(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[8.00]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2005-04-10]EV[Ing cup 2005`]RO[4]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Tessa: hi GJ:)
okhna [14k\]: hello
kidzzz [15k\]: hi
murky: hello
gobasso [?\]: hi
Bodo212 [15k\]: hello
Jakobicek [12k\]: hi:)
Uvas [-\]: hi
Reepicheep [10k?\]: hello
Scribe [?\]: Nihao laoshi
musubi [9k\]: morning!!
Lifespace [20k\]: hi
Q [8k\]: hello
poke556 [11k\]: hi
sleeping [18k?\]: hello
Arkdragon [14k\]: morning!
Lifespace [20k\]: good afternoon!
hockdoong [9k?\]: hello guo juan :))
QWerner [18k\]: hallo
juve [23k\]: and evening
agui [7k\]: Hello
ivanho [13k\]: hoi
nutcase [1k\]: haro guo juan laoshi
zee [8k\]: Game by 2 5 dan amas
Scribe [?\]: Game review, two European 6d Amateurs
yashiiro: hi
Gruffalo [-\]: Which players ?
silver2k4 [16k\]: hi
zee [8k\]: European Ing Cup 6 months ago
Scribe [?\]: played in Ing Cup about 3week to one month ago
matis [22k?\]: hello
QWerner [18k\]: ok
murky: cool
agui [7k\]: ok
yashiiro: ok !
poke556 [11k\]: ok
Yoru [20k\]: ok
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: ok k
blue88 [15k\]: what're the names of the players? :)
zee [8k\]: sorry 1 month
bonobo03 [8k?\]: yes
Mokuseki [10k\]: very clear
yashiiro: veryc lear
nutcase [1k\]: lol, negative example
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(;B[pd]C[Scribe [?\]: find mistakes in direction of play, one for each player
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: ok
blue88 [15k\]: 24 incomplete extension?
Scribe [?\]: Direction of Play is important
Gruffalo [-\]: Fan Hui is Europe 8 dan
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;W[dp]C[kidzzz [15k\]: ok
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;B[pq]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: in the whole game?
matis [22k?\]: okie
]
;W[dd]C[hockdoong [9k?\]: ok
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;B[pk]C[nutcase [1k\]: Fan Hui is 2p...
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: n4 is better
nutcase [1k\]: too far lol
Hu [10k\]: K4 more usual?
Karakurom [10k\]: moyo
seidelin [8k\]: moyo building
musubi [9k\]: influence and territory
zee [8k\]: moyo
hansb [4k\]: fighting
Hu [10k\]: Black wants K4.
raikou [6k\]: early territory?
wingnut [-\]: make big moyo..
ligo [8k?\]: flexible
hockdoong [9k?\]: moyo invite fighting
kieran [13k\]: moyo + territory
zee [8k\]: invite W to invade
Agilis [16k\]: make them invade
yashiiro: good between moyo and territory
agui [7k\]: make moyo or attack white invasion
wingnut [-\]: tempt W to invade
ogyalp [3k?\]: invite white to enter at R5 
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(;W[kp]C[AkitoKun [26k?\]: hi
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: n4 for w?
Scribe [?\]: first dhoose purpose goal, then choose the joseki to achieve that goal
Hu [10k\]: Too close?
nutcase [1k\]: N4
nutcase [1k\]: N4?
Jugular [4k\]: n4
]
(;B[po]C[chucha [21k\]: chinese joseki
zee [8k\]: Should make clear what to defend
]
(;W[fq]
;B[jd]C[offtosea [16k\]: r16 instead of q17?
EkinOne [15k\]: so b def while att?
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(;W[qc]C[yashiiro: the sansan seems too early to me
longlong [1k\]: ..........but like this feel w is happy...becz k,16 is weak...
Uvas [-\]: :)
musubi [9k\]: If black invaded C9 where should w play?
QWerner [18k\]: jes
raikou [6k\]: clear
matis [22k?\]: no no not at all :0
EkinOne [15k\]: yes
blueplayer [19k\]: yes
Baga [11k\]: :D
Gruffalo [-\]: clear
okhna [14k\]: clear
ericc [-\]: :)
Bodo212 [15k\]: is clear
ivanho [13k\]: yes
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
charon2012 [13k?\]: it's great
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: clear
chucha [21k\]: yes
gobasso [?\]: yes
silver2k4 [16k\]: clear
olczyk [16k\]: clear
agui [7k\]: ok
nutcase [1k\]: yes, very clear
matis [22k?\]: clear, ok ;)
yashiiro: crystal clear as always ^^
QWerner [18k\]: what is with the small chines fuseki?
Scribe [?\]: san san invasion here is unusual
Lifespace [20k\]: early?
QWerner [18k\]: not good
Scribe [?\]: r14 is expected
Scribe [?\]: from white
wingnut [-\]: yes
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
Jugular [4k\]: yup
agui [7k\]: yes 
musubi [9k\]: yes
Prodigious [15k\]: Yes
animegirl [12k\]: ya :D
GokuWachi [6k\]: yes
Karakurom [10k\]: yes
SandSack [6k\]:  yes
Gruffalo [-\]: Cho Chikun
wingnut [-\]: subway go
Scribe [?\]: yes, taiwanese 
lithogamy [-\]: yes, I have heard of him.
sestir [4k\]: Cho Chikun is famous, yes
Scribe [?\]: went to japan
nutcase [1k\]: Cho Chikun is korean...
hockdoong [9k?\]: shinogi is superb
sestir [4k\]: amashi
Karakurom [10k\]: Korean
olczyk [16k\]: Wrote nice book on counting.
Scribe [?\]: sorry :(
Scribe [?\]: joseki not about better or worse, rather its to choose the appropriate one for the whole board situation
okhna [14k\]: no questions
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: clear
Ameise [9k?\]: yes, who played this game ?
QWerner [18k\]: for me is the joseki not good for w
offtosea [16k\]: any advicee on remembering joseki?
blue88 [15k\]: :'(
spingle [8k?\]: good :)
Scribe [?\]: does not matter
Nezumii [-\]: tell us now!
agui [7k\]: ok
Mokuseki [10k\]: please
Gruffalo [-\]: German player and Dutch you said :-)
bonobo03 [8k?\]: ok
Bodo212 [15k\]: ok
ericc [-\]: :)
Djeki [15k\]: :P
spingle [8k?\]: danoooj :)
juve [23k\]: ok
hockdoong [9k?\]: ok
kieran [13k\]: ok
murky: cool
okhna [14k\]: ok
Djeki [15k\]: go on
Bodo212 [15k\]: ok
ArCosH [4k\]: good players know right direction !
olczyk [16k\]: Get gogod next year and search it.
lithogamy [-\]: sounds good.
Djeki [15k\]: hauuha
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(;B[pc]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: f3?
ferryeva [10k\]: a lot of four line
EkinOne [15k\]: R16
yashiiro: and 11 a bad direction
Scribe [?\]: high moves (fourth line) demand moyo play for consistency and to remain useful
Baga [11k\]: 6dans are wussies
matis [22k?\]: yup
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;W[qd]C[ogyalp [3k?\]: is sansan better then kakari ?
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;B[qe]
;W[re]
;B[qf]C[nutcase [1k\]: b block the wrong side?
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;W[rf]
;B[qg]
;W[pb]C[murky: audio?
yashiiro: san san too early ?
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;B[ob]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: huge moyo
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;W[qb]C[Arturas [3k\]: Mark moves
Arkdragon [14k\]: oh
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;B[nc]C[ligo [8k?\]: i would block other way
EkinOne [15k\]: b is weak on the outside?
nutcase [1k\]: not really, R14 oso playable
Scribe [?\]: r13 and q9 do not work well together
okhna [14k\]: yes
EkinOne [15k\]: yes
raikou [6k\]: yes
QWerner [18k\]: jes
charon2012 [13k?\]: yes!
Mokuseki [10k\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: yes
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: clear
Arkdragon [14k\]: yep
yashiiro: yup
agui [7k\]: yes clear
silver2k4 [16k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: clear
nutcase [1k\]: yes
ligo [8k?\]: y
Scribe [?\]: right side is still open
kieran [13k\]: very clear
lithogamy [-\]: yes
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;W[kj]C[Uvas [-\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: yes
okhna [14k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: yes 
offtosea [16k\]: yes
Ameise [9k?\]: yes
Lifespace [20k\]: yes
ivanho [13k\]: yes
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
yashiiro: right
matis [22k?\]: yup
blueplayer [19k\]: yes
Kamiah [?\]: yes
AkitoKun [26k?\]: black get ggood result?
GokuWachi [6k\]: yes
QWerner [18k\]: jes
musubi [9k\]: yes
EkinOne [15k\]: yes i hear
silver2k4 [16k\]: right
longlong [1k\]: ...but why w move R,17?is mistake?
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: correct joseki.....wrong direcdtion
spingle [8k?\]: c10 larger?
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(;B[cj]TR[cj]C[nutcase [1k\]: loud n clear :)
blue88 [15k\]: lol
offtosea [16k\]: leaves big top
vroy [7k?\]: 25 reduce white moyo
hockdoong [9k?\]: coordination with L10 and L4 stone
olczyk [16k\]: miai?
seku [18k\]: mirrors
yashiiro: yes a sort of
guojuan [5p\]: 1, too see which side is bigger
guojuan [5p\]: block from the wider side
guojuan [5p\]: 2, too see where you have chance to make more territory
QWerner [18k\]: down
Uvas [-\]: bottom
Weasel [6k\]: c8
krneki [9k\]: c8?
murky: lower
agui [7k\]: lower side
EkinOne [15k\]: C8
offtosea [16k\]: lower left
ligo [8k?\]: bottom
Scribe [?\]: white has more potential on the bottom
Jakobicek [12k\]: bottom
raikou [6k\]: C7 or C8
Gruffalo [-\]: bottom left
wingnut [-\]: lower left corner
hansb [4k\]: bottom left
zee [8k\]: from bottom
nutcase [1k\]: C8, lower left area
monchacha [11k\]: c8
chucha [21k\]: down left
musubi [9k\]: C8
chucha [21k\]: c7
Mokuseki [10k\]: c7
Scribe [?\]: lower left is more developable for white
yashiiro: d9 seems a bit  high to me
nutcase [1k\]: D9 not so good
GokuWachi [6k\]: ok
Lifespace [20k\]: will get very messy in middle later
][nutcase [1k\]: loud n clear :)
blue88 [15k\]: lol
offtosea [16k\]: leaves big top
vroy [7k?\]: 25 reduce white moyo
hockdoong [9k?\]: coordination with L10 and L4 stone
olczyk [16k\]: miai?
seku [18k\]: mirrors
yashiiro: yes a sort of
guojuan [5p\]: 1, too see which side is bigger
guojuan [5p\]: block from the wider side
guojuan [5p\]: 2, too see where you have chance to make more territory
QWerner [18k\]: down
Uvas [-\]: bottom
Weasel [6k\]: c8
krneki [9k\]: c8?
murky: lower
agui [7k\]: lower side
EkinOne [15k\]: C8
offtosea [16k\]: lower left
ligo [8k?\]: bottom
Scribe [?\]: white has more potential on the bottom
Jakobicek [12k\]: bottom
raikou [6k\]: C7 or C8
Gruffalo [-\]: bottom left
wingnut [-\]: lower left corner
hansb [4k\]: bottom left
zee [8k\]: from bottom
nutcase [1k\]: C8, lower left area
monchacha [11k\]: c8
chucha [21k\]: down left
musubi [9k\]: C8
chucha [21k\]: c7
Mokuseki [10k\]: c7
Scribe [?\]: lower left is more developable for white
yashiiro: d9 seems a bit  high to me
nutcase [1k\]: D9 not so good
][nutcase [1k\]: loud n clear :)
blue88 [15k\]: lol
offtosea [16k\]: leaves big top
vroy [7k?\]: 25 reduce white moyo
hockdoong [9k?\]: coordination with L10 and L4 stone
olczyk [16k\]: miai?
seku [18k\]: mirrors
yashiiro: yes a sort of
guojuan [5p\]: 1, too see which side is bigger
guojuan [5p\]: block from the wider side
guojuan [5p\]: 2, too see where you have chance to make more territory
QWerner [18k\]: down
Uvas [-\]: bottom
Weasel [6k\]: c8
krneki [9k\]: c8?
murky: lower
agui [7k\]: lower side
EkinOne [15k\]: C8
offtosea [16k\]: lower left
ligo [8k?\]: bottom
Scribe [?\]: white has more potential on the bottom
Jakobicek [12k\]: bottom
raikou [6k\]: C7 or C8
Gruffalo [-\]: bottom left
wingnut [-\]: lower left corner
hansb [4k\]: bottom left
zee [8k\]: from bottom
nutcase [1k\]: C8, lower left area
monchacha [11k\]: c8
chucha [21k\]: down left
musubi [9k\]: C8
chucha [21k\]: c7
Mokuseki [10k\]: c7
Scribe [?\]: lower left is more developable for white
yashiiro: d9 seems a bit  high to me
nutcase [1k\]: D9 not so good
][nutcase [1k\]: loud n clear :)
blue88 [15k\]: lol
offtosea [16k\]: leaves big top
vroy [7k?\]: 25 reduce white moyo
hockdoong [9k?\]: coordination with L10 and L4 stone
olczyk [16k\]: miai?
seku [18k\]: mirrors
yashiiro: yes a sort of
guojuan [5p\]: 1, too see which side is bigger
guojuan [5p\]: block from the wider side
guojuan [5p\]: 2, too see where you have chance to make more territory
QWerner [18k\]: down
Uvas [-\]: bottom
Weasel [6k\]: c8
krneki [9k\]: c8?
murky: lower
agui [7k\]: lower side
EkinOne [15k\]: C8
offtosea [16k\]: lower left
ligo [8k?\]: bottom
Scribe [?\]: white has more potential on the bottom
Jakobicek [12k\]: bottom
raikou [6k\]: C7 or C8
Gruffalo [-\]: bottom left
wingnut [-\]: lower left corner
hansb [4k\]: bottom left
zee [8k\]: from bottom
nutcase [1k\]: C8, lower left area
monchacha [11k\]: c8
chucha [21k\]: down left
musubi [9k\]: C8
chucha [21k\]: c7
Mokuseki [10k\]: c7
Scribe [?\]: lower left is more developable for white
yashiiro: d9 seems a bit  high to me
nutcase [1k\]: D9 not so good
][nutcase [1k\]: loud n clear :)
blue88 [15k\]: lol
offtosea [16k\]: leaves big top
vroy [7k?\]: 25 reduce white moyo
hockdoong [9k?\]: coordination with L10 and L4 stone
olczyk [16k\]: miai?
seku [18k\]: mirrors
yashiiro: yes a sort of
guojuan [5p\]: 1, too see which side is bigger
guojuan [5p\]: block from the wider side
guojuan [5p\]: 2, too see where you have chance to make more territory
QWerner [18k\]: down
Uvas [-\]: bottom
Weasel [6k\]: c8
krneki [9k\]: c8?
murky: lower
agui [7k\]: lower side
EkinOne [15k\]: C8
offtosea [16k\]: lower left
ligo [8k?\]: bottom
Scribe [?\]: white has more potential on the bottom
Jakobicek [12k\]: bottom
raikou [6k\]: C7 or C8
Gruffalo [-\]: bottom left
wingnut [-\]: lower left corner
hansb [4k\]: bottom left
zee [8k\]: from bottom
nutcase [1k\]: C8, lower left area
monchacha [11k\]: c8
chucha [21k\]: down left
musubi [9k\]: C8
chucha [21k\]: c7
Mokuseki [10k\]: c7
Scribe [?\]: lower left is more developable for white
yashiiro: d9 seems a bit  high to me
nutcase [1k\]: D9 not so good
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(;W[cf]C[Gruffalo [-\]: Did black block in the right direction ?
Arkdragon [14k\]: r 17 at c10 instead!
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;W[co]C[GokuWachi [6k\]: you can devolp much in that direction
olczyk [16k\]: But a clear mind does not work with my "paniced" style.
zee [8k\]: They are making mistakes globally
EkinOne [15k\]: LOL
matis [22k?\]: hehehe ;)
zee [8k\]: Review your own games later with an eye toward improving moves
nutcase [1k\]: lol
ArCosH [4k\]: after my games normally i hate go
seku [18k\]: *recognizes himself* :P
matis [22k?\]: :>
nutcase [1k\]: oh i could haf kill him :)
Lifespace [20k\]: how to think about global vs. local?
Hu [10k\]: Look for strategic mistakes.
Scribe [?\]: When reviewing your own games, look for errors in direction of play...one or two per game is enough
Scribe [?\]: use tsumego for getting stronger in fighting
olczyk [16k\]: What kind of questions should we ask to see mistakes in direction ( when reviewing )?
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;B[fc]C[Scribe [?\]: Did Black block on the wrong side?  If not, why is this correct ?
murky: L10 a problem for w?
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;W[db]C[Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
nutcase [1k\]: w shd C8 here
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;B[mq]LB[db:28][ob:19][pb:18][qb:20][fc:27][nc:21][pc:11][qc:10][dd:4][jd:9][pd:1][qd:12][qe:13][re:14][cf:24][qf:15][rf:16][qg:17][cj:23][kj:22][pk:5][cm:25][co:26][po:7][dp:2][kp:6][fq:8][mq:29][pq:3]C[Arturas [3k\]: Mark last moves please
Uvas [-\]: hiya scribe
Scribe [?\]: hello
nutcase [1k\]: oh, C14 oso wrong direction
QWerner [18k\]: c 5 ?
hansb [4k\]: Q17 and C14
Gruffalo [-\]: C14 for white 
ligo [8k?\]: i dont like moves 11 and 22
EkinOne [15k\]: yu[
musubi [9k\]: agree
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
EkinOne [15k\]: yup
spingle [8k?\]: yeah
Ameise [9k?\]: Q17 is strange
kole [5k\]: locally alright
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes agree
nutcase [1k\]: yeah
silver2k4 [16k\]: yes
hockdoong [9k?\]: local yes
nutcase [1k\]: oni minor mistakes
Gruffalo [-\]: Q17 and C14 wrong direction.
au2 [2k\]: was w R17 the best ?
cmfoo79 [13k\]: L4
DangoMouse [-\]: 10 and 11
ogyalp [3k?\]: sansan invasion was too soon imho
Arkdragon [14k\]: 10
yashiiro: sansan is too early ?
blueplayer [19k\]: 10 for white
Karakurom [10k\]: 11
offtosea [16k\]: 11 wrong
Weasel [6k\]: 11 and 22
Ameise [9k?\]: 11
yashiiro: 10
Gruffalo [-\]: 11 and 24
kieran [13k\]: 11
EkinOne [15k\]: 11
hansb [4k\]: 11 and 24
nutcase [1k\]: black 11 and white 24
GokuWachi [6k\]: 29
JoePatzer [?\]: B:q17 W: d14 11 24
Arkdragon [14k\]: 10!
Badduck [5d\]: 11
agui [7k\]: White 8 and black 11
QWerner [18k\]: 24
zee [8k\]: 11
chucha [21k\]: 10
ferryeva [10k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: 22
hockdoong [9k?\]: 11, 24
ligo [8k?\]: 11 at 12
vroy [7k?\]: 11 24
Ambivlnce [13k\]: 11 and 26
Djeki [15k\]: 10 and 11
raikou [6k\]: 11 & 24
Mokuseki [10k\]: 11
CF [7k?\]: 11,24
ogyalp [3k?\]: 10
yashiiro: maybe 6  too
longlong [1k\]: 24
nutcase [1k\]: hockdoong, u copycat
Batavia [15k\]: 1 & 26
Batavia [15k\]: 11 & 26
longlong [1k\]: 24
Gruffalo [-\]: I am sure they are better than us in fighting :-)
offtosea [16k\]: ha ha
matis [22k?\]: heheh
agui [7k\]: right !
offtosea [16k\]: we all make mistakes
yashiiro: yes
ArCosH [4k\]: is european 6d top ??
blue88 [15k\]: yes
longlong [1k\]: why 24?
kole [5k\]: be confident
AkitoKun [26k?\]: =)
nutcase [1k\]: C8 side bigger
ivanho [13k\]: 11 and 24 ?
Karakurom [10k\]: audio?
sestir [4k\]: european ranks are 1d-7d (no 8d exists)
blue88 [15k\]: 24 too fearful
hockdoong [9k?\]: C8
Gruffalo [-\]: white seems to have more potential at bottom
Lifespace [20k\]: too small
yashiiro: too little
blue88 [15k\]: dont make incomplete extensions :)
EkinOne [15k\]: too small
Karakurom [10k\]: too small
musubi [9k\]: moyo for white is bottom
hockdoong [9k?\]: c8 builds box
ivanho [13k\]: 24 can be 1 space further from the hoshi??
seidelin [8k\]: builts no moyo
lithogamy [-\]: too passive?
QWerner [18k\]: to near to d1
Arkdragon [14k\]: 1 point closer
offtosea [16k\]: wrong direction
nutcase [1k\]: w forget L4 there
spingle [8k?\]: breqaks the framework that f3 tries to build
Arkdragon [14k\]: is better
Batavia [15k\]: you can put it at C13?
kieran [13k\]: 24 is wrong side, doesn't work with L10 well
Weasel [6k\]:  24 25 are miai
Badduck [5d\]: hm one wants a stone at f17
Scribe [?\]: white has greater potential on the bottom, yet played from the top
CF [7k?\]: making two extensions from 2 is bigger
hansb [4k\]: bottom is bigger
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;W[ig]
;B[nd]
;W[jg]
;B[mc]
;W[ph]
;B[nk])
(;W[cl]CR[cl]C[GokuWachi [6k\]: is d9 playable?
zee [8k\]: C8 makes more territory potential
zee [8k\]: 3, block from weaker side and push towad the stronger side
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [?\]: d9 touches weak black stone, will strengthen black unnecessarily
]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[el]CR[el]C[yashiiro: great
yashiiro: clear
EkinOne [15k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: clear
Djeki [15k\]: yeah good
lithogamy [-\]: clear
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
raikou [6k\]: clear
chucha [21k\]: yes
poke556 [11k\]: yes
silver2k4 [16k\]: yes
charon2012 [13k?\]: yes
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes. clear. :)
hansb [4k\]: C3 possible?
nutcase [1k\]: yes, clear :)
]))
(;B[]
;W[dj]CR[dj]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]TR[pe][pf][pg][ph][pi][pj]C[nutcase [1k\]: this side is broader
wingnut [-\]: wider side
offtosea [16k\]: more potential for black
hansb [4k\]: = larger side
ogyalp [3k?\]: right side bigger
DangoMouse [-\]: it's wider
seidelin [8k\]: right side bigger
Uvas [-\]: helps moyo
agui [7k\]: right is bigger
spingle [8k?\]: large framework
hockdoong [9k?\]: Q9
zee [8k\]: wider
chucha [21k\]: to build a wall
nutcase [1k\]: more potential
ivanho [13k\]: q 9 is further away from the wall
Bodo212 [15k\]: fine BOX
EkinOne [15k\]: build bigger moyo?
Jakobicek [12k\]: wider extension
musubi [9k\]: bigger moyo
Gruffalo [-\]: right is bigger
hockdoong [9k?\]: efficient?
ligo [8k?\]: bigger on R thean top
spingle [8k?\]: but waht about the invasion?
Djeki [15k\]: because it is seeing to black pieces
AkitoKun [26k?\]: a bit bigger..
nutcase [1k\]: 3D
yashiiro: it will strengen K16
DangoMouse [-\]: top side is smaller =)
juve [23k\]: bigger extension
AkitoKun [26k?\]: expand K16?
okhna [14k\]: chinese openning?
kole [5k\]: q9
wingnut [-\]: squash W in smaller space ?
Klops [12k\]: k16 is weaker
ogyalp [3k?\]: Q9 is further then K16 
QWerner [18k\]: q9 
ivanho [13k\]: to stop white from invading later ??
Karakurom [10k\]: q5
chucha [21k\]: k16?
zee [8k\]: moyo for the chinese fuseki?
kieran [13k\]: gap to Q9 bigger than gap to K16 
EkinOne [15k\]: K16 stone
Scribe [?\]: First Direction of Play Error...Block at r16 in place of q17 1. Right side is bigger 2. makes black stones useful
sestir [4k\]: K16 is too close to the wall
Hu [10k\]: This side faces B, other way faces W.
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: more center influent?
agui [7k\]: to build moyo in the center and right
ArCosH [4k\]: q9 better than k16 for a wall
nutcase [1k\]: major direction of chinese style...
wingnut [-\]: so what was the correct 2nd reason? 
yashiiro: i can do that ! 
yashiiro: lol
Scribe [?\]: 6 > 5
yashiiro: ^^
nutcase [1k\]: here, 6 lines in between
nutcase [1k\]: top oni 5 lines
hockdoong [9k?\]: then surely a 6d can see this???
EkinOne [15k\]: lol
EkinOne [15k\]: LOL
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[Uvas [-\]: ok
Grimley [8k\]: lol
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]TR[pd][qd]C[Lifespace [20k\]: ya
agui [7k\]: yes
ericc [-\]: ok
blueplayer [19k\]: yes
QWerner [18k\]: jes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes thx
kieran [13k\]: yes
chucha [21k\]: yes
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[nutcase [1k\]: maybe they r experimenting :)
tsunami [1d\]: (who are the players plz ?)
okhna [14k\]: yes
Jugular [4k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: o rissei his student is taiwan :)
EkinOne [15k\]: the waterfall one
kieran [13k\]: yes
])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[wingnut [-\]: yes
GokuWachi [6k\]: no
nutcase [1k\]: nope, O Rissei is student of Go Seigen
QWerner [18k\]: no
musubi [9k\]: yes
Jugular [4k\]: no
hansb [4k\]: yes
blueplayer [19k\]: yes
ChoK [6k?\]: to take sente?
EkinOne [15k\]: no
seku [18k\]: no
poke556 [11k\]: o rissei is lin haifeng's student
Djeki [15k\]: yes
silver2k4 [16k\]: no
Tessa: no
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Weasel [6k\]: yes
Gruffalo [-\]: yes, to take sente
kieran [13k\]: no
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: no
chucha [21k\]: no
hockdoong [9k?\]: recently 
kivirch [2k\]: i have seen, but dont understand
longlong [1k\]: no
hansb [4k\]: to get sente
Lifespace [20k\]: less confrontational
Badduck [5d\]: sente
nutcase [1k\]: hmm
wingnut [-\]: faster
Gruffalo [-\]: take sente
Lifespace [20k\]: thinking ahead
EkinOne [15k\]: try to kill w?
ChoK [6k?\]: black wants sente
nutcase [1k\]: yep, get sente
animegirl [12k\]: ohh
Scribe [?\]: sente at cost of slightly larger white corner
Lifespace [20k\]: like casting a net
nutcase [1k\]: lol
Djeki [15k\]: huauha
Lifespace [20k\]: go to game room!
QWerner [18k\]: :o)
musubi [9k\]: =)
kole [5k\]: b also s17 ?
Scribe [?\]: only two black stones on a line, cut cut becomes dangerous, three stones in a row (p16-r16) can survive the cut cut
]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[poke556 [11k\]: :) how sweet
EkinOne [15k\]: go find some other fishes :)
nutcase [1k\]: b tenuki
EkinOne [15k\]: p18 possible?
]
(;B[]C[Scribe [?\]: black may tenuki
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Jugular [4k\]: what happens with p16?
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Lifespace [20k\]: p18, maybe?
Scribe [?\]: very important!
]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Gruffalo [-\]: corner too small
]
;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]TR[od][pd][qd]C[hansb [4k\]: S14 does not work any more
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[rf]CR[rf]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Lifespace [20k\]: same as before
Scribe [?\]: reverts to most common 
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]))))
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [?\]: Normal
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [?\]: L4  a little strange.  Not close to black, does not pressure, not far enough away to work well with d3
Scribe [?\]: d4
nutcase [1k\]: M17
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[longlong [1k\]: R,14 move in O,16?
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cn]CR[cn])
(;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[hk]CR[hk]
;W[kj]CR[kj])))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[wingnut [-\]: yes
EkinOne [15k\]: yes
musubi [9k\]: yes
zee [8k\]: W need nt defend L4 here due to space
Yoru [20k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]:  High Chinese....make it as big as possible (2 dimensional, not flat), force white to invade
raikou [6k\]: yes, clear
silver2k4 [16k\]: yeah
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes :0
agui [7k\]: Yes very very clear
lithogamy [-\]: ye
Kamiah [?\]: good
ivanho [13k\]: very clear thak you
]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[np]CR[np]))
(;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[po]CR[po]
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[QWerner [18k\]: :o)
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[jp]CR[jp]))
(;W[nq]CR[nq])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[nc]CR[nc])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[jp]CR[jp]LB[qi:A][qm:B]TR[pk]C[hansb [4k\]: takeaway chines fuseki?!
zee [8k\]: This way B is flat on right
zee [8k\]: Q9 is in a bad position
QWerner [18k\]: miai
Ahmetti [?\]: yup
Lifespace [20k\]: got it
hockdoong [9k?\]: yes
musubi [9k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes Got it
Scribe [?\]: Q9 should be at r8 solidly defend one sie
Scribe [?\]: side
nutcase [1k\]: nice explaination
][hansb [4k\]: takeaway chines fuseki?!
zee [8k\]: This way B is flat on right
]))
(;AW[cc][bd][rd][cf][ef][qf][qi]AB[nc][qc][dd][fd][id][pd]TR[nc][qc][dd][fd][pd]C[blue88 [15k\]: ippoji
yashiiro: yes
matis [22k?\]: sure
agui [7k\]: yes
kole [5k\]: k16 not good
Lifespace [20k\]: ya its inefficient
Lifespace [20k\]: ya
Arkdragon [14k\]: how to deffend then?
EkinOne [15k\]: so defend on one side n fight another side?
AkitoKun [26k?\]: anyone wanna play a game with me?
nutcase [1k\]: the whole structure is too low...
Hu [10k\]: Let the teacher teach, AkitoKun.
musubi [9k\]: very clear
Hu [10k\]: This is not the place to ask for games, AkitoKun.
gobasso [?\]: yes
chucha [21k\]: yes
EkinOne [15k\]: yes
lithogamy [-\]: yes
blueplayer [19k\]: yes
QuanSiMenh [11k\]: yes
QWerner [18k\]: jes
Bodo212 [15k\]: clear
GokuWachi [6k\]: yes
kidzzz [15k\]: ýe
yashiiro: yes
ivanho [13k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: ok very clear, thanks
Yoru [20k\]: yes
juve [23k\]: clear
Arkdragon [14k\]: yes
Gruffalo [-\]: great explanation !
][blue88 [15k\]: ippoji
yashiiro: yes
matis [22k?\]: sure
agui [7k\]: yes
kole [5k\]: k16 not good
Lifespace [20k\]: ya its inefficient
Lifespace [20k\]: ya
Arkdragon [14k\]: how to deffend then?
][blue88 [15k\]: ippoji
yashiiro: yes
matis [22k?\]: sure
agui [7k\]: yes
kole [5k\]: k16 not good
Lifespace [20k\]: ya its inefficient
Lifespace [20k\]: ya
Arkdragon [14k\]: how to deffend then?
])
(;AB[pd][pj]
(;B[qg]CR[qg])
(;B[qf]CR[qf])))