(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-04-03]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Uvas [-\]: hi
healed [12k?\]: hello
suducodu [?\]: Hello
PAG2 [11k\]: yes
murky [?\]: Hi
tibra [14k?\]: yes
blue88 [15k\]: lo
zviratko [11k?\]: yes
lefuet [9k\]: yes
]
;AW[qn][pp]AB[nq]C[Meccano [16k\]: Fine
kidzzz [15k\]: hello
wingnut [-\]: hi, yes
Jade [22k\]: hi
groove [2k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: Lesson in Basic Shape
suducodu [?\]: Yep
Scribe [?\]: Common shape in nearly every game
healed [12k?\]: yes :)
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
hockdoong [9k?\]: yeah
tibra [14k?\]: sure
vlasac [14k?\]: NEARLY
hate [1d?\]: Im not sure 30k play this so often :>
vlasac [14k?\]: I like old openings
Jade [22k\]: I've seen black play q6 instead sometimes.
Haengma [15k?\]: right
offtosea [16k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: Okay
]
(;B[pr]CR[pr]C[groove [2k\]: yes
DangoMouse [-\]: yes
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Wook [-\]: hate: no, they do their best to find an self atari in the corner :)
Scribe [?\]: first joseki to learn
murky [?\]: At least one star
Jade [22k\]: I learned 3-3 invasion first :/
Uvas [-\]: yes
Arkdragon [14k\]: some people ignore Q 2
Scribe [?\]: normal play is to extend to L3
wingnut [-\]: M4 ?
Scribe [?\]: but black can take sente leaving this position at this time
Scribe [?\]: touch strong stone to make sabaki
groove [2k\]: no :)
wingnut [-\]: stabalise his group?
suducodu [?\]: to get half the corner?
zee [9k\]: base
DangoMouse [-\]: seems strange
blue88 [15k\]: making a base
janine [12k\]: ok
]
(;B[kq]CR[kq]C[blue88 [15k\]: joeseki called kite
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: yep
janine [12k\]: yes
])
(;B[aa]CR[aa]C[vlasac [14k?\]: ach so...
Scribe [?\]: the one space jump at o5 is not playable after white L3
rzhao [4k\]: reduces corner
Scribe [?\]: black q2 (slide) prevents white from taking the entire corner by playing at q2 herself
]
;W[kq]CR[kq]C[goglu [-\]: P4 
blue88 [15k\]: jump out
wingnut [-\]: jump out
hockdoong [9k?\]: jump
hansb [3k?\]: P4
healed [12k?\]: o5
DangoMouse [-\]: p4?
wjzz [9k\]: n4
aditsu [8k?\]: w can play m3 instead of r3
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [?\]: white pincer, taking blacks normal move
groove [2k\]: q2-r3 exchange looks bad
Arkdragon [14k\]: y?
Scribe [?\]: P4 is the only move
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]C[Jade [22k\]: why not p5 for white?
Scribe [?\]: sequence guojuan learned in her childhood
])
(;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[Scribe [?\]: currently a common sequence
wjzz [9k\]: nice shapes :)
]))
(;B[no]CR[no]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[np]CR[np])))
(;B[aa]CR[aa]C[DangoMouse [-\]: ahh =)
wjzz [9k\]: dont touch weak stones
]
(;W[pr]CR[pr]C[Haengma [15k?\]: ok
])
(;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [?\]: M3 will force black to take corner and force white outside
Jade [22k\]: can't black take corner anyways?
Haengma [15k?\]: ok
Scribe [?\]: therefore L3 is the move for whtie
swordsplay [8k\]: q3 then p4?
]
(;B[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [?\]: dangerous move for black the jump
KgsOvPl [4d\]: black has to make tsuke or trade the corner 
]
;W[pr]CR[pr])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[ro]CR[ro]C[Scribe [?\]: takes the corner
])
(;B[pq]CR[pq]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: :)
wingnut [-\]: attach
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [?\]: settles quickly on the bottom
]
;B[qr]CR[qr]C[rzhao [4k\]: i like it
KgsOvPl [4d\]: yeŝ
pugh [16k\]: shares corner
]
(;W[qp]CR[qp]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: normally white atari and sagari
healed [12k?\]: white p3?
haka [-\]: why not black p4 instead of r2
Jade [22k\]: white could also q2?
Scribe [?\]: old joseki
]
;B[or]CR[or]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: white has a choice
])
(;W[oq]CR[oq]C[KgsOvPl [4d\]: P3 P2
scsiduck [19k\]: why not w q2?
kgskgs [1k\]: 您好.
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [?\]: more common at this time
]
;W[op]CR[op]
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[Scribe [?\]: white builds on the right closing black in, must have moyo on right
zee [9k\]: R4 takes corner
Brutha [9k?\]: p2
]
(;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[Scribe [?\]: common for white to make mistakes after black r4
]
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [?\]: big mistake
wingnut [-\]: white has to be carefull here
DangoMouse [-\]: don't need to extend s3?
rzhao [4k\]: weird
])
(;W[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [?\]: Two Common Mistakes: White q6 in place of q5
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rq]CR[rq]C[Scribe [?\]: white q6, white must q5
Haengma [15k?\]: gote
zee [9k\]: modern joseki
]))
(;W[rq]CR[rq]C[DangoMouse [-\]: yeah
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]C[wingnut [-\]: P2 mistake
Scribe [?\]: p2 is a mistake for whtie
]
(;W[or]CR[or]
;B[rr]CR[rr]C[Haengma [15k?\]: ok
]
(;W[ps]CR[ps])
(;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[nr]CR[nr]))
(;W[rr]CR[rr]
(;B[rs]CR[rs]C[Haengma [15k?\]: importan thing to think about but not easy ^^
Scribe [?\]: white must give up one more stone at s2 to neutralize the aji of black o2 descending to o2
]
;W[or]CR[or]C[groove [2k\]: yes
murky [?\]: yes
Haengma [15k?\]: yes
Jade [22k\]: Could black hane at t3 instead?
]
;B[sq]CR[sq]C[Drag0n [8k\]: sente
groove [2k\]: q1 is sente
KgsOvPl [4d\]: yose
]
;W[ps]CR[ps]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
Scribe [?\]: Second common mistake: must play s2 first before p2
Haengma [15k?\]: yep clear
KgsOvPl [4d\]: yes
PAG2 [11k\]: very clear
suducodu [?\]: nope
Levi [11k\]: whats whites next move?
Meccano [16k\]: Crystal clear
Haengma [15k?\]: crystal clear ^^
wholeboard [?\]: clear
Haengma [15k?\]: heyy
Haengma [15k?\]: xD
KgsOvPl [4d\]: S3 if bottom is more important
offtosea [16k\]: clear, will try to remember
Jakobicek [12k\]: clear
groove [2k\]: after l3, can b play q2?
Meccano [16k\]: ^^
romain [11k?\]: clarifying much :p
DangoMouse [-\]: if there's time can you explain the s2 joseki please?
kgskgs [1k\]: 你们谁能看到我说话?
rzhao [4k\]: i can hear u, kgskgs
]
;B[sr]CR[sr])
(;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qo]CR[qo]))))
(;B[or]CR[or]
(;W[rq]CR[rq]C[Scribe [?\]: black can choose the corner or the bottom
]
;B[np]CR[np]C[kgskgs [1k\]: 郭姐姐好.
]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[hq]CR[hq]C[Scribe [?\]: n2 is good timing
]
;B[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [?\]: before making the white base at h3
])
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[Haengma [15k?\]: i like the first one :)
])))))
(;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[kp]CR[kp]C[Scribe [?\]: sequence from guojuan's childhood p3, to incude o4
blue88 [15k\]: kosumi weaker than wall
]
;B[qq]CR[qq])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]C[DangoMouse [-\]: q2
Chalx [6k\]: leaves M3
Scribe [?\]: black two stones are stronger and white corner is still weak after white p3, black o4
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[suducodu [?\]: it's farter?
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Lilltiger [12k\]: not enought presure on black?
Arkdragon [14k\]: to far out?
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[rzhao [4k\]: b can still settle
])
(;W[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [?\]: K3 is too far allows black to make base
Arkdragon [14k\]: black ist thretened'
hansb [3k?\]: M4
Jade [22k\]: n5?
suducodu [?\]: too close?
janine [12k\]: M4 
DangoMouse [-\]: r3?
swordsplay [8k\]: q3?
Arkdragon [14k\]: to close
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[pugh [16k\]: too close
kidzzz [15k\]: q2
Chalx [6k\]: R3 and w overconcentrated
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[ro]CR[ro])))