(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[snappy]PB[inski]WR[9k]BR[9k]DT[2005-04-15]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[so]CR[so]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[gn]CR[gn]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[hn]CR[hn]
;B[io]CR[io]LB[dh:A][di:B][dk:C]C[snip [8k\]: here
guojuan [5p\]: Ok
guojuan [5p\]: this is difference
guojuan [5p\]: if white can make territory in the center with thickness
guojuan [5p\]: it is good because white is so big
guojuan [5p\]: where there is nothing to attack
guojuan [5p\]: A is a good point
guojuan [5p\]: B also ok
guojuan [5p\]: C is too close to the thickness
snip [8k\]: ok
guojuan [5p\]: I will use this one
guojuan [5p\]: for tomorrow
snip [8k\]: :-)
guojuan [5p\]: good one
snip [8k\]: thanks
snip [8k\]: I beat a 4k
snip [8k\]: enjoyed that
guojuan [5p\]: wow
guojuan [5p\]: really
guojuan [5p\]: very good :)
snip [8k\]: want to see it?
guojuan [5p\]: yup
snip [8k\]: or do you want to go to bed?  ☺
guojuan [5p\]: just a second
guojuan [5p\]: I save this one first

okhna [14k\]: hello
Hu [10k\]: Hello
gobasso [?\]: hi
KOCMOC [10k\]: hi
smudge [11k?\]: Hi
Ersatz888 [15k\]: hi
kidzzz [15k\]: hi
meesterrob [15k\]: hello
agui [7k\]: Hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello 
Brutha [-\]: hi
hockdoong [10k?\]: hi!
murky: hello
Nikos [18k\]: hi
MeiLing: hi
GothamST [?\]: hi
smuin [?\]: hi
ibo2go [15k\]: hello
suducodu [?\]: hi
Jakobicek [12k\]: good sound hi
hockdoong [10k?\]: fine thank you
Ekei [11k\]: hi
suducodu [?\]: good
franzush [11k\]: hello!
ferryeva [10k\]: hi
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: great
ivanho [12k\]: hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: hear very clear
tibra [13k?\]: hello
Hu [10k\]: Here is mingjiu.
KOCMOC [10k\]: i see him
Uvas [-\]: yes
Hu [10k\]: True, his account may be here, but there may not be a person behind it ^^
forbeson [13k\]: yes
Hu [10k\]: Ah, seems like the account responds ^^
MeiLing: maybe try later
Hu [10k\]: In the room.
forbeson [13k\]: i am forbeson
wingnut [-\]:  Scribe is not going to be here to transcribe the Ing lectures today, so if some others would like to help do that it would be greatly appreciated.
Hu [10k\]: He is responding in the room, not here.
murky: Where is Zee?
murky: Zee is out scribe
murky: our
Uvas [-\]: zee for scribe!
MeiLing: ok
zee [8k\]: I just try to help
velobici [11k?\]: Scribe is here...change of personal plans results in me being here
zee [8k\]: dunno where scribe is
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
ivanho [12k\]: yes
gobasso [?\]: yes
Jakobicek [12k\]: yup
tibra [13k?\]: yes
kimba [7k\]: yup
forbeson [13k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Here I am ;)
Uvas [-\]: yay
Scribe [?\]: There is nothing for White to attack in this game
]
(;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [?\]: This is the best way to use the thickness
swilks [7k\]: isn't a white s8 very dangerous for black?
zee [8k\]: D11 is  best
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[gk]CR[gk]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[aj]CR[aj]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[sj]CR[sj]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[sl]CR[sl]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[be]CR[be])
(;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Nikos [18k\]: black here has too much territory?
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[ei]CR[ei]C[wingnut [-\]: ahh ok
])
(;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[zee [8k\]: If thickness is big and where there is nothing to attack, then why not make territoty
]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[em]CR[em])
(;W[ch]CR[ch]LB[cc:A]C[Nikos [18k\]: yes
Ersatz888 [15k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: C12 can result in large side for White, Black needs to defend in the corner at c17
zee [8k\]: C12 possible because B has to defend corner
wingnut [-\]: exceptions
poke556 [10k\]: yes
okhna [14k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
ivanho [12k\]: yes
tibra [13k?\]: yes
MeiLing: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: clear
hockdoong [10k?\]: yes
Jakobicek [12k\]: yup
Brutha [-\]: yes
kimba [7k\]: just like in real life
suducodu [?\]: Uh huh
forbeson [13k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: The principles are heuristics, not laws to be followed blindly
Uvas [-\]: ok
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[eh]CR[eh]))