(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[Paris 2005-4]PW[Francesc Fernàndez]PB[Thierry Doussot]WR[2d]BR[3d]DT[2005-03-27]EV[Paris 2005]RO[4]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[murky [?\]: Hello, Teacher
grassinger [13k\]: hi
rakdver [13k\]: hi
rzhao [4k\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hi
hansb [3k?\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: yes
rakdver [13k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Shi
wingnut [-\]: 你好
grassinger [13k\]: yes
rzhao [4k\]: yes
eternal [16k?\]: hello
zee [9k\]: clear
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: Good Morning...Yes
smudge [11k?\]: Audio is fine
Arkdragon [14k\]: yrep
Scribe [?\]: Nihao laoshi
Jakobicek [12k\]: hi guo
smudge [11k?\]: Day Light Savings Time 
Wook [-\]: We live here on KGS, we have no other home :)
Scribe [?\]: Game from Paris Open played last weekend
wingnut [-\]: :)
Scribe [?\]: Game to be followed by lesson on basic shape
]
(;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[eq]CR[eq]TR[dc][pc]C[Scribe [?\]: K16 is not a bad move, but not fully according to theory
wingnut [-\]: top side?
hansb [3k?\]: C15 and R15 direction
murky [?\]: q11
goglu [-\]: what do you mean by doors ?
zee [9k\]: alomg the sides
groove [2k\]: yes
][Scribe [?\]: K16 is not a bad move, but not fully according to theory
wingnut [-\]: top side?
hansb [3k?\]: C15 and R15 direction
murky [?\]: q11
goglu [-\]: what do you mean by doors ?
zee [9k\]: alomg the sides
][Scribe [?\]: K16 is not a bad move, but not fully according to theory
wingnut [-\]: top side?
hansb [3k?\]: C15 and R15 direction
murky [?\]: q11
goglu [-\]: what do you mean by doors ?
zee [9k\]: alomg the sides
]
(;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [?\]: White 2d, Black 2-3d
wingnut [-\]: ahh door = enclosure?
Scribe [?\]: both q17 and d17 have doors, the doors are closed by playing shimari on second line
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: q15?
blue88 [15k\]: door =shimari/kakari
Uvas [-\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
PAG2 [11k\]: yes
murky [?\]: kinda
Jakobicek [12k\]: yup
Scribe [?\]: Go Theory....close the door then large extensions on the side
smudge [11k?\]: Yes, very clear
wholeboard [?\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: pros therefore will normally close the door or open the other players door
Scribe [?\]: K16 will no lose the game, but it is not optimal
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[zee [9k\]: K16 does not attack B
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [?\]: Black enters the open door in the top right...must be low to prevent the two space high pincer from being severe....black needs to settle more quickly
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Shuro [3k\]: ^^
murky [?\]: d18
herwoo [14k\]: D14 
Grimley [8k\]: d18 first
groove [2k\]: q15?
Uvas [-\]: e13?
rzhao [4k\]: d18
hansb [3k?\]: d14
Hennuz [11k?\]: why don't you ask for your money back?
Jade [22k\]: Who said I paid?
]
(;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [?\]: white tries to create moyo at the top
]
;B[db]CR[db]TR[ec][dd][fd][de]C[Scribe [?\]: D18 first is critical
Jade [22k\]: Last lecture I came to in ing, they did the same thing
Jade [22k\]: A common shape, apparently
Scribe [?\]: Black descent at d18 makes white four stones heavy
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[zee [9k\]: W heavy
haka [-\]: r6 too
PAG2 [11k\]: R14 lonely?
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: b wouldnt respond to q15 move.? 
Uvas [-\]: yes
groove [2k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Theory question: make territory with strong position (thickness) or not?
seidelin [8k\]: r14 weak maybe better to strenghten it
Uvas [-\]: e13?
Lucifer [-\]: C9?
wingnut [-\]: yep
Jade [22k\]: r11?
][zee [9k\]: W heavy
haka [-\]: r6 too
PAG2 [11k\]: R14 lonely?
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: b wouldnt respond to q15 move.? 
Uvas [-\]: yes
groove [2k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Theory question: make territory with strong position (thickness) or not?
seidelin [8k\]: r14 weak maybe better to strenghten it
Uvas [-\]: e13?
Lucifer [-\]: C9?
][zee [9k\]: W heavy
haka [-\]: r6 too
PAG2 [11k\]: R14 lonely?
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: b wouldnt respond to q15 move.? 
Uvas [-\]: yes
groove [2k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Theory question: make territory with strong position (thickness) or not?
seidelin [8k\]: r14 weak maybe better to strenghten it
Uvas [-\]: e13?
Lucifer [-\]: C9?
][zee [9k\]: W heavy
haka [-\]: r6 too
PAG2 [11k\]: R14 lonely?
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: b wouldnt respond to q15 move.? 
Uvas [-\]: yes
groove [2k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Theory question: make territory with strong position (thickness) or not?
seidelin [8k\]: r14 weak maybe better to strenghten it
Uvas [-\]: e13?
Lucifer [-\]: C9?
]
(;B[dj]CR[dj]TR[pc][jd][pe]C[Scribe [?\]: the f16 d18 exchange is not good for white
seidelin [8k\]: like it
groove [2k\]: me too
Jakobicek [12k\]: me too
haka [-\]: like it
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes\\
Drag0n [8k\]: i like it
Jade [22k\]: I prefer d11, but I don't know what I'm doing
Uvas [-\]: i dont
swordsplay [8k\]: its on the wrong part of the board i think
murky [?\]: better if lower
rzhao [4k\]: not exactly
herwoo [14k\]: extension of shimari
blue88 [15k\]: could you mark the last move plz? :)
Arkdragon [14k\]: builds moyo
Scribe [?\]: black must support his weakest stone, the stone on at r14
goglu [-\]: bleack was outnumbered at the start
suducodu [?\]: White looks bad
]
(;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Jade [22k\]: Is r14 dead at this point?
zee [9k\]: good to attack here
Scribe [?\]: very good white attack
Scribe [?\]: black failed to respond to white q14, therefore punish
zee [9k\]: B did not help R14
]
;B[og]CR[og]C[Scribe [?\]: Many ways to punish this black
DangoMouse [-\]: cut?
wingnut [-\]: cut?
Scribe [?\]: white o14 is strange, the top will not be big, both d18 and invasion at h16 will shrink the top
Jade [22k\]: q13?
DangoMouse [-\]: q13
npk196 [13k\]: b can alive
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]LB[fb:B][hd:A]C[Scribe [?\]: R14 better than q12
Shuro [3k\]: o.o
KgsOvPl [4d\]: build moyo while attack
Scribe [?\]: white p15 walks ahead
]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
(;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[Scribe [?\]: very big to block corner at r15
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
(;B[ri]CR[ri]C[wingnut [-\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: wrong direction
Scribe [?\]: by black
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Jade [22k\]: Yeah.  Giving black tiny territory on side and giving white nice influence
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Scribe [?\]: black is fighting with his own plan
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Jade [22k\]: why not r10 for black?
]
;B[lj]CR[lj]C[groove [2k\]: painful
Lilltiger [12k\]: good for white
suducodu [?\]: good for black
wingnut [-\]: Good for W
Uvas [-\]: b
MrBen [21k\]: w
Bodo212 [15k\]: w
kyrilin [16k\]: white
healed [12k?\]: white
Ekei [12k\]: black
trantran07 [16k\]: BBBB
zee [9k\]: W 
Baga [11k\]: w
adinda [?\]: w
pugh [16k\]: w
DangoMouse [-\]: w
trantran07 [16k\]: B
Jade [22k\]: I think r10 would've killed r11
seidelin [8k\]: black
suducodu [?\]: why white?
goglu [-\]: overall , game is ok for black
av8 [11k\]: b
zee [9k\]: B is heavy
]
(;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[jq]LB[db:15][dc:3][ec:12][pc:4][cd:11][dd:10][fd:14][jd:6][rd:42][ce:9][de:8][pe:16][qe:28][re:41][cf:13][nf:20][of:24][pf:23][qf:7][sf:45][ng:34][og:19][pg:22][qg:27][mh:31][nh:30][oh:26][ph:18][qh:21][ni:29][oi:33][pi:25][qi:32][ri:35][dj:17][lj:43][qj:36][rj:37][dk:A][qk:38][rk:39][ql:40][rl:44][cp:1][pp:2][eq:5][jq:46]C[Chalx [6k\]: what's wrong with b R10?
Jade [22k\]: nothing.  She said it was preferable
suducodu [?\]:            
Scribe [?\]: White 14: bad idea...white stones in this area are heavy
zee [9k\]: W F16 was bad, 
Scribe [?\]: Black 17: bad..tries to build territory from thickness, the right side is urgent
Scribe [?\]: must play urgent before big
Jade [22k\]: It's nonintuitive to build territory with weak stones :/
Scribe [?\]: plas there are other bigger points
zee [9k\]: B D10 was building territory from thickness
kgskgs [1k\]: 大家好.
Scribe [?\]: to play on left play closer to the weaker lower left corner
kgskgs [1k\]: 郭老师您好.
wingnut [-\]: can I borrow your Joseki book Guo Juan? mine is out of date :p
suducodu [?\]: I think white is winning. Maybe.
kgskgs [1k\]: 我听不懂啊.痛苦.
wingnut [-\]: nope
DangoMouse [-\]: should w s14?
suducodu [?\]: No
evilGOer [?\]: how can w getto middle?
DangoMouse [-\]: before he plays 38
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[sk]CR[sk]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[sp]CR[sp]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[li]CR[li]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[kh]CR[kh]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[jl]CR[jl]
;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[hg]CR[hg]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[gh]CR[gh]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[jh]CR[jh]
;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[ik]CR[ik]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[hk]CR[hk]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[fj]CR[fj]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[ap]CR[ap]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[gm]CR[gm]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[np]CR[np])
(;B[]C[suducodu [?\]: (or her)
]
(;W[lf]CR[lf])
(;W[ij]CR[ij]C[seidelin [8k\]: would it be good for black?
kgskgs [1k\]: 谁能看到我说话?
seidelin [8k\]: to play there
trantran07 [16k\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: white should attack black with this cap
suducodu [?\]: Okays
Jade [22k\]: Build territory with thickness during endgame?
Jade [22k\]: When nothing else left?
Jian111 [?\]: 我
DangoMouse [-\]: sure Jade
kgskgs [1k\]: 我好痛苦,听不懂.
Scribe [?\]: whichever way black runs, white will build territory on that side while black flees
suducodu [?\]: okay
murky [?\]: thx
wingnut [-\]: ok, thx :)
])))
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[se]CR[se]C[Scribe [?\]: this capture is very big
suducodu [?\]: But doesn't that only gain him a few points?
]
(;B[sg]CR[sg]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[sk]CR[sk])
(;B[sh]CR[sh]C[Scribe [?\]: much better sequence
kgskgs [1k\]: 是啊黑很重.
seidelin [8k\]: would m14 be a good move later?
])))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: cut is just vulgar
]))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]))
(;W[pg]CR[pg]C[groove [2k\]: q9
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[of]CR[of]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: shibori
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[DangoMouse [-\]: p16
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[Jade [22k\]: r15?
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[swordsplay [8k\]: p16?
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[wingnut [-\]: one cut much better than the other?
healed [12k?\]: good for black
Drag0n [8k\]: good for black
groove [2k\]: good for b
Chalx [6k\]: for b
Arkdragon [14k\]: good for white
kyrilin [16k\]: good for b
goglu [-\]: successs for black
wingnut [-\]: B seems ok
Yemon [9k\]: good for b
npk196 [13k\]: good for b
Jakobicek [12k\]: black fine
Lilltiger [12k\]: good for b
rzhao [4k\]: for B
pugh [16k\]: w territory good
suducodu [?\]: white
Jade [22k\]: White should've done better
Hennuz [11k?\]: looks gd for b
seidelin [8k\]: black
romain [11k?\]: white
Baga [11k\]: b
MrBen [21k\]: b
trantran07 [16k\]: WWWWWWWW
Arkdragon [14k\]: nvm
Brutha [9k?\]: black 
wholeboard [?\]: black
Chalx [6k\]: other cut better?
blue88 [15k\]: black got nice shape white a wall with cuttinpoints
rzhao [4k\]: w spent 3 moves for this
Drag0n [8k\]: black has safe pos
Scribe [?\]: black has settled inside white's area....good for black
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[seidelin [8k\]: black got sabaki while white got nothing sure
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]TR[jd][ne][nf][of]C[Scribe [?\]: while outnumbered by 3-1 at the start
wingnut [-\]: B should be much worse position, since W has more stones there
Scribe [?\]: plus white is overconcentrated
Scribe [?\]: too easy for black
])
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: better make b make bad shape
pugh [16k\]: r15
Brutha [9k?\]: q8
swordsplay [8k\]: p15?
Jade [22k\]: o15?
Scribe [?\]: white R12 is crucial move
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]C[goglu [-\]: P15 
Jakobicek [12k\]: p15
Scribe [?\]: better for white to take away the base of the black group
Scribe [?\]: force it to run
KgsOvPl [4d\]: white will build right and top now ?
zee [9k\]: now B is heavy and W has terr on top
Scribe [?\]: now black is heavy and white has the top right territory
wingnut [-\]: ok
murky [?\]: Good
]))
(;W[jq]CR[jq]C[Scribe [?\]: the right side is urgent
zee [9k\]: right side is more urgent
KgsOvPl [4d\]: with R14 black can make white's moyo seem small
Scribe [?\]: white is developing faster than black, much more efficient
KgsOvPl [4d\]: need to add a move
healed [12k?\]: yes
wholeboard [?\]: yes
Drag0n [8k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: clear
PAG2 [11k\]: very clear
kyrilin [16k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Jakobicek [12k\]: clear
Shuro [3k\]: nyu:)
])
(;W[qe]CR[qe]))
(;B[di]CR[di]C[goglu [-\]: I would play on right instead
KgsOvPl [4d\]: i prefer black
Scribe [?\]: do NOT use thickness to build territory
])
(;B[dk]CR[dk]TR[cp][eq])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[blue88 [15k\]: build a base for r14
Scribe [?\]: therefore black play at d11 is wrong, if must play on left play closer to the lower left shimari
])
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[zee [9k\]: use the shimari if tou have to play on the left
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[kyrilin [16k\]: make right stone strong
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[ql]CR[ql]))
(;W[db]CR[db]C[pugh [16k\]: e18
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Grimley [8k\]: then f16
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [?\]: White f16 does nor preserve the moyo
])
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[db]CR[db]TR[dd][de]C[DangoMouse [-\]: a joke ;)
]
(;W[fd]CR[fd])
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: the two white stones are quite heavy
])))
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Jade [22k\]: k16 sets up a moyo for white?
KgsOvPl [4d\]: but it is an important point for both isn't it
zee [9k\]: this is difficult for B
Koreangrl8 [17k\]: oh...   ^ -^
]))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [?\]: third line
]
(;B[cf]CR[cf])
(;B[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[]
;W[jd]CR[jd]))
(;W[cf]CR[cf])
(;W[ce]CR[ce])
(;W[ci]CR[ci])
(;W[de]CR[de]))
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[Scribe [?\]: Basic joseki
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[po]CR[po]C[Haengma [15k?\]: (just begin ?)
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]C[groove [2k\]: yes
Lilltiger [12k\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
seidelin [8k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: No...
]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[mp]CR[mp]C[Haengma [15k?\]: >_<  
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Brutha [9k?\]: seems bad for w
]))