(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[300]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-03-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[MysticoN [20k\]: hello ^^
rakdver [13k\]: hi
okhna [14k?\]: hello
Josh [?\]: hi
swissgo [12k\]: hi
musubi [8k\]: hi
patanjali0 [7k\]: hi
isshoni [13k\]: hello
Lilltiger [13k\]: hi
rzhao [5k\]: hi
Imp20 [11k\]: hello
momomo [?\]: hi
Bernd [12k\]: hi
yool [?\]: hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
haka [-\]: hi
bmattias [15k\]: hi
Killyym [15k\]: hiooi
wingnut [-\]: hey :)
kalim [13k\]: hello!
RoninRo [4k\]: hi
apitoo [4k\]: hello
gobasso [28k?\]: hello
Darkover [14k?\]: hello
Uvas [-\]: hello
Kezaar [19k\]: hi
parsan [21k\]: hi
genjiro [22k?\]: hi mingkiu
NTT [7k\]: hi
hansb [2k?\]: hi
genjiro [22k?\]:  ^^
Ekei [14k\]: hi
GuLOOM [5k\]: HI
Arkdragon [14k\]: hi
mandy [15k?\]: hello
smuin [?\]: hi
flogo [3k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Ni hao Mingjiu Laoshi
trickey [7k\]: hi
genjiro [22k?\]: mingjiu *
ST0NE [14k\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: yo
Hennuz [9k?\]: hi :)
Spon [18k\]: hi
marius1 [2k?\]: ni hao
Kezaar [19k\]: hi !
suducodu [?\]: Ni hao :P
shuei [-\]: hi
agui [7k\]: Hello
lazy [?\]: lol
Grimley [8k\]: :)
Glaxo [8k?\]: i knew it!
Arkdragon [14k\]: i get it
Grimley [8k\]: hehe
]
(;B[dp]CR[dp]C[jantiff [6k?\]: ni hao !
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: hello
Patience [9k?\]: hello
]
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: san ren sei
silver2k4 [18k\]: sure
Ekei [14k\]: no  black can split
murky [?\]: moyo=outside influence
blue88 [17k\]: finally check senseis library plz
KgsOvPl [3d\]: is the sound working ?
kieran [13k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?moyo
]
(;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[suducodu [?\]: Oh
Grimley [8k\]: look at sensei's library  please
nutcase [1k\]: moyo = framework
]
;B[pj]CR[pj]LB[dk:B][gn:A]C[lazy [?\]: suducodu, look them up at http://senseis.xmp.net when u want to know
kieran [13k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?sanrensei
Scribe [?\]: White can not play at A (g6)
Conch [10k\]: d4 k4 q4 san rei san
])
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Schizoid [-\]: E5? ^_^
yfh2 [7k?\]: Mingjiu : is it possible to raise your microphone level ? (stones very loud, your voice fainter) ...
MysticoN [20k\]: F5  
])
(;B[dk]CR[dk]C[Uvas [-\]: bah
Brutha [8k\]: f3?
GoSean [30k?\]: sounds good to me
flogo [3k\]: e8 ?
murky [?\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: very surprising move white e8 but playable
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: E6 ?
jantiff [6k?\]: no
Brutha [8k\]: no
Sekimoto [17k\]: uhmn
Killyym [15k\]: yes^^
rzhao [5k\]: y
isshoni [13k\]: Black D6?
]
(;W[cq]CR[cq])
(;W[en]CR[en]C[eldraco [?\]: san ren sei you mean
hansb [2k?\]: black G4?
Scribe [?\]: Mingjiu does not like d9 for black
flogo [3k\]: this echange f3 c3 is bad
flogo [3k\]: (-:
]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[hansb [2k?\]: black G4?
wingnut [-\]: yep
Imp20 [11k\]: territory game...
]
(;W[bp]CR[bp]C[suducodu [?\]: moyo? san rei san? What's that?
hansb [2k?\]: G6
cid [11k?\]: flogo tu perturbe^^
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[bk]CR[bk]C[Scribe [?\]: Mingjiu's preferred path
genjiro [22k?\]: fine
Scribe [?\]: black d9 floating
suducodu [?\]: But that's too good for black, isnt it?
Scribe [?\]: result good for white
]
(;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[qn]CR[qn])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: black played san ren sei but did not get moyo
suducodu [?\]: i mean b has the whole side
KgsOvPl [3d\]: i prefer white
]
;W[gn]CR[gn]))
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[suducodu [?\]: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: no
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: 0.o
Josh [?\]: !
trickey [7k\]: no
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[jantiff [6k?\]: gangster go ^^
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: : )
kashon [-\]: how to react if white playes ocunterpincer around d12  instead of slide at b4?
suducodu [?\]: bad move
lepinskie [8k?\]: yup
GoSean [30k?\]: x_x
wingnut [-\]: got it
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
zee [9k\]: this result same as game
Josh [?\]: yes!
trickey [7k\]: yes
Xris [-\]: :)
Arkdragon [14k\]: its bad?
suducodu [?\]: that's really really bad, right
Arkdragon [14k\]: for white
]
;W[di]CR[di]C[suducodu [?\]: Yep
Brutha [8k\]: does k2 work at that stage of the game?
Glaxo [8k?\]: g6?
wingnut [-\]: good, now be quiet and listen ;-)
]
(;B[gp]CR[gp]C[wingnut [-\]: not dead, just in danger (has no base)
suducodu [?\]: oh
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: Yo, i can hear again
cid [11k?\]: f6 for black
]
(;W[gn]CR[gn]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[zee [9k\]: game
]
;B[fl]CR[fl]C[Glaxo [8k?\]: "real game" - tee hee
Arkdragon [14k\]: white is bad position
blue88 [17k\]: nothing xD
wingnut [-\]: B better
agui [7k\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
Xris [-\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
ja [8k\]: yes
zee [9k\]: good for B
Drag0n [8k\]: yes
kieran [13k\]: yes
trickey [7k\]: tied game
jantiff [6k?\]: yes, white is heavy
neverthink [?\]: don know
Glaxo [8k?\]: W bottom left group is weak
marius1 [2k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: White four stones along line 6 are not working
trickey [7k\]: f6
suducodu [?\]: Umm. white is dead?
])
(;W[el]CR[el]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: wast a move
Arkdragon [14k\]: with g 4
zee [9k\]: G4 not good for B
zee [9k\]: B lost chance
]))
(;B[dm]CR[dm]C[murky [?\]: F9
neverthink [?\]: me 2
Arkdragon [14k\]: peep
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[ticktock [15k\]: I hear
suducodu [?\]: Oh, i'll see if i can fix it
Arkdragon [14k\]: whaT ABOUT E 8
]
(;B[fk]CR[fk]C[zee [9k\]: B should peep first
isshoni [13k\]: close the game and open it again, sudo
zee [9k\]: B should peep first here
]
;W[gn]CR[gn]C[wingnut [-\]: audio fine herre
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[suducodu [?\]: ummm...yes?
suducodu [?\]: Uh oh, what happened?
suducodu [?\]: i cant hear
jantiff [6k?\]: good flow :)
zee [9k\]: now G4 becomes a thank you move
Grimley [8k\]: why f9 shape?
suducodu [?\]: somethings happened to the audio
zee [9k\]: prevents W from e8
suducodu [?\]: can you guys here?
eldraco [?\]: it's at your side, suducodu
])
(;B[gp]CR[gp]C[lazy [?\]: one q how do f9 and f8 compare?
]
;W[gn]CR[gn]
(;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Scribe [?\]: bad shape/result for black
Scribe [?\]: failed to play f7, forcing white to connect first
]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[Scribe [?\]: White L6 too fast
zee [9k\]: L6 is bad for W
]
(;W[kn]CR[kn]C[zee [9k\]: game
]
(;B[jl]CR[jl])
(;B[lp]CR[lp]C[Scribe [?\]: lets black attack easily at k8
]
;W[jk]CR[jk]C[zee [9k\]: better for W to jump tok7
]
(;B[il]CR[il]C[Scribe [?\]: black m4 missed chance, slow move
])
(;B[fj]CR[fj]C[Scribe [?\]: black f10 slow
zee [9k\]: f10
]
(;W[cf]CR[cf]C[zee [9k\]: slow
]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[kk]CR[kk]C[Scribe [?\]: terrible result for white
zee [9k\]: terrible for w
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Grimley [8k\]: no
Ameise [9k\]: no
trickey [7k\]: no
Grimley [8k\]: great lesson
Glaxo [8k?\]: where do you live?
])
(;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[cf]CR[cf]))))
(;W[jm]CR[jm]C[Imp20 [11k\]: k6
Scribe [?\]: white L6 bad shape
]))
(;B[fk]CR[fk]
(;W[fm]CR[fm]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: ok but
zee [9k\]: B played wrong sequence but W did not take advantage
])
(;W[hm]CR[hm]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[fn]CR[fn]TR[fk]))))))
(;W[el]CR[el]C[agui [7k\]: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: no
EnliBikal [12k\]: no
haka [-\]: nope
Scribe [?\]: yes
kieran [13k\]: no
Josh [?\]: rearely
flogo [3k\]: yes
isshoni [13k\]: no
RoninRo [4k\]: nope
trickey [7k\]: no
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: no
patanjali0 [7k\]: no
sestir [3k\]: yes
Kezaar [19k\]: no
murky [?\]: not with star
Brutha [8k\]: no
Sekimoto [17k\]: e8 no
jantiff [6k?\]: sometimes
rzhao [5k\]: no
Hennuz [9k?\]: neve
silver2k4 [18k\]: never
genjiro [22k?\]: no 
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: 0.o
hansb [2k?\]: yes
murky [?\]: 3-4
suducodu [?\]: no!!
genjiro [22k?\]: lolol
blue88 [17k\]: b d7?
])
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[zee [9k\]: game
agui [7k\]: yes
cocoon [8k\]: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: not me
EnliBikal [12k\]: no
suducodu [?\]: kinda
marius1 [2k?\]:  no c3
Ameise [9k\]: F4 better
patanjali0 [7k\]: no
Scribe [?\]: drives white into the area black seeks to create as moyo
EnliBikal [12k\]: e5 now?
murky [?\]: If W's D16 at D17, is itok?
goglu [-\]: handicap style
zee [9k\]: B wants to make moyo but nownot good move for W
marius1 [2k?\]: c3
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: 0.o
]
(;W[eo]CR[eo]TR[dk]C[Scribe [?\]: Black c3 good move in this situation
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: c3 is the good move ?
zee [9k\]: e6 cut was bad
Scribe [?\]: E4 protects/grows major area
]
(;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Scribe [?\]: black has more stones in the local area
johnny [11k\]: can both groups live once W is spit?
Scribe [?\]: E4 better than D5
zee [9k\]: B should cut here
]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: ok
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[go]CR[go]C[hansb [2k?\]: sound has gone
Arkdragon [14k\]: pinwheel
KgsOvPl [3d\]: this is interesting
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
kieran [13k\]: sound fine here
KgsOvPl [3d\]: but white dodge with E2 i think
ST0NE [14k\]: nice
Scribe [?\]: this fighting good for black
spingle [10k\]: hansb rejoin the room or restart cgoban
])
(;B[do]CR[do]
;W[dn]CR[dn]LB[en:A]
;B[en]CR[en]C[Scribe [?\]: wrong direction for black
Uvas [-\]: f5
jantiff [6k?\]: D8
agui [7k\]: F5
goglu [-\]: D8 
ihgo [6k\]: D8
Imp20 [11k\]: its on and off =/
Brutha [8k\]: f7?
dagge [5k\]: sound ok here
wingnut [-\]: E7 
johnny [11k\]: B c9?
]
(;W[fo]CR[fo]C[trickey [7k\]: f5
Scribe [?\]: White can not play F5, the black d9 stone now very good
]
;B[em]CR[em]TR[dk][jp]C[johnny [11k\]: f6
suducodu [?\]: how about e7?
murky [?\]: No sound
genjiro [22k?\]: yeah
Uvas [-\]: bleh
eldraco [?\]: got sound here
])
(;W[dl]CR[dl]C[sestir [3k\]: net lag
Arkdragon [14k\]: how k2
zee [9k\]: W can live with K2
Scribe [?\]: atari with e7 induces black to get strong on both sides of white
]
(;B[fo]CR[fo]C[Scribe [?\]: White d8 tesuji
]
;W[el]CR[el]LB[jr:A]C[Scribe [?\]: white still can live with k2
Arkdragon [14k\]: why?
suducodu [?\]: How?
jantiff [6k?\]: poor D9 :(
zee [9k\]: not good for B
patanjali0 [7k\]: how?
])
(;B[ek]CR[ek]C[goglu [-\]: other atari
]
(;W[em]CR[em]
;B[fn]CR[fn])
(;W[fn]CR[fn]C[jantiff [6k?\]: F6 and drive ! :)
]
;B[em]CR[em]C[suducodu [?\]: no way
eldraco [?\]: then we8
])
(;W[fl]CR[fl]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[el]CR[el]C[jantiff [6k?\]: nice
zee [9k\]: better for W
])))
(;W[em]CR[em]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[dl]CR[dl]C[murky [?\]: gote move
]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[gn]CR[gn]C[zee [9k\]: atari with e7 is bad
])))
(;W[en]CR[en]
;B[fp]CR[fp]))))
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Grimley [8k\]: now you know again
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[trickey [7k\]: cutter
swilks [7k\]: c3
M0u53 [?\]: e5
Imp20 [11k\]: e5?
okhna [14k?\]: e5?
Glaxo [8k?\]: c3?
murky [?\]: d6
lazy [?\]: e5
Brutha [8k\]: e5
haka [-\]: e5
trickey [7k\]: c3
hansb [2k?\]: C3
Ekei [14k\]: c3
CarlBarks [20k\]: g4
apitoo [4k\]: e5
scraper [15k\]: e5
eldraco [?\]: c3 or e5
ST0NE [14k\]: e2
zee [9k\]: Where should B play now?
jeko [16k\]: d3 ?
isshoni [13k\]: d6 ?
Glaxo [8k?\]: c5?
trickey [7k\]: not d
sestir [3k\]: d6
]
(;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[gp]CR[gp]C[zee [9k\]: after this where is B's moyo?
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[wingnut [-\]: gone
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[haka [-\]: what about e5 instead of f4
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]C[jantiff [6k?\]: making D10 look misplaced ?
])
(;B[cq]CR[cq]C[trickey [7k\]: c3
Glaxo [8k?\]: i said that ages ago
lazy [?\]: :(
eldraco [?\]: c3 is a bit advanced maybe ;)
haka [-\]: but e5!! :D
zee [9k\]: this is B's best move
ST0NE [14k\]: great
]
(;W[eo]CR[eo]C[jantiff [6k?\]: good with 2 pincers
Arkdragon [14k\]: how is it good?
hansb [2k?\]: white H4
spingle [10k\]: but usually it is e5 which is best. What is different in this situation?
Imp20 [11k\]: d5
eldraco [?\]: cut at d5
Scribe [?\]: D5
haka [-\]: when there is h3, c3 is the best move?
jantiff [6k?\]: D5
zee [9k\]: if W plays e5
agui [7k\]: e4
Ekei [14k\]: d5
kieran [13k\]: D5 
marius1 [2k?\]: d5
]
(;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: e 4
Scribe [?\]: E4 is wrong direction
])
(;B[do]CR[do]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[en]CR[en]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: oh ic
Arkdragon [14k\]: in
]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[em]CR[em]C[zee [9k\]: this is best
Scribe [?\]: Again black must protect major area with  push cut starting at D5
]
(;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[Scribe [?\]: Black corner is alive
kieran [13k\]: haka, h3 stone is too close
apitoo [4k\]: cant white make shape with d8 now, right after e6 cut?
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]C[eldraco [?\]: e5 is a good move also
]
;B[bo]CR[bo]C[haka [-\]: we want to know, why not to play e5 :)
haka [-\]: what's wrong with that 
zee [9k\]: corner lives
])
(;W[cl]CR[cl]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: white 9in trouble
]
;B[hn]CR[hn]C[haka [-\]: kieran, thanks
jantiff [6k?\]: wow
])))
(;W[fn]CR[fn]C[eldraco [?\]: he only suggests you try c3 in your games
zee [9k\]: game
FLgator [5k\]: F4
wingnut [-\]: E5 
spingle [10k\]: e5
ST0NE [14k\]: e5
CarlBarks [20k\]: f4
RoninRo [4k\]: e5
blue88 [17k\]: d6?
Glaxo [8k?\]: e5?
silver2k4 [18k\]: e5
gogab [14k\]: f4
isshoni [13k\]: d6?
Arkdragon [14k\]: f 4
agui [7k\]: f4
Imp20 [11k\]: tenuki
jantiff [6k?\]: E6 ?
okhna [14k?\]: l3
dagge [5k\]: f4
Glaxo [8k?\]: d6?
noel [15k\]: o3
GoSean [30k?\]: f4
goglu [-\]: F4 
kieran [13k\]: O3 
Arkdragon [14k\]: F 4
cid [11k?\]: f5
okhna [14k?\]: ?
trickey [7k\]: f4-d6
isshoni [13k\]: L3?
GoSean [30k?\]: my second choice
jantiff [6k?\]: ^_^
Grimley [8k\]: arkdragon try to be quiet for 5 mins and just try to learn
Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
]
(;B[en]CR[en]C[krneki [9k\]: .
wingnut [-\]: cool
GoSean [30k?\]: got it
gobasso [28k?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
scraper [15k\]: yes
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
trickey [7k\]: yeh
CarlBarks [20k\]: cool
Glaxo [8k?\]: so, e6 is the worst move
trickey [7k\]: thx
wingnut [-\]: I'm sure Arkdragon has many questions 
blue88 [17k\]: 18:29 ^^
Imp20 [11k\]: ? e6 is the best more for black
Grimley [8k\]: lol
Arkdragon [14k\]: hey!
]
(;W[em]CR[em]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
(;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[fm]CR[fm]C[zee [9k\]: e6 is right
])
(;W[fm]CR[fm]C[zee [9k\]: bad shape for W
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]))
(;W[fo]CR[fo]C[trickey [7k\]: w can make a base
Arkdragon [14k\]: cant black be cut
]
;B[em]CR[em]C[zee [9k\]: better result for B
Arkdragon [14k\]: b can be cut
ST0NE [14k\]: i see
Kentaro02 [12k\]: yes....
Glaxo [8k?\]: cool pattern
kieran [13k\]: yes
Kentaro02 [12k\]: yes it is
wingnut [-\]: clear
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
lepinskie [8k?\]: clear
scraper [15k\]: yes
silver2k4 [18k\]: clear
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
jantiff [6k?\]: fine
Arkdragon [14k\]: wait
mandy [15k?\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: wait
Glaxo [8k?\]: crystal
]))
(;B[fp]CR[fp]C[Scribe [?\]: bad result for bad, too slow, five stones kill only one white stone
]
(;W[gp]CR[gp]C[zee [9k\]: B cannot play this
Scribe [?\]: E6 is the move, f4 is wrong
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]TR[cn][fn]C[Glaxo [8k?\]: i would never have thought of that e6
Brutha [8k\]: why can't white play g3?
]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[go]CR[go])
(;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Brutha [8k\]: why was g4-g3 bad?
Glaxo [8k?\]: bullies
zee [9k\]: too slow
]))
(;B[eo]CR[eo]C[blue88 [17k\]: w connected
GoSean [30k?\]: yeah, too slow?
apitoo [4k\]: g7
Brutha [8k\]: f4?
zee [9k\]: if B plays this...
Drag0n [8k\]: g7
haka [-\]: f5
agui [7k\]: F5
ticktock [15k\]: f5
haka [-\]: f5
ST0NE [14k\]: f5
]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[rakdver [13k\]: f5
wingnut [-\]: E6 
Ekei [14k\]: f5
Glaxo [8k?\]: f5
GoSean [30k?\]: f5
]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[kp]CR[kp]TR[cn][fn][eo]C[Scribe [?\]: now white is creating a moyo in place of blakc
murky [?\]: moyo gone for B
agui [7k\]: no
zee [9k\]: not good for B
][Scribe [?\]: now white is creating a moyo in place of blakc
]
;TR[cm]C[Glaxo [8k?\]: d6
Imp20 [11k\]: thats awesome heh
]
;B[]C[zee [9k\]: B cannot kill W on left
Arkdragon [14k\]: hit the head
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[Scribe [?\]: White still has aji on left side
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[bj]CR[bj]C[Scribe [?\]: killing the two whites stones is too small
]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bl]CR[bl])
(;B[dn]CR[dn]C[gohaschaos [6k?\]: :))
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]C[Imp20 [11k\]: e6
]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: ~_~
zee [9k\]: game
]
(;W[gp]CR[gp]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: E3 
])
(;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: E4 
zee [9k\]: after this hane, B cannot continue
]
;W[fl]CR[fl]
;B[gm]CR[gm]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[hm]CR[hm]))))))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[wingnut [-\]: good
Arkdragon [14k\]: finally
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Glaxo [8k?\]: interesting fuseki
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Imp20 [11k\]: i think its a life or death problem
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: a roble,m?
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: problem
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Glaxo [8k?\]: shw
Drag0n [8k\]: the one from last week
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: with f1 and change it goes fasrer
haka [-\]: r18 first
Arkdragon [14k\]: i wasnt here last week
Kentaro02 [12k\]: faster
Kentaro02 [12k\]: i thought white to kill -.-
]
(;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ac]CR[ac]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: R18 
Kentaro02 [12k\]: firs
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: then
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: P19 
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Kentaro02 [12k\]: R18 
Imp20 [11k\]: r19
Kentaro02 [12k\]: first turn
lazy [?\]: yes
silver2k4 [18k\]: R18
CarlBarks [20k\]: p19
okhna [14k?\]: what is the difference question
Imp20 [11k\]: hwo is first?
hansb [2k?\]: 343
haka [-\]: r18 is the first?
Kentaro02 [12k\]: R18 is first
blue88 [17k\]: r16
Kentaro02 [12k\]: and then w kills
lazy [?\]: two ways to attack and make live :)
Imp20 [11k\]: what color first?
Arkdragon [14k\]: p 19
Kentaro02 [12k\]: then b plays
Kentaro02 [12k\]:  P19 
Kentaro02 [12k\]: white plays
Kentaro02 [12k\]: O19 
Kentaro02 [12k\]: O18  black
Arkdragon [14k\]: i think p 19
Scatee [9k\]: isnt it dead?
Lilltiger [13k\]: tenuki =)
lazy [?\]: http://www.goproblems.com/prob.php3?id=6097&psetid=939535&setname=Problems+by+santa+c :)
Glaxo [8k?\]: am i missing something? b looks totally dead
Kentaro02 [12k\]: now its dead
goglu [-\]: can black live ?
noel [15k\]: no
noel [15k\]: i don't think
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[genjiro [22k?\]: tsumego ?
genjiro [22k?\]: (sory im just back)
]
;W[ma]CR[ma])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[kb]CR[kb]C[lazy [?\]: http://www.goproblems.com/prob.php3?id=6098&psetid=939535&setname=Problems+by+santa+c :)
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[lazy [?\]: 7
trickey [7k\]: 2
Arkdragon [14k\]: about 6
Drag0n [8k\]: 7
goglu [-\]: lots
au2 [2k\]: next week
Glaxo [8k?\]: last week please!
lazy [?\]: r19 and o18-m19 square
haka [-\]: thanks
wingnut [-\]: next week is fine
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
GoSean [30k?\]: thank you!
okhna [14k?\]: thank you very much 
rakdver [13k\]: thank you
wingnut [-\]: Thank You Mingjiu, Guo Juan & Scribe
blue88 [17k\]: one week deliberating about attacking dead groups? xD
mandy [15k?\]: thanks
trickey [7k\]: thc
ST0NE [14k\]: thanks
musubi [8k\]: thx
Hennuz [9k?\]: thx!
Imp20 [11k\]: thank you =)
kieran [13k\]: thank you
gobasso [28k?\]: thnak you
CarlBarks [20k\]: thank you
RoninRo [4k\]: thx ming jiu
rzhao [5k\]: thx
zee [9k\]: Thanks...
kirschi [18k\]: thx
jkk [18k\]: thanks
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: thx very much
noel [15k\]: thank you
Xris [-\]: thank you very much
Imp20 [11k\]: yes
Ermac [10k\]: thank you
au2 [2k\]: thans to ING FOUNDATION
CarlBarks [20k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: see you next week
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
GoSean [30k?\]: yes!
smuin [?\]: thank you
trickey [7k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
GuLOOM [5k\]: thank you so much
zee [9k\]: excellent
blue88 [17k\]: thx
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Jakobicek [13k\]: thx
Glaxo [8k?\]: is attack necessary?
kieran [13k\]: very much
okhna [14k?\]: yes
Spon [18k\]: thx
noel [15k\]: yes very much :)
silver2k4 [18k\]: yes!
mandy [15k?\]: yes
musubi [8k\]: yes
jantiff [6k?\]: great teaching !
zeroblue42 [16k\]: yes thank you
])))