(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[30]OT[25/420 Canadian]
PW[cie]PB[Toru]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2005-03-04]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Toru [4d\]: hi
Toru [4d\]: have a nice game
cie [4d\]: hi
]RE[W+Time]
;B[pd]CR[pd]BL[406.809]OB[24]
;W[dp]CR[dp]WL[5.039]C[matieux [2k\]: vive toru :-) !
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]BL[396.916]OB[23]C[flogo [3k\]: hehe
genjiro [22k?\]: :)
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]WL[2.181]
;B[de]CR[de]BL[381.36]OB[22]
;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[418.733]OW[24]
;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[372.907]OB[21]
;W[cd]CR[cd]WL[417.203]OW[23]C[scraper [16k\]: choose top right joseki
goglu [-\]: to see if white plays C6 or C7
genjiro [22k?\]: lol
KgsOvPl [3d\]: to see if it's keima or ogeima
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]BL[345.51]OB[20]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
KgsOvPl [3d\]: probe
hansb [2k?\]: sound out the response
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Zebigbos [10k?\]: Probe white
suducodu [?\]: Umm...yes?
genjiro [22k?\]: yes
smudge [12k?\]: take sente
Arkdragon [14k\]: in go books
krneki [9k\]: no
jantiff [6k?\]: a probe to decide how to connect ?
zee [9k\]: makes the invasion more difficult
]
(;W[cn]CR[cn]WL[410.537]OW[22]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: back 2 moves frst
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]BL[329.703]OB[19]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]WL[353.201]OW[21]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[315.815]OB[18]C[Scribe [?\]: white d10 takes away the black base on left side
]
(;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[343.101]OW[20]
;B[ed]CR[ed]BL[307.304]OB[17]
;W[ee]CR[ee]WL[329.528]OW[19]C[Rastaman [9k\]: cool
]
;B[df]CR[df]BL[294.506]OB[16]
(;W[eb]CR[eb]WL[305.187]OW[18]
;B[fb]CR[fb]BL[281.752]OB[15]
;W[db]CR[db]WL[295.471]OW[17]C[Scribe [?\]: unusual sequence
]
(;B[fe]CR[fe]BL[273.13]OB[14]
;W[fc]CR[fc]WL[283.648]OW[16]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[256.981]OB[13]C[zee [9k\]: this would be better for B
]
(;W[fd]CR[fd]WL[276.152]OW[15]C[Imp20 [11k\]: k16
hansb [2k?\]: black connection
krneki [9k\]: connect
goglu [-\]: connect
Zebigbos [10k?\]: Connect
jantiff [6k?\]: give bad shape
nutcase [1k\]: dango for b
patanjali0 [7k\]: black to connect
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: outside influence
suducodu [?\]: oh...isee
]
(;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[236.994]OB[12]C[Scribe [?\]: black gave up on the fight
]
;W[ee]CR[ee]WL[271.028]OW[14]
;B[ed]CR[ed]BL[220.953]OB[11]
;W[ge]CR[ge]WL[263.66]OW[13]
;B[id]CR[id]BL[187.71]OB[10]C[Barthoze [12k\]: Toru *pom*pom*pom*
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]WL[248.451]OW[12]
;B[gc]CR[gc]BL[176.449]OB[9]
;W[ec]CR[ec]WL[243.298]OW[11]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: shapback
]
;B[ei]CR[ei]BL[112.129]OB[8]
;W[di]CR[di]WL[218.404]OW[10]
;B[eh]CR[eh]BL[83.75]OB[7]
;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[208.125]OW[9]
;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[69.366]OB[6]
;W[hh]CR[hh]WL[157.86]OW[8]
;B[ej]CR[ej]BL[58.145]OB[5]
;W[dk]CR[dk]WL[152.339]OW[7]
;B[hj]CR[hj]BL[49.688]OB[4]LB[ch:A]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: belle patatoisation
Scribe [?\]: very important, both white and blakc have weak groups
Scribe [?\]: black has eye shape at c12
Scribe [?\]: white is weaker
]
;W[jh]CR[jh]WL[113.913]OW[6]
;B[ld]CR[ld]BL[37.275]OB[3]C[badooking [?\]: why set the time this short?
]
;W[ie]CR[ie]WL[104.253]OW[5]
;B[jd]CR[jd]BL[32.678]OB[2]
;W[jj]CR[jj]WL[52.541]OW[4]
;B[hl]CR[hl]BL[26.538]OB[1]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: not settled
hansb [2k?\]: K8
nutcase [1k\]: K8
NTT [7k\]: K8
goglu [-\]: K8 
Scribe [?\]: white center group not strong enough yet
krneki [9k\]: q10?
suducodu [?\]: jump
zee [9k\]: W walked fast in center but still weak
]
(;W[gn]CR[gn]WL[34.191]OW[3]C[Scribe [?\]: quite good white move at k10
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: white looks like it's dead 
Arkdragon [14k\]: over play
Scribe [?\]: white g6 is trying too much
Chalx [6k\]: wants f3
okhna [14k?\]: kill f3
]
;B[im]CR[im]BL[420]OB[25]C[zee [9k\]: W is connected and strong on the left
]
;W[gp]CR[gp]WL[28.707]OW[2]TR[fq]C[Scribe [?\]: overplay trying to split black
]
;B[kl]CR[kl]BL[383.938]OB[24]TR[ie][hh][jh][jj][fq]C[zee [9k\]: B controls center now
swilks [7k\]: what about cut starting with j11?  i never know what to do with this shape as white
Scribe [?\]: black runs ahead, gains in center control
lazy [?\]: is f3 really in danger?
suducodu [?\]: oh..
]
;W[lj]CR[lj]WL[14.508]OW[1]
;B[ml]CR[ml]BL[371.509]OB[23]C[lazy [?\]: b can jump in or use it anyway
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]WL[420]OW[25]
(;B[ip]CR[ip]BL[347.895]OB[22]C[Barthoze [12k\]: Because Toru has a very short attention span at evenings.
Barthoze [12k\]: Don't know.
KLu [9k?\]: just because :)
]
;W[in]CR[in]WL[361.305]OW[24]
;B[jn]CR[jn]BL[343.921]OB[21]
;W[io]CR[io]WL[355.863]OW[23]
;B[jo]CR[jo]BL[334.73]OB[20]
;W[jp]CR[jp]WL[352.436]OW[22]
;B[hp]CR[hp]BL[320.903]OB[19]
;W[go]CR[go]WL[330.019]OW[21]
;B[jq]CR[jq]BL[296.856]OB[18]
;W[kp]CR[kp]WL[325.859]OW[20]
;B[kq]CR[kq]BL[287.683]OB[17]
;W[lp]CR[lp]WL[321.587]OW[19]
;B[lq]CR[lq]BL[277.239]OB[16]
;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[313.191]OW[18]
;B[mq]CR[mq]BL[267.609]OB[15]
;W[np]CR[np]WL[304.635]OW[17]
;B[or]CR[or]BL[257.822]OB[14]
;W[ke]CR[ke]WL[286.58]OW[16]
;B[le]CR[le]BL[243.552]OB[13]
;W[lm]CR[lm]WL[270.226]OW[15]
;B[ll]CR[ll]BL[232.304]OB[12]
;W[po]CR[po]WL[247.923]OW[14]
;B[qp]CR[qp]BL[212.102]OB[11]C[tt [1k\]: tough for w here
]
;W[ik]CR[ik]WL[198.399]OW[13]C[tt [1k\]: 2 weak groups
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]BL[126.905]OB[10]
;W[bi]CR[bi]WL[177.369]OW[12]C[Spacebotch [1k\]: supernounours is hunting
]
;B[gh]CR[gh]BL[87.875]OB[9]
;W[pm]CR[pm]WL[94.142]OW[11]
;B[pk]CR[pk]BL[49.479]OB[8]
;W[ok]CR[ok]WL[85.559]OW[10]
;B[ol]CR[ol]BL[43.939]OB[7]
;W[pl]CR[pl]WL[82.191]OW[9]
;B[oj]CR[oj]BL[36.794]OB[6]
;W[nk]CR[nk]WL[68.328]OW[8]
;B[nl]CR[nl]BL[27.472]OB[5]
;W[nj]CR[nj]WL[57.772]OW[7]
;B[qk]CR[qk]BL[17.298]OB[4]
;W[km]CR[km]WL[47.95]OW[6]
;B[jm]CR[jm]BL[8.401]OB[3]
;W[jl]CR[jl]WL[44.27]OW[5]
;B[mn]CR[mn]BL[1.294]OB[2]
;W[ln]CR[ln]WL[40.349]OW[4]C[cie [4d\]: thx
Toru [4d\]: thx
badooking [?\]: too short time seting
Spacebotch [1k\]: next time, supernounours
Toru [4d\]: non, I had lag
Toru [4d\]: normally it's ok, but it was too laggy
suducodu [?\]: Is this the lecture?
okhna [14k?\]: no
okhna [14k?\]: just preparation
okhna [14k?\]: s
Uvas [-\]: wait for audio
suducodu [?\]: Oh, whups :P
MysticoN [20k\]: hello
okhna [14k?\]: now its the lesson
Uvas [-\]: hi
rakdver [13k\]: hi
hansb [2k?\]: hi
okhna [14k?\]: hello
xin421 [9k\]: hi, 
GuLOOM [5k\]: hi
Kezaar [19k\]: hi
zee [9k\]: Hello
suducodu [?\]: Hi!
Ekei [14k\]: hi
xin421 [9k\]: I heard you
kirschi [18k\]: hi
Imp20 [11k\]: hi
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: we hbear you
Arkdragon [14k\]: hi
isshoni [13k\]: hello
scraper [16k\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: Yep
KgsOvPl [3d\]: Chang Hao ?
KgsOvPl [3d\]: :O Chang Hao won something finally !
Uvas [-\]: wow
KgsOvPl [3d\]: he was always 2nd place :)
flogo [3k\]: lol kgs
Arkdragon [14k\]: hahaha
patanjali0 [7k\]: congrats for china :)
wingnut [-\]: B Chang Hao(9d) W Choi Cheolhan(9d) 
Uvas [-\]: much happiness
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
nutcase [1k\]: yeah, he pocketed USD400,000
xin421 [9k\]: usd$400000.00 for changhao
suducodu [?\]: ^_^
KgsOvPl [3d\]: i saw the games, chang hao is strong
krneki [9k\]: congrats to china!!!
haka [-\]: is scribe here?
Scribe [?\]: Yes i am 
haka [-\]: yup
suducodu [?\]: No...
Uvas [-\]: no
Scribe [?\]: Seven Dragons ?
hansb [2k?\]: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: no
Kezaar [19k\]: no
patanjali0 [7k\]: no
xin421 [9k\]: changhao 29 years old
wingnut [-\]: born dragon year
Uvas [-\]: ooo
Uvas [-\]: ok
wingnut [-\]: and ma
suducodu [?\]: Umm...Okay!
KgsOvPl [3d\]: chang hao was youth world champion in 1991 :d
cafesuji [-\]: hello
Arkdragon [14k\]: oh yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: to see who is ahead
suducodu [?\]: to see whos winning
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
xin421 [9k\]: count for decide how to play next
olczyk [16k\]: TO know whether winning or losing.
krneki [9k\]: to see how we should play
okhna [14k?\]: for sacrifice
Arkdragon [14k\]: thats true
nutcase [1k\]: make decisions
jantiff [6k?\]: choose strategy type
hansb [2k?\]: to plan the middle game
Scribe [?\]: Why should we count points when playing ?
olczyk [16k\]: If winning play safe.
koutaro [18k?\]: to se when you should resign
isshoni [13k\]: to know if one must attack or lay back
au2 [2k\]: counting sets strategy
hansb [2k?\]: and to plan the endgame
zoutehond [5k\]: to make plan
olczyk [16k\]: If losing take risk.
Lilltiger [13k\]: to see if the passive and stong move is enought to play =)
Scribe [?\]: to determine what is necessary.
wingnut [-\]: see who is ahead to determin future play... conservative vs fight like mad :)
KgsOvPl [3d\]: to see how far you want to invade
Imp20 [11k\]: play more risky
okhna [14k?\]: defend
Arkdragon [14k\]: and pick up tthe slack
jantiff [6k?\]: try to simplify
Uvas [-\]: play conservitive
Josh [?\]: play safe
suducodu [?\]: play safe
Ameise [9k\]: play safe
koutaro [18k?\]: play defensive
Chalx [6k\]: play safe
Ekei [14k\]: defend
krneki [9k\]: play strong and safe
zee [9k\]: don't risk
gladden [8k\]: keep attact
xin421 [9k\]: keep situation stable and make things simple
wingnut [-\]: win that won game
Scribe [?\]: When ahead, simplify the game, playing safe and solid shapes, but not soft
Uvas [-\]: risk it!
hansb [2k?\]: create complications
olczyk [16k\]: take risks
krneki [9k\]: charge!!!
Ekei [14k\]: take some risk
koutaro [18k?\]: play agressive
jantiff [6k?\]: try to shake
suducodu [?\]: Fight
zee [9k\]: take more chances
patanjali0 [7k\]: fight like hell
jeko [16k\]: the opposite
ligo [8k\]: fight
nutcase [1k\]: make bold moves
xin421 [9k\]: play positively and make thinks complex
gladden [8k\]: keep attack 
wingnut [-\]: complicate game
jantiff [6k?\]: fight, find sharp moves
Scribe [?\]: When behind, play to create complications, look for killing moves, make trouble, invite errors
suducodu [?\]: Confuse ppl
wingnut [-\]: shout and rattle the go stones ;-)
MysticoN [20k\]: actually U never loose point to make a living group .. if u loose it its the same as the beginning moyo :p
Scribe [?\]: Two ways to count
kashon [-\]: counting is good when You want to draw a game:)
Scribe [?\]: Dont have to count exactly as amatuers
wingnut [-\]: estimate
Sekimoto [17k\]: audio?
genjiro [22k?\]: yes
okhna [14k?\]: restart Seki
okhna [14k?\]: reopen game
suducodu [?\]: Yep
suducodu [?\]: Umm...yes
])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [?\]: j4 too close to white
Arkdragon [14k\]: wow
]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[nd]CR[nd]TR[ia][ib][ic][eo][fo][fr][fs]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: look at black
Scribe [?\]: black runs ahead of white
MysticoN [20k\]: wow ... white got a huge problem
suducodu [?\]: omg, black is like totally winning
trickey [7k\]: black
Imp20 [11k\]: 30
Scribe [?\]: forcing white to live in center, with little gain
Arkdragon [14k\]: about 15
Uvas [-\]: 40
kieran [13k\]: 40-ish
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: 50
Zebigbos [10k?\]: 55
Arkdragon [14k\]: oh
trickey [7k\]: 55
haka [-\]: 46
Imp20 [11k\]: 45
hansb [2k?\]: 35
Arkdragon [14k\]: about 30
Killyym [15k\]: 45+ w
Scribe [?\]: No change in upper left: 12 points
apitoo [4k\]: 40
FLgator [5k\]: 50
ST0NE [14k\]: 50
murky [?\]: 40
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: 40
Ekei [14k\]: 45
genjiro [22k?\]: 50
koutaro [18k?\]: 60
trickey [7k\]: 55
agui [7k\]: w 60
ja [8k\]: 60
Arkdragon [14k\]: yeah
murky [?\]: 40pts
jantiff [6k?\]: about 45
shuei [-\]: 57points
Sekimoto [17k\]: 8x6
lazy [?\]: 40.5? :)
Scribe [?\]: White 40 points on bottom left and left
Scribe [?\]: White in middle, very little
Scribe [?\]: White total around 60
koutaro [18k?\]: 70
MysticoN [20k\]: 20-25 up and corner
murky [?\]: 24 on top
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: 30
Arkdragon [14k\]: about 30
agui [7k\]: -40 for Black
suducodu [?\]: 30?
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[murky [?\]: huge
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[Scribe [?\]: Black top 30 points
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[qe]CR[qe]TR[qf][qg]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pg]CR[pg]TR[rd][sd][qg][ph][oj][qk][pl][km][pm][qm][rm][sm][on][pn][qn][oo][po]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: 40-10
trickey [7k\]: 40
Zebigbos [10k?\]: 45
Imp20 [11k\]: 20
suducodu [?\]: 24 or so
MysticoN [20k\]: 24-25
zee [9k\]: corner assumed to be settled this way with additional 10 pts for W
patanjali0 [7k\]: sold
suducodu [?\]: wow.
genjiro [22k?\]: xD lol 
Scribe [?\]: Simple joseki on right, White gets 10 more Black gets around 50
genjiro [22k?\]: (i need counting lessons again lol :P) 
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Grimley [8k\]: minus 10 points in lowerright
genjiro [22k?\]: right
suducodu [?\]: so, is black winning?
Brutha [8k\]: but white gets points in the corner ?
MysticoN [20k\]: white needs to invadae now
Scribe [?\]: Black 80 points vs White 60 points
MysticoN [20k\]: invade*
Scribe [?\]: 70 points
suducodu [?\]: Wow
suducodu [?\]: Yep
Scribe [?\]: Black leads by 10 on the board
MysticoN [20k\]: yup
koutaro [18k?\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
trickey [7k\]: komi
goglu [-\]: it seemed obvious by looking at the board that black was ahead
zee [9k\]: B is leading on score
]
;W[kf]CR[kf]C[Uvas [-\]: check se :)
MysticoN [20k\]: defend
Imp20 [11k\]: defend
Barthoze [12k\]: it's clear
suducodu [?\]: Play safe
zee [9k\]: Can W invade the top right corner?
MysticoN [20k\]: white lives in the shame corner x
MysticoN [20k\]: xD
musubi [8k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
kashon [-\]: can We invade at r17?
genjiro [22k?\]: yes
MysticoN [20k\]: learned better to count ;:D
scraper [16k\]: awesome lesson
MysticoN [20k\]: thnx
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
genjiro [22k?\]: so great
Arkdragon [14k\]: great leson
ST0NE [14k\]: I start to count fom now, i promise!
Arkdragon [14k\]: really got to me
blue88 [17k\]: now my games will take even longer ^^
olczyk [16k\]: Book by Cho Chikun.
patanjali0 [7k\]: i start counting you can count on it
Imp20 [11k\]: no more blitz =/
Killyym [15k\]: just count fast imp ;)
suducodu [?\]: mmmhmm
genjiro [22k?\]: yes
genjiro [22k?\]: you ve awoken me to counting
genjiro [22k?\]:  ^^
Scribe [?\]: Counting is a difficult subject for Professionals as well as amatuers
suducodu [?\]: yep
mingjiu [7p\]: yes
]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
(;B[fm]CR[fm]C[suducodu [?\]: Yessy :P
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[Scribe [?\]: Now Black must play to simplify
]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[ja [8k\]: y
Ekei [14k\]: yeah
]
;B[bi]CR[bi]C[MysticoN [20k\]: yes
Barthoze [12k\]: agree
]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[yfh2 [7k?\]: is there something possible for W around Q18 ?
]
;B[mp]CR[mp])
(;B[en]CR[en]C[agui [7k\]: yes very impressive !
])))
(;W[jl]CR[jl]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[jn]CR[jn]TR[hj][hl][hn]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
genjiro [22k?\]: so good for white
Scribe [?\]: black escapes but runs through dame points
]
(;C[suducodu [?\]: And it's pushing into bs territory
Scribe [?\]: no gain for black in this sequence
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[jp]CR[jp]TR[di][dj][dk][cn][dp]C[Chalx [6k\]: even k4? is K4 still necessary?
])
(;B[hp]CR[hp]TR[jj][jl][jn]C[Scribe [?\]: Black has 20 points, 10 on top plus two open corners of 5 points each
Scribe [?\]: Plus White has greater center control
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]LB[ch:A][bi:B]TR[da][bd][ak][bk][ck]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: ~45 + influence
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: k
Zebigbos [10k?\]: 40 secure
Scribe [?\]: Practice counting
Grimley [8k\]: 30
haka [-\]: 4
Scribe [?\]: White points first
olczyk [16k\]: 41
hansb [2k?\]: 10
haka [-\]: 18
Zebigbos [10k?\]: 10
patanjali0 [7k\]: 10
krneki [9k\]: 10
nutcase [1k\]: 9
Imp20 [11k\]: 15
Killyym [15k\]: 15
smudge [12k?\]: hard to count precisely
olczyk [16k\]: 11
kieran [13k\]: 11
apitoo [4k\]: 11
Grimley [8k\]: 12
cocoon [8k\]: 11
goglu [-\]: about 10
zee [9k\]: How many points does W have now (approximately)?
Ekei [14k\]: 10
au2 [2k\]: 10
isshoni [13k\]: 10+
suducodu [?\]: 10
nutcase [1k\]: 9
FLgator [5k\]: 12
wingnut [-\]: ~11
MysticoN [20k\]: 12
dinosan [?\]: 12
Uvas [-\]: 15
Brutha [8k\]: 11
nutcase [1k\]: B15 b sente
dinosan [?\]: 12
Scribe [?\]: upper left first
Sotzem [8k\]: 11
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: 11
Slarty [3k\]: 15
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
patanjali0 [7k\]: at least 2
zee [9k\]: W has 30
Brutha [8k\]: white
Imp20 [11k\]: good for white
MysticoN [20k\]: white
wingnut [-\]: W
trickey [7k\]: black
Arkdragon [14k\]: white
olczyk [16k\]: W
krneki [9k\]: w
Ekei [14k\]: for w
Drag0n [8k\]: white
cocoon [8k\]: better for white
ja [8k\]: W
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: W
goglu [-\]: + komi -> good for white
dawn8 [21k?\]: white
Killyym [15k\]: w
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
NTT [7k\]: you told us the answer ;)
Scribe [?\]: White has 30 points, 13 in top left, 12 on left and 5 in open corner
RoninRo [4k\]: but black has sente now
haka [-\]: so the open corner is like 5 points?
Uvas [-\]: yes
okhna [14k?\]: ok
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: k
Ekei [14k\]: ok
genjiro [22k?\]: yes
NTT [7k\]: yes
Killyym [15k\]: kl
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: count influence of walls and strong groups?
MysticoN [20k\]: yup
musubi [8k\]: yes
olczyk [16k\]: when sente changes
genjiro [22k?\]: ok
Koreangrl8 [18k\]: center moyo and w can also invade?? right?
zee [9k\]: Game now is good for W (has 10 more points and controls center)
Scribe [?\]: Count before and after each fight
Scribe [?\]: before each fight to determine the plan
Scribe [?\]: after each fight to determine the result
wingnut [-\]: fight doesn't always go according to plan 
genjiro [22k?\]: ok
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: ok
Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
]
(;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[be]CR[be]TR[da][fb][ad][bd][ch]C[nutcase [1k\]: b shd play B15?
Scribe [?\]: d19 and b16 will never be points for black
zee [9k\]: Counting top left corner
dinosan [?\]: 13
suducodu [?\]: 12
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
shuei [-\]: 13
])
(;B[dm]CR[dm]C[Scribe [?\]: and create a new plan based upon the result
haka [-\]: how many points is shimari then?
haka [-\]: about?
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: clear
musubi [8k\]: yes
genjiro [22k?\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
Josh [?\]: yes
zee [9k\]: yes
Jakobicek [13k\]: yup
Drag0n [8k\]: yes
kieran [13k\]: you are clear
Koreangrl8 [18k\]: thank you
goglu [-\]: as always, very clear !
Grimley [8k\]: no questions
kieran [13k\]: how do you value a wall
genjiro [22k?\]: its clear enough ^^
sestir [3k\]: What is a fight?
Scribe [?\]: make counting before and after each fight a habit
swilks [7k\]: yes.  is the cut starting with j11 real, and since black behind, he should do it?
genjiro [22k?\]: :)
haka [-\]: how to count points from shimari or something like that 
suducodu [?\]: whats shimari?
Scribe [?\]: Very very important to count
haka [-\]: corner enclouser
lazy [?\]: enclosure
haka [-\]: closure*
olczyk [16k\]: Good to practice when watching games.
Uvas [-\]: 10-12 pints
Sekimoto [17k\]: what is a beautiful move?
kieran [13k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?shimari
lazy [?\]: killing moves are beatiful ;)
apitoo [4k\]: lol
Arkdragon [14k\]: yep
musubi [8k\]: yes
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[suducodu [?\]: Couldn't black have gone to b15?
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bi]CR[bi]TR[ia][ja][ka][ib][jb][kb][ic][jc][kc][nd][eh][ei][aj][ej][hj][ak][bk][ck][al][bl][hl][am][bm][an][bn][hn][pp]C[Scribe [?\]: black b15 is gote
suducodu [?\]: so...
suducodu [?\]: b can still play there, right?
dawn8 [21k?\]: think so
Scribe [?\]: can but loses initiative which is very important
blue88 [17k\]: white would get more than that point back @ suducodu
Arkdragon [14k\]: about 20
suducodu [?\]: Oh, i see...kinda
trickey [7k\]: 30
MysticoN [20k\]: 15
haka [-\]: 13
MysticoN [20k\]: around
MysticoN [20k\]: 15
Scribe [?\]: value of empty corner is 5 points
trickey [7k\]: 30
jantiff [6k?\]: 2 ;-)
][Scribe [?\]: black b15 is gote
]))))
(;B[ee]CR[ee]C[zee [9k\]: to overconcentrate B
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Chalx [6k\]: erase ponnuki?
yfh2 [7k?\]: but B won't connect
jantiff [6k?\]: nice dream :)
Arkdragon [14k\]: bad shape
Scribe [?\]: awful for black
]))
(;W[gc]CR[gc]))
(;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[hd]CR[hd]C[murky [?\]: B not good
Scribe [?\]: better path
]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[fg]CR[fg]))
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [?\]: possible line for black
zee [9k\]: B could do this
]))
(;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[Scribe [?\]: expected sequence
]))
(;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]TR[dj]C[zee [9k\]: good for B
Scribe [?\]: quite good for blakc
Scribe [?\]: outside with two star points on right
]))
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[ck]CR[ck]LB[ch:A]TR[cn][fq]C[MysticoN [20k\]: H3 ?
Scribe [?\]: this sequence is good for black, white c6 would be better at c7
yfh2 [7k?\]: what if W invades anyway ?
hate [1d\]: but what if W outclever B and play C7 as answer?? :>
genjiro [22k?\]: yep
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
NTT [7k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: umm...yes
zee [9k\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
scraper [16k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: black f3 induced white to play keima, now black c9 is much better
][MysticoN [20k\]: H3 ?
Scribe [?\]: this sequence is good for black, white c6 would be better at c7
][MysticoN [20k\]: H3 ?
Scribe [?\]: this sequence is good for black, white c6 would be better at c7
]))
(;W[cm]CR[cm]C[wingnut [-\]: see how W reply to F3 before deciding which joseki to play top left
genjiro [22k?\]: oo !
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[genjiro [22k?\]: fine variation
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bk]CR[bk]C[genjiro [22k?\]: xD
zee [9k\]: Pros play this way sometime
]
(;W[iq]CR[iq])
(;W[ip]CR[ip])
(;W[jp]CR[jp])))
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
(;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Scribe [?\]: black e9 eliminates the aji of invasion at c12 after white c7
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: i played it this morn
]
(;B[]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
(;B[bg]LB[be:A]TR[bg][ch]C[Scribe [?\]: This exchange (c12, b13) costs white 7 points
Scribe [?\]: Black can hane at A
]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]LB[jq:A]C[zee [9k\]: this is for influence
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[bh]CR[bh]C[Scribe [?\]: especially good if white has move around k4 already
]
;B[ah]CR[ah]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[ai]CR[ai]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[bl]CR[bl]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yep
]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[eh]CR[eh]LB[jq:A]C[Scribe [?\]: also a classic joseki
wingnut [-\]: yes
zee [9k\]: Also classic joseki
])
(;W[bj]CR[bj]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: it can be cut
]
;B[di]CR[di]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: White has two moves after black b13 d10 for influence, b10 for territory
suducodu [?\]: isn't white dead already?
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[zee [9k\]: this for territory
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[ed]CR[ed]LB[eg:C][dh:A][eh:B]C[suducodu [?\]: oh, i see
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bl]CR[bl]
;B[ek]CR[ek]LB[be:A]C[Scribe [?\]: black e16 prevents white cut at d12
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes yes
zee [9k\]: classic joseki
Arkdragon [14k\]: good infulence for black
]))
(;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[bf]CR[bf]))
(;B[ek]CR[ek]))
(;B[fq]CR[fq])))