(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[300]OT[3x40 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-05-01]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[

PeterPwan: hi GJ:)
rakdver [12k\]: hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello -
okhna [14k\]: V(^_^) Happy Moms` Day (^_^)V
iveseen [12k\]: hello
rarr [6k?\]: hello hello
rohff2813 [5k?\]: hi guo juan
Bodo212 [14k\]: good afternoon
Scribe [?\]: nihao laoshi
liquis [16k\]: good morning
offtosea [16k\]: morning!
murky: Happy mother's day
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]BL[414.957]C[

Kamiah [?\]: yes
Kamiah [?\]: good
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]WL[415.553]
;B[cd]CR[cd]BL[405.816]
;W[dp]CR[dp]WL[409.505]
;B[po]CR[po]BL[401.838]C[rarr [6k?\]: how strong are the players?
]
(;W[np]CR[np]WL[407.627]C[Puffie [13k?\]: too slow
playgo [5k\]: bit slow
jenijen [17k\]: because of m3
zee [9k\]: joseki is not common anymore
Scribe [?\]: This joseki is not seen very much any more (white o4)
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]BL[397.105]C[hansb [4k?\]: balck makes more points than white
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]WL[406.212]
;B[qp]CR[qp]BL[393.773]
;W[or]CR[or]WL[405.286]C[Scribe [?\]: Professionals have stopped playing this due to Black M3
Scribe [?\]: This is common in pro games, white has corner and can enter the right side
Scribe [?\]: r9 better than r8 because the upper right corner is black
]
(;B[ql]CR[ql]BL[391.127]C[ticktock [14k\]: white sente, though
Scribe [?\]: Black gets more points from this joseki, white gets higher position
]
(;W[ed]CR[ed]WL[402.38]C[Scribe [?\]: r8 better when there are white stones in the right side, solid
]
(;B[hd]CR[hd]BL[387.269]TR[pd][ql]C[Scribe [?\]: good choice by black for a pincer works well with q16 and r8
]
(;W[dg]CR[dg]WL[397.385]C[Scribe [?\]: D13 is a high level move
QuanSiMenh [9k\]: more flexible?
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[384.552]
;W[fe]CR[fe]WL[395.67]
;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[383.096]C[Scribe [?\]: one of Go Seigen's  josekis
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[394.272]C[agui [7k\]: very useful
]
(;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[372.937]
(;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[390.217]
;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[370.071]
;W[cc]CR[cc]WL[388.239]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]BL[367.066]C[liquis [16k\]: artistic
]
;W[db]CR[db]WL[386.329]LB[dh:A][di:B][cj:C][dj:F][ck:D][cl:E]C[swilks [7k\]: c8
zee [9k\]: B should have nobi at b16 instead of connecting
IdnOuNaGe [8k\]: D10 
Scribe [?\]: black c6 is not joseki
RVREY [12k\]:  A et B  trop pres
wingnut [-\]: A & B are too close
Scribe [?\]: A and B are not playable, too close
goglu [-\]: how about C9 
zee [9k\]: c10 is the correct move
RVREY [12k\]: C10 est le coup classique
Scribe [?\]: C, c10, is normal joseki
]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]BL[362.247]C[gjk: no kitani's
goglu [-\]: C15 could be B17
Scribe [?\]: i believe so per Essential Joseki by Rui Naiwei
hansb [4k?\]: F14 before C16
goglu [-\]: B16
goglu [-\]:  :)
goglu [-\]: greedy
Litus2004 [15k\]: could anyone play a 3-d as well as traditional go?
Chachi [10k\]: d12?
goglu [-\]: C9 
jenijen [17k\]: d11
kalistek [11k\]: c10 
hansb [4k?\]: C9
FlowerKing [6k\]: what about black h13 now instead of extending on the left?
Pena [-\]: C9 
agui [7k\]: C10
]
;W[dk]CR[dk]WL[374.532]C[goglu [-\]: pincer
]
;B[en]CR[en]BL[358.803]
;W[fp]CR[fp]WL[371.161]
;B[bp]CR[bp]BL[354.614]
(;W[dm]CR[dm]WL[365.204]C[zee [9k\]: c6 is too far
]
;B[dn]CR[dn]BL[352.855]
;W[bm]CR[bm]WL[363.584]C[goglu [-\]: yes
jenijen [17k\]: best move i have ever seen
Yoru [17k\]: yes
rarr [6k?\]: looks nice
murky: I have
Nikos [19k\]: not me
Scribe [?\]: leaves black group at d14 weak
]
(;B[cq]CR[cq]BL[350.963]
;W[bn]CR[bn]WL[360.036]
(;B[co]CR[co]BL[335.368]C[Scribe [?\]: white d7 prevents black from floating white (by b9)
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]WL[354.295]LB[cp:A]C[zee [9k\]: c5 is a mistake
]
(;B[bk]CR[bk]BL[322.553]C[Yoru [17k\]: no c5 isn't possible
zeroblue42 [15k\]: K
dorian80 [?\]: zeroblue: black would answer d5 
Yoru [17k\]: yeah
zee [9k\]: B attacks before defending the corner
]
;W[bl]CR[bl]WL[347.204]
;B[ck]CR[ck]BL[320.045]
;W[cl]CR[cl]WL[341.213]C[zee [9k\]: impatient
wingnut [-\]: c11
rarr [6k?\]: c11?
goglu [-\]: C11 
]
(;B[di]CR[di]BL[314.256]C[GralAnibal [11k\]: I am older and make same mistakes :-)
goglu [-\]: C10 
Nikos [19k\]: C10 
kyrilin [15k\]: c10
agui [7k\]: afraid of cut at D10
kyrilin [15k\]: keep b onleft side enclosed
Nikos [19k\]: D6 might only be able to make one eye
goglu [-\]: white was probably after the cut in the corner
agui [7k\]: poor reading ?
wingnut [-\]: lazy to read?
goglu [-\]: shape = forme en Francais
Yemon [8k\]: and solve tesuji probs as well?
RVREY [12k\]: ok thx
ArCosH [4k\]: do some sports if you have shape probs
GoSean [23k?\]: true for life too...
]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]WL[337.963]
;B[ci]CR[ci]BL[312.308]
;W[ei]CR[ei]WL[320.462]
;B[eh]CR[eh]BL[304.402]C[zee [9k\]: both made shape mistakes
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]WL[313.269]
;B[gn]CR[gn]BL[300.631]
;W[hp]CR[hp]WL[311.105]
;B[el]CR[el]BL[298.54]
;W[dl]CR[dl]WL[307.234]
;B[ek]CR[ek]BL[295.656]
;W[em]CR[em]WL[301.368]
;B[fm]CR[fm]BL[292.26]
;W[ej]CR[ej]WL[293.264]
;B[gk]CR[gk]BL[288.709]
;W[fo]CR[fo]WL[288.941]
;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[285.743]
;W[gj]CR[gj]WL[286.545]
;B[hj]CR[hj]BL[278.502]
;W[hi]CR[hi]WL[258.755]
;B[hk]CR[hk]BL[275.984]
;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[256.059]
;B[jq]CR[jq]BL[267.256]
;W[jp]CR[jp]WL[230.141]
;B[kp]CR[kp]BL[261.377]
;W[jo]CR[jo]WL[227.86]
;B[iq]CR[iq]BL[259.363]
;W[hq]CR[hq]WL[225.873]
;B[lq]CR[lq]BL[254.671]
;W[hn]CR[hn]WL[213.479]
;B[kd]CR[kd]BL[230.138]
;W[lo]CR[lo]WL[201.134]
;B[mr]CR[mr]BL[188.957]
;W[kr]CR[kr]WL[190.029]
;B[lp]CR[lp]BL[168.455]
;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[178.957]
;B[hr]CR[hr]BL[162.554]
;W[gr]CR[gr]WL[174.483]
;B[hs]CR[hs]BL[155.729]
;W[jr]CR[jr]WL[140.488]
;B[ir]CR[ir]BL[151.546]
;W[js]CR[js]WL[120]
;B[ls]CR[ls]BL[120]
;W[ks]CR[ks]WL[120]
;B[qe]CR[qe]BL[120]
;W[hm]CR[hm]WL[120]
;B[gl]CR[gl]BL[120]
;W[mn]CR[mn]WL[120]
;B[cr]CR[cr]BL[120]
;W[dr]CR[dr]WL[120]
;B[jj]CR[jj]BL[120]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[120]
;B[kk]CR[kk]BL[120]
;W[mc]CR[mc]WL[120]
;B[oc]CR[oc]BL[120]
;W[me]CR[me]WL[120]
;B[kf]CR[kf]BL[120]
;W[kb]CR[kb]WL[120]
;B[kh]CR[kh]BL[120]
;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[120]
;B[fg]CR[fg]BL[120]
;W[gg]CR[gg]WL[120]
;B[gf]CR[gf]BL[120]
;W[hf]CR[hf]WL[120]
;B[ge]CR[ge]BL[120]
;W[ie]CR[ie]WL[120]
;B[fd]CR[fd]BL[120]
;W[id]CR[id]WL[120]
;B[fb]CR[fb]BL[120]
;W[eb]CR[eb]WL[120]
;B[bb]CR[bb]BL[120]
;W[fc]CR[fc]WL[120]
;B[gb]CR[gb]BL[120]
;W[bc]CR[bc]WL[120]
;B[bd]CR[bd]BL[120]
;W[ab]CR[ab]WL[120]
;B[lb]CR[lb]BL[120]
;W[lc]CR[lc]WL[120]
;B[kc]CR[kc]BL[120]
;W[ib]CR[ib]WL[120]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[120]
;W[ba]CR[ba]WL[120]
;B[mb]CR[mb]BL[120]
;W[ke]CR[ke]WL[120]
;B[le]CR[le]BL[120]
;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[120]
;B[nb]CR[nb]BL[120]
;W[je]CR[je]WL[120]
;B[ld]CR[ld]BL[120]
;W[lf]CR[lf]WL[120]
;B[mf]CR[mf]BL[120]
;W[lg]CR[lg]WL[120]
;B[md]CR[md]BL[120]
;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[120]
;B[jh]CR[jh]BL[120]
;W[jg]CR[jg]WL[120]
;B[mg]CR[mg]BL[120]
;W[lh]CR[lh]WL[120]
;B[nh]CR[nh]BL[120]
;W[ni]CR[ni]WL[120]
;B[oi]CR[oi]BL[120]
;W[pk]CR[pk]WL[120]
;B[qi]CR[qi]BL[120]
;W[qk]CR[qk]WL[120]
;B[pl]CR[pl]BL[120]
;W[oj]CR[oj]WL[120]
;B[oh]CR[oh]BL[120]
;W[ol]CR[ol]WL[120]
;B[br]CR[br]BL[80]
;W[rl]CR[rl]WL[120]
;B[rm]CR[rm]BL[80]
;W[rj]CR[rj]WL[120]
;B[qn]CR[qn]BL[80]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[120]
;B[ri]CR[ri]BL[80]
;W[si]CR[si]WL[120]
;B[rg]CR[rg]BL[80]
;W[rf]CR[rf]WL[120]
;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[80]
;W[sg]CR[sg]WL[120]
;B[sh]CR[sh]BL[80]
;W[bo]CR[bo]WL[120]
;B[cp]CR[cp]BL[80]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[120]
;B[ih]CR[ih]BL[80]
;W[ig]CR[ig]WL[120]
;B[sh]CR[sh]BL[80]
;W[ne]CR[ne]WL[120]
;B[nd]CR[nd]BL[80]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[120]
;B[hh]CR[hh]BL[80]
;W[hg]CR[hg]WL[120]
;B[sh]CR[sh]BL[80]
;W[mh]CR[mh]WL[120]
;B[ng]CR[ng]BL[80]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[120]
;B[kn]CR[kn]BL[80]
;W[ko]CR[ko]WL[120]
;B[sh]CR[sh]BL[80]
;W[ij]CR[ij]WL[120]
;B[ik]CR[ik]BL[80]
;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[120]
;B[qg]CR[qg]BL[80]
;W[sh]CR[sh]WL[120]
;B[ds]CR[ds]BL[80]
;W[es]CR[es]WL[120]
;B[cs]CR[cs]BL[80]
;W[er]CR[er]WL[120]
;B[re]CR[re]BL[80]
;W[se]CR[se]WL[120]
;B[rd]CR[rd]BL[80]
;W[sd]CR[sd]WL[120]
;B[sc]CR[sc]BL[80]
;W[sf]CR[sf]WL[120]
;B[qf]CR[qf]BL[80]
;W[sj]CR[sj]WL[120]
;B[rc]CR[rc]BL[80]
;W[pm]CR[pm]WL[120]
;B[qm]CR[qm]BL[80]
;W[on]CR[on]WL[120]
;B[rr]CR[rr]BL[80]
;W[rs]CR[rs]WL[120]
;B[sr]CR[sr]BL[80]
;W[jl]CR[jl]WL[120]
;B[jk]CR[jk]BL[80]
;W[kl]CR[kl]WL[120]
;B[nk]CR[nk]BL[80]
;W[ok]CR[ok]WL[120]
;B[nj]CR[nj]BL[80]
;W[mi]CR[mi]WL[120]
;B[lk]CR[lk]BL[80]
;W[ml]CR[ml]WL[120]
;B[ll]CR[ll]BL[80]
;W[lm]CR[lm]WL[120]
;B[go]CR[go]BL[80]
;W[ho]CR[ho]WL[120]
;B[gp]CR[gp]BL[80]
;W[gq]CR[gq]WL[120]
;B[il]CR[il]BL[80]
;W[im]CR[im]WL[120]
;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[80]
;W[gi]CR[gi]WL[120]
;B[nl]CR[nl]BL[80]
;W[nm]CR[nm]WL[120]
;B[mk]CR[mk]BL[80]
;W[cj]CR[cj]WL[120]
;B[bj]CR[bj]BL[80]
;W[ak]CR[ak]WL[120]
;B[bi]CR[bi]BL[80]
;W[gc]CR[gc]WL[120]
;B[hc]CR[hc]BL[80]
;W[dc]CR[dc]WL[120]
;B[hb]CR[hb]BL[80]
;W[de]CR[de]WL[120]
;B[df]CR[df]BL[80]
;W[oo]CR[oo]WL[120]
;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[80]
;W[km]CR[km]WL[120]
;B[pn]CR[pn]BL[80]
;W[om]CR[om]WL[120]
;B[pp]CR[pp]BL[80]
;W[op]CR[op]WL[120]
;B[ka]CR[ka]BL[80]
;W[jb]CR[jb]WL[120]
;B[sl]CR[sl]BL[80]
;W[rk]CR[rk]WL[120]
;B[eo]CR[eo]BL[80]
;W[ep]CR[ep]WL[120]
;B[ao]CR[ao]BL[80]
;W[an]CR[an]WL[120]
;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[80]
;W[ro]CR[ro]WL[80]
;B[rp]CR[rp]BL[80]
;W[sn]CR[sn]WL[80]
;B[sm]CR[sm]BL[80]
;W[sp]CR[sp]WL[80]
;B[sq]CR[sq]BL[80]
;W[qs]CR[qs]WL[80]
;B[rn]CR[rn]BL[80]
;W[fk]CR[fk]WL[80]
;B[fl]CR[fl]BL[80]
;W[ja]CR[ja]WL[80]
;B[la]CR[la]BL[80]
;W[fa]CR[fa]WL[80]
;B[ga]CR[ga]BL[80]
;W[ea]CR[ea]WL[80]
;B[fh]CR[fh]BL[80]
;W[al]CR[al]WL[80]
;B[ad]CR[ad]BL[80]
;W[ac]CR[ac]WL[80]
;B[aj]CR[aj]BL[80]
;W[pi]CR[pi]WL[80]
;B[ph]CR[ph]BL[80]
;W[pj]CR[pj]WL[80]
;B[lj]CR[lj]BL[80]
;W[li]CR[li]WL[80]
;B[ki]CR[ki]BL[80]
;W[ec]CR[ec]WL[80]
;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[80]
;W[ml]CR[ml]WL[80]
;B[ca]CR[ca]BL[80]
;W[cb]CR[cb]WL[80]
;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[80]
;W[ss]CR[ss]WL[80]
;B[so]CR[so]BL[80]
;W[ml]CR[ml]WL[80]
;B[ns]CR[ns]BL[80]
;W[nr]CR[nr]WL[80]
;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[80]
;W[jd]CR[jd]WL[80]
;B[ml]CR[ml]BL[80]
;W[]WL[80]
;B[]BL[80]TW[aa][ca][da][bb][if][jf][kf][am][jm][in][jn][kn][ln][nn][io][mo][no][ip][kp][lp][eq][fq][iq][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][oq][fr][hr][ir][lr][mr][pr][fs][gs][hs][is][ls][ms][ns][os][ps]TB[ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][lc][mc][nc][pc][qc][od][qd][ae][be][fe][me][ne][oe][pe][af][bf][ff][nf][of][pf][ag][bg][cg][dg][og][pg][ah][bh][ch][dh][ai][kj][sn][qo][ro][sp][aq][bq][rq][ar][as][bs]C[rubik [1k\]: thx
rubik [1k\]: nice game
tomosibi [1d\]: thx

])
(;W[cj]CR[cj]C[zee [9k\]: B shape is weak
Scribe [?\]: black shape is wrong
QuanSiMenh [9k\]: c11
zee [9k\]: not good for B
Heretix [21k\]: yep
zee [9k\]: W helps B
Chachi [10k\]: cut
drunkendog [11k\]: enclosed
zee [9k\]: by playing d10
Heretix [21k\]: White thinks that black can cut
Excell2 [17k\]: was afraid of cut
offtosea [16k\]: ??
Chachi [10k\]: w does not want to capture 2 stone in gote
GoSean [23k?\]: shape didn't come to his mind...
Heretix [21k\]: ahhhhh
zee [9k\]: W should have considered c10
okhna [14k\]: memorizing isnt good at all
Scribe [?\]: white did not play c10 because he doesnt understand that the black shape is wrong and can be punisheed
Heretix [21k\]: this is enlightening
Launchpad [15k\]: lol
gertzu [9k\]: lol
Yemon [8k\]: very good to hear that^^
murky: liberty and shape
Heretix [21k\]: ok
RVREY [12k\]: une traduction simple en french ?
agui [7k\]: ok good advice !
Scribe [?\]: Making Good Shape by Bozulich from Kiseido
goglu [-\]: Faits des problems de tsume-go
wingnut [-\]: how often?
Nikos [19k\]: poor excuse!
Heretix [21k\]: hahaha
GoSean [23k?\]: lol
Scribe [?\]: 245 shape problems
agui [7k\]: Would C11 for w work ?
RVREY [12k\]: c quoi un shape ??
RVREY [12k\]: lol
Slarty [3k\]: dog ate my tsumego problems?
ELNegus [-\]: une forme
]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
(;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[bi]CR[bi])
(;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[ei]CR[ei])))
(;B[ci]CR[ci]C[agui [7k\]: C11
Nikos [19k\]: C11 
zee [9k\]: c11 is better
]))
(;B[]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bq]CR[bq])
(;B[cr]CR[cr]C[zee [9k\]: B is eyeless
Scribe [?\]: c5 wrong, bad shape, empty triangle, results in white being able to take the corner
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[dr]CR[dr]))
(;B[dq]CR[dq]
(;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[bo]CR[bo]C[zee [9k\]: old joseki
Scribe [?\]: cut at c5 not possible
]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[zeroblue42 [15k\]: White C5?
])
(;W[co]CR[co]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Scribe [?\]: black must push at d3
])))
(;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[cq]CR[cq]))
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[bk]CR[bk]C[goglu [-\]: too comfortable for black
Scribe [?\]: black b9 leaves white floating
]))
(;B[ck]CR[ck])
(;B[di]CR[di]C[IdnOuNaGe [8k\]: D10 
bonobo03 [9k\]: D9
])
(;B[dh]CR[dh])
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Pena [-\]: yeah
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[zee [9k\]: forget d12 and d11
Scribe [?\]: F almost useless
]
;B[cj]CR[cj])
(;B[cj]CR[cj]C[RVREY [12k\]: D10 pas bon ..trop lent
bonobo03 [9k\]: C10
kalistek [11k\]: ok
agui [7k\]: yes
Slarty [3k\]: what if white splits after C8?
hansb [4k?\]: what about white D11? after C8
murky: clear
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[zee [9k\]: d10 not good either
tobe30k [14k\]: pincer
ArCosH [4k\]: resign
grumpy [2d\]: e10
Pena [-\]: ^^
ticktock [14k\]: tenuki
swilks [7k\]: sente
Pena [-\]: yeah tenuki
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Pena [-\]: right
playgo [5k\]: answer
swilks [7k\]: what if d12
]
;W[di]CR[di]C[GralAnibal [11k\]: d10
RVREY [12k\]: blanc ne peut pas attaquer
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[agui [7k\]: D10
]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]TR[dg]C[zee [9k\]: b escapes
Heretix [21k\]: yep yep
Scribe [?\]: black connects, no severe white attack
RVREY [12k\]: noir conneste
RVREY [12k\]: connecte
agui [7k\]: beautiful
])
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[wingnut [-\]: no
Heretix [21k\]: nope
agui [7k\]: no
RVREY [12k\]: no
Excell2 [17k\]: :(
goglu [-\]: no
Yoru [17k\]: no
offtosea [16k\]: no
bonobo03 [9k\]: no
agui [7k\]: overconcentrated
playgo [5k\]: korigatachi
bonobo03 [9k\]: too small
Scribe [?\]: d10 here is very slwo
RVREY [12k\]: trop lent
]))
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Pena [-\]: i would play c9
Pena [-\]: too far?
kyrilin [15k\]: f17?
hansb [4k?\]: white D11?!
KarateKid [9k\]: can you show the joseki again,pls
]
(;W[]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
(;W[cn]CR[cn]
(;B[el]CR[el]C[rarr [6k?\]: nice plan
RVREY [12k\]: C8 ..prepare F3
])
(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[el]CR[el]C[QuanSiMenh [9k\]: fisher man ^^
RVREY [12k\]: tres dur pour blanc
]))
(;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[zee [9k\]: this is efficient but leads to a fighying game
]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[eq]CR[eq]C[Scribe [?\]: often played by Guo Juan during her professional career in China
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]))
(;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[gh]CR[gh]
;B[di]TR[di][cl]C[Heretix [21k\]: yep
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]C[murky: f17
goglu [-\]: O17 
PLP [1k?\]: j14
zee [9k\]: where for B on top?
agui [7k\]: H14
fint: h14
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[zee [9k\]: n17 to defend the top
])
(;W[cj]CR[cj]TR[fe][ff]
;B[fg]CR[fg]C[zee [9k\]: W c10 is a fight
Heretix [21k\]: yes
darkmaze [10k\]: b n17 will make w get the right top corner
agui [7k\]: what about black C9?
Scribe [?\]: two white stones at f14,15 are not powerful
Scribe [?\]: black can fight here
])))
(;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[fc]CR[fc]TR[ff][eg]))
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[hansb [4k?\]: to where should black extend now?
]
(;B[bd]CR[bd]C[liquis [16k\]: black can always connect
]
;W[fc]LB[fc:C][ff:A][eg:B]C[Scribe [?\]: A and B: this exchange of marked stones is not good for white
Scribe [?\]: first white hane at san-san then push, NOT push first
zee [9k\]: hane at san san first before pushing at F14
flogo [3k\]: black C14 at D15 ?
Bodo212 [14k\]: clesr
Scribe [?\]: white C not white A
agui [7k\]: yes  thanks
Pena [-\]: b
RVREY [12k\]: blanc ok dans le coin noir a de l'influence au centre
ArCosH [4k\]: i want both
goglu [-\]: thanks
Pena [-\]: ^^
RVREY [12k\]: lol
ticktock [14k\]: what are black's weaknesses here?
agui [7k\]: ok thanks
jenijen [17k\]: opel corsa, toyota corona
Excell2 [17k\]: ok
Pena [-\]: ok
kalistek [11k\]: ok
olczyk [16k\]: We have to mess up on our own.
offtosea [16k\]: xactly!
]
(;B[]
;W[cg]CR[cg])
(;B[di]CR[di]C[RVREY [12k\]: nice
]
;W[cg]CR[cg]))
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [?\]: this connection makes solid shape, often then best shape is solid shape
RVREY [12k\]: pb noir plus tard
]
(;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [?\]: very common mistake to mess up the order of plays
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
(;W[db]CR[db]C[Scribe [?\]: correct order of plays
RVREY [12k\]: le territoire noir est mieux assuré en B16
])
(;W[bc]CR[bc]C[goglu [-\]: how can black decide between C15 and B16.  What is the difference ?
hansb [4k?\]: ladder
goglu [-\]: ladder
agui [7k\]: cut at F16 ?
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [?\]: in order for white to descend at b17 a condition must hold
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[gjk: c11
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[lefuet [9k\]: the geta H13 works anyway, i think
lefuet [9k\]: thanks @FlowerKing
]
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[FlowerKing [6k\]: b h18, w g12?
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[ib]CR[ib]LB[bc:B][gf:A][lq:C]C[Scribe [?\]: this ladder starting with A must be good for white in order for white to play B
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
liquis [16k\]: because of )4?
liquis [16k\]: O4
agui [7k\]: yes
Scribe [?\]: Chang Hao
goglu [-\]: Chang Hao
goglu [-\]: sometimes it is hard to punish non Joseki moves.
agui [7k\]: yes
]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[Kamiah [?\]: tell us
zee [9k\]: k18 is trick
wingnut [-\]: keep for homework
offtosea [16k\]: ha
Excell2 [17k\]: lol
wingnut [-\]: :)
olczyk [16k\]: nor much literature in US.
lefuet [9k\]: doesn't H18 work also without K18?
lefuet [9k\]: *H13
goglu [-\]: H18 ?
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[hg]CR[hg]TR[fe][ff])
(;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[FlowerKing [6k\]: eh, sorry: b h13, w g12
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[fa]CR[fa])))
(;W[db]CR[db]))))
(;B[de]CR[de]C[flogo [3k\]: yeah
]))
(;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[dal [-\]: mean *
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[dal [-\]: d14 instead of e14
dal [-\]: I mena
]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[zee [9k\]: joseki
dal [-\]: guojuan: e14 is fun :)
Scribe [?\]: most important to understand the basic josekis before the complicated ones
Heretix [21k\]: yep yep
abbadan [?\]: yes
jenijen [17k\]: yes
zee [9k\]: heavy too big to die and no eyes, so they must run
liquis [16k\]: yes
Bamsen [2k\]: what if b plays now e17?
agui [7k\]: what if black cuts at D17
Excell2 [17k\]: yeah
zee [9k\]: c17 first
])
(;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[zee [9k\]: not good for W
RVREY [12k\]: N17 protege le coin
Scribe [?\]: m16 fails to protect either the corner or the stone at h16....not a meaningful move
]
(;B[]C[Scribe [?\]: black corner alive, very solid, black can now defend the upper side
hansb [4k?\]: N17
agui [7k\]: L16
playgo [5k\]: N17 
ticktock [14k\]: L16
jenijen [17k\]: M16
Yemon [8k\]: N16
Chachi [10k\]: L17
liquis [16k\]: K17
GralAnibal [11k\]: M16
wholeboard [9k\]: o17
QuanSiMenh [9k\]: n17
Launchpad [15k\]: K16
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]LB[hd:A]C[zelda5 [?\]: L16
zee [9k\]: n17 protects the corner too
Scribe [?\]: invites white to invade and 3x3 and let black defend right side
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [?\]: N17 best move to defend upper side
]
;B[qd]CR[qd])
(;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [?\]: H16 stone is light
RVREY [12k\]: il faut faire un choix
]
(;W[hb]CR[hb])
(;W[md]CR[md]TR[hd][kd]C[zee [9k\]: l16 becomes heavy
RVREY [12k\]: la le groupe noie est trop lourd
RVREY [12k\]: noir
RVREY [12k\]: il faut se sauver
agui [7k\]: ok 
Heretix [21k\]: yes
RVREY [12k\]: pour vivre
jenijen [17k\]: very clever
]))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[jenijen [17k\]: is anyone else has a problem with audio?
okhna [14k\]: yes
liquis [16k\]: it's better now
zeroblue42 [15k\]: yes
Yemon [8k\]: yes
Excell2 [17k\]: yeah
GralAnibal [11k\]: audio breaks
Puffie [13k?\]: still sounds funny
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]C[ArCosH [4k\]: my grandpa has probs too
])
(;W[jd]CR[jd]C[rince [14k?\]: too much helium ? ^^
jenijen [17k\]: :)
Yoru [17k\]: yesXD
zelda5 [?\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
Excell2 [17k\]: yes
kalistek [11k\]: yes
Heretix [21k\]: yes
RVREY [12k\]: M16 ne protege pas assez
zee [9k\]: m14 does not protect either side
])))))
(;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[Scribe [?\]: now the right side is flat for black
]))
(;W[]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [?\]: last comment belongs to different variation
]))
(;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[qi]CR[qi]))
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [?\]: This is common in pro games, white has corner and can enter the right side
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[hansb [4k?\]: sente for white
]
;W[so]CR[so])
(;W[qo]CR[qo]C[Scribe [?\]: also very common in pro games
]))
(;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[jc]CR[jc]))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[Nikos [19k\]: ive got cold too
]
;B[jq]TR[qm][pp][jq]C[GoSean [23k?\]: Get better soon Mingju
Nikos [19k\]: :)
playgo [5k\]: very interesting game
mingjiu [7p\]: thanks
hansb [4k?\]: Q3
Chachi [10k\]: q3
zee [9k\]: How to invade this shape
Nikos [19k\]: N3 
rohff2813 [5k?\]: q3
Pena [-\]: Q3 
Scribe [?\]: how to invade the black position
Heretix [21k\]: N3 ?
bison [8k\]: q2
goglu [-\]: P2 
samirs: q5
murky: I cann't hear
kyrilin [15k\]: o3
agui [7k\]: P2
ArCosH [4k\]: q2
ticktock [14k\]: p2
drunkendog [11k\]: p2
GralAnibal [11k\]: q2
QuanSiMenh [9k\]: o3
samirs: q5
HyperSonic [19k?\]: P2
Nikos [19k\]: O3 
MontFuji [12k\]: P2
Pena [-\]: too good for black
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[QuanSiMenh [9k\]: or p2
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
(;W[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [?\]: standard
zee [9k\]: hane inside for the corner
]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[lq]CR[lq])
(;W[no]CR[no]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [?\]: standard
zee [9k\]: two josekis
]))
(;B[oq]CR[oq]C[FlowerKing [6k\]: what about w double hane?
goglu [-\]: black blocked on wrong side
]
;W[or]TR[qm][pp][jq][oq][pq][or]C[Scribe [?\]: black want corner? hane inside at r3
Nikos [19k\]: K3 in trouble if after b not have sente
Nikos [19k\]: Q2 ?
Pena [-\]: is*
zee [9k\]: r3 maybe but q2 not seen
Excell2 [17k\]: how does w respond to atari at q2?
Heretix [21k\]: ok, will put into gobase
zee [9k\]: study this shape
Scribe [?\]: put this shape into gobase for further study
mingjiu [7p\]: yes
goglu [-\]: thanks for a great lesson
FlowerKing [6k\]: excell2: by extending
rakdver [12k\]: thank you
Pena [-\]: thanks
drschlaper [17k\]: thank you
Erithid [15k\]: thank you very much for your time
Yoru [17k\]: thx a lot
Nikos [19k\]: thx
ELNegus [-\]: thx
bonobo03 [9k\]: thank you very much
jenijen [17k\]: thank you
Chachi [10k\]: thank you
chucha [19k\]: thx
GralAnibal [11k\]: thank you
GoSean [23k?\]: Thank you!
murky: thanks
Yemon [8k\]: thank you for the great lecture
Heretix [21k\]: xie xie lao shi :)
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
dorian80 [?\]: thx
jenijen [17k\]: happy mother's day
offtosea [16k\]: Thank you Guo Juan!
wholeboard [9k\]: thanks
Bodo212 [14k\]: thanks
Ahndraniel [15k\]: thanks
kyrilin [15k\]: thx
nux [23k\]: thank you very much
kalistek [11k\]: thank you
bison [8k\]: thanks
esuomikim [19k\]: thank You : )
]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[guojuan [5p\]: o3 is very wrong
Scribe [?\]: black wants outside? hane at p3
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]C[zee [9k\]: o3 is wrong
]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rq]CR[rq])
(;B[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [?\]: must double hane
goglu [-\]: P4 is proper
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[ArCosH [4k\]: joe seki is here ?
]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[os]CR[os]
;W[pr]CR[pr]C[zee [9k\]: B must p4
FlowerKing [6k\]: what about atari first?
Nikos [19k\]: to good for b
Scribe [?\]: white must double hane and black must connect
Florian [6k\]: is s5 sente?
])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[dorian80 [?\]: why not q2?
]
;W[pr]CR[pr])
(;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Pena [-\]: q2 id bad
])))
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[zee [9k\]: q3 is good
rarr [6k?\]: q3 of course
ticktock [14k\]: q3
jenijen [17k\]: Q3
wingnut [-\]: Q3
Chachi [10k\]: q3
dorian80 [?\]: q3
murky: q3
Nikos [19k\]: Q3 
drunkendog [11k\]: q3
spingle [8k?\]: q3
Yemon [8k\]: Q3
Yoru [17k\]: q3
PeterPwan: q3
goglu [-\]: Q3 
agui [7k\]: Q3
Kamiah [?\]: q3
zee [9k\]: wrong direction
]
(;B[pq]CR[pq]C[offtosea [16k\]: q3
Heretix [21k\]: Q3 
GralAnibal [11k\]: q3
Pena [-\]: Q3 
kalistek [11k\]: q3
rakdver [12k\]: q3
GoSean [23k?\]: q3
wingnut [-\]: wide side
liquis [16k\]: Q3
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[Scribe [?\]: q3, white wants the corner only
]
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[zee [9k\]: san san possible
]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[Scribe [?\]: white lives
zee [9k\]: basic joseki
])
(;B[po]CR[po]C[Pena [-\]: better for black
zee [9k\]: another joseki
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pn]CR[pn]C[zee [9k\]: leaves k3 too close
]
;W[rm]CR[rm]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[rk]CR[rk]C[Nikos [19k\]: ulta wall
Heretix [21k\]: ok
]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[tibra [25k?\]: Q3
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Pena [-\]: yes
]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]C[Nikos [19k\]: it looks ok aswell
]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[Scribe [?\]: horrible, r7 is very badly placed
]))))