(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-03-27]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: hi
jenijen [20k\]: hi
Haengma [?\]: ok
Jugular [4k\]: of how many?
ringoshin [10k\]: 5
]
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[Haengma [?\]: hi
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: audio???
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[de]CR[de]C[Stampertje [?\]: no audio
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[ringoshin [10k\]: video?
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Haengma [?\]: lol
NEWS [9k\]: no audio?
Haengma [?\]: nadare ?
okhna [14k?\]: i made it ^^
]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[ringoshin [10k\]: :)
Scribe [?\]: L17 is a newly popular move, creates a position that is reminesient of the mini-chinese fuseki
]
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[Ordiac [9k\]: avalanche?
Jade [23k\]: Oh, d18 for white, you mean
Scribe [?\]: white D18 worth about 30 points
]
(;W[od]CR[od]C[swordsplay [7k\]: oh kiseong 3
Haengma [-\]: ok
utku [15k\]: what about p17 instead of p16?
Scribe [?\]: white cant allow black to play at P16
Scribe [?\]: makes black moyo too large/too solid
blue88 [15k\]: p17 too low?
Scribe [?\]: now black right side is flat
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Jade [23k\]: Oh.  Didn't know this.  Always learned to just use two-point jumps
MysticoN [18k\]: ^^
isshoni [13k\]: check 'balance' or such on sensei's
MysticoN [18k\]: I told u Q14 :p
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[zazie [-\]: yes, it was a so great game
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [?\]: therefore M15 is not a good idea and white must try something different
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[blue88 [15k\]: i dont even hear the stones ._., i hate my pc
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Jugular [4k\]: kiseong 3?
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Jugular [4k\]: isnt joseki s5 for black?
Jugular [4k\]: s15*
Scribe [?\]: whites shape is somewhat constricted
]
(;B[nf]CR[nf]C[jenijen [20k\]: me too
Scribe [?\]: Black just to L15 in place of O14 is wrong direction
zeroblue42 [16k\]: Yes, I also don't understand why that wall is not good
Jugular [4k\]: n15
swordsplay [7k\]: n15?
Sting [6k\]: m15?
vtail [16k\]: M15
jenijen [20k\]: m15
QWerner [18k\]: m15
memo [2k?\]: L18
MaxMakinen [23k\]: m15
DangoMouse [-\]: so after black has l15, black would prefer to play m18 and not m13?
gabriel2 [24k\]: J17
]
(;W[og]CR[og]C[jenijen [20k\]: so sound..
zazie [-\]: i'm really happy to see this game commented by Jujo Sensei :)
]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]C[jenijen [20k\]: it's java's problem
groove [2k\]: yes¨
okhna [14k?\]: yes
swordsplay [7k\]: yes
murky [?\]: yes
MaxMakinen [23k\]: yes
QWerner [18k\]: jes
zee [9k\]: yes
Haengma [-\]: yyep
wingnut [-\]: yes, B does't like the result
Jade [23k\]: Nice bamboo joint
]
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: has anybody audio???
Jugular [4k\]: why would black not play p15?
]
(;B[me]CR[me]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[Haengma [?\]: nop
wwwzza [1k\]: jujo laoshi :)
zazie [-\]: no
Jugular [4k\]: what was the game?
Haengma [-\]: :)
]
(;B[le]CR[le]C[Ironblayde [23k?\]: no
zee [9k\]: only move
]
;W[of]CR[of]C[zazie [-\]: hehe wwwzza
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[Haengma [?\]: ^^
Jade [23k\]: m16 instead?
Badduck [5d\]: ko
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
(;W[kd]CR[kd]C[gotobigo [11k?\]: is the lekture one already?
]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: what  was this game agean?
Jugular [4k\]: both ladders
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Haengma [?\]: maybe he is seting up the game :)
]
;B[ke]CR[ke]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yes he is
spingle [9k\]: patience
]
;W[je]CR[je]C[Uvas [-\]: he is setting up
Murayama [?\]: K16 only move?
]
(;B[mg]CR[mg]C[gotobigo [11k?\]: ok
]
;W[id]CR[id]C[Haengma [?\]: just wait ^^
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[spingle [9k\]: its easier ;)
]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[swordsplay [7k\]: can you load sgfs during lecture
]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[grftjx [6k?\]: Arkdragon, it is called "Go" ;-)
zee [9k\]: hard for W now
]
(;W[lb]CR[lb]C[Uvas [-\]: lol
]
;B[jf]CR[jf]C[DangoMouse [-\]: swordsplay, he'd have to make a new demo, like Guo does
]
;W[ie]CR[ie]C[justin001 [14k?\]: im new to the game,and i know the rules,but im only around 20k,any good begginner lessons?
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[olczyk [16k\]: Has the class started yet?
Uvas [-\]: hi
Haengma [?\]: hello !
ringoshin [10k\]: audio!
jenijen [20k\]: hello
Arkdragon [14k\]: hi
swordsplay [7k\]: hello
Ordiac [9k\]: hi 
Jade [23k\]: Good morning
Tryras [23k\]: hi
Ruutana [17k\]: Hello!
blue88 [15k\]: hi
gobasso [26k?\]: hello
bneeman [17k\]: hi
meesterrob [15k\]: hello
Bodo212 [15k\]: aha now I hear
Haengma [?\]: ok
Jugular [4k\]: hello
Jade [23k\]: Yes
groove [2k\]: yes
offtosea [15k\]: Good morning
swordsplay [7k\]: yes
ppt [9k?\]: yes
Tryras [23k\]: yes
jenijen [20k\]: yeah
smuin [?\]: hi
vtail [16k\]: hello
gobasso [26k?\]: ok
zot [29k?\]: yes
MysticoN [18k\]: yup
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Jakobicek [13k\]: hi
Drum24 [12k\]: morning
ryu74 [15k\]: hello
vtail [16k\]: we can here you
au2 [2k\]: good morning
Haengma [?\]: i hear you ^^ its ok
MaxMakinen [23k\]: morning
apitoo [4k\]: good morning
wingnut [-\]: hi Jujo, yes we can hear you
Stampertje [?\]: good eveniong
QWerner [18k\]: Hall
Belle [?\]: ni hao ma ?
wrong [1d?\]: yes shifu
wrong [1d?\]: ni hao
Arkdragon [14k\]: who?
Arkdragon [14k\]: oh ok
Jakobicek [13k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Played March 25th, Korean national title match
MysticoN [18k\]: If u take pro exam in korea .. can u play as a pro in japan then ?
ringoshin [10k\]: mysticon, now.
ringoshin [10k\]: no.
MysticoN [18k\]: =(
Haengma [-\]: B lives easily
MysticoN [18k\]: As some pro dude said
zee [9k\]: B is better
MysticoN [18k\]: "Do not play to kill "
BloodyRose [5k\]: More potential.
Scribe [?\]: game is balanced, but black on right has more potential than white does
Haengma [-\]: seems  an interesting one :)
]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[BloodyRose [5k\]: W plays very nice move later; wins.
zee [9k\]: W wins eventually
Murayama [?\]: time control? 5 hours?
goglu [-\]: what game is it ?
olczyk [16k\]: gobase?
Scribe [?\]: http://gobase.org for game record
Haengma [-\]: (can anybody write me the information about the game? )
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[ringoshin [10k\]: http://gobase.org/games/kr/kisung/16/
BloodyRose [5k\]: This is later a great tesuji; kills B.
Haengma [-\]: okay thaks :)
au2 [2k\]: thnak you
Jade [23k\]: Thank you
groove [2k\]: thx
Murayama [?\]: thanks...
Out [18k?\]: Thank you.
Haengma [-\]: Thanks you to you !
evilGOer [?\]: thanks
swordsplay [7k\]: thank you
kaeleer [15k?\]: thank you
bneeman [17k\]: thanks
BloodyRose [5k\]: Thank you.
iprincess [?\]: thanks
KarateKid [9k?\]: Thank you Jujo 
gobasso [26k?\]: thanks
offtosea [15k\]: Thank you!
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
ppt [9k?\]: thanks
Jugular [4k\]: thank you very much for your lecturing
mayday [10k?\]: thanks a lot
ratata [4k\]: thank you
Sumo [8k\]: thank
zot [29k?\]: thank you very much
GonFreeks [17k?\]: thanks
shuterlee [6k\]: Thank you
isshoni [13k\]: thanx mingjiu
utku [15k\]: thank you very much
yukon [16k\]: Thanks
gabriel2 [24k\]: thank you
taudrilly [14k\]: thanks a lot
Ambivlnce [13k\]: Thank you
kieran [13k\]: thanks jujo
barracuda [14k?\]: no we thank you
murky [?\]: Thank you, JuJo
QWerner [18k\]: thx alot
golawyer2 [?\]: thank you jujo
Drag0n [8k\]: thank you
Stampertje [?\]: thanks
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
hansili [10k\]: thank you very much
Drum24 [12k\]: thanks sensei 8)
darko [10k\]: thx
Haengma [-\]: ING FUNDATION  SO GOOD !
jenijen [20k\]: tyvm 
Jugular [4k\]: thanks ING foundation too :)
Tryras [23k\]: thank you
justin001 [14k?\]: yhanks
zee [9k\]: thank you
Scribe [?\]: Thanks to Jujo laoshi and the Ing Foundation
capra [8k?\]: thank you very much
Sting [6k\]: thanks
smuin [?\]: thank you
BloodyRose [5k\]: Thank you Sensei Ing.
malteb [?\]: Thanks
Ordiac [9k\]: tx and have good night
Haengma [-\]: thank you thank you thank you :)
wholeboard [?\]: thank you!
wingnut [-\]: thank you JuJo & Scribe & Mr Ing :)
aendeuryu [20k\]: thanks
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
Haengma [-\]: ^^
murky [?\]: Who is winning the title?
musubi [8k\]: thx
Haengma [-\]: we hope too !
au2 [2k\]: bye bye
Jugular [4k\]: thankx bye
Tryras [23k\]: bb
playm8 [8k?\]: thx
Bodo212 [15k\]: bye
gobasso [26k?\]: bye
Murayama [?\]: good lesson
GonFreeks [17k?\]: bye
Haengma [-\]: bye bye
QWerner [18k\]: bye
playm8 [8k?\]: cya
isshoni [13k\]: bye
Stampertje [?\]: bye
Xikkuh [23k\]: thx
eng60340 [12k\]: when is next time ?
Keido [15k?\]: bye
blue88 [15k\]: thx, cu
ringoshin [10k\]: muryky - http://gobase.org/games/kr/kisung/16/
shuterlee [6k\]: bye
])
(;W[md]CR[md]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[Jade [23k\]: Try asking in the beginner room
zee [9k\]: W is dead
]))
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Jugular [4k\]: cannot white play k14 isn'tead of g17?
Jade [23k\]: white can't block or black can otoishi at n16
]))
(;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[Uvas [-\]: uh oh
]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[zee [9k\]: too hard for W to handle this
]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[Haengma [-\]: J18 really nice from black :)
])
(;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[Haengma [-\]: oh yeah
Haengma [-\]: i see
]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[jg]CR[jg]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Jugular [4k\]: ok :)
]))
(;B[id]CR[id]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[mg]CR[mg]C[Haengma [-\]: yep
]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[kg]CR[kg]C[zee [9k\]: hard for B
]))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[zee [9k\]: hard for B
]))
(;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[kf]CR[kf]C[Murayama [?\]: ladder
]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[jf]CR[jf]C[Jade [23k\]: double atari
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[Jade [23k\]: guess they're dead anyways
oeillet [9k\]: better for black ?
Jade [23k\]: Black is happy on right...
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[zee [9k\]: W is not alive at the top
Scribe [?\]: not playable for white
zee [9k\]: also too much terr for B on the right
]
(;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [?\]: white not alive yet
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]C[ppt [9k?\]: is the ponnuki powerful for white in this case?
Scribe [?\]: black gets too much on the right
])
(;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Jade [23k\]: j18 for white?
])))
(;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[md]CR[md]C[Haengma [-\]: black ll cut yea
Murayama [?\]: big ko
Jade [23k\]: could black go m16 instead of m15?
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Jade [23k\]: no threats
Jugular [4k\]: too early for ko
Haengma [-\]: W bad bad ^^
]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[Haengma [-\]: ko in the begining -__-j
]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[zee [9k\]: too hard for W
]))
(;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[le]CR[le]))
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[mf]CR[mf]))
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Murayama [?\]: P13 new move for me
]))
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[Haengma [-\]: ah okay
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[utku [15k\]: what if black plays n16 before j16?
zee [9k\]: p13 p14 exchange was good for W
]))
(;W[me]CR[me]C[blue88 [15k\]: n15 is sake bottle OO
]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
(;W[kb]CR[kb]C[Badduck [5d\]: L18
Murayama [?\]: L18 need fjr w?
Scribe [?\]: timing.  white must play L18 before N16, else white will never be able to play L18, furthermove white is short on space for two eyes
]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[md]CR[md]C[Murayama [?\]: N15 standart here...no?
])
(;B[id]CR[id]
;W[md]CR[md]))
(;W[md]CR[md]C[zee [9k\]: L18 should be first
]
;B[ke]CR[ke]C[Haengma [-\]: because B needs to answer?
zee [9k\]: if W connects here...
Murayama [?\]: i see
zee [9k\]: W has life problems
]
(;W[kb]CR[kb]C[Tryras [23k\]: ?
]
;B[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Tryras [23k\]: o
Haengma [-\]: W in trouble
])
(;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[Haengma [-\]: make B stronger
fauli [12k\]: lose what?
Jade [23k\]: Black is getting nice stuff on right
zee [9k\]: this is bad for W
]))))
(;B[ke]CR[ke]C[Jade [23k\]: How do you spell tartare?
]
;W[me]CR[me]C[Tryras [23k\]: lol
]
;B[kg]CR[kg]C[wrong [1d?\]: W looks like squeesed
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]C[Jade [23k\]: I want to look it up on senseis so I know what he's talking about :/
Scribe [?\]: audio keeps cutting out 
zee [9k\]: W is happy this way
blue88 [15k\]: @ jugular: s18 better, robs the white base
Tryras [23k\]: he means territory
]
(;B[ph]CR[ph]C[Jade [23k\]: Oh!
Murayama [?\]: nice shape for w
Jade [23k\]: :)
zee [9k\]: B needs one more move
Scribe [?\]: black territory on right is now small
Haengma [-\]: no its fine
Scribe [?\]: white n17 aims at quick life
murky [?\]: why is Q12 wrong direction?
Haengma [-\]: :)
offtosea [15k\]: how does white invade top?
Jugular [4k\]: how would white black this new black moyo around h17?
Scribe [?\]: crashed...therefore black needs a move at  Q12
zee [9k\]: q12 is reverse sente
Scribe [?\]: Q12 is effectively reserve sente
Jugular [4k\]: so why is this new black wall not useful for black? How can it be nullified?
Jade [23k\]: It's small  ?
])
(;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
(;B[ok]CR[ok]C[Murayama [?\]: hard for b
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Haengma [-\]: black weak
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Murayama [?\]: yes
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Jade [23k\]: Black doesn't have enough liberties
murky [?\]: oh, yes.
Murayama [?\]: collapse
zee [9k\]: B has a problem
Haengma [-\]: -1 liberties
zee [9k\]: that is the reason for Q12
])
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Sting [6k\]: so what can B do after W attaches at r17 ?
]
;W[mi]CR[mi]C[Murayama [?\]: i remember Q12 
Haengma [-\]: so aanyway B needss Q12
]))))
(;W[le]CR[le]C[blue88 [15k\]: *pat*
Scribe [?\]: white seeks quick life on the top
Murayama [?\]: L17 R9 working
Haengma [-\]: mysticon, we are looking for the bad and the right variations so wait xD
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[jf]CR[jf]C[MysticoN [18k\]: q14 is good I think
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [?\]: black has easy way to obtain good shape up top
Haengma [-\]: he played Q14
MysticoN [18k\]: ^^
]))
(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[pf]CR[pf])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[MysticoN [18k\]: Q14  ?
Scribe [?\]: moyo is gone after white Q14
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[MysticoN [18k\]: isnt black q14 better than Q17  ?
zee [9k\]: good for W
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [?\]: again white has flattened black's territory....white has succeeded
]
;W[jq]CR[jq]C[Scribe [?\]: black needs to defend at H16
Murayama [?\]: i see
Jade [23k\]: Why not defend at h17?
wrong [1d?\]: too low
blue88 [15k\]: would get pressed flat @ jade
Scribe [?\]: therefore black must respond and can not play Q17
bneeman [17k\]: jade: playing alternating stones on 3rd row, 4th row, 3rd row gives more strength, and more territory
]))
(;W[ic]CR[ic]C[Murayama [?\]: ok thanks....
]
;B[je]CR[je]C[Scribe [?\]: White j17 later....aji for later in the game, not proper timing now
]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ig]CR[ig]
;W[gg]CR[gg]C[LaohJo [17k\]: i must leave now . is this lecture recorded for a review later ?
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[MysticoN [18k\]: black big moyo
Scribe [?\]: Black will sacrifice the three stones on lines D and E and build the top/right
wingnut [-\]: yes Jo
Jade [23k\]: What can white do if black doesn't q15?
Scribe [?\]: much bigger than white's corner
])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[od]CR[od]))
(;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [?\]: usual continuation to split black's right side.
Haengma [?\]: o yeah
Jade [23k\]: yes
okhna [14k?\]: clear
mayday [10k?\]: yes
groove [2k\]: no problem
apitoo [4k\]: yes
Jugular [4k\]: it's fine
swordsplay [7k\]: yes its good
Drum24 [12k\]: clearly
offtosea [15k\]: yes
playm8 [8k?\]: yes
smudge [12k?\]: audio is fine
gobasso [26k?\]: yes
iprincess [?\]: clear
Tryras [23k\]: np
jenijen [20k\]: loud & clear
zee [9k\]: clear
taudrilly [14k\]: yes, loud and clear
wingnut [-\]: it's fine :)
capra [8k?\]: no problem
isshoni [13k\]: yes no problem
Haengma [?\]: ok
aditsu [9k?\]: could be better, but I can hear
]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Jade [23k\]: Even working on java 1.5 :)
Murayama [?\]: D18 very big?
])
(;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[Jade [23k\]: D18 was sente, murayama.
])))
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[Scribe [?\]: variation to begin the large avalanche joseki
Haengma [?\]: yep
Scribe [?\]: rather older joseki....very complicated
]))
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Murayama [?\]: comi 6.5?
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Haengma [?\]: komi* :)
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[Uvas [-\]: yes
wrong [1d?\]: I adore mini chinese
Tryras [23k\]: ok
Jade [23k\]: Could white cut through there later?
]))