(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[300]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-02-27]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[okhna [14k?\]: hi
MysticoN [21k\]: hello :D
Hennuz [9k?\]: hi
babubomb [10k\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hi
okhna [14k?\]: hellooo
jramon [14k\]: hello
silver2k4 [17k?\]: hello :)
wrong [1d?\]: ni hao shifu
Bardock [5k\]: yes
playgo [4k\]: hello
Sekimoto [17k\]: ho
Bodo212 [13k\]: hello
noel [15k\]: hi
wingnut [-\]: hi
nothingman [?\]: hi
raistlin [10k\]: hi
smuin [?\]: hello
jbb [16k\]: hi
murky [?\]: Hi
Ekei [14k\]: hi
Hu [12k?\]: Ni hao
ryu74 [16k\]: Hello
Sekimoto [17k\]: ha
playm8 [6k?\]: hello :)
Scribe [?\]: Ni hao mingjiu laoshi
Jakobicek [14k\]: hi 
agui [7k\]: Hello
blue88 [17k\]: hi
Sumo [7k\]: ้ร
patanjali0 [7k\]: hi MJ
Wook [-\]: Nice to hear you again, hi mingjiu
BeLO [10k\]: Hi, Ming Jiu !
scraper [15k\]: hi
janine [12k\]: hi
ibo2go [17k\]: hello
guojuan [5p\]: ni hao :)
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: hello
jantiff [6k?\]: hello !
Sekimoto [17k\]: sexy voice
flogo [3k\]: haha
resurect [8k\]: black to live i see 2 ways
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[BeLO [10k\]: Hello !
wrong [1d?\]: first have a GREAT GREAT GREAT NEWS to tell
moh [12k\]: 你好
wrong [1d?\]: yes
]
(;W[dp]CR[dp]C[blue88 [17k\]: lol
okhna [14k?\]: lol
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[Uvas [-\]: no way
]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Jonii [7k\]: !!!
Uvas [-\]: do tell wrong
wingnut [-\]: san ren sai
Scribe [?\]: three star points popular among amateurs
agui [7k\]: ok
patanjali0 [7k\]: san ren sei
wrong [1d?\]: just when minjiu sensei sets up position
flogo [3k\]: takemiya style
wrong [1d?\]: NEWS!!!!!
janine [12k\]: not really, guli has been playing
Uvas [-\]: come on!
okhna [14k?\]: amateurs are great :P
wrong [1d?\]: Taiwanese 3d* on igs beat japanese 6p in a tournament!!!!!!!
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[lc]CR[lc]C[GrandYan [7k\]: We know...
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[flogo [3k\]: poor 6p
kgsPlus [3d?\]: black N15 not H17?
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[murky [?\]: when to play like this?
GralAnibal [10k\]: ?
weakguest [?\]: after l16 :)
wrong [1d?\]: now W ,and B m16
hjooho [?\]: now wL16 
weakguest [?\]: L16
TonyTiger [5k\]: people, please use capital letters for co-ordinates
]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[wrong [1d?\]: I have a game, it's internet tournament
GrandYan [7k\]: IGS Tourney...
bolbi [11k\]: we already now that, let's focus on this lesson :-)
MysticoN [21k\]: he had handicap ?
wingnut [-\]: thx wrong
Scribe [?\]: Joseki
wrong [1d?\]: it was Shihou 6p
GrandYan [7k\]: And Yamada Kimio 6p lost to iGS 6d
agui [7k\]: what if white block at O16 ?
Jakobicek [14k\]: clearly explained
fint [?\]: what if black m16 first instead l17?
Scribe [?\]: now white L16 then Black M16
wrong [1d?\]: W L16 and B M16
isshoni [13k\]: w l16 then b m16
hjooho [?\]: now b M16 
BeLO [10k\]: M16 now !
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[MysticoN [21k\]: the 3 d player ?'
wrong [1d?\]: no, even game, was B+0.5
Bodo212 [13k\]: could you tell a bit louder?
guojuan [5p\]: now the corner is all for black
]
(;W[kc]CR[kc]C[wrong [1d?\]: ok, now back to lesson
Scribe [?\]: Does not matter if Black plays q14 or r14 both work
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[MysticoN [21k\]: okay
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[bolbi [11k\]: please
weakguest [?\]: 9 ways in the previous question :)
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[MysticoN [21k\]: nice =)
Scribe [?\]: Two ways for Black, kick at p17
]
;B[]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [?\]: BLack must connect at q15
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [?\]: Mingjiu likes this joseki for white
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [?\]: White still has potential in the corner
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pc]CR[pc])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[re]CR[re]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[Scribe [?\]: white is out
weakguest [?\]: how can black secure the corner in an efficient manner? ^^* would something like r11 secure it?
]))
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[ob]CR[ob])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[TonyTiger [5k\]: no
hansb [2k?\]: P18
agui [7k\]: no
okhna [14k?\]: no
glorfindel [10k\]: no
murky [?\]: P18
Bodo212 [13k\]: no
izgonjes [11k\]: P16 
]
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [?\]: White tesuji
izgonjes [11k\]: ok
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[od]CR[od]C[TonyTiger [5k\]: nice
])
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[Scribe [?\]: White must not play p16 first
])))
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[playgo [4k\]: can b start at M16 after L16 ?
agui [7k\]: very good, thanks
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[bolbi [11k\]: thx
weakguest [?\]: is p17 really joseki? o_O
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[momotarou [15k?\]: 3-3 not there
]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[guojuan [5p\]: too slow
]
(;W[me]CR[me])
(;W[]C[Hu [12k?\]: N15 is better than N16?  Less aji?
Scribe [?\]: MIngjiu does not like this joseki for white
]
;B[me]CR[me]C[Scribe [?\]: WHite must fix at n15
]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[md]CR[md]C[spingle [10k\]: what if wo16 instead of wo18?
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: P17 est obliger ?
])
(;W[lf]CR[lf]C[alissts [?\]: n15 or n16 to connect?
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[wrong [1d?\]: agui: w o16 too small
Scribe [?\]: White dead in corner
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: white N16 is possible ?
])))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Wook [-\]: yes guest
BlueJays [?\]: so the fix is to separate the two black groups?
]
;W[id]CR[id]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: o ok
jantiff [6k?\]: P17-O18 exchange makes w heavy
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]LB[nb:B][oc:A]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: G15 ???
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: A
wingnut [-\]: nope
Sekimoto [17k\]: nein
murky [?\]: clear
Ekei [14k\]: no
scraper [15k\]: no
flogo [3k\]: seems black better position
noel [15k\]: what about w n16?
Scribe [?\]: Without the kick at p17 White does not hvae to protect at n15 after black h17
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: if A B exchange, then w must N15
wrong [1d?\]: everythin' clear
]
(;W[ge]CR[ge]LB[nb:B][oc:A]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[nd]CR[nd]TR[nc]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: san san for white
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [?\]: Without the kick white can enter the corner and live
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rb]CR[rb]))
(;W[me]CR[me]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[hjooho [?\]: ¿
fint [?\]: instead l17
momotarou [15k?\]:  ithink he meant m16 instead of l17
BeLO [10k\]: back
Scribe [?\]: black m16 in place of L17 after white L16
wrong [1d?\]: he probably meant other joseki, M16 instead of L17
momotarou [15k?\]: after w l16
alissts [?\]: today I saw different variation - after l16, B played M16, then W M15 
Scribe [?\]: is the question
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: maybe m16 instead of l17 and then b cuts
wrong [1d?\]: 2 moves before
]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
(;B[ld]CR[ld])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]))
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[weakguest [?\]: evil white.. :)
Scribe [?\]: kills black two stones at LM17
resurect [8k\]: yup
noel [15k\]: yes
GralAnibal [10k\]: yes
weakguest [?\]: yes :)
scraper [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes , very interesting
wrong [1d?\]: undestandable
wingnut [-\]: thx mingjiu, guojuan & scribe
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Ekei [14k\]: thx
GralAnibal [10k\]: thx
Sumo [7k\]: thx
Uvas [-\]: bye
GoteExpert [5k\]: thanks
Aristocles [11k\]: thx
Masa2000 [12k\]: thank you
brx [13k\]: thx a lot!
jkk [18k?\]: thanks
silver2k4 [17k?\]: thank you
olczyk [16k\]: Thank You
scraper [15k\]: thankyou
wrong [1d?\]: Thank You for Your lesson
iprincess [22k?\]: thx
Bodo212 [13k\]: tanks
rightnow [10k\]: lol
Slarty [2k\]: thanks you !!
KEICHAN [20k?\]: thanks ^^
Out [18k\]: Thank you.
murky [?\]: thanks
yool [?\]: thx
evilGOer [11k?\]: thanks
kiwitarget [16k\]: thx all great stuff
franzush [12k\]: Thanks!!!
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
ELNegus [?\]: thx
TonyTiger [5k\]: thanks
tthaav [30k?\]: thanks !
momotarou [15k?\]: thx
gogy [9k\]: thanks
hansb [2k?\]: thanks
Wcki [19k\]: thx
moh [12k\]: 谢谢
izgonjes [11k\]: thx
hansili [10k?\]: thank you!
weakguest [?\]: thanks, mingjiu!
noel [15k\]: thanks
TonyTiger [5k\]: thanks man
resurect [8k\]: tahnk you
hjooho [?\]: nice voice
vince [6k\]: thx
goman [19k\]: thx
Janez [1k\]: thx
au2 [2k\]: thanks to both teachers
oeillet [9k\]: thank you
Bardock [5k\]: thx
isshoni [13k\]: thank you!
wrong [1d?\]: we can?
Drag0n [8k\]: thx
Scribe [?\]: Xiexie Mingjiu laoshi and the Ing Goe Foundation
spingle [10k\]: thankyou both 
au2 [2k\]: thanks to scribe - good work
noel [15k\]: :)
TonyTiger [5k\]: you are the greatest
guojuan [5p\]: see you next time
kgsmonkey [9k\]: thank you
Bardock [5k\]: thx
weakguest [?\]: homework: 9 ;)
au2 [2k\]: bye
agui [7k\]: See you
GralAnibal [10k\]: homework
noel [15k\]: bye
jantiff [6k?\]: thanks for teaching, take care !
guojuan [5p\]: any questions welcome
franzush [12k\]: Bye
okhna [14k?\]: bye bye thx a lot
KEICHAN [20k?\]: bye!!
agui [7k\]: bye
silver2k4 [17k?\]: till next time
GoteExpert [5k\]: bye
])))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[BeLO [10k\]: yes
]
;W[le]CR[le]C[kiwitarget [16k\]: ;-)
alissts [?\]: l16 cut
resurect [8k\]: cut
]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[wrong [1d?\]: now B can cut sometimes
resurect [8k\]: no
])
(;B[ke]CR[ke]C[wrong [1d?\]: depends on the left corner
resurect [8k\]: l17 w
GralAnibal [10k\]: mm
GoteExpert [5k\]: :)
rightnow [10k\]: lol
izgonjes [11k\]: :D
TonyTiger [5k\]: :)
alissts [?\]: 4d vs 2k game
momotarou [15k?\]: nope
okhna [14k?\]: no
GoteExpert [5k\]: ladder?
Scribe [?\]: is ladder good for black this is possible
murky [?\]: no sound
TonyTiger [5k\]: never seen it before
resurect [8k\]: l17
hjooho [?\]: ya
wrong [1d?\]: but takes in account the up left corner
kgsPlus [3d?\]: what if black N15 instead of H17?
fint [?\]: yes thx
]
;W[je]CR[je]C[wrong [1d?\]: not just ladder
]
;B[kf]CR[kf]C[okhna [14k?\]: where is the ladder
]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[wrong [1d?\]: another*
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[jantiff [6k?\]: K15 ladder
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
(;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[kg]CR[kg])
(;W[kg]CR[kg]C[wrong [1d?\]: there is nother on I saw, without ladder
]
;B[jf]CR[jf]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]C[momotarou [15k?\]: complicated
]
;W[ie]CR[ie]))))
(;B[qf]CR[qf])))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: maybe M3 was bad move
]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: now look at ameteur game
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Jonii [7k\]: nirensei
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [?\]: Bad joseki choice by Black
]
;W[gc]CR[gc])
(;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [?\]: White must not kick at p17 due to change of joseki available to Black
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[Jonii [7k\]: hmm
]
;B[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ge]CR[ge]TR[nq]C[playgo [4k\]: sacrifice O3 ?
atman [5k\]: black can connect under
Scribe [?\]: Black can treat o3 stone lightly
]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[flogo [3k\]: haha
Scribe [?\]: still a game....neither benefits too much
Sumo [7k\]: g17 for alive ?
weakguest [?\]: what if g17 at f17?
BlueJays [?\]: why didn't white do n15?
weakguest [?\]: yes thanky ou
jantiff [6k?\]: G17 is a thick move
alissts [?\]: do one need to play g17 ? isn't white alive on the top?
]
;B[]C[wrong [1d?\]: leaves too amny aji
Scribe [?\]: white f17 bad shape
Scribe [?\]: white g17 solid
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[wrong [1d?\]: many*
])
(;W[fc]CR[fc]C[alissts [?\]: what for g17?
Scribe [?\]: h16 sente for black
Grimley [9k\]: what if white does not play G17 but plays tenuki?
BlueJays [?\]: is g17 slow?
Ekei [14k\]: strongering white
atman [5k\]: m4 instead?
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: chases w into center
hansb [2k?\]: b O5!
Grimley [9k\]: white k4 instead?
srosen [?\]: no
wingnut [-\]: no good
atman [5k\]: no, after black k3
]
(;B[]
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[Scribe [?\]: after f17 hard for white to run out
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[gf]CR[gf]C[Scribe [?\]: white can not play f15
weakguest [?\]: ohh :)
])
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[gd]CR[gd]))
(;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]))
(;B[hd]CR[hd]C[Jakobicek [14k\]: yes
])
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: thx for the lesson bye ++
weakguest [?\]: g18 yes
]
;W[]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[wingnut [-\]: g18
])
(;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Lilltiger [13k\]: sansan for black
wrong [1d?\]: R3 aji remains
Scribe [?\]: F17 white mistake
weakguest [?\]: ^^
EnliBikal [11k\]: chasing w in b moyo?
wingnut [-\]: W splitting attack
Scribe [?\]: black k3 big mistake
flogo [3k\]: what is the leel of the ama playes ?
Scribe [?\]: black has wall on top
flogo [3k\]: level*
alissts [?\]: k5 and it';s ok for black
jantiff [6k?\]: mild
agui [7k\]: white has a moyo too
atman [5k\]: n4, I meant
playgo [4k\]: L4 perhaps
]
;W[lo]CR[lo]C[wingnut [-\]: good for W
murky [?\]: seem ok
wrong [1d?\]: helps W a little?
Scribe [?\]: k3 does not work with the wall
playgo [4k\]: K5 ?
hansb [2k?\]: it is too loose
izgonjes [11k\]: K5
apitoo [4k\]: reduces wall
])
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[murky [?\]: no
Lilltiger [13k\]: so l4?
]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[ml]CR[ml]C[Scribe [?\]: even worse
])
(;B[kp]CR[kp]C[Lilltiger [13k\]: =)
Scribe [?\]: L4 good idea
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: clear
noel [15k\]: yes
EnliBikal [11k\]: yes
Zwabber [17k\]: ja
murky [?\]: clear 
BlueJays [?\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: clear
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
janine [12k\]: yeah
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yes
Ekei [14k\]: clea
weakguest [?\]: yes
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes
momotarou [15k?\]: yes
Jakobicek [14k\]: yup
wrong [1d?\]: shi
]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]TR[kp]C[BlueJays [?\]: what can white do ?
]
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[Scribe [?\]: stone touch stone, sente
]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[ln]CR[ln]C[weakguest [?\]: and looks preety :)
kalim [13k\]: big wall
jantiff [6k?\]: right... w pushes from behind
janine [12k\]: :o
Scribe [?\]: works to build center and act in concert with top black wall
])
(;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[jp]CR[jp]))
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[go]CR[go]C[Lilltiger [13k\]: =)
]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[Jakobicek [14k\]: a tiny moyo
]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[momotarou [15k?\]: wow
Sumo [7k\]: oh
jantiff [6k?\]: great
Hu [12k?\]: a little moyo ^^
okhna [14k?\]: tooo big
weakguest [?\]: :)
Jonii [7k\]: b+res? ^^
janine [12k\]: yeah
agui [7k\]: a takemiya game !
kgsPlus [3d?\]: too big
]))
(;W[]C[weakguest [?\]: yes seems ok
]
(;B[fc]CR[fc])
(;B[])))
(;W[fq]CR[fq])))
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[weakguest [?\]: looks the smae only not pincer :)
]
(;W[qn]CR[qn])
(;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[go]CR[go]
(;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[rightnow [10k\]: kien habla
rightnow [10k\]: lol
])
(;W[mo]CR[mo]C[wingnut [-\]: very good for B
]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[Jonii [7k\]: Is there really no way for w to win? :o
guojuan [5p\]: so saved only one stone
]
(;B[ln]CR[ln]C[Scribe [?\]: Better for Black to play L16 than to live in corner immediately at r3
]
;W[np]CR[np]
(;B[qq]CR[qq])
(;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[nn]CR[nn]))
(;B[nn]CR[nn]C[Scribe [?\]: too heavey
]
;W[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [?\]: Black m6 protects major area in place of o6 protect small stone
]
(;B[ln]CR[ln]C[Scribe [?\]: Black o6 very very bad move
])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]LB[ln:A]C[rightnow [10k\]: M16 ?
]
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[flogo [3k\]: white
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[Scribe [?\]: horrible for White
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[kb]CR[kb])
(;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[pe]CR[pe]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[me]CR[me]TR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: white gets small stone, black moyo grows
weakguest [?\]: gotta love us amatuers ;)
wrong [1d?\]: B has 2/3 of the board^^
wingnut [-\]: competition in size of mistakes?
weakguest [?\]: ^^*
wingnut [-\]: clear
okhna [14k?\]: clear
Zwabber [17k\]: yes
noel [15k\]: yes
Sekimoto [17k\]: ya
weakguest [?\]: yes :)
silver2k4 [17k?\]: yes
murky [?\]: no problem
agui [7k\]: yes
wrong [1d?\]: clear
Bardock [5k\]: yes
Lilltiger [13k\]: yes
Hennuz [9k?\]: y
scraper [15k\]: yes
Sekimoto [17k\]: roger that
patanjali0 [7k\]: clear
Bodo212 [13k\]: thanks
Jenny12yrs [13k\]: ya
Ekei [14k\]: yeah
hansb [2k?\]: clear
Uvas [-\]: homwork?
wrong [1d?\]: homework????????
]))
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[flogo [3k\]: J16 L17 J18 L18 F17  possible ?
]))
(;W[ic]CR[ic]C[rightnow [10k\]: y
])))))))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
(;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[wrong [1d?\]: there is ONLY ONE move that doesn't work ^_^
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[weakguest [?\]: ohh was many moves... :)
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Wook [-\]: Must be the only school in the world where pupils are begging for homework :)
wingnut [-\]: how many ways to kill Black
Uvas [-\]: attack
noel [15k\]: black is dead, even if first?
Jonii [7k\]: 9
wrong [1d?\]: how MNY moves???
Jonii [7k\]: 9
wrong [1d?\]: ONLY Q19 doesn't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
weakguest [?\]: s19 doesn't either
wrong [1d?\]: EVERY other good
Jonii [7k\]: t19 doesn't work neither
weakguest [?\]: ohh sorry it does :)
wrong [1d?\]: S19 works!!!!!
wrong [1d?\]: O18 BEST!
tthaav [30k?\]: ^^'
alissts [?\]: P19 to kill...........
kgsPlus [3d?\]: b dead
Jonii [7k\]: 9?
wrong [1d?\]: MANY
izgonjes [11k\]: 3
wrong [1d?\]: hard to count
wrong [1d?\]: 5 at least
weakguest [?\]: ohh so no seki? @_@
Jonii [7k\]: R16 is best
spingle [10k\]: roflmao
Jonii [7k\]: R16!!!!!
noel [15k\]: 6+ tenuki
Lilltiger [13k\]: dont attack =)
Scribe [?\]: White can tenuki
wingnut [-\]: tenuki
Sumo [7k\]: one 
]
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[weakguest [?\]: lol
]
;W[qb]CR[qb])
(;B[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [?\]: Black can not make two eyes !  
noel [15k\]: o19
Masa2000 [12k\]: o19
]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[agui [7k\]: o19
]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[qa]CR[qa]))
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[wrong [1d?\]: he he, now B o18 works^^
])))