(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-04-17]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[rohff2813 [6k\]: hi
QWerner [18k\]: Hallo
Scribe [?\]: Nihao Laoshi
agui [7k\]: Hello
Brutha [-\]: hi
ivanho [12k\]: hello
kidzzz [15k\]: hello
Jakobicek [12k\]: hi
murky: Hi
Bodo212 [14k\]: hell
zee [8k\]: hello
Nikos [18k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: we can hear you
krneki [9k\]: hallo
blue88 [15k\]: hello :)
Tjalveboy [12k\]: hi
gobasso [?\]: hi
GothamST [?\]: hi
smuin [?\]: hello
Uvas [-\]: hi
Pento [15k\]: yes
Nikos [18k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: yes we cna
GothamST [?\]: yes
hockdoong [10k?\]: yes
ivanho [12k\]: yes
isshoni [13k\]: hello
gobasso [?\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: can
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
rohff2813 [6k\]: yeah
ibo2go [15k\]: hello
poke556 [10k\]: yes
Wook [-\]: hi there...:)
QuanSiMenh [10k\]: clear n loud
kimba [7k\]: hello
Hu [10k\]: Maybe get better students? ^^
nutcase [1k\]: thx, nice lesson :)
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[abbadan [?\]: hi 
Wook [-\]: lol hu
troll [2k\]: my speakers are at 100%, not very loud
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[le]CR[le]C[Scribe [?\]: Joseki pattern
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [?\]: standard, well known
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[ted [19k?\]: not very loud...
Pempu [2k\]: turn up uoir volume
Wook [-\]: ted turn uo your speaker :))
Scribe [?\]: when playing a moyo game this joseki is used often
Scribe [?\]: by White
ted [19k?\]: its at max - guo juan was louder
Grimley [8k\]: :)
murky: Good
isshoni [13k\]: agree with ted
Wook [-\]: ted my speakers are at 25%...very clear / loud
])
(;W[dp]CR[dp]C[ted [19k?\]: yeah, but I record it so I wonder how it wil be recorded
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Wook [-\]: buy better speakers :)
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[bp]CR[bp]C[Brutha [-\]: or regulate system sound
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[QuanSiMenh [10k\]: yeah, buy a better one, loud here, 10%
Hu [10k\]: Don't wonder, use recording level meters.
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[PaperTiger [12k\]: The issue is loudness of voice vs loudnes of stones, but probably best not to discuss it now.
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[id]CR[id]C[troll [2k\]: if someone sends me an icq mess, i'll find them in the garden
Wook [-\]: get a hearing aid from your doctor
olczyk [16k\]: guojuan is always loader than mingjui because mingjui is higher rank. Guojaun has to speak louder to get the same authority.
Scribe [?\]: black must fix with g15, white gets to enter moyo
]
(;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[he]CR[he]C[isshoni [13k\]: lol
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[ted [19k?\]: speakers ok - can hear, but recording is at max system level and its quiet
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[me]CR[me]C[blue88 [15k\]: h16???
blue88 [15k\]: first?
]
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Jakobicek [12k\]: oh very funny olczyk....
zee [8k\]: W made a mistake here
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[MeiLing: moyo
])
(;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Scribe [?\]: In order to attack f17 white has made a number of bad exchanges, black got strong outside while white was sealed inside
]
;W[fd]TR[fc][fd][gd][ge][gf][hf]C[Scribe [?\]: Result is good for Black
zee [8k\]: W cannot kill marked stone
zee [8k\]: B can live in corner
Scribe [?\]: Black f17 can not be killed by White, black will take corner at c17
Brutha [-\]: isn't it ko in the corner?
swilks [7k\]: should black try to live in the corner immediately?
zee [8k\]: B played outside - result good for B
Brutha [-\]: q10
krneki [9k\]: q10
zee [8k\]: Now where should B play?
goglu [-\]: Q10 
GothamST [?\]: q10
ibo2go [15k\]: Q10?
Tjalveboy [12k\]: yeah, middle of right side
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: use outside strenght first
franzush [11k\]: m4
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[isshoni [13k\]: L5?
]))
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[suducodu [?\]: Yes
zee [8k\]: allows sente at M16
]
(;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[hb]CR[hb]C[Scribe [?\]: white should choose this joseki instead
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[zee [8k\]: better choice of joseki for W
])
(;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [?\]: white takes sente and breaks up the right side
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
(;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[zee [8k\]: B has to G15
])
(;B[me]CR[me]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Scribe [?\]: reverts to previous joseki, but here white gets sente
]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Scribe [?\]: many cutting points in black shape
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]TR[fb][ec]C[Scribe [?\]: Difference: the white e17 stone
Scribe [?\]: prevents black from living in the corner
])))
(;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[krneki [9k\]: q10
Brutha [-\]: q10
]
(;B[pj]CR[pj]TR[nq]C[zee [8k\]: common move
zee [8k\]: Q10
Nikos [18k\]: C17 ?
Uvas [-\]: ??
ivanho [12k\]: M
Lilltiger [11k\]: k14 for shape?
zee [8k\]: but it is wrong here
Scribe [?\]: q10 is wrong for black in this situation
ivanho [12k\]: M4 for bigger moyo?
agui [7k\]: f14
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]C[ibo2go [15k\]: is q8 better?
zee [8k\]: p5 is a good point for W
Scribe [?\]: because of white o3, black q10 is bad
Tjalveboy [12k\]: yes
QWerner [18k\]: es
gobasso [?\]: yes
TonyTiger [5k\]: yeah
MeiLing: yep
pugh [15k\]: yes yhanks
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
Scribe [?\]: otherwise black q10 is often a good point to play
suducodu [?\]: yep
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
juve [21k\]: yes
kimba [7k\]: yup
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [?\]: white p5 will flatten the moyo
]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]TR[pj]C[blue88 [15k\]: wasted
Tjalveboy [12k\]: too solid
swilks [7k\]: too close
suducodu [?\]: Too concentrated?
kimba [7k\]: too close
QWerner [18k\]: to near
MeiLing: heavy
isshoni [13k\]: too close
Scribe [?\]: white is building a moyo of her own on the bottom
zee [8k\]: Q10 in wrong place now
rzhao [4k\]: ineffiecient
Jakobicek [12k\]: black overcentrated
]
(;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
(;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[rp]CR[rp]C[Scribe [?\]: white can still invade the corner
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[ps]CR[ps]
;W[or]CR[or]C[zee [8k\]: W can invade corner
]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[op]CR[op])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]))
(;W[re]CR[re]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [?\]: very hard for black to kill this white
])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pc]CR[pc])
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qh]CR[qh]))))
(;B[pk]CR[pk])
(;B[pi]CR[pi]
(;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]TR[pj]C[Scribe [?\]: Better for black to play at q11
Scribe [?\]: now black is not overcentrated
])
(;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[nj]CR[nj]C[Scribe [?\]: white r9 is not a problem for black, black will attack white
])))))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [?\]: Different game
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[zee [8k\]: this is OK
edlee [10k\]: In this joseki, does it matter the order of White L17 and M16 ?
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [?\]: this joseki is moyo oriented, works well with black d4
ivanho [12k\]: simply d17
Scribe [?\]: white g17 prepares corner invasion of c17 or side play of c14
zee [8k\]: W can invade at C17 later or C14
ntk: lol noob
MeiLing: ok
]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]LB[cc:A][cf:B]C[suducodu [?\]: derek is not
suducodu [?\]:  fun
suducodu [?\]: Sorry, i pr
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[suducodu [?\]: Very bad
])
(;B[]
(;W[fe]CR[fe])
(;W[ee]CR[ee]))
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[agui [7k\]: ok  thanks
]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Tjalveboy [12k\]: did he?
]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]C[tsunami [1d\]: r17
MeiLing: for sure
tsunami [1d\]: s16
kole [5k\]: s16 ?
zee [8k\]: How can B live in corner
agui [7k\]: s16
Tjalveboy [12k\]: Q16
]
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [?\]: Black will live in the corner
pugh [15k\]: q18
Grimley [8k\]: q18 dies?
Scribe [?\]: black s16 moves in most open direction
]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Tjalveboy [12k\]: Q18 of course
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[Scribe [?\]: balck must not play t16
]
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[oc]CR[oc])
(;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[sb]CR[sb]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[rf]CR[rf]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[tsunami [1d\]: s16
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[zee [8k\]: now B dies
]
;W[re]CR[re]C[zee [8k\]: R18 is bad
]))
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Tjalveboy [12k\]: what about S19 after that=
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Tjalveboy [12k\]: sorry
]))
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[qe]CR[qe])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[zee [8k\]: B can live
agui [7k\]: yes
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Tjalveboy [12k\]: that was way earlier
]))
(;B[sc]CR[sc]))))
(;W[fc]CR[fc]LB[cc:A][cf:B]TR[dd]C[zee [8k\]: W should G17
Scribe [?\]: this white (f17) is wrong
akew [22k\]: g18
murky: you showed this before
spingle [8k?\]: bj18?
Scribe [?\]: joseki is white g17
kimba [7k\]: g18
ligo [8k?\]: j17
Scribe [?\]: after white f17, black h16 is sente, builds influence even more
suducodu [?\]: Sorry I pressed enter
kimba [7k\]: ok
TonyTiger [5k\]: Yeah
QWerner [18k\]: jes
murky: clear
MeiLing: ok!
swilks [7k\]: yes.
agui [7k\]: yes very clear
TonyTiger [5k\]: Crystal clear
ntk: indeed!!!11eleven
ibo2go [15k\]: yes
pugh [15k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: in this situation, black should play d10?
nutcase [1k\]: clear... G17 sure better
goglu [-\]: Is F17 not playable at all ?
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[blue88 [15k\]: now b can block in sente?
QWerner [18k\]: h16
]
;W[]C[Scribe [?\]: if black defends at d17 there is no good continuation for black with white g17
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[Scribe [?\]: but with white f17 black can play g18....severe
Jakobicek [12k\]: yup
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[agui [7k\]: yes
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[hb]CR[hb])
(;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[gc]CR[gc])
(;B[]
(;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ee]CR[ee]C[zee [8k\]: In joseki, W can e15 or f15 to run out
]
;B[gc]CR[gc])
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [?\]: white builds blacks moyo
]
;B[hf]CR[hf]))
(;W[ee]CR[ee]))
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Scribe [?\]: this white shape is too loose
])
(;B[di]CR[di])))
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [?\]: second white needs to play g17 not f17
]
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[zee [8k\]: because B can still live in the corner
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[zee [8k\]: W cannot play n15 immediately
]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[swilks [7k\]: in this position, shouldwhite play on lower side first rather than in upper right corner?
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[goglu [-\]: what if white plays C10 instead of G17 ?
agui [7k\]: very nice
MeiLing: no thats ok
ntk: can you say something in chinese?
MeiLing: lol
shenglong [10k\]: kick ntk
ntk: :)
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [?\]: this ko is too heavy for white, white made a lot of moves here already
zee [8k\]: This ko too heavy for W
]
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[zee [8k\]: B needs to make a ko
])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: better to go into corner or take K10?
]))
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[re]CR[re]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[oc]CR[oc])))
(;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[jh]CR[jh]))
(;W[dj]CR[dj]C[swilks [7k\]: yes
goglu [-\]: C10
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[DrGoPlayer [5k\]: he thinks you are not chinese  :-)
npk196 [13k\]: C10
]
;W[hb]CR[hb]C[goglu [-\]: ok
npk196 [13k\]: can B kill W?
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [?\]: tenuki by white in place of g17 is uncomfortable for white because black gets the sente move of g17
Scribe [?\]: when black in stronger on outside can use n18 to attack white
])
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[dj]CR[dj])
(;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [?\]: Summary: white can not play n5 immediately, because black can live in the corner
]))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [?\]: If white kicks after black L16, black will need to play n15 to 
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
(;B[me]CR[me])
(;B[ge]CR[ge]C[zee [8k\]: Here B should N15
]
;W[me]CR[me]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[Scribe [?\]: better for black to play at L17
Scribe [?\]: after the white kick
guojuan [5p\]: I am here 
guojuan [5p\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: thank you.
ntk: hello
QWerner [18k\]: homeork_o)
TonyTiger [5k\]: Say something in chinese please :)
ivanho [12k\]: thank you
smuin [?\]: thank u
QWerner [18k\]: homework:o)
golawyer2 [6k?\]: thanks coach
gobasso [?\]: thank you
evilGOer [21k\]: thanks
Scribe [?\]: Zaijian Laoshi
EkinOne [14k\]: ty
poke556 [10k\]: thank you sir!
guojuan [5p\]: I will continue now
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
Tjalveboy [12k\]: thanks very much!
ibo2go [15k\]: thank you#
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
rzhao [4k\]: thx
swooboo [?\]: Thanks!
QWerner [18k\]: jä:o)
goyo [?\]: thanks
QWerner [18k\]: jes
poke556 [10k\]: yes
EkinOne [14k\]: YES
Brutha [-\]: yes
pugh [15k\]: thank you for teaching...
FLgator [6k\]: no
Tjalveboy [12k\]: yes, homework!
isshoni [13k\]: thx
poke556 [10k\]: haha..
pugh [15k\]: yes
FLgator [6k\]: no
]))))
(;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[kimba [7k\]: and if the corner stone is on 3-3 ?
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[ntk: can you say something in chinese?
]
(;W[ld]CR[ld])
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[Scribe [?\]: proper continuations for black are f16 and d15 with the black d17 stone
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gc]CR[gc]TR[dc]C[Scribe [?\]: Position of top left black stone has changed from d16 to d17
]
(;B[fd]CR[fd])
(;B[de]CR[de]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[zee [8k\]: B has to defend top left
]))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[zee [8k\]: this is good for W
])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[df]CR[df]TR[dc][oc]C[MeiLing: good  shape
QWerner [18k\]: d14?
zee [8k\]: better for B this way
QWerner [18k\]: d15 better?
Scribe [?\]: proper continuation for black after white kick at p17
])))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Tjalveboy [12k\]: ;P
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [?\]: now the top left stone is at c16 in place of d16
TonyTiger [5k\]: I see :)
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]LB[dd:A]TR[cd]C[blue88 [15k\]: b f16
QWerner [18k\]: no
Tjalveboy [12k\]: nope
agui [7k\]: not much
DrGoPlayer [5k\]: door is open?
Tjalveboy [12k\]: C10 instead of E17
zee [8k\]: good for B
Scribe [?\]: proper continuation for black at e17
Tjalveboy [12k\]: C10 is miai of shimari-extension and double-wing from lower left
]))
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [?\]: HomeWork
]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[abbadan [?\]: thanks
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
(;B[nb]CR[nb])
(;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[goglu [-\]: yes
]))
(;W[re]CR[re]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[rn]CR[rn]LB[kc:A][ko:B]C[agui [7k\]: who plays ?
Scribe [?\]: First do the top right problem then the bottom right
zee [8k\]: W to play
Scribe [?\]: Whites turn in both cases
suducodu [?\]: so white goes first?
QWerner [18k\]: thx alot
EkinOne [14k\]: tq
suducodu [?\]: okay
kaeleer [16k\]: thanks!
rakdver [14k\]: thank you
murky: thx
ihgo [4k\]: thank you
juve [21k\]: thank you
rzhao [4k\]: thx
blue88 [15k\]: me too :)
olczyk [16k\]: Thank you.
swooboo [?\]: Thank you very much!!!
sobi [9k\]: thank you
au2 [2k\]: thank you
capra [7k?\]: thank you very much
kimba [7k\]: thx - peace
murky: have a good morning
TonyTiger [5k\]: lower right, how many stones live?
GothamST [?\]: thankyou
KarateKid [9k\]: merci
QWerner [18k\]: have a good time
kole [5k\]: thank you
blue88 [15k\]: thanks
poke556 [10k\]: thanks
evilGOer [21k\]: thanks
pugh [15k\]: thank you
QWerner [18k\]:  ye
ntk: schleimer meier
ihgo [4k\]: very nice lesson as usual
raikou [6k\]: thank you
Ermac [9k\]: thank you
ibumax [7k\]: thanks
juve [21k\]: see you
wilkolak [10k\]: thank you
ntk: thanks a lot
au2 [2k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
pugh [15k\]: bye
poke556 [10k\]: byebye
goyo [?\]: bye
abbadan [?\]: thx
ivanho [12k\]: thank yo
franzush [11k\]: bye
Scribe [?\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation for sponsorship and to Mingjiu Laoshi
ntk: spammers
TonyTiger [5k\]: buy buy
au2 [2k\]: thanks to Scribe
isshoni [13k\]: bye
kimba [7k\]: bye
ibo2go [15k\]: bye
agui [7k\]: thank you 
agui [7k\]: bye
])))