(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-04-03]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Wook [-\]: hi mingjiu
blue88 [15k\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hello
wholeboard [?\]: hi
haka [-\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Ni hao laoshi
rakdver [13k\]: hi
Meccano [16k\]: Hello
PAG2 [11k\]: hello :)
Jade [22k\]: Hi
DangoMouse [-\]: hi Mingjiu
janine [12k\]: helo
Q [8k\]: hello
zee [9k\]: yes
kidzzz [15k\]: hello
murky [?\]: Hi, morning
Meccano [16k\]: Fine
haka [-\]: yup
PAG2 [11k\]: yes
chucha [22k\]: yup
Haengma [15k?\]: hi hi! :)
Klops [12k\]: yes
GoSean [27k?\]: yes
pyrrus [17k\]: hello
rzhao [4k\]: hi, yes
Scribe [?\]: we can hear you....quiet but can hear
Marilyn [11k?\]: hello
wingnut [-\]: 你好
KgsOvPl [4d\]: nihao :)
Jade [22k\]: :::Turns his volume up:::
akew [21k?\]: hello
pugh [16k\]: hello
Haengma [15k?\]: ^_^
adinda [?\]: veryyyy low sound
PAG2 [11k\]: a little louder would be nice
kgskgs [1k\]: 您好.
Wook [-\]: pag turn up your speakers
Scribe [?\]: louder please, speaker at max already
Scribe [?\]: better than the joseki for white
janine [12k\]: ...
wingnut [-\]: uh huh
capra [8k?\]: yes
Haengma [15k?\]: SO MUCH !
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: very good!
Janez [2k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: Yes a lot  !
blue88 [15k\]: thanks, thanks to ing foundation, and of course thanks to kgs, thanks to scribe
Haengma [15k?\]: ^^
Haengma [15k?\]: to live 
Haengma [15k?\]: Xd
wingnut [-\]: live
zee [9k\]: live
rzhao [4k\]: 谢谢
janine [12k\]: ^ ^ *
BareNaked [29k?\]: To kil and to live
BareNaked [29k?\]: XD
seidelin [8k\]: both?
hansb [3k?\]: that the question
blue88 [15k\]: seki :D
]
(;B[co]CR[co]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[zee [9k\]: 2 4d from San Fran tournament
]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[Wook [-\]: <- speakers at 20%, loud and clear
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]C[Uvas [-\]: sound is fine for me
]
;B[qr]CR[qr]C[Lucifer [-\]: ?
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Lucifer [-\]: J3
]
;B[qn]CR[qn]LB[eo:D][ep:C][dq:A][eq:B][fq:E]C[Haengma [15k?\]: very common
adinda [?\]: hardly audible
suducodu [?\]: Yep
Haengma [15k?\]: R8 ?
hate [1d?\]: P7
murky [?\]: e3
groove [2k\]: e3
Lilltiger [12k\]: p7 or tenuki
Yemon [9k\]: Ｐ7
hansb [3k?\]: E4
hockdoong [9k?\]: J3
swordsplay [8k\]: e4?
suducodu [?\]: r5
pugh [16k\]: r5
evilGOer [?\]: e4
goglu [-\]: J3 
agui [7k\]: o4
smudge [11k?\]: O4
Klops [12k\]: p7
spingle [9k\]: e4
seidelin [8k\]: left side corners
kyrilin [16k\]: o4
wingnut [-\]: this is a common joseki, where should White play?
zee [9k\]: D3
Scribe [?\]: direction of play question for white....white must play on the left lower corner
Brutha [9k?\]: e5?
Scribe [?\]: but where ?
blue88 [15k\]: what if white plays hoshi?
pugh [16k\]: b
suducodu [?\]: c
Haengma [15k?\]: ok
]
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[Scribe [?\]: E (f3) is not playable
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[suducodu [?\]: e seems a bit far
Lucifer [-\]: E4
])
(;W[eq]CR[eq]C[swordsplay [8k\]: c
DangoMouse [-\]: C
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]TR[eq]C[kgskgs [1k\]: 老师,您讲句中文OK.
bisly [?\]: c
Scribe [?\]: good territorial result for white
Jade [22k\]: e5 first, then h4?
HyperSonic [19k?\]: whoa
]
(;W[hp]CR[hp]C[akew [21k?\]: C
Scribe [?\]: black will take the corner at A (d3) if white plays E
Haengma [15k?\]: fine
apitoo [4k\]: c
lobster [6k?\]: I hate territory
hansb [3k?\]: K3
zee [9k\]: H4 bad
murky [?\]: thx
lobster [6k?\]: plz show j4 invasion?
]
(;B[ip]CR[ip]C[wingnut [-\]: 7p says bad ;-)
murky [?\]: no sound
Jade [22k\]: murky: Turn up your speakers to max ...
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Scribe [?\]: this shape can not be fixed (after white h4)
spingle [9k\]: restart your client murky
])
(;B[]C[Kikuchyo [?\]: m5?
suducodu [?\]: no, it's too concentrated
]
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[wingnut [-\]: no
rzhao [4k\]: can u speak a bit louder
])
(;W[eo]CR[eo]C[DangoMouse [-\]: j3?
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[hate [1d?\]: turn up your volume ...
])))
(;W[eo]CR[eo])
(;W[gp]CR[gp]C[Haengma [15k?\]: bigger moyo
wingnut [-\]: E5 for moyo
zee [9k\]: E5 for moyo
Scribe [?\]: White E5 for moyo, white G4 for territory
]
;B[]C[zee [9k\]: G4 for terr
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[Haengma [15k?\]: so H4 deffinitly bad ?
]))
(;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[em]LB[em:A]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: this is nice
seidelin [8k\]: nice
Scribe [?\]: E4 a good way to start the moyo building
Haengma [15k?\]: wow!
blue88 [15k\]: what about white hoshi?
suducodu [?\]: yep
zee [9k\]: better for W
Scribe [?\]: much better than playing at e3 frist
Marilyn [11k?\]: but b in F2 ... no ?
offtosea [16k\]: b f2?
GoSean [27k?\]: but black can still invade...
bisly [?\]: f2?
]))
(;B[de]CR[de]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[murky [?\]: I just got my audio back
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[ep]CR[ep]C[Haengma [15k?\]: black opening is not comon ^^ 
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[en]CR[en]C[Haengma [15k?\]: awww
Scribe [?\]: white e6 is too short, should be at e7
]
;B[er]CR[er]
(;W[gq]CR[gq]TR[en]C[Haengma [15k?\]: F2 doesnt work for b ?
murky [?\]: then, e7 not good?
Haengma [15k?\]: yes slow
zee [9k\]: e6 is too slow now
Haengma [15k?\]: ok
])
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[swordsplay [8k\]: g3
suducodu [?\]: No where
]
(;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Haengma [15k?\]: nowwhere...
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[zee [9k\]: W moyo gone after G3
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[suducodu [?\]: why not d7?
offtosea [16k\]: c14?
]
(;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [?\]: white moyo has disappeared after the urgent black move of g3
]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[zee [9k\]: after C14 corner too small for W
]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[ac]CR[ac]C[DangoMouse [-\]: instead of f16 c17?
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]C[zee [9k\]: this is a gote joseki
]
(;W[el]CR[el]C[suducodu [?\]: White had no moyo?
kyrilin [16k\]: black looks better
Haengma [15k?\]: + 1 move to jump E8 so E7 was better
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[wingnut [-\]: now W come back to fix weakness?
Haengma [15k?\]: ahah ^^ 
Scribe [?\]: black got thickness facing into white moyo
murky [?\]: e8 strange
pugh [16k\]: w has no eyes
Drag0n [8k\]: e8 rather at g3?
Scribe [?\]: white corner is too small after black descent at c14 if white protects bottom at g3
Haengma [15k?\]: yep
Lilltiger [12k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: Yes
offtosea [16k\]: clear
Meccano [16k\]: Yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: clear
wholeboard [?\]: clear
wingnut [-\]: is fine :)
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
Marilyn [11k?\]: yes
])
(;W[gq]CR[gq]TR[en]C[zee [9k\]: W should G3
Jade [22k\]: if white insists on attacking ll corner, white should c7?
healed [12k?\]: does black have a good move after white g3?
suducodu [?\]: e8
Q [8k\]: d7 now?
PCB [2d?\]: b coose wrong joseki?
Lilltiger [12k\]: b 017?
fint [?\]: q6
kyrilin [16k\]: attack upper right edge
swordsplay [8k\]: d13 was too slow?
Bodo212 [15k\]: d9
suducodu [?\]: his wall is useless?
zee [9k\]: D7
]))
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[Haengma [15k?\]: sente to invade
wingnut [-\]: E17 ?
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[df]CR[df]C[DangoMouse [-\]: can't b just take territory with c17?
]
(;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Haengma [15k?\]: ok
offtosea [16k\]: ok
zee [9k\]: this is better for B
wingnut [-\]: B better
murky [?\]: much better
suducodu [?\]: Black is better
Scribe [?\]: black must choose sente joseki in the top left so that the can play g3
agui [7k\]: black better
Haengma [15k?\]: black mastering the situation
Bodo212 [15k\]: like B
])
(;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[cf]CR[cf])))
(;B[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [?\]: urgent move by black !
]))))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
(;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [?\]: if black plays q18 he must support both stones (o17 and q18) directly
]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[Haengma [15k?\]: okay
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[md]CR[md]
(;B[qc]CR[qc])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[zee [9k\]: O17 hard to give up after the corner exchange
Haengma [15k?\]: nothing
]))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Uvas [-\]: bad
Lilltiger [12k\]: bad
healed [12k?\]: good for black
wingnut [-\]: no
Haengma [15k?\]: badddd
blue88 [15k\]: bad shape for black
janine [12k\]: - - "
Scribe [?\]: without q18 black cna play faster at L16 and retain option of entering corner if white M17
goglu [-\]: no reason to play it so soon
Lilltiger [12k\]: corner still weak
offtosea [16k\]: corner still invadable
Haengma [15k?\]: strenghen black
hansb [3k?\]: no cornerinvasion possibel
Drag0n [8k\]: corner still open?
rzhao [4k\]: b stronger
Brutha [8k?\]: 3-3 invasion still works
zee [9k\]: corner still open
adinda [?\]: strengthenoing opponent
jarl [10k\]: corner still open?
Lilltiger [12k\]: black got stronger
lefuet [9k\]: corner is still open
Q [8k\]: white still needs r17?
wingnut [-\]: W corner still open?
blue88 [15k\]: i like it
ligo [8k?\]: r17
agui [7k\]: loses a possible invasion
cmfoo79 [?\]: black invade at R17
blue88 [15k\]: l16 uneffective now
wingnut [-\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
blue88 [15k\]: p18?
]
(;W[]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[kgskgs [1k\]: 自己开的房间好象不能播声音的是吗?
]
;W[])
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]C[Haengma [15k?\]: its strenghen black 
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rb]CR[rb])
(;W[re]CR[re]C[hansb [3k?\]: R16
agui [7k\]: R18
healed [12k?\]: s18
cmfoo79 [?\]: p 18
swordsplay [8k\]: q18 and s18?
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[hansb [3k?\]: S18
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[sc]CR[sc])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[zee [9k\]: B lives
Haengma [15k?\]: living without condition :)
Scribe [?\]: black can live, no ko
healed [12k?\]: i have always wondered about this :)
]
(;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[wingnut [-\]: B can live in the corner with no KO
])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[Jade [22k\]: white was greedy
nutcase [1k\]: T19
swordsplay [8k\]: t19?
agui [7k\]: T19
]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[nutcase [1k\]: S17
Haengma [15k?\]: looool
Jade [22k\]: And winning ko is useless?
nutcase [1k\]: no ko
Drag0n [8k\]: s17
suducodu [?\]: why don't you just go to s 17?
kgskgs [1k\]: 哦.老师讲得很好啊.
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [?\]: bad for white lost a lot of points and does for the kill....too heavy for white
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[hockdoong [9k?\]: no ko
])
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[GoWhispers [12k\]: now black buildes territory
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Isumi81 [18k\]: :)
]
;B[jj]CR[jj]C[Haengma [15k?\]: ^^
Jade [22k\]: black is happy
Haengma [15k?\]: not interesting
zee [9k\]: not good for W
])))
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[zee [9k\]: trick move
wingnut [-\]: Q19 trick move
suducodu [?\]: r19
Jade [22k\]: q18?
Lilltiger [12k\]: r19
blue88 [15k\]: r19
agui [7k\]: R19
]
(;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Haengma [15k?\]: dead
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]))))
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[murky [?\]: gote
Haengma [15k?\]: nice  shape
suducodu [?\]: Side
Jade [22k\]: black is still happy
seidelin [8k\]: rock solid
Haengma [15k?\]: : )
zee [9k\]: B has sente and bettershape
]))
(;B[]))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[])
(;W[de]CR[de]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [?\]: bad exchange for white P17, black o16
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[Lilltiger [12k\]: b16?
]
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[bb]CR[bb]C[zee [9k\]: joseki
]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[wingnut [-\]: yes
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[murky [?\]: yes, we remember
]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[cf]CR[cf])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[Haengma [15k?\]: aw
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[db]CR[db]C[zee [9k\]: b trick move
suducodu [?\]: b16
Jade [22k\]: white to b16?
wingnut [-\]: B C16 trick move
]
(;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Grimley [8k\]: should play c14 instead of b18?
zee [9k\]: C16 is trick move
blue88 [15k\]: nice 3 points ^^
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[wingnut [-\]: small?
suducodu [?\]: too small?
Scribe [?\]: white will live in the corner but very bad idea
Jade [22k\]: white was not only in gote but lost 2 turns, not just 1
]
(;W[]C[zee [9k\]: bad idea for W to try to live in corner
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
(;W[ab]CR[ab]C[zee [9k\]: B kills
]
;B[ca]CR[ca])
(;W[ad]CR[ad]C[Jade [22k\]: only one eye
wingnut [-\]: ouch
]
;B[ca]CR[ca]))
(;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[Lilltiger [12k\]: np
agui [7k\]: no
groove [2k\]: hehehe w sucks
wingnut [-\]: no
GoSean [27k?\]: no way
zee [9k\]: bad for W
suducodu [?\]: noway
pugh [16k\]: no
]))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ch]TR[cb][cc][be][ce][ch]C[zee [9k\]: good enough for W
Scribe [?\]: good enough for white
suducodu [?\]: d13 black stone injured?
Haengma [15k?\]: like the way white punishes him : D
Haengma [15k?\]: sacrifice
wingnut [-\]: B D13 looks very weak
]))))
(;W[]
(;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[re]CR[re]C[DangoMouse [-\]: how does p18 play out?
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd])
(;W[]
;B[nd]TR[oc][nd]C[zee [9k\]: W has better shape without the corner exchange
]))))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
(;B[ld]CR[ld])
(;B[kc]CR[kc])
(;B[kd]CR[kd]TR[pb][qc]C[Grimley [8k\]: why not there?
zee [9k\]: l16 bad after exchange
healed [12k?\]: white invade
Scribe [?\]: not playable for black
Haengma [15k?\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
adinda [?\]: why??
chucha [22k\]: no
romain [11k?\]: yup why not?
Brutha [8k?\]: n17
hansb [3k?\]: M17 is weak point
blue88 [15k\]: h17
suducodu [?\]: unstable?
ChoK [-\]: n17
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]TR[nc]C[goglu [-\]: weakness at M17
nutcase [1k\]: b R17 invasion gone
rzhao [4k\]: horrible shape
])))
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
(;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qk]CR[qk])
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[Scribe [?\]: white is trapped in the corner
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Haengma [15k?\]: héhé
]
(;W[rp]CR[rp]C[Scribe [?\]: trick move black r4
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[zee [9k\]: R4 trick
]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[sq]CR[sq]C[Haengma [15k?\]:  :D
])
(;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[zee [9k\]: this is better for W
Scribe [?\]: punishment for black r4
suducodu [?\]: whtie is better
rzhao [4k\]: isn't this joseki
Haengma [15k?\]: lol !
zee [9k\]: B should not try to live in corner
romain [11k?\]: yup
groove [2k\]: clear
wingnut [-\]: clear
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
wholeboard [?\]: yes
chucha [22k\]: yup
murky [?\]: clear
offtosea [16k\]: clear
suducodu [?\]: clear
Sting [6k\]: YES
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
janine [12k\]: yes, very clear
Lilltiger [12k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
tibra [14k?\]: yes
Drag0n [8k\]: yes
Meccano [16k\]: Yep
Haengma [15k?\]: perfectly
seidelin [8k\]: yes...good lesson
goglu [-\]: classical trick play :-)
janine [12k\]: ^ ^
suducodu [?\]: crystal clear :P
Haengma [15k?\]: yes
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]C[Scribe [?\]: better than the joseki for white
seidelin [8k\]: =)
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[cj]CR[cj]LB[dh:B][ol:A]TR[cf][qo][ro]C[Haengma [15k?\]: big
Haengma [15k?\]: top
Yemon [9k\]: b
offtosea [16k\]: ul
Drum24 [12k\]: left
Jade [22k\]: Top is bigger.  And bottom gives white stronger stones
zee [9k\]: top is joseki and B has a bigger corner
murky [?\]: bigger
agui [7k\]: white is stronger
wingnut [-\]: Lower Right W better
Jade [22k\]: blacks edge looks smaller
Yemon [9k\]: right
suducodu [?\]: White is much better
offtosea [16k\]: yes
zee [9k\]: P8 bigger than D12
janine [12k\]: understand - -
])))
(;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[rzhao [4k\]: not here last week
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[romain [11k?\]: hum i skipped class and didnt phone friend for homework lol
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[blue88 [15k\]: sensei i forgot my homework :'( XD
]
;B[fa]CR[fa]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[wingnut [-\]: write out 100 lines...
]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[ee]CR[ee]C[Haengma [15k?\]: you arent serious bad bad!  lol 
offtosea [16k\]: e18?
Haengma [15k?\]: write out 1000 lines in chineese xD
goglu [-\]: E18 
wingnut [-\]: :P
goglu [-\]: white kills !
hansb [3k?\]: w kills b
lefuet [9k\]: e18
Scribe [?\]: BAD students !  homework availble at http://inggoeschool.bresler.org
Drag0n [8k\]: e18?
seidelin [8k\]: yes
Sting [6k\]: c19?
MysticoN [18k\]: D19 
rzhao [4k\]: c19
MysticoN [18k\]: d19
blue88 [15k\]: e18, i saw "Tsumego" solving this in french ^^*
Sting [6k\]: C19
hansb [3k?\]: C18
groove [2k\]: c18
Jade [22k\]: d18?
seidelin [8k\]: d19
Haengma [15k?\]: xD
blue88 [15k\]: hope i remember it right XD
]
;B[se]CR[se]C[hockdoong [9k?\]: c19
zee [9k\]: this way B lives
DangoMouse [-\]: h19
Drum24 [12k\]: h19
goglu [-\]: E18
Lilltiger [12k\]: e18
wingnut [-\]: H19 
Jade [22k\]: d18
seidelin [8k\]: ¨d19
nutcase [1k\]: C18 the best?
wingnut [-\]: E18 
vlasac [14k?\]: H19
Drag0n [8k\]: e18
]
(;W[cb]CR[cb]C[goglu [-\]: not an easy problem to read fully.
]
;B[ha]CR[ha]LB[da:A]TR[dd][fd]C[Haengma [15k?\]: big wall
hansb [3k?\]: E19
rzhao [4k\]: w cant
wjzz [9k\]: d19
wjzz [9k\]: right :)
Yemon [9k\]: how about C19?
Jade [22k\]: if white goes e19, black can go d19
])
(;W[ca]CR[ca]C[DangoMouse [-\]: just h19?
DangoMouse [-\]: for w
blue88 [15k\]: e18 for live :)
goglu [-\]: H19 
Klaus [13k\]: h19 black lives by E18
nutcase [1k\]: good move
Sting [6k\]: yup
rzhao [4k\]: if b h19, w e19
wingnut [-\]: ok
Yemon [9k\]: magic of corner:)
]
(;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ha]CR[ha])
(;B[ha]CR[ha]C[Sting [6k\]: B D19
hockdoong [9k?\]: wah...
]
(;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Grimley [8k\]: cool
Yemon [9k\]: ah
nutcase [1k\]: oh
hockdoong [9k?\]: oh
])
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[ea]CR[ea]C[nutcase [1k\]: ko
rzhao [4k\]: ah well...
]))
(;B[eb]CR[eb]C[Drag0n [8k\]: ko < sure death
goglu [-\]: Ko is a failure for white though.
]
(;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[zee [9k\]: C19 results in Ko
])
(;W[db]CR[db]C[DangoMouse [-\]: no
Jade [22k\]: no
Lilltiger [12k\]: no
])))
(;W[ha]CR[ha]C[blueplayer [20k\]: d19
lefuet [9k\]: E18 
hockdoong [9k?\]: wow.
Klaus [13k\]: pretty evil ko for white?
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]C[DangoMouse [-\]: b18
]
(;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[nutcase [1k\]: ko
DangoMouse [-\]: d19
])
(;W[eb]CR[eb]
(;B[db]CR[db]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[DangoMouse [-\]: not ko nutcase
])
(;B[bc]CR[bc]
(;W[fb]CR[fb]C[janine [12k\]: o.O
]
;B[db]CR[db]C[nutcase [1k\]: oh
Sting [6k\]: lol
]
;W[ga]CR[ga]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[nutcase [1k\]: cool
])
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Grimley [8k\]: now white takes first
]))))
(;W[eb]CR[eb]C[goglu [-\]: No Ko but double-ko :-)
DangoMouse [-\]: lol
]
(;B[db]CR[db]C[DangoMouse [-\]: hmm
zee [9k\]: Correct answer is e18
]
;W[ha]CR[ha])
(;B[cb]CR[cb]C[Jade [22k\]: f18?
]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
(;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ha]CR[ha])
(;B[ba]CR[ba]C[rzhao [4k\]: a17
]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[da]CR[da]TR[bb]
(;W[ha]CR[ha]
;B[bc]CR[bc])
(;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ha]CR[ha])
(;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[ha]CR[ha]
;W[aa]CR[aa]C[wingnut [-\]: eeek
nutcase [1k\]: double ko
offtosea [16k\]: aha
zee [9k\]: now B is dead double ko
nutcase [1k\]: this prob look familar
rzhao [4k\]: i just remembered doing this on goproblems.com
agui [7k\]: very nice !!
Jade [22k\]: mingjiu is stealing his material :P
Grimley [8k\]: so unlimited ko threads for black?
Haengma [15k?\]: ^^
janine [12k\]: - - " very difficult
hockdoong [9k?\]: lol
nutcase [1k\]: 4d level?
wingnut [-\]: hehe
Haengma [15k?\]: and if you cannot?
Haengma [15k?\]: lol
wingnut [-\]: practice
BareNaked [29k?\]: haha..
Jade [22k\]: if black goes to a18, white can go b17?
Haengma [15k?\]: ^^
wingnut [-\]: L & D book
offtosea [16k\]: write on the board 1000 times
Klaus [13k\]: yes ^^ life and death are never enough
janine [12k\]: i pray my opponent also cannot
Haengma [15k?\]: thats what i do :)
janine [12k\]: =P
agui [7k\]: Good lesson
Q [8k\]: good lesson, thanks
haka [-\]: thanks for the lesson
blueplayer [20k\]: thank you
blue88 [15k\]: the ranking on goproblems is weird, no big difference between 10k and 1d ^^*
hockdoong [9k?\]: thanks for the lesson
Scribe [?\]: New Homework Please
Haengma [15k?\]: that was really interesting :)
groove [2k\]: thx
nutcase [1k\]: thx, mingjiu laoshi
nux [24k?\]: thanks
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx - bye
zee [9k\]: Thank you
Jade [22k\]: Thank you
wholeboard [?\]: thank you
armyweiqi [17k\]: 谢谢
rakdver [13k\]: thank you
Yemon [9k\]: thank you very much
offtosea [16k\]: Thanks very much to you and Ing foundation!
janine [12k\]: Thanks!
murky [?\]: thx
guest1001 [?\]: thx
Aikasoneca [12k\]: thanks
evilGOer [?\]: thnx
rzhao [4k\]: thx, bye
Ambivlnce [13k\]: Thank you
cmfoo79 [?\]: thank you
Janez [2k\]: thx
pugh [16k\]: thank you for the lesson
kole [5k\]: thx
capra [8k?\]: thank you
chucha [22k\]: thx
hansili [10k\]: thank you
Klaus [13k\]: thank you too
cirdan [10k\]: thanks
Haengma [15k?\]: thank you thank you! 
hansb [3k?\]: thanks
Kikuchyo [?\]: thx MingJiu
DangoMouse [-\]: thanks
healed [12k?\]: no new homework?
Scribe [?\]: xiexie laoshi
romain [11k?\]: thanks a lot
wingnut [-\]: thx Mingjiu, Scribe, Ing Foundation
Mythal [20k\]: thanks
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
au2 [3k\]: thank you
tibra [14k?\]: thanks
Q [8k\]: thanks, bye
Sting [6k\]: thanks
Lilltiger [12k\]: thanks =)
seidelin [8k\]: thx
healed [12k?\]: thank you
apitoo [4k\]: thx
Haengma [15k?\]: ^^
Haengma [15k?\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: see you next week
pugh [16k\]: bye
Out [17k?\]: 謝謝
Kitahama [?\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
murky [?\]: homework?
Klops [12k\]: tyes
Scribe [?\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
Haengma [15k?\]: yep !
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
guest1001 [?\]: sure
groove [2k\]: yes!!!!!!!!
au2 [3k\]: YES
janine [12k\]: yeah
wholeboard [?\]: great
])))))
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[blue88 [15k\]: lol
agui [7k\]: doesn't matter
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[au2 [3k\]: thanks to wms and kgs - who made this all possible
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[zee [9k\]: homework
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
(;B[pa]CR[pa]C[Haengma [15k?\]: should we solve the left
Haengma [15k?\]: xD
])
(;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[goglu [-\]: ko
cirdan [10k\]: better
blue88 [15k\]: r19
Klaus [13k\]: R19?
goglu [-\]: 3 ways 
]))
(;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[pe]CR[pe]LB[qd:A]C[goglu [-\]: 2ways now
Jade [22k\]: r19?
wingnut [-\]: ok thx :)
herwoo [14k\]: ko again :D
yfh2 [7k?\]: goglu you're just a spoiler :-)
zee [9k\]: B has one liberty at R16
wingnut [-\]: it's homework
goglu [-\]: sorry
hockdoong [9k?\]: u all come here same time every week?
herwoo [14k\]: 3 anser possible :D
zee [9k\]: How many ways for W to attack B
au2 [3k\]: bye
murky [?\]: thank you, MingJiu
healed [12k?\]: see you mingjiu
groove [2k\]: byebye
wholeboard [?\]: bye
wingnut [-\]: bye 
Q [8k\]: thanks, bye
pugh [16k\]: bye
janine [12k\]: See you
agui [7k\]: See you
Klops [12k\]: thx
blue88 [15k\]: cu
Haengma [15k?\]: bye!
tibra [14k?\]: bye
Yemon [9k\]: see you
hansili [10k\]: bye
herwoo [14k\]: bye
romain [11k?\]: thx, bye
cirdan [10k\]: bye
evilGOer [?\]: thnx
blue88 [15k\]: thx
Klops [12k\]: bye
agui [7k\]: Bye
capra [8k?\]: bye
offtosea [16k\]: bye, thanks
nux [24k?\]: bye
chucha [22k\]: thx, bye
Klaus [13k\]: thanks a lot
janine [12k\]: bye
Epimetheus [?\]: bye, thx
Haengma [15k?\]: see you  next week :)
Haengma [15k?\]: and thanks again ^^
rzhao [4k\]: 再见
abbadan [14k?\]: thanks, bye
vince [6k\]: thank you
])))