(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[8.00]
PW[Lukas (CZ)]PB[Joshua (NL)]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-03-20]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[rakdver [13k\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hi
wrong [1d?\]: ni hao
Kamiah [?\]: hi
playm8 [7k?\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
janine [12k\]: hi
rzhao [5k\]: hi
musubi [8k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: u too
thedorian [15k?\]: hi
smuin [?\]: hello
patanjali0 [7k\]: hi GJ
Kamiah [?\]: nice to hear you
yfh2 [7k?\]: good to 'see' you :-)
ST0NE [14k\]: hi
abbadan [13k?\]: hi
jenijen [21k\]: heyi!
scriber [-\]: i'm here this weak
jenijen [21k\]: ok
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: Hello
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: hello
scriber [-\]: but don't miss next weak, juju9p'll come :)
murky [?\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: where is scribe?
wrong [1d?\]: spring came at last, can play WeiQi outside ^_^
scriber [-\]: today i'm going to show u a game that 2 little kids played
fab [1d\]: scriber : "week", not "weak"
scriber [-\]: from the eu youth champiionship
Grimley [8k\]: joshua is playing on my club.. he plays very strong
scriber [-\]: black, joshua is a student of hers
Kamiah [?\]: wow
scriber [-\]: this josehua won 2nd prize
scriber [-\]: under 12yo
scriber [-\]: anyway, we can see their game :)
playm8 [7k?\]: i think we should be happy if we're able to solve even the easy problems
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[albertsan [?\]: do they play different from adults ?
scriber [-\]: of these little kids - look at the way they're thinking, it's very interesting and cute
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[scriber [-\]: :)
scriber [-\]: it happens once a year - a qualification for the world championship
]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[scriber [-\]: w played h3 in this game
offtosea [15k\]: white pincers
]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]C[scriber [-\]: there're a lot fo possibilities here
offtosea [15k\]: c6 game
scriber [-\]: f5/c3 or c6 like the game for ex
scriber [-\]: josehua plays it alot recently
Uvas [-\]: lol
haka [-\]: :)
offtosea [15k\]: they are too small to see whole board
scriber [-\]: small kids hardly see the whole board when playing on the table
isshoni [13k\]: does he use binoculars?
jenijen [21k\]: lol :D
offtosea [15k\]: difficult for them to play globally
scriber [-\]: they need to stand upt os ee the whole board
scriber [-\]: so it's hard to think globally
Uvas [-\]: sit them on phonebook!
offtosea [15k\]: he just started to see whole board
wrong [1d?\]: growing up so can see whole board, he he
scriber [-\]: but recently he's understanding it and playing more globally
glint [10k?\]: he will improve as he grow taller ;-)
Dootar [23k\]: ^^
]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Rastaman [8k\]: who ?
offtosea [15k\]: doesn't hellp me - I'm 2 meters
Dootar [23k\]: g3?
glint [10k?\]: hehe
]
;W[gq]CR[gq]C[glint [10k?\]: thx scriber, great job
]
(;B[cp]CR[cp]C[haka [-\]: nope
playm8 [7k?\]: for him the board is too far away :p
ProfDino [-\]: no :s
scriber [-\]: (GTG, somedy can replace me?)
patanjali0 [7k\]: no
monchacha [11k\]: why don't they play in the computer?
agui [7k\]: no
jantiff [6k?\]: sure
rzhao [5k\]: tes
ST0NE [14k\]: no
scriber [-\]: (szorry :()
albertsan [?\]: new for me
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes new
doblezeta [16k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes, but with d6
ProfDino [-\]: havent seen before
offtosea [15k\]: yes
Batavia [15k\]: i believe most people see c3 more often
zee [9k\]: c3 is seen more often
jantiff [6k?\]: i see C4 most often
Batavia [15k\]: she was surprised with c4
Dootar [23k\]: I GET C3
]
(;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Batavia [15k\]: if white plays E3, black C3 and same result of other variation
Batavia [15k\]: so white C3
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[albertsan [?\]: D3 works ?
]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[do]CR[do]
(;B[eo]CR[eo]C[Batavia [15k\]: now E4 is the onlu move and white nobi
zee [9k\]: only moves
Batavia [15k\]: and several only moves
glint [10k?\]: these are the "only" move in this situation
Batavia [15k\]: there is a theory about E5
offtosea [15k\]: push e5 theory - don't give opponents shape - create cutting points
offtosea [15k\]: if cutting points exist can be used later
Dootar [23k\]: like d6^^
]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[eq]CR[eq]LB[dn:B][fn:A]C[offtosea [15k\]: never forget to do so
]
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[zee [9k\]: e5 creates 2 cutting points
offtosea [15k\]: d6 white necessary
goglu [-\]: F6
offtosea [15k\]: where should black play
wrong [1d?\]: F6 cut still present
korppi [16k\]: f6
Ambivlnce [13k\]: f6
jenijen [21k\]: g5
zee [9k\]: g5 is a thank you move
]
(;B[co]CR[co]C[offtosea [15k\]: black forgot something
isshoni [13k\]: g5?
offtosea [15k\]: leave some aji behind for later
jenijen [21k\]: tx
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[lazy [?\]: just wondering - how strong are they?
Grimley [8k\]: b3
Zwabber [17k\]: extend?
glint [10k?\]: W extend
blue88 [16k\]: b3
albertsan [?\]: B3 ?
isshoni [13k\]: b3?
offtosea [15k\]: how can white keep aji in corner?
patanjali0 [7k\]: extend
]
(;W[cm]CR[cm]C[offtosea [15k\]: joshua forgot in game so white connected - very strong
Dootar [23k\]: cutting points are the key to victory in many games i've seen
offtosea [15k\]: back to game
zee [9k\]: If your stones are dead keep them to use as aji
Grimley [8k\]: b3
offtosea [15k\]: what should black do
glint [10k?\]: take 
Uvas [-\]: b3
lefuet [9k\]: b3
]
(;B[bm]CR[bm]C[zee [9k\]: B is greedy
offtosea [15k\]: In game Joshua was a little greedy - 
GoSean [29k?\]: lol
Tryras [23k\]: i am new to these lessons
Tryras [23k\]: how do they work?
offtosea [15k\]: Little kids always fighting local things
Ermac [10k\]: hehe
Zwabber [17k\]: i feel like a little kid now :(
ST0NE [14k\]: :)
Wook [-\]: lol...sounds like the guy I have to play tomorrow :)
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[seko [15k\]: .
]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
(;W[ck]CR[ck]C[wrong [1d?\]: it's good to feel young^^
glint [10k?\]: how does it work? u listen think and learn :P
offtosea [15k\]: Don't think about little 1 or 2 point ffights
olczyk [16k\]: Not just little children.
crabpeople [11k\]: why not b8?
offtosea [15k\]: nobi c9 good
]
;B[de]CR[de]TR[ch][dh][ci][di][bl]C[offtosea [15k\]: black hane at c9 bad for white
offtosea [15k\]: black comes in because white is getting big
playm8 [7k?\]: pincer?
offtosea [15k\]: what should white do?
haka [-\]: pincer
Ubiquity [?\]: take corner
haka [-\]: d12
Nijntje [1d?\]: D13
murky [?\]: e15
jenijen [21k\]: g 17
wrong [1d?\]: D12??????
swilks [7k\]: f16
offtosea [15k\]: How should white play?
yoyoma [4k\]: C15
blue88 [16k\]: hasami
Uvas [-\]: two space picer
Zwabber [17k\]: i would play pincer
wrong [1d?\]: your favourite move, d12
Grimley [8k\]: c15?
Xfactor [10k\]: c15
ProfDino [-\]: F16 or pincer?
braincrash [?\]: f16
Ambivlnce [13k\]: d13
ProfDino [-\]: :s
jcbrookly1 [?\]: F16
haka [-\]: c13, d12
jramon [14k\]: E16
thedorian [15k?\]: d12
offtosea [15k\]: d13
jenijen [21k\]: complete the side
chakrasana [14k\]: E16
swilks [7k\]: top is bigger
olczyk [16k\]: M6
Kamiah [?\]: d12
vroy [?\]: c13
smuin [?\]: g16
lazy [?\]: b3 :)
isshoni [13k\]: d13 or f16..
Tryras [23k\]: whoa ! 0.0
ProfDino [-\]: two space pincer
BillGates [1d\]: d13
tsuyoi [9k\]: drive the opponent towards the thickness
lazy [?\]: ois b9 sente, right?
apitoo [4k\]: f16, use influence for attack
ProfDino [-\]: can extend
glint [10k?\]: F16 
GoSean [29k?\]: D14?
zee [9k\]: not easy for W to make terr on left
ProfDino [-\]: so f16 ?
chakrasana [14k\]: e16
lazy [?\]: but b9?
]
(;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[offtosea [15k\]: In game attacked too low - c13
]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[offtosea [15k\]: easy for black to escape
haka [-\]: so is d13 better than d12?
offtosea [15k\]: Joshua got this joseki correct
haka [-\]: in this situation
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[offtosea [15k\]: Very proud of him!
]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[dg]CR[dg]C[BillGates [1d\]: lol
ProfDino [-\]: fine
offtosea [15k\]: White defends, black creates cutting point
swilks [7k\]: good for black
goglu [-\]: I like black
nrgdw [6k\]: B
Ekei [13k\]: b
offtosea [15k\]: What do you tink about this result?
Uvas [-\]: even
agui [7k\]: white
ProfDino [-\]: black
offtosea [15k\]: Black does good removing white moyo
Uvas [-\]: yay
wrong [1d?\]: W's moyo endangered
zee [9k\]: B is better
BillGates [1d\]: overconcentrated
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[offtosea [15k\]: For this result quite ok for black
offtosea [15k\]: Still ok for white - black forgot to atari at f6
]
;B[di]CR[di]C[offtosea [15k\]: white position just too strong
]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[offtosea [15k\]: Black took ??
zee [9k\]: B takes sente
haka [-\]: so he standed up and make a shimari? :)
lazy [?\]: probably got higher
haka [-\]: made*
offtosea [15k\]: Took big point
Zwabber [17k\]: right
abacon [13k?\]: :)
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[offtosea [15k\]: Important to try and take sente and take big points.
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]C[smuin [?\]: perhaps
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[offtosea [15k\]: We can all do that, right?
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]C[offtosea [15k\]: now we continue
offtosea [15k\]: normally black should not leave cutting point.
zee [9k\]: better at p17
nrgdw [6k\]: i see this offen
haka [-\]: ^^
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
(;B[ic]CR[ic]TR[qf][qo][pq]C[wrong [1d?\]: thought*
offtosea [15k\]: Will cost black later
offtosea [15k\]: come back to our theory -
offtosea [15k\]: we should create cutting points
wrong [1d?\]: either variation can cost B
offtosea [15k\]: and make solid shape for ourselves
wrong [1d?\]: this is too far
swilks [7k\]: what about j17? for black?
hollow [14k\]: M3
patanjali0 [7k\]: r10?
Zebigbos [11k?\]: m3
olczyk [16k\]: I still like M6.
goglu [-\]: O3
haka [-\]: q14
swilks [7k\]: is it necessary?
Ekei [13k\]: m3
agui [7k\]: m4
Fischkopp [10k\]: l3
albertsan [?\]: M3 
wrong [1d?\]: B hasn't eyes on the left
haka [-\]: to get a sente
BillGates [1d\]: P5
ProfDino [-\]: R8 ?
braincrash [?\]: n4
av8 [11k\]: b18
monchacha [11k\]: o3
rzhao [5k\]: o3
haka [-\]: and then r19
thedorian [15k?\]: lead out withe from top left
M0u53 [?\]: P3
wrong [1d?\]: and bottom might be interesting too
haka [-\]: r10
blue88 [16k\]: s10
spqr [9k\]: q 14
rakdver [13k\]: m3
smuin [?\]: o3
ST0NE [14k\]: k7
tuesday [?\]: b3
Reepicheep [?\]: m3
albertsan [?\]: K10 
Jubjub [15k\]: E 15
Xanthus [11k\]: M3 
jcbrookly1 [?\]: n3
waribashi [13k\]: C12m3
kivirch [2k\]: m3 is abit low, i like m4 or n4 better
albertsan [?\]: R12 
haka [-\]: q14 to get a sente and then r10 :)
ProfDino [-\]: R11
glint [10k?\]: D14 
Jubjub [15k\]: N i mean
ligo [8k\]: b18
olczyk [16k\]: p5 loks interesting too.
playm8 [7k?\]: G10 :p
apitoo [4k\]: n4
wrong [1d?\]: M3-N3 helps W's moyo
jenijen [21k\]: o 15
Jubjub [15k\]: or O
tsuyoi [9k\]: Q2  ;)
vroy [?\]: O4
nrgdw [6k\]: L10
tobe30k [14k\]: k13
Grimley [8k\]: keep blacks group in the upperleft seperated from the rest
isshoni [13k\]: p5? m15?
jenijen [21k\]: O 15
xix [19k\]: n3
haka [-\]: q14 and then r10
blue88 [16k\]: s10
Grimley [8k\]: g15
offtosea [15k\]: G14 toattack black
Slarty [3k\]: q14
offtosea [15k\]: Well look at board
offtosea [15k\]: White defends and black has to escape
glint [10k?\]: hard foe W to acctack E14 group
offtosea [15k\]: Where to play?  Often a problem.
Grimley [8k\]: q14
Zebigbos [11k?\]: q14
haka [-\]: q14 to get a sente
offtosea [15k\]: We get confused.
offtosea [15k\]: I have a trick for you.
offtosea [15k\]: Make board smaller.
offtosea [15k\]: Cut it into pieces - upper left finished
offtosea [15k\]: upper right finished
zee [9k\]: upper left finished
zee [9k\]: so is upper right
swissgo [12k\]: P5
Jubjub [15k\]: bottom right not finished 
offtosea [15k\]: maybe we can cut later
tuesday [?\]: b3?
offtosea [15k\]: lower left finished
offtosea [15k\]: lower right finised - very strong
Jubjub [15k\]: bottom right
Zwabber [17k\]: center?
zee [9k\]: same for other corners
jenijen [21k\]: r 8
offtosea [15k\]: black corner
jenijen [21k\]: R 8
albertsan [?\]: P5 
haka [-\]: near r10
thedorian [15k?\]: right side
Tryras [23k\]: lower right?
jramon [14k\]: O3
chakrasana [14k\]: center
glint [10k?\]: middle
swilks [7k\]: right, bottom and center
agui [7k\]: bottom
offtosea [15k\]: where open area left?
pugh [16k\]: middle
murky [?\]: k10
Mofa [26k?\]: the middle
blue88 [16k\]: r10
offtosea [15k\]: lower center
Bodo212 [14k\]: n3
Tryras [23k\]: right side?
thedorian [15k?\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
rakdver [13k\]: no
zee [9k\]: where is the open area?   right, bottom and center
Jubjub [15k\]: nor very easy
jenijen [21k\]: of course
Bodo212 [14k\]: no
waribashi [13k\]: no
albertsan [?\]: not yet
jenijen [21k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: can white make territory in center?
offtosea [15k\]: NO
M0u53 [?\]: p3
thedorian [15k?\]: r7
swilks [7k\]: bottom
thedorian [15k?\]: right
blue88 [16k\]: right
haka [-\]: right side
zee [9k\]: hard to use the center
abacon [13k?\]: bottom
offtosea [15k\]: We have to compare - which is bigger lower or right?
ArCosH [4k\]: left side
hollow [14k\]: bottom
glint [10k?\]: righ
ST0NE [14k\]: bottom
zviratko [12k?\]: bottom
jenijen [21k\]: right
ProfDino [-\]: R11
offtosea [15k\]: Right?
agui [7k\]: bottom
jcbrookly1 [?\]: bottom
spingle [9k\]: bottom
Nijntje [1d?\]: bottom
Sekimoto [15k\]: botton
Ekei [13k\]: bottom
rzhao [5k\]: bottom
Tryras [23k\]: right
KOCMOC [10k\]: right
isshoni [13k\]: right
Batavia [15k\]: bottom
nrgdw [6k\]: ?
janine [12k\]: R12 
musubi [8k\]: bottom
rakdver [13k\]: both would like to extend on bottom
apitoo [4k\]: bottom
Tryras [23k\]: right!
twmj [19k\]: right
wrong [1d?\]: B m3 would be big
wrong [1d?\]: huge
pugh [16k\]: right
blue88 [16k\]: bottom will be open even after a b extension
tudorus [2d\]: r12 would be sente for b
offtosea [15k\]: Always we need to find the place to play
ProfDino [-\]: right is most open
offtosea [15k\]: Which one is bigger?
albertsan [?\]: right is bigger
ProfDino [-\]: hiraki
wrong [1d?\]: if YOU don't know which is bigger for you, see which is bigger for your opponent
isshoni [13k\]: p5 is between the bottom and the right ;-)
ArCosH [4k\]: why not attack e14 ?
glint [10k?\]: I change my mind, I like the bottom now ;-)
BillGates [1d\]: leave the choice to b
offtosea [15k\]: r14 low - hard to make territory for white
offtosea [15k\]: r14 powerless
Jubjub [15k\]: white has big wall on the other side
zee [9k\]: R14 is low and does not have much power
Kamiah [?\]: l3
offtosea [15k\]: R14 low and soft
offtosea [15k\]: black r5 also low - not easy for black to make territory.
albertsan [?\]: but there is less space at the bottom
offtosea [15k\]: When black plays here we have to defend - not happy.
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[offtosea [15k\]: We just have to compare and see the position of the stones.
zee [9k\]: bottom is interestig foboth
offtosea [15k\]: Joshua played small side r11
]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[lo]CR[lo]C[ArCosH [4k\]: audience will forget it anyway , no matter how often its told
offtosea [15k\]: black played m3 - got big point
jantiff [6k?\]: very positive
offtosea [15k\]: white invade m5 move very nice
chiriri [5k\]: i shall not forget
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]C[zee [9k\]: M3 is a little far but big
tobe30k [14k\]: i always kill in big way and dead before killing others
]
(;B[ho]CR[ho]C[offtosea [15k\]: I tell joshua - if you kill, kill big,
offtosea [15k\]: like a big boy!
BillGates [1d\]: ha
offtosea [15k\]: We should run ahead faster
zee [9k\]: Walk ahead when two groups
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[tobe30k [14k\]: ahh... :D
]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[in]CR[in]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[lp]CR[lp]C[offtosea [15k\]: Of course this is overplay
blue88 [16k\]: dont push from behind :)
]
;W[im]CR[im]C[offtosea [15k\]: Very important
]
;B[hl]CR[hl]C[offtosea [15k\]: I like young people fighting
]
(;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[il]CR[il]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[offtosea [15k\]: Joshua escaped
]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[el]CR[el]TR[lq]C[offtosea [15k\]: This game becomes middle game fighting.
offtosea [15k\]: In the end Joshua won by many points.
offtosea [15k\]: Killed group on top and won 
offtosea [15k\]: Enough for us to see the ideas?
offtosea [15k\]: Any questions?
jenijen [21k\]: i have one
glint [10k?\]: ask it
isshoni [13k\]: how old is joshua?
Jubjub [15k\]: how important is it to focus on knowing the joseki?
jenijen [21k\]: why is black better in the middle when running
yfh2 [7k?\]: you showed W playing M4
jenijen [21k\]: white makes territory on the left 
yfh2 [7k?\]: is m3 acceptable ?
offtosea [15k\]: Joshua just turned 9
BillGates [1d\]: hahaha
jenijen [21k\]: right* sorry
jenijen [21k\]: no left
isshoni [13k\]:  :)
swilks [7k\]: right now - game looks good for white since black bottom center in trouble.  is that correct?
chakrasana [14k\]: and his rank?
albertsan [?\]: how long before he becomes a pro ?
offtosea [15k\]: Joseki - we have to learn them 1 by 1 and use them in our games.
wrong [1d?\]: learning joseki makes u 2 stones weaker ;)
offtosea [15k\]: Learn one, make sure you remember it,
lazy [?\]: i have one
Zwabber [17k\]: if you go back to the situation where u asked the proper big move for w wich was m4 what would be good move for b instead?
offtosea [15k\]: then play it.
wrong [1d?\]: without understanding of course
offtosea [15k\]: Where is m3 - too slow, but direction is good
jenijen [21k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: Ok, wow.
ProfDino [-\]: yeees
lazy [?\]: f3 approach to d4 and h3 pincer after f5 doesn't it revert to a wall - like in one of mingjius lectures, helping black to form a moyo?
wrong [1d?\]: yes
pugh [16k\]: yes
twmj [19k\]: of course 
offtosea [15k\]: Do you want homework?
wrong [1d?\]: homework!!!!
Zwabber [17k\]: yeah
offtosea [15k\]: yes
Drum24 [11k\]: work work
albertsan [?\]: prefer lazy
ProfDino [-\]: give us  ^^  :p
jenijen [21k\]: :)
GoSean [29k?\]: LOL yeah
Karru [-\]: :)))
offtosea [15k\]: Ok.
lazy [?\]: h3 pincer as an anti moyo move isn't weird?
ProfDino [-\]: fuseki 
Drum24 [11k\]: fuseki pls
xix [19k\]: fuseki
isshoni [13k\]: fuseki!
Fischkopp [10k\]: fuseki
zviratko [12k?\]: fuseki
Zwabber [17k\]: fuseki prob?
ST0NE [14k\]: fuseki
wrong [1d?\]: give as FUSEKI to thonk about
musubi [8k\]: fuseki
noel [16k\]: fuseki
glint [10k?\]: fuseki
murky [?\]: fuseki
Keido [15k?\]: fuseki
olczyk [16k\]: fuseki
waribashi [13k\]: fuseki
jenijen [21k\]: :)
ProfDino [-\]: ^^WOw ^^  fuseki !
ligo [8k\]: end game
wrong [1d?\]: life&death too simple
offtosea [15k\]: You want life-death or fuseki?
offtosea [15k\]: You choose 
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[ag]CR[ag]
;B[ai]CR[ai]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[af]CR[af]
;B[aj]CR[aj]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[ak]CR[ak]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ah]CR[ah]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
(;W[je]CR[je]
;B[ie]CR[ie])
(;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[jj]CR[jj]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[kh]CR[kh]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[gg]CR[gg]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[ih]CR[ih]
;W[jh]CR[jh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[ki]CR[ki]
;B[kj]CR[kj]))
(;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[nr]CR[nr]C[offtosea [15k\]: Because when we fight, we learn more
offtosea [15k\]: Black has to escape.
]))
(;B[lm]CR[lm]C[zee [9k\]: B should get the center move
offtosea [15k\]: Black should not go h5, but instead get center move
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[li]CR[li]C[offtosea [15k\]: When we have 2 groups,, control
offtosea [15k\]: center
ProfDino [-\]: wow
wrong [1d?\]: nice "chain" :)
Tryras [23k\]: -_-?
offtosea [15k\]: very good for black
ProfDino [-\]: so nice 
Tryras [23k\]: o
playm8 [7k?\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: When stones are next to eachother, we should walk ahead.
thedorian [15k?\]: o13
]))
(;W[hj]CR[hj]C[Jubjub [15k\]: O 15
glint [10k?\]: K10 or M3 
Zwabber [17k\]: 1 more to the left
])
(;W[pr]CR[pr])
(;W[ne]CR[ne])
(;W[mq]CR[mq]C[murky [?\]: g14
tuesday [?\]: o3
])
(;W[gf]CR[gf]C[BillGates [1d\]: P5 or Q6
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[blue88 [16k\]: r10 i mean ,_,
]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[hi]CR[hi]C[ProfDino [-\]: for sure
])
(;W[]
(;B[kp]CR[kp]C[offtosea [15k\]: So easiest for black to make territory on bottom
])
(;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[in]CR[in]
;B[mp]CR[mp]C[juve [26k?\]: b would be easy
twmj [19k\]: b happy
ProfDino [-\]: yep
zee [9k\]: If B gets this he gains a lot
offtosea [15k\]: Or make territory lower white defends black makes quite a few points
])
(;B[]))
(;W[lp]CR[lp]TR[gp]C[offtosea [15k\]: So if white plays a move like this - m4
offtosea [15k\]: Black stone at g4 is not useful any more
zee [9k\]: If M4, then G4 is not useful anymore
offtosea [15k\]: Even if it escapes, both sides are alive.
glint [10k?\]: M4 helps contain B G4 somewhat
offtosea [15k\]: White is making moyo and territory and limiting black territory.
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
jenijen [21k\]: yes.. i see
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: Do you understand?
animegirl [12k\]: ^^
ProfDino [-\]: okay ^^
Jubjub [15k\]: yeah
glint [10k?\]: clear
playm8 [7k?\]: yes
Zwabber [17k\]: yes
xix [19k\]: y
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes
waribashi [13k\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
murky [?\]: clear
Tryras [23k\]: i tink so....
Ekei [13k\]: yeah
nrgdw [6k\]: yeep
offtosea [15k\]: In this case lower is bigger than right side.
offtosea [15k\]: Do you see?
zee [9k\]: The bottom is bigger than the right
ArCosH [4k\]: valium ?
tobe30k [14k\]: :( very difficult
offtosea [15k\]: You have to see the future, the potential you have to see.
offtosea [15k\]: In this case it is very clear that on the bottom there is potential for both black and white.
ProfDino [-\]: clear
musubi [8k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: The right side is not interesting for black and white.
zee [9k\]: right side is not interesting for either player
Kamiah [?\]: much better
Tryras [23k\]: why not?
glint [10k?\]: Right side uninteresting for either player because both are low there
offtosea [15k\]: How to find the biggest move?
yfh2 [7k?\]: why m4 better than m3 ?
twmj [19k\]: clear but what to do with right side?
wrong [1d?\]: this is the critical point of the game, so need to talk a lot about^^
]))
(;B[]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[wrong [1d?\]: maybe thout that it leaves less aji
]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[offtosea [15k\]: This is joskeki
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[offtosea [15k\]: Joshua played o18 - just playing a new move to see how it works
]))
(;W[dg]CR[dg]C[offtosea [15k\]: not a good idea to make territory so white should attack black
zee [9k\]: W should attack B
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Tryras [23k\]: so many suggestions whoa im getting dizzy!
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
(;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[offtosea [15k\]: Example:  d13, previous example.
]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[eg]CR[eg]TR[ck]C[offtosea [15k\]: Now with black cut doesn't work because of c9
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[bi]CR[bi]C[zee [9k\]: hard for B to capture
offtosea [15k\]: very hard for black to capture - white escapes
zee [9k\]: because of c9
offtosea [15k\]: big problem for black - white too strong
])
(;W[eb]CR[eb])))
(;W[]
;B[ck]CR[ck]))
(;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[ho]CR[ho]C[offtosea [15k\]: Just take it - very good!
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[abacon [13k?\]: :P
]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[el]CR[el]C[ProfDino [-\]: fine
zee [9k\]: If your opponent stone is dead, take it to eliminate the aji
wrong [1d?\]: B3 removed F3 aji too
offtosea [15k\]: Nice move jump at e8 instead of cut - about shape
]))
(;W[bq]CR[bq]C[jcbrookly1 [?\]: sacrifice 2 stones
offtosea [15k\]: yes - very good!
tuesday [?\]: proverb
zviratko [12k?\]: add a stone and sacrifice both
]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[offtosea [15k\]: Go saying:  rather die with more than one stone
]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[offtosea [15k\]: 2 stones in corner can be used
offtosea [15k\]: f2 hane good for white now
offtosea [15k\]: that's why to die w/ 2 stones
]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[lazy [?\]: guojuan, how strong are they?
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[ac]CR[ac]C[glint [10k?\]: example upper right 
offtosea [15k\]: example: white should have extended to s14
]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[nrgdw [6k\]: no better die with 2 stones ^^
]
(;B[rf]CR[rf]C[jantiff [6k?\]: not best
lazy [?\]: no
glint [10k?\]: nope
Grimley [8k\]: no, extend
lazy [?\]: are both White and Black 5p ? o_O
offtosea [15k\]: This is why we should always keep aji
Nijntje [1d?\]: lazy: joshua is 3k
lazy [?\]: ohh i see, thanks...
zee [9k\]: R12 eliminates the aji
])
(;B[rg]CR[rg]C[offtosea [15k\]: Don't let our opponent pick stones off board
]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[animegirl [12k\]: yep yep
offtosea [15k\]: s12 sente
offtosea [15k\]: yes
glint [10k?\]: clear
musubi [8k\]: yes
GoSean [29k?\]: got it
offtosea [15k\]: If we can take the back stones off the board, we should do so, and if we can keep our dead stones on the board we should do so
]))
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
(;B[rg]CR[rg]C[offtosea [15k\]: Can be used better - to built good white wall
]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[albertsan [?\]: b needs to capture ?
glint [10k?\]: W gets to seal B in in sente
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[sf]CR[sf]C[animegirl [12k\]: =O
])
(;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[offtosea [15k\]: Important - extend and die with 2
]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[offtosea [15k\]: Still after this, 2 can be used
]
(;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[pi]CR[pi]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[ri]CR[ri]C[offtosea [15k\]: Hard for black to cut white
offtosea [15k\]: black cannot connect - 2 stones still useful
swilks [7k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: yes
glint [10k?\]: yes
Grimley [8k\]: no its not too fast
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes'
thedorian [15k?\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Jubjub [15k\]: no
offtosea [15k\]: no
noel [16k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: not to fast
musubi [8k\]: no
Nijntje [1d?\]: no
chiriri [5k\]: yes no no yes
GoSean [29k?\]: got it
thedorian [15k?\]: not too fast
nrgdw [6k\]: i can see clearly now the rain is gone
])
(;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[offtosea [15k\]: Horrible shape for black
animegirl [12k\]: cute box
])))))
(;B[go]CR[go]C[offtosea [15k\]: helps white defend weakness
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[jenijen [21k\]: :)
offtosea [15k\]: f6 better than g5
patanjali0 [7k\]: aji keshi
animegirl [12k\]: ^^;
])
(;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[go]CR[go]C[wrong [1d?\]: no, that move after C5 maybe?
isshoni [13k\]: ok, sure. m(__)m
]
;B[co]CR[co]C[glint [10k?\]: G5 is a thank you move. helps W do what he wants
offtosea [15k\]: now connect c5
]
(;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[em]CR[em]C[jenijen [21k\]: black could push forward
jenijen [21k\]: g6
])
(;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[offtosea [15k\]: white cannot kill corner now, so white has to jump
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bl]CR[bl]
;B[an]CR[an]C[offtosea [15k\]: so black takes corner
animegirl [12k\]: ok
]
;W[ho]CR[ho]TR[fn]C[offtosea [15k\]: in joseki white defends h5
playm8 [7k?\]: why doesn't white capture?
offtosea [15k\]: still f6 aji
zee [9k\]: W protects the shape but bad aji at F6
Dootar [23k\]: could get dangerous later on...^^
offtosea [15k\]: don't let opponents complete solid shape
agui [7k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: fine
Zwabber [17k\]: clear
swilks [7k\]: yes
musubi [8k\]: yes
jenijen [21k\]: what does aji mean?
korppi [16k\]: possibility
offtosea [15k\]: the more cutting points created the better
jenijen [21k\]: ok
glint [10k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EssentialGoTerms
])))
(;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[dn]CR[dn]C[offtosea [15k\]: white has to be careful of cutting points
]))
(;B[co]CR[co]
;W[eo]CR[eo]))
(;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[wrong [1d?\]: c4 to confuse the opponent *_*
]))
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
(;W[eq]CR[eq]C[Batavia [15k\]: i believe it's new for mant player
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[Batavia [15k\]: more often is C3
])
(;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[bp]CR[bp]C[Batavia [15k\]: of course white has this variation
])))
(;B[fo]CR[fo])
(;B[cq]CR[cq]C[scriber [-\]: makes it very clear w wants to avoid a big moyo
]))
(;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[scriber [-\]: a very popular fuseki
]
(;W[po]CR[po]C[scriber [-\]: if w plays like this, (many of u saw it)
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[scriber [-\]: mingjiu just showed that it's a wrong move
scriber [-\]: he said he likes this move most for b
scriber [-\]: it's also her fav move
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[scriber [-\]: it's very hard for w to handle
scriber [-\]: that's why w plays r6
offtosea [15k\]: so why white plays r6
])))
(;AW[dc][jc][fd][qi][pm][qn][po][dp][cq][fq]AB[oc][qd][ce][ch][dl][cn][qo][bp][qp][nq][pq]C[haka [-\]: fuseki of course
glint [10k?\]: we had enough of mingj how many ways probs :P
l21777 [25k?\]: life death
ST0NE [14k\]: i don't like white
zee [9k\]: Homework
nrgdw [6k\]: ohhh
patanjali0 [7k\]: a pity :(
blue88 [16k\]: one color go fuseki problem? xD
wrong [1d?\]: so, we have 2 weeks to think, he he *_*
murky [?\]: no
offtosea [15k\]: Next week guojuan not here - see you in two weeks
zviratko [12k?\]: i like black
Ordiac [9k\]: nice b moyo :)
haka [-\]: bad for a white
GoSean [29k?\]: cant wait :)
offtosea [15k\]: Next week - """ teaches.
monchacha [11k\]: more homework for two week
nrgdw [6k\]: nice to have YOU here
offtosea [15k\]: He shows us what has just happened in asia.
jenijen [21k\]: white to play. ok
wrong [1d?\]: will coment ChangHao - Choi Cheolan last game
offtosea [15k\]: White to play - homework!
zviratko [12k?\]: options?
Zwabber [17k\]: what to play or white to play?
guojuan [5p\]: white to play next
Zwabber [17k\]: oh ok
glint [10k?\]: homework White to play next
zee [9k\]: W to play
isshoni [13k\]: ok
blue88 [16k\]: k4 =)
isshoni [13k\]: no!
murky [?\]: k4
ST0NE [14k\]: no
xix [19k\]: no
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
juve [26k?\]: no
Drum24 [11k\]: yes pls
ProfDino [-\]: A,B,C :P
kolben [2k?\]: r14
offtosea [15k\]: Want a tip?
isshoni [13k\]: no tips
Batavia [15k\]: no
vroy [?\]: r14
wrong [1d?\]: W's move
ProfDino [-\]: lol
albertsan [?\]: R14 
twmj [19k\]: b to play?
ProfDino [-\]: ok lol
olczyk [16k\]: no no hints in game.
juve [26k?\]: :)
offtosea [15k\]: Ok no tips.
animegirl [12k\]: biggest move...
ProfDino [-\]: and for the answer ?
Keido [15k?\]: 2
offtosea [15k\]: Where is the biggest move.
zee [9k\]: two
wrong [1d?\]: hmm
murky [?\]: two
musubi [8k\]: one more
juve [26k?\]: one more
ProfDino [-\]: if we are wrong
jenijen [21k\]: one more prob.
Batavia [15k\]: we like two
xix [19k\]: y
animegirl [12k\]: give us options?
wrong [1d?\]: how about 10???
waribashi [13k\]: two, one per week
ProfDino [-\]: one more
goglu [-\]: this one is too easy :-)
isshoni [13k\]: 2 weeks so 2 problems
ProfDino [-\]: dificult
zviratko [12k?\]: difficult
waribashi [13k\]: dif
offtosea [15k\]: How do we save this setup??
Keido [15k?\]: difficult
tuesday [?\]: this one is easy..
jenijen [21k\]: print screen
])
(;AW[dc][fc][oc][cd][ce][co][pp]AB[qd][de][cf][df][pf][cj][cm][dq]LB[ld:A][qj:B][eo:D][gq:C][nq:E]C[Bruinfix [8k?\]: options save to disk to save
wrong [1d?\]: wow, 2 problems
isshoni [13k\]: offtosea: Options/Save to disc
glint [10k?\]: offtosea, it's auto saved to thx guojuan's account
glint [10k?\]: but u better save it after also 
jramon [14k\]: you can save the SGF jenijen
jenijen [21k\]: but mm
ProfDino [-\]: really fine english
jenijen [21k\]: i did so but
ProfDino [-\]: ^^
ST0NE [14k\]: where are these problems from?
jenijen [21k\]: will all the boards stay?
wrong [1d?\]: you can teach us chinese too?????
seku [19k\]: :)
ProfDino [-\]: lol
jramon [14k\]: yes
jenijen [21k\]: oki
nrgdw [6k\]: i think YOU make it really clear!!!
wrong [1d?\]: I adore chinese, caligraphy...
offtosea [15k\]: You are making it very clear.  Send in sgf files, not text
musubi [8k\]: you are very clear
olczyk [16k\]: SGF as text or as attachment?
ProfDino [-\]: ___.SGF
wrong [1d?\]: SGF as ATTACHMENT!!!!!!
ProfDino [-\]: who to play ?
ArCosH [4k\]: sgf attach and extend ?
ProfDino [-\]: okay
jenijen [21k\]: c
lazy [?\]: w
wrong [1d?\]: W's move
jramon [14k\]: White to play?
guojuan [5p\]: white to play next
glint [10k?\]: 2nd homework: White to play
ProfDino [-\]: so generous
ProfDino [-\]: ok
xix [19k\]: bye thanx
wrong [1d?\]: Thank You for homework
thedorian [15k?\]: thx
Nijntje [1d?\]: thanks
ST0NE [14k\]: thanks
murky [?\]: thx
janine [12k\]: thanks
ProfDino [-\]: big thx !
georgie [?\]: thanks
wrong [1d?\]: and for the LESSONs
Pallando [14k\]: Thank you!
musubi [8k\]: thank you
zee [9k\]: W to play M16, r10, g3, e5, o3
waribashi [13k\]: thank you!
norb [13k\]: thx
seku [19k\]: whats thank you for game in chinese?
blue88 [16k\]: thx a lot
Reepicheep [?\]: thank you
juve [26k?\]: thx, very helpful
playm8 [7k?\]: thx
kaeleer [13k?\]: ty
offtosea [15k\]: Thanks much!
olczyk [16k\]: Thank you.
mehmet [-\]: thx
rakdver [13k\]: thank you
nrgdw [6k\]: thank YOU and Ing ^^
wrong [1d?\]: and for KINDNESS
smuin [?\]: thank you
Slarty [3k\]: thanks!
Zwabber [17k\]: thanks, cya
GoSean [29k?\]: Thank you Thank you :)
ProfDino [-\]: thank you a lot
abacon [13k?\]: thank you
Cladoo [6k\]: thank you guojuan :)
Batavia [15k\]: thank you
jenijen [21k\]: thanks
zee [9k\]: Thank you
manakem10 [-\]: thx
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
jantiff [6k?\]: thanks for teaching, take care !
pugh [16k\]: thank you very much 
Keido [15k?\]: thanks
ProfDino [-\]: okay
isshoni [13k\]: thank you guo!
ST0NE [14k\]: see you
lefuet [9k\]: thank you 
albertsan [?\]: thank you
nrgdw [6k\]: hope to see ya soooonnn
jramon [14k\]: thx guojuan
offtosea [15k\]: Don't miss next weekend!
Ordiac [9k\]: tx
twmj [19k\]: Thanks Guo u are great!!
jenijen [21k\]: tyVM
patanjali0 [7k\]: thank you :)
Mofa [26k?\]: thx :)
zviratko [12k?\]: thx
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx very much for teaching
glint [10k?\]: thx Guo Juan & offtosea
ProfDino [-\]: yep
ProfDino [-\]: so much
GoSean [29k?\]: very much
wrong [1d?\]: jujo didn't play internet pro tournament, and I hoped he would :(((((((
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
waribashi [13k\]: thanks and bye!
ProfDino [-\]: see you
norb [13k\]: have a nice day
Ermac [10k\]: thank you yery much
spingle [9k\]: thankyou. 
norb [13k\]: have a nice day 
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jenijen [21k\]: the way you do is nice 
agui [7k\]: See you soon
playm8 [7k?\]: thx for teaching
wrong [1d?\]: xiexie ni
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playm8 [7k?\]: cya
Bodo212 [14k\]: bye
ST0NE [14k\]: byebye
juve [26k?\]: bye bye
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nrgdw [6k\]: bye
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GoSean [29k?\]: bye bye :)
jramon [14k\]: bye
isshoni [13k\]: bye bye!
wrong [1d?\]: zai jian
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