(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-03-13]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[okhna [14k?\]: hello
NTT [8k\]: hi
kole [5k\]: hi mingjiu
oyo [9k\]: hi
rzhao [5k\]: hi
gorocks [28k?\]: hello
Ermac [10k\]: hi
gaius [13k\]: hi
goglu [-\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: hi
okhna [14k?\]: yes
zviratko [12k?\]: hi
playgo [4k\]: hi
jantiff [7k?\]: nihao mingjiu !
Bodo212 [15k\]: hello
ST0NE [14k\]: hi
zviratko [12k?\]: yes
gertzu [13k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: nihao mingjiu laoshi
Arkdragon [14k\]: hi
wrong [1d?\]: hello
musubi [8k\]: hi
iprincess [?\]: hello
doIknowYou [?\]: hi mingjiu!
wingnut [-\]: hi ming jiu
Uvas [-\]: hi
wrong [1d?\]: 'm watching "taken" at teh same time :(
balance [6k\]: hi
smuin [?\]: hello
Uvas [-\]: yes
musubi [8k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: Hello
wingnut [-\]: was great
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yea
smuin [?\]: yes
Ermac [10k\]: yes
IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: very quiet voice....not too easy to hear
EmTom [18k?\]: a little louder pls???
wingnut [-\]: both
musubi [8k\]: both
Uvas [-\]: heh
playgo [4k\]: both
zviratko [12k?\]: both
Arkdragon [14k\]: both
ST0NE [14k\]: both
ligo [8k\]: jujo
Grimley [8k\]: joseki stuff now maybe?
okhna [14k?\]: i love amateurs more
agui [7k\]: both
Uvas [-\]: good
Scribe [?\]: shape lesson
balance [6k\]: good
Bodo212 [15k\]: basical shpes
Scribe [?\]: white j5 allows white to get a nice shape
Arkdragon [14k\]: whats the book called
Grimley [8k\]: there are many joseki books
ST0NE [14k\]: start with 38 basic joseki
Arkdragon [14k\]: ^_^
Kryptos [7k?\]: any book with joseki in the title
haka [-\]: get strong at joseki 1-3
Kryptos [7k?\]: =)
Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
kalim [13k\]: do google search for kgo's dictionary
olczyk [16k\]: 38 basic joseki bad book.
kalim [13k\]: kogo
doIknowYou [?\]: there are no new joseki book in english...
olczyk [16k\]: kogo's
gogy [9k\]: 1d in ten days..
Nikos [19k\]: ?
lazy [?\]: yup...
Kryptos [7k?\]: yeah
wrong [1d?\]: homework^_^
Nikos [19k\]: 10 days?
Arkdragon [14k\]: is joseki better to reaD then life and death book
]
(;B[dq]CR[dq]C[kalim [13k\]: r8?
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[wrong [1d?\]: I'm in good shape, but my groups are not
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
(;W[co]CR[co]C[agui [7k\]: what if white jumps to J5 after B M4
]
(;B[cm]CR[cm]LB[dm:A][eo:B][dp:E][ep:C][fq:D]TR[dq]C[Scribe [?\]: white has a lot of options here
olczyk [16k\]: Both me and my groups are in bad shape.
]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: :(
Scribe [?\]: white two ways after black f4
doIknowYou [?\]: can White play at D8?
genjiro [21k?\]: hi
balance [6k\]: komooku
Scribe [?\]: if black d3 as at star point then perhaps e8
]
(;W[hp]CR[hp]C[IdnOuNaGe [9k\]: D8 ?
doIknowYou [?\]: ok, komoku forbids the corner for W in this joseki
doIknowYou [?\]: thank you
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
(;W[dk]CR[dk])
(;W[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [?\]: joseki
]))
(;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[fo]CR[fo]C[TonyTiger [5k\]: I have seen D8 played many times. Is it considered bad nowadays?
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[dk]CR[dk]TR[ho][hp]C[Grimley [8k\]: d8: its marked as a joseki in my dictionary
]
;B[hq]CR[hq]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: yes with d3
kalim [13k\]: oh
Scribe [?\]: black gets nice shape, white being high at h5 allows this 
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[kalim [13k\]: last
Kryptos [7k?\]: r8 for the right joseki
kalim [13k\]: yea
Hu [10k\]: R8 question was for other joseki
])
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Scribe [?\]: white is confiued and small
]
(;W[cp]CR[cp]C[Scribe [?\]: not right
]
;B[do]CR[do])
(;W[do]CR[do]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[Scribe [?\]: bad for white
]
;B[cr]CR[cr]))
(;W[fo]CR[fo]LB[cj:A]C[Scribe [?\]: amateur move
balance [6k\]: :)
Arkdragon [14k\]: how do u fallow out with D 10
wingnut [-\]: clear
Kryptos [7k?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
musubi [8k\]: yes
oyo [9k\]: yes
okhna [14k?\]: clear
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes
doIknowYou [?\]: ok
smuin [?\]: yes
tibra [8k?\]: yes
Drag0n [8k\]: yes
Markfg50 [13k\]: Yes
lazy [?\]: wait a sec -
TheWayToGo [18k\]: mmmh
lazy [?\]: if w has a stone around c10?
balance [6k\]: black does not pincer
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Scribe [?\]: white b3 is too small, black can run on outside
Scribe [?\]: once mistake of pushing from behind must continue with pincer against c7
]
(;W[go]CR[go]C[okhna [14k?\]: slow?
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]TR[fo][go]C[Kryptos [7k?\]: give black to much territory
Kryptos [7k?\]: and white still in trouble
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]TR[cm][fo][go][fp][gp][hp]C[kjp [6k\]: push from behind
Scribe [?\]: pushing from behind, black territory grows naturally
Scribe [?\]: black will give up c7 and take profit elsewhere
balance [6k\]: true
]
(;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Scribe [?\]: exchange or marked stones very good for black
])
(;B[cp]CR[cp]))
(;W[bq]CR[bq]C[Scribe [?\]: very bad mistake (white f5)
]
(;B[em]CR[em]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[hp]CR[hp]C[balance [6k\]: is another komoku miostake
])
(;B[go]CR[go]C[lazy [?\]: what if w has a stone ~ c10?
jantiff [7k?\]: don't push from behind without a good reason
]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[Scribe [?\]: white j3 too close to black strength
]
(;W[kp]CR[kp]TR[fm][go]C[Scribe [?\]: black e7 forces white to help black make territory on bottom
Kryptos [7k?\]: black wants territory on both bot and left sides heh
jantiff [7k?\]: not really !
Scribe [?\]: L4 weird move no ?
oyo [9k\]: bad for black
])
(;W[iq]CR[iq]TR[fm][go]C[jantiff [7k?\]: lol
balance [6k\]: oki
Kryptos [7k?\]: why not sacrifice c7?
]
(;B[jp]CR[jp]TR[cm][go][iq]C[balance [6k\]: idel
balance [6k\]: ideal
Scribe [?\]: easy for black to attack white j3
Scribe [?\]: after the g5 f7 exchange
yfh2 [7k?\]: not from L3 ?
balance [6k\]: good question
Kryptos [7k?\]: b g6 w d8
])
(;B[gn]CR[gn]C[balance [6k\]: seems
Scribe [?\]: g6 not sente
balance [6k\]: so nice ming
]
(;W[em]CR[em]C[hansb [3k?\]: what would happn eafter bM4 and wJ5?
Grimley [8k\]: what if white ignores g6 and plays m3 instantly
kole [5k\]: ..
MysticoN [19k\]: ahave u ever played one color go `?
ST0NE [14k\]: Your mistake changes to a good move if your opponent makes a bigger mistake.
spingle [9k\]: you didn't choose d6 to begin with as a joseki move, was that deliberate?
yfh2 [7k?\]: what if black plays L3  now ?
]
(;B[lp]CR[lp]C[Scribe [?\]: what black was hoping for
Scribe [?\]: proper attack on white j3
kalim [13k\]: where white want to play
yfh2 [7k?\]: is L3 a bad move from black ?
balance [6k\]: heheh
murky [?\]: catch a big one
musubi [8k\]: hehe
])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]C[Striker [-\]: how strong are the players?
]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[ip]CR[ip]TR[em][gn]C[Scribe [?\]: marked stones are bad exchange for black
])
(;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[gr]CR[gr]TR[iq]C[kalim [13k\]: ;0
jantiff [7k?\]: aw
Arkdragon [14k\]: white made life
wingnut [-\]: P3 very wide pincer :P
Scribe [?\]: now the white bad move j3 is made into a good move
]))
(;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[dm]CR[dm]C[balance [6k\]: evn nicer
]
;B[el]CR[el]C[jantiff [7k?\]: ^^
]
;W[dk]CR[dk])))))
(;W[dj]CR[dj]C[gaius [13k\]: no follow up move?
Scribe [?\]: white b3 is another mistake
]))
(;W[dl]CR[dl]C[Scribe [?\]: f5 amateur move
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[ci]CR[ci]TR[dq]C[Scribe [?\]: white can not play e8....top corner is not white
TonyTiger [5k\]: so this is not joseki?
]))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[lazy [?\]: then getting here would be unreasonable altogether? :)
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[lazy [?\]: ^^*
]
(;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[oyo [9k\]: black do not pincer...
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]C[Striker [-\]: hehe
])
(;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[]
(;B[dm]CR[dm]C[balance [6k\]: nice
lazy [?\]: yes for fight... thanks
]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fp]CR[fp])
(;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[dl]CR[dl]C[doIknowYou [?\]: lol
Striker [-\]: wait
lazy [?\]: thanks ^^*
TheWayToGo [18k\]: yep
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
oyo [9k\]: yes
balance [6k\]: if black doesnt pincer whgat happend
balance [6k\]: ?
Grimley [8k\]: ok clear
]))))
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [?\]: joseki
]))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: kite
]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[Scribe [?\]: both are joseki
Arkdragon [14k\]: w gete sente
])
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[balance [6k\]: if simply f4
TheWayToGo [18k\]: at what level did u start studying joseki ?
]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: ask agean
ST0NE [14k\]: I stated two weeks ago.
wingnut [-\]: 20k... I just didn't understand most of it ;-)
TheWayToGo [18k\]: i think too
]
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[Drag0n [8k\]: i prefer other way :}
lazy [?\]: (not yet... but i'm 42k... ;)
Rastaman [8k\]: i know just 4 or 5 josekis
]
;B[hq]CR[hq])
(;W[hp]CR[hp]C[Rastaman [8k\]: it's not very important i think
]
;B[ho]CR[ho]C[balance [6k\]: i think important to understand it
Kryptos [7k?\]: carpenters box at 1d
]
;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[io]CR[io]C[TheWayToGo [18k\]: yep, when u understand them, u understand go better
doIknowYou [?\]: 50 joseki: how many moves per joseki do you mean?
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[balance [6k\]: not to memorize them
]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[er]CR[er]C[wingnut [-\]: when u understand all joseki U will be 9p :p
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[Kryptos [7k?\]: one... there are to many variations to memorize lol
]
;W[ds]CR[ds]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[es]CR[es]
;B[gr]CR[gr]C[TheWayToGo [18k\]: 100 level at 1dan ?
wrong [1d?\]: meijin and 10 kyus need no joseki ;)
]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[bs]CR[bs]C[gogy [9k\]: i dont know any..
]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[hr]CR[hr]C[wingnut [-\]: 1000's of joseki
]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[cs]CR[cs]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[TheWayToGo [18k\]: ouch....
ST0NE [14k\]: nice
TheWayToGo [18k\]: 2 hard
])
(;W[iq]CR[iq]C[balance [6k\]: no
Kryptos [7k?\]: its important to know like 4 or 5
Kryptos [7k?\]: then they just build off of each other
TheWayToGo [18k\]: yes, most common
]
(;B[bo]CR[bo]C[TheWayToGo [18k\]: rote memorization.... no good ;o)
]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[ds]CR[ds]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[es]CR[es]
;B[hq]CR[hq])
(;B[ip]CR[ip]C[olczyk [16k\]: not 38?
]
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[TheWayToGo [18k\]: "carpenters box" = ?
])
(;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]C[wrong [1d?\]: hmm, those who want too much will find them often frustrated
wingnut [-\]: carpinter's square = L&D 
]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[bo]CR[bo]C[krneki [9k\]: look it up on SL
oeillet [9k\]: carpenter box = square 3 in the corner
]
(;W[cr]CR[cr]C[gogy [9k\]: that isnt joseki..
TheWayToGo [18k\]: oki
doIknowYou [?\]: olcszyk: i don t think there is this book in china
])
(;W[co]CR[co]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bl]CR[bl]C[Kryptos [7k?\]: c9
goglu [-\]: c9
Drag0n [8k\]: c9
haka [-\]: c9 of course? =)
Nikos [19k\]: D9 
]
(;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[wingnut [-\]: yuck
haka [-\]: nononono
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
(;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[wingnut [-\]: dumpling shape
]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[fl]CR[fl]C[Kryptos [7k?\]: instead of b9
]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[fk]CR[fk]C[Kryptos [7k?\]: why not bf7
Nikos [19k\]: sorry
Kryptos [7k?\]: B F7
])
(;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[cj]CR[cj]TR[em][en][eo][ip][jp][kp][gq][hq][iq][jq][lq]))
(;B[ck]CR[ck]))))))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: ?
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[wrong [1d?\]: but I missed last lesson :(((((((((
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: try Essential Joseki by Rui Naiwei
]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
(;W[lb]CR[lb]C[qwak [12k?\]: life&death is much more important than joseki
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[lazy [?\]: wrong, same hw from the previous one
doIknowYou [?\]: get strong at joseki
wingnut [-\]: up-to-date Joseki Books in English is a problem
kalim [13k\]: how many to kill!
Arkdragon [14k\]: ok i get life and death book tonight
EmTom [18k?\]: yeah 
lazy [?\]: yup...
chucha [19k\]: yes
Nikos [19k\]: yes
Kryptos [7k?\]: yeah
musubi [8k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yeah
marmotte [9k?\]: nice joseki
pugh [16k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: 7
haka [-\]: r18
Drag0n [8k\]: for life and death rather go to www.goproblems.com ^^
wrong [1d?\]: oh no, this is old one
Nikos [19k\]: 2
Kryptos [7k?\]: 3
hansb [3k?\]: 343
wrong [1d?\]: M18->L18
goglu [-\]: 300 ways
Kryptos [7k?\]: lol
Kryptos [7k?\]: cuz its dead
wrong [1d?\]: tenuki
haka [-\]: tenuki ^^
])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[balance [6k\]: ?
]
(;W[jc]CR[jc]LB[la:B][lb:A]C[wrong [1d?\]: although W q19 would be huge mistake :)
Uvas [-\]: yes
musubi [8k\]: yes
lazy [?\]: still 7...
kole [5k\]: no
Kryptos [7k?\]: no
Striker [-\]: no
noel [16k\]: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: whats tenuki?
Kryptos [7k?\]: tenuki = play else where
Markfg50 [13k\]: Play somewhere else.
wrong [1d?\]: O18 best
Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
kole [5k\]: b will s19
goglu [-\]: at least 8
lazy [?\]: m,n,o19 as well m,n,o18 and r19 = seven total
Drag0n [8k\]: 7 ways?
lazy [?\]: yes
balance [6k\]: yes
wrong [1d?\]: w o19 works too
haka [-\]: o18 and that's all ^^
goglu [-\]: S19 ?
balance [6k\]: can black push
qwak [12k?\]: arkdragon, amount isn't important, reading is :)
wrong [1d?\]: for B
wrong [1d?\]: no
wrong [1d?\]: a ko for B
lazy [?\]: life
hanagumi [3k?\]: 7method
wingnut [-\]: best depends on outside position
]
(;B[nb]CR[nb])
(;B[]LB[la:B][ma:C][na:F][qa:G][lb:A][mb:D][nb:E]C[goglu [-\]: R19
wrong [1d?\]: no
wrong [1d?\]: "kill 3 for an eye"
balance [6k\]: can we see g again
balance [6k\]: ?
Arkdragon [14k\]: i got it right!!!!!!!!1111
Kryptos [7k?\]: p19?
Arkdragon [14k\]: i said 7
gogy [9k\]: no ko
goglu [-\]: how about L19 for white ?
goglu [-\]: oh I see
Markfg50 [13k\]: R19 doesn't kill in that sequence
goglu [-\]: L19 does not work
oeillet [9k\]: ok
Koreangrl8 [18k\]: black is dead.no matter what? no ko right?
Jubjub [16k\]: which is the best or all the same?
wrong [1d?\]: ko was intended for kyus as a bait ;)
]
(;W[la]CR[la]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: no
Kryptos [7k?\]: on
Kryptos [7k?\]: no
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na])
(;W[mb]CR[mb])
(;W[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[ma]CR[ma])
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Koreangrl8 [18k\]: ^ -^
okhna [14k?\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
oeillet [9k\]: ok
Drag0n [8k\]: ya
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
musubi [8k\]: yes
Markfg50 [13k\]: Yep
Koreangrl8 [18k\]: ok
Olivier005 [19k\]: yes
])
(;W[na]CR[na])
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[wrong [1d?\]: so, the best MOVE is just to...
Nikos [19k\]: P19 
lazy [?\]: yes
balance [6k\]: r18
Arkdragon [14k\]: feh
balance [6k\]: r18
Olivier005 [19k\]: S19
]
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[wrong [1d?\]: where ever it lands
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[wrong [1d?\]: throw a stone and where ever it falls
]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[balance [6k\]: rdead
])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [1d?\]: is a good move :)
balance [6k\]: but r18 first
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na]C[balance [6k\]: then
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[balance [6k\]: r16?
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[oa]CR[oa])
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [1d?\]: r16 is at least a ko
]))
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[wrong [1d?\]: B r19
]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[la]CR[la])
(;W[qd]CR[qd]C[balance [6k\]: r19
lazy [?\]: connect for life
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[oeillet [9k\]: W r16 Br18 alive
wrong [1d?\]: B r19
wrong [1d?\]: B alive
Kryptos [7k?\]: doesn't work heh
]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[oa]CR[oa])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[wingnut [-\]: S19 
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[la]CR[la]C[Nikos [19k\]: O19 
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]))
(;W[ka]CR[ka]C[lazy [?\]: doesn't help
hanagumi [3k?\]: R19
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[lazy [?\]: b still hjas o18
]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[oa]CR[oa]C[wingnut [-\]: oppps
goglu [-\]: R19
])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[noel [16k\]: same as s19
]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[balance [6k\]: eat three
]
;B[la]CR[la]C[balance [6k\]: i mean for black to response r19
])))
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[balance [6k\]: r16
balance [6k\]: r18
])))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[tubro [26k?\]: yep
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[aa]CR[aa]C[oeillet [9k\]: strange joseki :)
]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[ST0NE [14k\]: :)
Arkdragon [14k\]: t 17
kalim [13k\]: ;0
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[haka [-\]: 4 ways
okhna [14k?\]: thank you very much
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
iprincess [?\]: thanks
qwak [12k?\]: thank you
au2 [2k\]: THANKS
oeillet [9k\]: thanks
zviratko [12k?\]: thank you
balance [6k\]: thankx
Kryptos [7k?\]: thanks
Markfg50 [13k\]: Thank you
tubro [26k?\]: Thanks!
Koreangrl8 [18k\]: thank you
Arkdragon [14k\]: thx
ST0NE [14k\]: thanks
musubi [8k\]: than you
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
hansb [3k?\]: thx
silver2k4 [17k\]: thank you
jantiff [7k?\]: thanks for teaching !!
juve [20k?\]: thx
doIknowYou [?\]: thank you very much!
haka [-\]: thank you
chucha [19k\]: thanks
Olivier005 [19k\]: thank you
Ermac [10k\]: thank you
Drag0n [8k\]: thx
brx [14k\]: thx
noel [16k\]: thx
rzhao [5k\]: thx
murky [?\]: thank you MingJiu
gogy [9k\]: thanks
Bamsen [3k?\]: Thank you mingjiu
]))