(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-02-27]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Grimley [9k\]: yes:)
Jonii [7k\]: ^^
Uvas [-\]: yes
blue88 [17k\]: re
janine [12k\]: yes
au2 [2k\]: yes
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Hennuz [9k?\]: yes thx
Scribe [?\]: Yes fine
noel [15k\]: fine yes
wrong [1d?\]: ok
Ekei [14k\]: yeah
noel [15k\]: :)
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes
Sekimoto [17k\]: here we are
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: lol
janine [12k\]: :)
Lilltiger [13k\]: =)
kalim [13k\]: ;0
silver2k4 [17k?\]: ^_^
franzush [12k\]: wlecome back!
]
;AW[kc][nc][dd][qk][cn][qn][cp][dq][eq]AB[pc][pd][qi][ep][fp][jp][qp][fq][pq]C[playm8 [6k?\]: hello :)
Lilltiger [13k\]: eaven Go pros are human =)
wingnut [-\]: no problem
Jakobicek [14k\]: hi:)
janine [12k\]: no worries
Hu [12k?\]: No problem, these things happen ^^
GrandYan [7k\]: Where are you now? :)
janine [12k\]: lol
wrong [1d?\]: Edo period pros didn't have problems like this^^
hansb [2k?\]: P6 
Scribe [?\]: Black to Play Problem
guojuan [5p\]: BLACK TO PLAY
flogo [3k\]: s7 -s8
MysticoN [21k\]: P6 ?
Ekei [14k\]: p 10
gogy [9k\]: q7
GoteExpert [5k\]: how strong is black?
wrong [1d?\]: depends
blue88 [17k\]: q10?
hansb [2k?\]: bP6, wP9, bP11
playgo [4k\]: Q8 
fint [?\]: p 10
alissts [?\]: s8?
Uvas [-\]: p11
au2 [2k\]: Q7
Ameise [8k\]: Q7
raistlin [10k\]: p6
patanjali0 [7k\]: s7
Masa2000 [12k\]: s8
Scribe [?\]: How to Attack White r6 and r9 ?
weakguest [?\]: lol @ gote expert
wrong [1d?\]: s7-8 takes the base
agui [7k\]: p11
MysticoN [21k\]: p6 makes lower territory safe too
momotarou [15k?\]: s8 ?
nyaa [3k?\]: r8
flogo [3k\]: S7
wrong [1d?\]: but center is more important here
janine [12k\]: R8 ?
jantiff [6k?\]: P6... or Q8 ?
isshoni [13k\]: q10?
wrong [1d?\]: I think
bolbi [11k\]: S7 
wingnut [-\]: P10  Q8  Q7 
Uvas [-\]: p11
olczyk [16k\]: Shouldn't black defend top first. Otherwise counter attack/
nothingman [?\]: P10 
wrong [1d?\]: around P6 probably
plonk [22k\]: k16
amigo [14k\]: r8+
FLgator [5k\]: P11
blue88 [17k\]: upper left
Scribe [?\]: s7 and s8 are killing moves not attacking move
]
(;B[oj]CR[oj]C[wrong [1d?\]: or Q7
janine [12k\]: ok
]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[ol]CR[ol]TR[qg]C[smudge [12k?\]: nice white shape
Jakobicek [14k\]: hehe
Scribe [?\]: White little Bunker
Scribe [?\]: strong position
wrong [1d?\]: right-angle trapesoidal shape^^
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]TR[oj]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [?\]: While Black has weakness above r12, p11
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [?\]: Black top right not efficient
blue88 [17k\]: what about reverse attack?
])
(;B[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [?\]: Good move
GralAnibal [10k\]: dont attack from weak position
]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[oi]CR[oi]C[Scribe [?\]: Black p6 induces white to make Black defend the top right
srosen [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
Jakobicek [14k\]: yup
scraper [15k\]: yes clear
janine [12k\]: yes
momotarou [15k?\]: yes
nomanasseh [4k\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: clear 
])
(;B[rl]CR[rl]C[momotarou [15k?\]: so too early
patanjali0 [7k\]: ok
momotarou [15k?\]: ok
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rm]CR[rm]C[Scribe [?\]: Black s8 and s7 can be very dangerous for White when White is isolated
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[rn]CR[rn]LB[sl:A][sm:B][sn:C]C[wrong [1d?\]: B can make more points in the center, so should cut off W from the center
Masa2000 [12k\]: i see
]
;W[ml]CR[ml]LB[qg:A][mp:B]C[Scribe [?\]: otherwise White gets stronger and runs easily
])
(;B[rm]CR[rm]TR[lj][oj][jk][mp]C[playgo [4k\]: both bad
Uvas [-\]: i dunno
nyaa [3k?\]: bad
agui [7k\]: bad
BeLO [10k\]: bad
paulinho [10k\]: i tink not yet
ArCosH [3k\]: bed move
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: drive w into b area
Jonii [7k\]: weird move?
Hu [12k?\]: R11 weak
ibo2go [17k\]: bad
paulinho [10k\]: constry w center?
nyaa [3k?\]: weakens b moyo
Masa2000 [12k\]: good
jantiff [6k?\]: short sighted move
Lilltiger [13k\]: whit will run and destry the black moyo
scraper [15k\]: helps white connect
Bardock [5k\]: crawling
srosen [?\]: black weak on both sides
jahtobi [7k\]: white gets strong
MysticoN [21k\]: becuase of the R9 stone
agui [7k\]: white has the center open
MysticoN [21k\]: vad
MysticoN [21k\]: bad
GrandYan [7k\]: Common attack....
Slarty [2k\]: W wants strength
smudge [12k?\]: sometimes a good move
wingnut [-\]: gouge base, make W strong on the outside
])
(;AB[qf]C[MysticoN [21k\]: p9 ?
GuLOOM [5k\]: r7
wingnut [-\]: shoulder hit?
BeLO [10k\]: Q8
Scribe [?\]: Add a Black stone at r14...Now what is the best way to attack ?
GoteExpert [5k\]: p6, q6
blue88 [17k\]: o6?
Jakobicek [14k\]: impressive
babubomb [10k\]: so, can we go q8, if we dun have r14
]
(;B[ok]CR[ok]C[hansb [2k?\]: Q8
]
;W[on]CR[on]C[jantiff [6k?\]: Q7 ?
]
;B[mp]CR[mp]C[Scribe [?\]: Add a Black stone at r14...Now what is the best way to attack ?
])
(;B[pl]CR[pl]C[GrandYan [7k\]: P10
Scribe [?\]: Black potential is on the bottom 
okhna [14k?\]: q7
Hu [12k?\]: ^^
jantiff [6k?\]: nice technique
wrong [1d?\]: if u want to attack west, go to the east first
Uvas [-\]: yes
GralAnibal [10k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: clear
BlueJays [?\]: is anything white can do?
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
Bodo212 [13k\]: nice thx
Sekimoto [17k\]: yes
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yes
jantiff [6k?\]: can white resist by jumping ?
weakguest [?\]: can't w ressist?
janine [12k\]: can white resists?
murky [?\]: Thank you
GralAnibal [10k\]: proverb "if you want the lef go to the right"
okhna [14k?\]: thank  you very much
janine [12k\]: ok
Bardock [5k\]: thx
olczyk [16k\]: Thank you
noel [15k\]: thank you
Uvas [-\]: bye
tthaav [30k?\]: thanks
BlueJays [?\]: thx
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: w needs to move first
oeillet [9k\]: thank you
wingnut [-\]: thx :) bye
babubomb [10k\]: thank you
Sumo [7k\]: ะ้ป
srosen [?\]: thx
blue88 [17k\]: thx a lot
raistlin [10k\]: byebye
Hennuz [9k?\]: thx
silver2k4 [17k?\]: thank you
nomanasseh [4k\]: thank you
BeLO [10k\]: Thanks a lot !!!
kirschi [18k\]: thx
Zwabber [17k\]: thx
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [?\]: not to the top right
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[janine [12k\]: ok
]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [?\]: Middle Game Joseki
]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
(;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[km]CR[km]C[jantiff [6k?\]: ok... hitting the one side you don't want to grow
MysticoN [21k\]: yes
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
srosen [?\]: yes
smudge [12k?\]: black got a lot
noel [15k\]: yes
Zwabber [17k\]: agree
Jakobicek [14k\]: big
scraper [15k\]: yes
Ekei [14k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: yep big moyo
GralAnibal [10k\]: wow
janine [12k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: very efficient result for Black
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes usefull
])
(;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[janine [12k\]: lee changhao played against wangxi in xin ramen
]))
(;AE[kc][nc][pc][qf]AB[jc][nd]C[playgo [4k\]: does this also work without R14 ?
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[okhna [14k?\]: fisrt stone is sacrifice
Scribe [?\]: Black developes larger potential
weakguest [?\]: what if w just p9?
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [?\]: Now Black has potential in top right and bottom
]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[janine [12k\]: wow
])))