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RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-03-20]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[albertsan [?\]: hi
Arkdragon [14k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: sound?
goglu [-\]: Good morning mingjiu
guojuan [5p\]: hello
Jakobicek [13k\]: hi 
rzhao [5k\]: hi
Nikos [18k\]: hi
Arkdragon [14k\]: no audio yet
Arkdragon [14k\]: ok
Bodo212 [14k\]: good afternoon
akew [24k?\]: hello
guojuan [5p\]: we hear you
Nikos [18k\]: yes
Ersatz888 [15k\]: yes
Yemon [8k\]: hello
Jakobicek [13k\]: ok
offtosea [15k\]: Yes, now radio
akew [24k?\]: yes
scriber [-\]: yes we hear :)
Keido [15k?\]: yes
murky [?\]: Yes, clear.
kole [5k\]: can hear
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes - but "slow"
Zwabber [17k\]: good day
Arkdragon [14k\]: good morn
smuin [?\]: hi
kolben [2k?\]: please louder
scriber [-\]: today, mingjiu will show us some mistakes in joseki
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: good
Bodo212 [14k\]: fine !!
hillmonkey [17k\]: my favorite
scriber [-\]: yup u know all the joseki are from real games, amatuers
glint [10k?\]: joseki mistakes from ama games 
albertsan [?\]: didnt know Q13 was joseki
scriber [-\]: in case u don't know i'll hsow this joseki first, okay?
scriber [-\]: of course it's better for w
scriber [-\]: but
]
(;B[dp]CR[dp]C[scriber [-\]: ohh good :)
Bodo212 [14k\]: please louder
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[scriber [-\]: first one...
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]C[offtosea [15k\]: ok, now
scriber [-\]: we preffer q14/r14
scriber [-\]: That's why most pro players don't like Q15
isshoni [13k\]: Q12: a lot of ama material at
Dootar [23k\]: Q14?
guojuan [5p\]: I am here :)
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
murky [?\]: thx
zee [9k\]: thank you
hansb [2k?\]: thanks
Zwabber [17k\]: thanks
kole [5k\]: thank you
korppi [16k\]: thanks
offtosea [15k\]: thanks
guojuan [5p\]: thx to mingjiu
scriber [-\]: next weak juju9p might teach..
janine [12k\]: thanks
ST0NE [14k\]: thanks
biomorph [14k\]: thanks
jenijen [21k\]: tx
glint [10k?\]: cool, thx mingjiu
Keido [15k?\]: thanks
rzhao [5k\]: thx
Yemon [8k\]: thank you
scriber [-\]: thanks for comming...
musubi [8k\]: thx
Halfling [8k?\]: thank you :-)
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
swilks [7k\]: thank you
smuin [?\]: thank u
georgie [?\]: thanks
mehmet [-\]: thx
GoSean [29k?\]: Thank you Thank you!
Reepicheep [?\]: thank you
Ambivlnce [13k\]: Thank you
Dootar [23k\]: thx
monchacha [11k\]: thank you
scriber [-\]: thnaks ing go foundation...
isshoni [13k\]: thx mingjiu!
jenijen [21k\]: lol
Wook [-\]: Thank you Sir
spingle [9k\]: thankyou
guojuan [5p\]: :)
Batavia [15k\]: thank you
Mofa [26k?\]: thx :)
haka [-\]: thanks mingjiu
waribashi [13k\]: thank you!
murky [?\]: No homework?
ST0NE [14k\]: bye
Dootar [23k\]: domo arigato
wrong [1d?\]: thank you
swilks [7k\]: bye
scriber [-\]: no hw! enjoy!
nrgdw [6k\]: thanks You and Ing
agui [7k\]: See you
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
olczyk [16k\]: Tahnk you
Yemon [8k\]: see you
Jakobicek [13k\]: thx see ya
glint [10k?\]: bye :)
abbadan [13k?\]: zhx
Keido [15k?\]: bye
akew [24k?\]: thanks
rakdver [13k\]: thank you
scriber [-\]: see you next week, hehe
Dootar [23k\]: l8tr
Wook [-\]: bye :o)
Ermac [10k\]: bye
georgie [?\]: bye
patanjali0 [7k\]: bye
scriber [-\]: g'bye!
spingle [9k\]: bye
Kamiah [?\]: bye
au2 [2k\]: THANKS
Jubjub [15k\]: thx
nrgdw [6k\]: where to download the lectiones???
playm8 [7k?\]: cya
au2 [2k\]: thanks scribe
golawyer2 [?\]: thans scribe
tobe30k [14k\]: yeah, where?
korppi [16k\]: how about previous ones?
tobe30k [14k\]: anyone saves them?
isshoni [13k\]: u save them
waribashi [13k\]: just save game to disk
tobe30k [14k\]: no, i always missed it
isshoni [13k\]: they post the kibtzing somewhere
tobe30k [14k\]: 4example last week and so on
tobe30k [14k\]: and where?
nrgdw [6k\]: must be on His homepage, but i didnt found it :-(
animegirl [12k\]: what's the lesson about.... i was late
animegirl [12k\]: T___________T
nrgdw [6k\]: http://inggoeschool.bresler.org/
]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]C[scriber [-\]: can tenuki right away
scriber [-\]: i like q12 better for w
scriber [-\]: so he likes q12 better
Ubiquity [?\]: that's what i was wondering, thanks!
scriber [-\]: also can pincer with r13
scriber [-\]: but q12 is the one mingjiu preffers
nrgdw [6k\]: way?
scriber [-\]: his fav :)
haka [-\]: josekis for this?
]
(;B[ne]CR[ne]C[scriber [-\]: the diff is that if black plays q15 and w q12
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[scriber [-\]: when w does this exchange, w doesn't need to protect the side
]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[me]TR[md][me]C[scriber [-\]: after this w can tenuki because,
fab [1d\]: if white wants to attack the N4 stones, he should jump twice, right ?
scriber [-\]: in the game....
])
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[of]CR[of]C[scriber [-\]: if black plays this
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]LB[jd:A]C[offtosea [15k\]: A will help white
scriber [-\]: A will help white in this joseki - better for W
])
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qc]CR[qc]LB[jd:A]C[scriber [-\]: and if black tries this..
scriber [-\]: but in this situation, A will help W again
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]))
(;W[pg]CR[pg]C[scriber [-\]: in the game, Black plays Q15
scriber [-\]: and W pincer..
glint [10k?\]: nope
patanjali0 [7k\]: no
ST0NE [14k\]: no
scriber [-\]: (do u know this joiseki?)
Jubjub [15k\]: yes
glint [10k?\]: I don't know any joseki
akew [24k?\]: r17
glint [10k?\]: sure
Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
ST0NE [14k\]: ok
hansb [2k?\]: pls show us
Zwabber [17k\]: pls
scriber [-\]: instead of q13
scriber [-\]: if he's white
guojuan [5p\]: me too :)
scriber [-\]: :)
kole [5k\]: if black goes by q14 instead ?
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[scriber [-\]: black played o16
scriber [-\]: is it joseki?
scriber [-\]: no
offtosea [15k\]: not
scriber [-\]: how can w punish it?
hansb [2k?\]: P15
murky [?\]: r15
Arkdragon [14k\]: cut
albertsan [?\]: cut ?
Zebigbos [11k?\]: Tsuke-nobi
rzhao [5k\]: p15
ST0NE [14k\]: p15
scriber [-\]: w should play here
agui [7k\]: in the beginning
scriber [-\]: that's the joseki
]
(;W[oe]CR[oe]C[jantiff [6k?\]: cut and connect with pincer
scriber [-\]: p15, nice :)
scriber [-\]: ohh u'r a dan :)
scriber [-\]: it means this result is good for w
scriber [-\]: ohh good :) (white)
scriber [-\]: it'ds abad move for w
scriber [-\]: because w can punish in the beginning
agui [7k\]: ok thanks
scriber [-\]: black can't o16, remmber it
waribashi [13k\]: what if black Q16 after white cuts at P15? now?
scriber [-\]: and w should punsish like this
scriber [-\]: so if o15 w should p15
scriber [-\]: *o16
spingle [9k\]: bq16?
]
(;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[scriber [-\]: a very good move :)
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[qf]CR[qf]LB[md:A]TR[jd][nd]C[scriber [-\]: because after this the ladder is good but w seals black out
jantiff [6k?\]: O16 inefficient
scriber [-\]: so it's better for w
Arkdragon [14k\]: the corner
albertsan [?\]: ponnuki is worth 1 point ?
scriber [-\]: w got a big corner
scriber [-\]: and w has k16
rzhao [5k\]: b looks heavy
scriber [-\]: while black has a heavy shape
goglu [-\]: o16 is redundant
scriber [-\]: if o16 was at n16 it'd be okay but...
scriber [-\]: this way it's too heavy
monchacha [11k\]: b is not heavier and b is connect  on last two group
])
(;B[of]CR[of]C[monchacha [11k\]: not this one
scriber [-\]: if b tries p14...
scriber [-\]: and k16 helps...
]
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
(;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[scriber [-\]: w cuts and..
scriber [-\]: so w has to cut
]
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[qe]CR[qe])
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[nf]CR[nf]TR[jd]C[scriber [-\]: and reverse to the previuous sequence
scriber [-\]: if this instead... w can fight
]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[agui [7k\]: for white
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[scriber [-\]: and if b tries this instead...
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[scriber [-\]: it's very complicated...
]
;W[re]CR[re]C[scriber [-\]: the joseki doesn't have o16-o15 stones...
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[scriber [-\]: do u liek it?
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[pc]CR[pc]TR[nd][ne]C[scriber [-\]: it's a joseki but it's a very bad exchange for blacki like it better for w
])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[scriber [-\]: and for black to connect...
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[scriber [-\]: which one do u like betteer?
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[scriber [-\]: means getting sealed in
goglu [-\]: white
groove [2k\]: w
nrgdw [6k\]: W
jantiff [6k?\]: w
offtosea [15k\]: white
glint [10k?\]: w
ST0NE [14k\]: w
blue88 [16k\]: w
cocoon [8k\]: w
Zwabber [17k\]: e
Yemon [8k\]: w
Zwabber [17k\]: w
Jubjub [15k\]: white
kieran [13k\]: w
abacon [13k?\]: w
])))
(;W[od]CR[od]C[scriber [-\]: same as before
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[scriber [-\]: or this way - which one do u liek better?
scriber [-\]: i like this one better
Arkdragon [14k\]: that stone is weak
scriber [-\]: for w
scriber [-\]: oops for black
scriber [-\]: ^^
])))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[scriber [-\]: but in the game, w plays r15
ArCosH [4k\]: lots of tewari analysis
spingle [9k\]: what if wP15,bQ16 after bo16?
scriber [-\]: it'd be possible but liek that..
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[scriber [-\]: it's the w plan
]
(;W[pf]CR[pf]C[scriber [-\]: for white? nobody does :)
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[oe]CR[oe]C[scriber [-\]: how about black? maybe this is what w wants
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[od]CR[od]C[scriber [-\]: of course it's good for w
offtosea [15k\]: good for w
])
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[offtosea [15k\]: white has to cut
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[scriber [-\]: when b hane, w has to cut
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Dootar [23k\]: yeah
scriber [-\]: what if b plays q16?
scriber [-\]: how can w resume?
scriber [-\]: ^^
scriber [-\]: (s17 atari)
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Ordiac [9k\]: p17
nrgdw [6k\]: p17
scriber [-\]: if there was a w stone there (f4)
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[scriber [-\]: if w atari b will kill the w stones
])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[scriber [-\]: ladder doesn't work for w :S
]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[scriber [-\]: b has more libs
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[scriber [-\]: if w r18...
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[scriber [-\]: b still captures
])))
(;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: no
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[cocoon [8k\]: no
goglu [-\]: no
jantiff [6k?\]: no !
glint [10k?\]: no
ST0NE [14k\]: no
haka [-\]: no
scriber [-\]: do u liek this result?
]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[scriber [-\]: so now b got a good chance
scriber [-\]: but b missed it :)
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[scriber [-\]: how about w o17?
scriber [-\]: still good for black
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[scriber [-\]: when w plays r15, b can r14...
scriber [-\]: it's ok
scriber [-\]: but after this b has to cut
scriber [-\]: it's a key move
]
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[scriber [-\]: still hard for w
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[scriber [-\]: in the game p17, was too peacefull - missed a great oppurtunity
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]TR[pg]C[jantiff [6k?\]: ourgh
scriber [-\]: once again w gets a Q13 stone by the joseki - it's a wasted move...
])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[scriber [-\]: stil good for black
scriber [-\]: how about r18?
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[scriber [-\]: very very hard for w to play...
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[scriber [-\]: because after this b can hane
]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[scriber [-\]: very very important
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[scriber [-\]: but can't play there first
Jakobicek [13k\]: btw who played the game?
scriber [-\]: questions?
Ubiquity [?\]: so this is not as good a pincer for white as the other?
ArCosH [4k\]: whats the age of my granny ?
]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[kb]CR[kb]C[scriber [-\]: (the real game)
offtosea [15k\]: black q16 good, real game b missed cut 
goglu [-\]: too comfortable for white
scriber [-\]: of course it's good for w
scriber [-\]: w got the corner+side
Zwabber [17k\]: clear
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
blue88 [16k\]: btw who played this game?
murky [?\]: both sides
agui [7k\]: yes
scriber [-\]: is it clear?
offtosea [15k\]: yes
glint [10k?\]: clear
swilks [7k\]: yes
scriber [-\]: questions?
murky [?\]: Is last W's move good?
haka [-\]: so l18 is a good move ? :)
Dootar [23k\]: w can monkey jump
albertsan [?\]: L18 is sente ?
agui [7k\]: how about w O17
blue88 [16k\]: b l18 would be severe
])
(;B[kc]CR[kc])))))
(;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Jubjub [15k\]: what is the Q 12 joseki?
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[albertsan [?\]: Q11 hasami also good ?
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[scriber [-\]: black shoudl play o15
scriber [-\]: once b gets stronger, he cana ttack...
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[scriber [-\]: as w he doesn't like this result
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[scriber [-\]: instead of o16 as previously shown
scriber [-\]: alot of points to chose from :)
scriber [-\]: because of the many black possibilities
]
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[scriber [-\]: it's still an even game
])
(;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[hc]CR[hc]C[scriber [-\]: when black gets stronger he cvan pressure with n17 or o16 or h17
]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[waribashi [13k\]: after wP15
scriber [-\]: is that the question?
]))
(;W[qg]CR[qg]C[isshoni [13k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighApproachTwoSpaceHighPincer
]))
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[scriber [-\]: okay, now - i saw alot of amatuer games where black plays at q15 but
])
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[offtosea [15k\]: I saw a lot of amateurs play q15,
scriber [-\]: what's the differance?
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[op]CR[op]C[blue88 [16k\]: kosumi
scriber [-\]: let me show u it again
]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[scriber [-\]: okay lemme show u that joseki first
scriber [-\]: questions? :)
scriber [-\]: if u have none i'll show u a game :)
kolben [2k?\]: n3 possibel?
ligo [8k\]: game!
monchacha [11k\]: b is not heavier from abvove
isshoni [13k\]: (scriber offtosea jantiff well done: not easy to transcribe so many moves in so short a time!
]
(;W[on]CR[on]C[scriber [-\]: So when I teach my students, they like to ask me this question
scriber [-\]: after that, w r3
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Zwabber [17k\]: yes
Nikos [18k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: yes
ST0NE [14k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
scriber [-\]: in the joseki, b plays r6 not p3 because of it
olczyk [16k\]: yes
Jakobicek [13k\]: ok
haka [-\]: ye
swilks [7k\]: yes
scriber [-\]: is it clear?
scriber [-\]: do u have any qs?
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]C[scriber [-\]: w has to jump
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]C[scriber [-\]: now,
haka [-\]: m5?
]
(;W[mq]CR[mq]C[Nikos [18k\]: O3 ?
scriber [-\]: it's too good for black
scriber [-\]: so now, w has to n3
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[scriber [-\]: W should play N3
glint [10k?\]: too good for B
]
(;W[mr]CR[mr]C[scriber [-\]: and black m3
]
;B[kp]CR[kp]C[scriber [-\]: w can't N2
])
(;W[lp]CR[lp]C[scriber [-\]: joseki goes like this
scriber [-\]: leave a good continuation
Nikos [18k\]: empt tri
scriber [-\]: n3 was a good move but n2 a bad continuation, has to cut...
]
(;B[kq]CR[kq]C[scriber [-\]: This is a key move
scriber [-\]: so b has to L3
scriber [-\]: and w should m5
]
(;W[lo]CR[lo]C[offtosea [15k\]: cut is key move
]
;B[mr]CR[mr]C[offtosea [15k\]: joseki is white should cut
glint [10k?\]: M4 is a key move
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[scriber [-\]: white should cut and b extend
scriber [-\]: don't miss it :)
]
(;B[hq]CR[hq])
(;B[ip]CR[ip]C[scriber [-\]: now depending on overall, can H3/J4
]))
(;W[mo]CR[mo]C[scriber [-\]: the exhcnage is better for black
]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
(;W[lo]CR[lo]C[scriber [-\]: what if w tries to kill?
]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[nq]CR[nq]TR[mo][kp]C[scriber [-\]: it's bad because b gets to get a shape
])
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[kn]CR[kn]C[scriber [-\]: and if w captures after l4
scriber [-\]: b jumps out
ST0NE [14k\]: no
jantiff [6k?\]: cramped shape
scriber [-\]: do u like w shape?
offtosea [15k\]: white's shape is inefficient
scriber [-\]: unefficient
])))
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[mr]CR[mr]C[scriber [-\]: black of course can't atari
]
(;B[np]CR[np]C[isshoni [13k\]: ( nb: some ama material on this joseki at:
]
;W[nr]CR[nr]C[isshoni [13k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighApproachOneSpaceHighPincer)
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[scriber [-\]: because after this w can connect...
]
(;W[or]CR[or]
;B[pp]CR[pp])
(;W[pp]CR[pp]C[scriber [-\]: but cna't p2 :)
]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[kq]CR[kq]LB[qo:A]C[scriber [-\]: it's good for w... because b has a weakness at a
]))
(;B[mo]CR[mo]C[scriber [-\]: and what if b n5?
]
(;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[kp]CR[kp]C[scriber [-\]: if the ladder is good for black..
])
(;W[kq]CR[kq]C[albertsan [?\]: Q5 ?
]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[scriber [-\]: but w will atari and..
scriber [-\]: this result is still good for w
scriber [-\]: because b is heavier
])))))
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[scriber [-\]: (black is the one attacking white ^^)
]
;B[ln]CR[ln]C[scriber [-\]: what if n3 at k4?
scriber [-\]: to attack?
scriber [-\]: but if w attacks w... black is attacking back
scriber [-\]: and has a superior hand
])
(;W[mr]CR[mr]C[scriber [-\]: and what if n2? can't do it
scriber [-\]: ^^
]
(;B[kp]CR[kp])
(;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Nikos [18k\]: much to small
]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[scriber [-\]: it's bad because b gets to make w low
])))
(;B[oq]CR[oq]C[scriber [-\]: if w plays here and black p3
scriber [-\]: w can't do this
scriber [-\]: and if b does this, still canc ut
scriber [-\]: it means w can't q4/o4
scriber [-\]: same
swordsplay [8k\]: o3
balance [6k\]: r2 its possible
]
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[np]CR[np]C[scriber [-\]: when black pincer with n4,
scriber [-\]: w can cut..
jantiff [6k?\]: it's bad for b
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[blue88 [16k\]: dont your fingers become sore? xD
])
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]C[scriber [-\]: :)
scriber [-\]: where shoudl w play? which hane?
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[hansb [2k?\]: O3
scriber [-\]: black can't play liek that
scriber [-\]: then w... now this is a big diff
balance [6k\]: but now
]
(;B[or]CR[or]C[scriber [-\]: ir measn buttom right isn't joseki - better for w
]
;W[np]CR[np]C[scriber [-\]: how about this
Jakobicek [13k\]: n4 sad
]
(;B[pr]CR[pr]C[groove [2k\]: w is good
jantiff [6k?\]: bad for b
albertsan [?\]: even ?
Arkdragon [14k\]: bad for black
Nikos [18k\]: g for w
scriber [-\]: whaty do u think of the result?
])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[jantiff [6k?\]: not even, N4 is hurt
scriber [-\]: w is good, ye
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[haka [-\]: n4 stone
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[scriber [-\]: this is a joseki
]
(;B[eb]CR[eb]C[haka [-\]: hurts :)
scriber [-\]: let me show u...
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[glint [10k?\]: top left
scriber [-\]: common joseki
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[scriber [-\]: but this is a joseki too
]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[scriber [-\]: same as that one
scriber [-\]: only black plays g16 - bad exhange
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[db]CR[db]TR[gc][gd][kn][ko][kp][kq]C[scriber [-\]: same as there...
scriber [-\]: and w did this exchange
scriber [-\]: of course, that exchange, black lost alot
scriber [-\]: is it clear?
Jakobicek [13k\]: yup
glint [10k?\]: :)
])
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[Nikos [18k\]: white can go R6 
])))
(;B[np]CR[np]C[scriber [-\]: b probably will atari here
scriber [-\]: it means when w jumps, b can't p3
]
(;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[pr]CR[pr])
(;W[or]CR[or]C[haka [-\]: the whole go is beautiful for white ^^
]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[scriber [-\]: it emans w has to capture the p3 stone
offtosea [15k\]: white has to capture black stone
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[scriber [-\]: then b atari and w connect
scriber [-\]: isn't hard for white at all
scriber [-\]: because the result is better for w
]
(;B[po]CR[po]C[scriber [-\]: after this -
]
;W[no]CR[no]C[jantiff [6k?\]: P6 is well place to attack
offtosea [15k\]: white will cut
scriber [-\]: if b connects, w cuts
scriber [-\]: because w is still safe
scriber [-\]: so we think this is better for w
]
(;B[lp]CR[lp]C[scriber [-\]: the w cut is severe
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]C[scriber [-\]: if b acn't play r2, w has one eye in the corner so black r3 r2...
]
(;B[qr]CR[qr]C[scriber [-\]: because m4 isn't sente
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[offtosea [15k\]: m4 isn't sente
]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[scriber [-\]: after that b can't r2
])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qr]CR[qr])
(;B[rr]CR[rr]C[olczyk [16k\]: What if black connects at O5?
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[rq]CR[rq]C[scriber [-\]: so w has sente..
]
;W[lr]CR[lr]C[scriber [-\]: if b s2 w still ha sente
]))
(;B[lq]CR[lq]C[scriber [-\]: what if black plays m3?
]
;W[mn]CR[mn]C[scriber [-\]: w protects the cut
]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[rr]CR[rr]))
(;B[no]CR[no]C[offtosea [15k\]: good for white
scriber [-\]: if b protects the other way, o5
scriber [-\]: how about it?
scriber [-\]: too heavy - also good for w
]
(;W[po]CR[po]C[agui [7k\]: w cuts
scriber [-\]: can w cut?
haka [-\]: yes
jantiff [6k?\]: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: no
Nikos [18k\]: no
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[yfh2 [7k?\]: r6 ?
]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rp]CR[rp]C[scriber [-\]: no :)
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[scriber [-\]: w can't cut, true but w has a good move at r6
offtosea [15k\]: white has a good move
]
;B[po]CR[po]C[Nikos [18k\]: nice
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Nikos [18k\]: thickness
Jakobicek [13k\]: au
scriber [-\]: forcing b to connect then w extends
glint [10k?\]: W has a good move at R6 
jantiff [6k?\]: b has heavy shape :)
scriber [-\]: black has an awful shape
])))))
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[scriber [-\]: if w pushes,
scriber [-\]: ohh i liek this one :)
scriber [-\]: of course this result is better fot b
scriber [-\]: a big corner against...
])
(;W[np]CR[np])))
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[scriber [-\]: so now,
]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[ro]CR[ro]C[scriber [-\]: and for w to r3 right away, is wrong
]
;W[on]CR[on]TR[ro]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[scriber [-\]: because
])
(;B[pm]CR[pm]C[scriber [-\]: w might think this is how it goes but because b has s5 he plays q7
jantiff [6k?\]: black jumps ahead
scriber [-\]: much better for b this way
])))
(;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[offtosea [15k\]: hmm?
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[np]CR[np]TR[lp]C[scriber [-\]: if b plays m4 p6 p3 - black can't do it
scriber [-\]: beucase b hurts m4
])))