can be punished
MysticoN [21k\]: when u play unessesary moves
]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[suducodu [?\]: Oh, okay :P
]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[si]CR[si]C[Scribe [?\]: important forcing move for white at s12
]
;W[rn]CR[rn]C[Scribe [?\]: white s6...try to live
]
;B[ro]CR[ro]C[MysticoN [21k\]: hm
blue88 [17k\]: whites gonna die
au2 [2k\]: yes
Sekimoto [17k\]: hm
suducodu [?\]: Umm...i think white will die :P
MysticoN [21k\]: I think too
janine [12k\]: don't think so
jantiff [6k?\]: easy life
]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[suducodu [?\]: white is like dead... :P
MysticoN [21k\]: T10
MysticoN [21k\]: black
wrong [1d?\]: after W t10 p8 is a threat
suducodu [?\]: Oh, wait, maybe white is alive :P
Drum24 [12k\]: i dont get any sound
Puffie [12k\]: my audio is gone
hansb [2k?\]: no audio?!
okhna [14k?\]: ?
Ekei [14k\]: me too
Sekimoto [17k\]: o
silver2k4 [17k?\]: no audio
atman [5k\]: q7, r6
MysticoN [21k\]: there
Uvas [-\]: now
suducodu [?\]: Rut ro :P
janine [12k\]: ok now
Jakobicek [14k\]: ok
Jael [13k?\]: thats ok now
hansb [2k?\]: ok
patanjali0 [7k\]: audio is back
silver2k4 [17k?\]: i hear
okhna [14k?\]: sound is back
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: hear you
kirschi [18k\]: yesnow
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: yes
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[suducodu [?\]: Yep:P
]
;W[sl]CR[sl]C[srosen [?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: easy life for White
Jael [13k?\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
okhna [14k?\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: right
gogy [9k\]: yes
MysticoN [21k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: No...
hansb [2k?\]: yes
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes
Anicha [10k\]: yes
janine [12k\]: alive
agui [7k\]: yes
mandy [15k?\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
Sumo [7k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: no
kalim [13k\]: miai
]))
(;W[qo]CR[qo]C[offtosea [16k\]: alive
suducodu [?\]: Rut ro, black is dead :P
]
;B[po]CR[po]
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pl]CR[pl]C[suducodu [?\]: I still think no, cause that was a fake eye...
]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[ri]CR[ri]C[Scribe [?\]: White forcing move at r5 to make larger life
]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[oj]CR[oj]C[janine [12k\]: wow
Scribe [?\]: and split Black
])
(;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[MysticoN [21k\]: Ive seen a fuseki wheres its played 3-3 and 5-5 afterwards
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
(;W[rh]CR[rh]C[suducodu [?\]: What?
Scribe [?\]: White lives and forces many cutting points into Black's shape
]
;B[si]SQ[rh][si]C[suducodu [?\]: Oh, i kinda see...
fint [?\]: why not black t10?
wrong [1d?\]: t10 bad
]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[MysticoN [21k\]: very good actually
franzush [12k\]: why S12?
wrong [1d?\]: 'cause of P7-p9
Scribe [?\]: Exchange of white s12 for black t11, helps white corner greatly
janine [12k\]: ok
])
(;W[rm]CR[rm])))))
(;AB[oj]C[srosen [?\]: yes
Masa2000 [12k\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes sure
weakguest [?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yo
murky [?\]: Yes,
]
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [?\]: Still possible to invade 
]
;B[ol]CR[ol]C[Scribe [?\]: little more compilicate
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
(;B[po]CR[po]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[olczyk [16k\]: How does black dfend before the invasion and after the invasion?
]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[alissts [?\]: impressive:)
Riku [3k\]: no
]
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[janine [12k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Chees [7k?\]: wohwohwoh
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[weakguest [?\]: ohh okay..
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[noel [15k\]: :)
]
(;W[rm]CR[rm]C[flogo [3k\]: if black resonds Q9  instead of P8  ?
janine [12k\]: wow
Sekimoto [17k\]: no
Masa2000 [12k\]: oh
noel [15k\]: no
weakguest [?\]: no
suducodu [?\]: no...
noel [15k\]: what about s12?
flogo [3k\]: but if blanc q9 instead of p8 ?
flogo [3k\]: black*
Anicha [10k\]: can white play s4
Sekimoto [17k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: agree
srosen [?\]: yes
janine [12k\]: yes
Jael [13k?\]: ok
noel [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes 
Anicha [10k\]: instead of s 7
Jakobicek [14k\]: yup
suducodu [?\]: agreed :P
scraper [15k\]: yes
weakguest [?\]: yes but requires a certain order and might need a tesuji :)
suducodu [?\]: like me :P
wrong [1d?\]: this is what pros use in handi games ^_^
suducodu [?\]: i have a question 
alissts [?\]: s12 before s7????
noel [15k\]: yes
])
(;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[suducodu [?\]: what if black has r8?
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: should b defend the shape before invasion?
]))
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[flogo [3k\]: yep
]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[weakguest [?\]: yes..
]))
(;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[suducodu [?\]: Can black prevent the invasion?
kalim [13k\]: what about r7?
hansb [2k?\]: what about black Q9, iso P8?
]
(;B[pj]CR[pj])
(;B[ok]CR[ok])))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[ro]CR[ro]C[weakguest [?\]: yes same sequence :)
]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[flogo [3k\]: S3 
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[suducodu [?\]: What if black has r8?
janine [12k\]: ok
]))
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [?\]: corner still open....large reduction by White
Sekimoto [17k\]: ya
])
(;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[ri]CR[ri]C[Jakobicek [14k\]: yes
]
(;B[fc]CR[fc]
(;W[qk]CR[qk]C[Scribe [?\]: White s11 is sente
]
;B[rl]CR[rl]C[weakguest [?\]: or clap...
kalim [13k\]: if white r8, what if black response with r7?
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[pl]CR[pl])
(;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[sk]CR[sk]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rm]CR[rm]TR[oj]C[Scribe [?\]: White cut at r9 gets white the outside
suducodu [?\]: How can black prevent the invation?
]))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]TR[qk][rl][sl][qm][rm][sm]C[Scribe [?\]: White clamp at s8 takes edge and makes p10 a wasted move
])))
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Uvas [-\]: what if no w r12?
]))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[suducodu [?\]: Yep
blue88 [17k\]: it looks too slow
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Lilltiger [13k\]: sansan
hillmonkey [16k\]: DrGoPlayer [5k\]: should b defend the shape before invasion?
suducodu [?\]: Can it be destroyed?
wrong [1d?\]: then beter would be B r9 instead of r10
hansb [2k?\]: What if Black plays Q9 iso P8?
flogo [3k\]: whay about black q9 instead of p8 ? ...
suducodu [?\]: Oh, okay :P
])
(;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[flogo [3k\]: no
janine [12k\]: ok
])
(;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[okhna [14k?\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: clear
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
janine [12k\]: yes
FabienO [18k\]: yup
gustgr [26k?\]: yes
okhna [14k?\]: w is able to live
srosen [?\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: yes :P
scraper [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes very clear, thanks
Anicha [10k\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: true
Jakobicek [14k\]: yup
wrong [1d?\]: this is what makes 19x19 board perfect^^
]
(;AW[kc][cf][dj]AB[ic][dd][fd]TR[gc][hc][ic][dd][fd]C[Scribe [?\]: White must be able to live after the invasion or r8
GralAnibal [10k\]: good
Scribe [?\]: NEW SHAPE top left
MysticoN [21k\]: G17 ?
Scribe [?\]: Black stone at j17 one line close than Black stone at r10
suducodu [?\]: hmm...
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[MysticoN [21k\]: white invade g17 and C16
Scribe [?\]: Nolonger easy for White to invade the top
]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[isshoni [13k\]: e17 probe first?
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bc]CR[bc])
(;W[dp]CR[dp]C[suducodu [?\]: umm...yeah??
oeillet [9k\]: agree
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [?\]: White needs to play 3x3 immediately
IvoH [20k?\]: how should black defend against such invasions?
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Scribe [?\]: White 3x3 is Urgent
noel [15k\]: yes
MysticoN [21k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
]))
(;AB[ic][dd]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[suducodu [?\]: XP
Chees [7k?\]: maybe you can say it in chinese and someone here can translate
suducodu [?\]: i can translate! :P
patanjali0 [7k\]: everybody understands i suppose
koichi [19k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
Sekimoto [17k\]: ya
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
Hu [12k?\]: Yes,
scraper [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
janine [12k\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
Bodo212 [13k\]: yes
koichi [19k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: umm...yeah
bolbi [11k\]: yes guo speaks very fine
doughboy [?\]: ja
okhna [14k?\]: less move more territory is the best
Scribe [?\]: Principle: If only one move needed to complete a territory, time to invade
wrong [1d?\]: the result of the game depends who makes more points per less moves
srosen [?\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: yes, but what if it was alot of moves but in sentai?
noel [15k\]: yes
Bodo212 [13k\]: sure
agui [7k\]: yes
janine [12k\]: yeah
scraper [15k\]: yes, cool
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[suducodu [?\]: X_X i think i get it 
kalim [13k\]: close enough ;0
okhna [14k?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
Ersatz888 [15k\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: es
blue88 [17k\]: we feel what you mean ^^
Hu [12k?\]: Yes, you are clear, thanks.
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[au2 [2k\]: good
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[weakguest [?\]: :)
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[Scribe [?\]: common pro sequence
hansb [2k?\]: efficient
])
(;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [?\]: Last moment to invade before the Black territory hardens
Uvas [-\]: yes
janine [12k\]: yes
koichi [19k\]: yes
hansb [2k?\]: clear
scraper [15k\]: yes
Bodo212 [13k\]: clear
hansili [10k?\]: yes
franzush [12k\]: you are *very* clear!
brx [13k\]: shuold B block c17 at c16 or d17?
Jakobicek [14k\]: yes
Hu [12k?\]: Yes, clear, you explain well.
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: well done!
wingnut [-\]: u r doing good
GralAnibal [10k\]: I understand
Sekimoto [17k\]: roger
alissts [?\]: clear;)
suducodu [?\]: yes...
janine [12k\]: very clear
oeillet [9k\]: its fine
jramon [14k\]: all clear
wrong [1d?\]: clear
MysticoN [21k\]: D4 stone is doing nothing if he moves B16
kalim [13k\]: you are a great explainer!
Hu [12k?\]: Your English is good.
agui [7k\]: It's very clear
suducodu [?\]: your good :P
Ersatz888 [15k\]: your english is great!
patanjali0 [7k\]: clear but what is blacks best defense?
koichi [19k\]: your english is very clear np
GralAnibal [10k\]: :-)
MysticoN [21k\]: black should worry lower left
koichi [19k\]: 5/5
suducodu [?\]: you could say it in chinese first 
brx [13k\]: should B block c17 at c16 or d17?
koichi [19k\]: ^^
Hu [12k?\]: Nothing to worry about, it happens to the best of us too ^^
wrong [1d?\]: ya, chinese is easier for expressing Go ideas than english of course
weakguest [?\]: it's fine..
Lilltiger [13k\]: How big is that invasion? if white dosent play sansan, will black always play b16 in the fuseki?
suducodu [?\]: whats a fuseki?
janine [12k\]: ok
blue88 [17k\]: opening
syu0906 [?\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: isn't that joseki?
okhna [14k?\]: clear
Uvas [-\]: no
MysticoN [21k\]: no
srosen [?\]: no
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Hu [12k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Joseki
patanjali0 [7k\]: clear
Wook [-\]: For explanation of basic terms, please go to http://senseis.xmp.net
hansb [2k?\]: clear
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: YES CELAR
Chees [7k?\]: no thats kai shi ju
janine [12k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: thx
Wook [-\]: hu :)
srosen [?\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: is fine
Ekei [14k\]: yeah
BeLO [10k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: clear thank you
janine [12k\]: very clear
Hennuz [9k?\]: yes thx
MysticoN [21k\]: joseki is local territory which is good for both 
janine [12k\]: thanks
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yes
evilGOer [11k?\]: thanks
GralAnibal [10k\]: pls dont ask go term here, check senseis lybrary, thx
Bardock [5k\]: thx
suducodu [?\]: i think i get it
Bodo212 [13k\]: thanks
Chalx [5k\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: joseki = ding shi
silver2k4 [17k?\]: thank you
brx [13k\]: should B block at c16 or d17??????? 
Scribe [?\]: fuseki = bu ju
Hu [12k?\]: Thank you, guojuan and Ing.
wrong [1d?\]: oh, got to setup positon for the homework
BeLO [10k\]: there's REALLY no way for white to invade in the upper left corner ?
moh [12k\]: 谢谢
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Uvas [-\]: ok
koichi [19k\]: Thanks 
au2 [2k\]: THANKS SCRIBE
Kezaar [20k\]: thx
suducodu [?\]: how do you save it?
Ersatz888 [15k\]: how do you save the games?
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(;W[dj]CR[dj])))
(;AE[qh]C[Uvas [-\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: Yep
Uvas [-\]: ok
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;B[dd]CR[dd]
(;W[qh]CR[qh])
(;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Scribe [?\]: NOW totally different without White R12
Uvas [-\]: ok
GralAnibal [10k\]: ok
scraper [15k\]: ok
Sekimoto [17k\]: k
suducodu [?\]: ok
hansb [2k?\]: OK
suducodu [?\]: :P
Jakobicek [14k\]: ok:)
GoteExpert [5k\]: not ok
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