(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-05-08]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[goglu [-\]: hi
Yoru [17k\]: hi
murky: Hello LaoShi
Excell2 [17k\]: hi
Scribe [?\]: nihao mingjiu laoshi
ELNegus [-\]: hi
rakdver [12k\]: hello
agui [7k\]: Hello
wholeboard [9k\]: hi
esuomikim [19k\]: hi
Parr [28k\]: hi
guojuan [5p\]: we hear you
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
Pena [-\]: hi
abbadan [?\]: hello
Heretix [21k\]: yes
wholeboard [9k\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: hi!
agui [7k\]: yes
drschlaper [17k\]: hi
Nikos [19k\]: ni ho ma
Scribe [?\]: we can hear you
darkmaze [10k\]: ni hao
Heretix [21k\]: we can hear you
Ahndraniel [15k\]: hello
golawyer2 [8k?\]: hi
gertzu [9k\]: hi!
Pena [-\]: ^^
excession [7k\]: loud and clear
Chachi [10k\]: yay
RVREY [12k\]: hi
dorian80 [?\]: hi
PLP [1k?\]: nin hao
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[zelda5 [?\]: hi
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[zee [9k\]: from a game
]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[zee [9k\]: in old joseki, B can q3
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[zee [9k\]: joseki
Scribe [?\]: standard joseki
]
(;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [?\]: old joseki move
Heretix [21k\]: wow, why...
Scribe [?\]: white q4
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [?\]: refutation of white q4
])
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[zee [9k\]: becomes complicated
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[wingnut [-\]: W Q4 is old joseki move
Scribe [?\]: modern joseki move is white q3
zee [9k\]: q3 is modern
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[on]CR[on]C[Heretix [21k\]: nice and simple
])
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[murky: game
Scribe [?\]: white can also tenuki at this point
Scribe [?\]: r3 is a big point
]
(;W[qq]CR[qq])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]C[wingnut [-\]: R3 worth how many points?
Scribe [?\]: empty corner is also very big
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[agui [7k\]: R3
zee [9k\]: where for B?
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[zee [9k\]: r3 is sente
Scribe [?\]: black r3 is sente
]
(;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [?\]: this black hane is severe
]
;W[kr]CR[kr]C[Scribe [?\]: white can give up the four stones on the third line
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[liquis [16k\]: can white cut at M4?
])
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[lr]CR[lr]C[wingnut [-\]: ouch
]))
(;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]LB[cc:A][fe:C][cf:B]C[DrGoPlayer [5k?\]: r3 is double sente
Chachi [10k\]: c17
agui [7k\]: C14
shenglong [10k\]: c14 d14?
goglu [-\]: R3 is reverse sente
kyrilin [15k\]: m3
Scribe [?\]: double sente ?? black cant tenuki from white r3 ?
agui [7k\]: C14
bonobo03 [9k\]: C14
BrunnenG [17k\]: F15
ticktock [14k\]: c14
bison [8k\]: r3
]
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[zee [9k\]: this wrong choice for B
Scribe [?\]:  black must not choose this joseki
zee [9k\]: game
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cf]CR[cf]TR[jd][mn][pn][mp][np][op][pp][qp]C[Chachi [10k\]: f16
goglu [-\]: F16 
hansb [4k?\]: F16
]
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[zee [9k\]: now hard to attack k16
agui [7k\]: F16
offtosea [16k\]: f15
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[zee [9k\]: r3 still big
]
;W[nc]CR[nc])
(;W[qi]CR[qi]LB[qg:A][qk:B]C[murky: start another war
zee [9k\]: game
swilks [7k\]: isn't f16 needed in upper left?
Scribe [?\]: A
agui [7k\]: A
shenglong [10k\]: A
ELNegus [-\]: A
wingnut [-\]: R13 A
ticktock [14k\]: A
rarr [6k?\]: A
Bamsen [2k\]: A
Chachi [10k\]: A
kalistek [11k\]: A
rince [14k?\]: a
tibra [25k?\]: A
drschlaper [17k\]: a
Jakobicek [11k\]: a
Ahndraniel [15k\]: A
PeterPwan: a
BrunnenG [17k\]: a
swilks [7k\]: a
goglu [-\]: for sure A
zee [9k\]: how should B attack r11
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[GoSean [23k?\]: a
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[zee [9k\]: r3 is still sente
zee [9k\]: hard for B to attack two W stones
Scribe [?\]: black s7 is a slow move
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[zee [9k\]: B should r13
Scribe [?\]: black must play r3
zee [9k\]: B should r3 first
])
(;B[rm]CR[rm]C[murky: real game
zee [9k\]: game
]
(;W[qq]CR[qq]C[FlowerKing [6k\]: s7 is strange
])
(;W[qm]CR[qm]C[ticktock [14k\]: aji keshi
Scribe [?\]: helps black fix his mistake
agui [7k\]: Black S6
ligo [8k?\]: s8
wholeboard [9k\]: heavy
wingnut [-\]: bad move 
]
(;B[rn]CR[rn]C[wingnut [-\]: to small?
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[zee [9k\]: B missed the opportunity
]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[fq]CR[fq]C[zee [9k\]: r3 first before c6
]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[zee [9k\]: wrong choice move for B
zee [9k\]: d8
]
(;B[dl]CR[dl]C[rarr [6k?\]: i like black
Nezumii [11k\]: no good
bonobo03 [9k\]: better C9
okhna [14k\]: arms are up
agui [7k\]: no good
DrGoPlayer [5k?\]: p4 wall is wasted
murky: about same
Xfactor [9k\]: c11
agui [7k\]: white can come in
playgo [5k\]: w C10 ?
Jakobicek [11k\]: w has sente this is bad for b
murky: W sente
agui [7k\]: C10
swilks [7k\]: black'sshape on left side is funny
zee [9k\]: W has d12
Scribe [?\]: three corners played, three mistakes
]
(;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[fd]CR[fd]LB[dh:A]C[ligo [8k?\]: o17
murky: W's good
])
(;W[qc]CR[qc]LB[pc:B][qd:A]C[wingnut [-\]: no good for B
goglu [-\]: R16 
ligo [8k?\]: p13
Nezumii [11k\]: q17
agui [7k\]: q17
rarr [6k?\]: d14
offtosea [16k\]: q17
akew [20k?\]: q17
agui [7k\]: B
Nezumii [11k\]: b
BrunnenG [17k\]: B
hansb [4k?\]: A
Edge [12k\]: B
murky: B
zee [9k\]: B has to choice?
akew [20k?\]: b
lepenski [4k\]: b
drunkendog [11k\]: a
bonobo03 [9k\]: B
GralAnibal [11k\]: b
rarr [6k?\]: b
PeterPwan: a
Scribe [?\]: black must choose A or B, must not tenuki
Grimley [8k\]: b
Yoru [17k\]: b
rakdver [12k\]: B
zee [9k\]: A or B
GralAnibal [11k\]: B
murky: A too slow
tibra [25k?\]: b
Nezumii [11k\]: B
goglu [-\]: A can keep the corner with a double hane
akew [20k?\]: B because of bR13
Nezumii [11k\]: i say C
wholeboard [9k\]: a
FLgator [6k\]: both not good
GralAnibal [11k\]: "block on the widest side"?
Pena [-\]: P15 ^^
murky: What's the real game?
hansb [4k?\]: play for sente
rince [14k?\]: tell us ^^
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[wingnut [-\]: always exceptions to proverbs :P
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[zee [9k\]: after W m17, B is in damger
]
(;B[qe]CR[qe]C[zee [9k\]: game
]
;W[re]CR[re]
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[zee [9k\]: hard for B to s14
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[zee [9k\]: b should p15
]
(;W[sd]CR[sd]C[swilks [7k\]: p15
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]TR[pe][rf]C[zee [9k\]: good for B
Scribe [?\]: good for Black
])
(;W[oe]CR[oe]C[Scribe [?\]: White failed to exploit black
Scribe [?\]: splits black
Scribe [?\]: key move
zee [9k\]: good for W
zee [9k\]: then game is good for B
murky: subtle difference
zee [9k\]: this way better for W
Nezumii [11k\]: kill the cutting stone. :a
swilks [7k\]: yes.
murky: Sure
kalistek [11k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes thank you 
wholeboard [9k\]: yes, clear
drschlaper [17k\]: yes
Jakobicek [11k\]: yup
ELNegus [-\]: yes :)
swilks [7k\]: in upper left, was it ok not to play f16?
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[zee [9k\]: but W can play p15
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
(;B[nf]CR[nf]C[guojuan [5p\]: because there are white stones around
zee [9k\]: now B cannot kill 2 B stones
Scribe [?\]: the two white stones are unkillable
goglu [-\]: Q13 
guojuan [5p\]: both sides are white stones
Scribe [?\]: q13 will damage right side stones
]
(;W[pg]CR[pg]TR[oi]C[hansb [4k?\]: Q13
Nezumii [11k\]: what is tesuji?
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[guojuan [5p\]: in this case white can play at p15
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ng]CR[ng]C[zee [9k\]: tesuji to escape
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[ne]CR[ne])
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[GralAnibal [11k\]: p13
]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[goglu [-\]: nice
]))
(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ne]CR[ne]))
(;B[ne]CR[ne]C[hansb [4k?\]: O16
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Nezumii [11k\]: everything can be killed.
]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Scribe [?\]: the outside is bigger for white than the corner
])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[goglu [-\]: guzumi = good empty triangle.
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[of]CR[of]C[Scribe [?\]: gozumi !
Nezumii [11k\]: gozumi?
Nezumii [11k\]: what is gozumi?
]))
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
(;B[oe]CR[oe])
(;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[og]CR[og])
(;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[nd]CR[nd])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[zee [9k\]: B has no time to peep at q12
Nezumii [11k\]: bumbum? what is that
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[of]CR[of])
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[of]CR[of]))
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[goglu [-\]: bumbum = white is caught :)
zee [9k\]: o14 first
]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[of]CR[of]C[zee [9k\]: hard for B to kill
]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[md]CR[md])
(;W[md]CR[md]))))))
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Nezumii [11k\]: what makes it empty?
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[zee [9k\]: b has to connect
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]LB[lc:A]
;W[eg]CR[eg]LB[lc:A][qg:B]C[Scribe [?\]: good for white
zee [9k\]: good for W
zee [9k\]: W takes sente
]))
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Nezumii [11k\]: go is for old men
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pf]CR[pf]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[offtosea [16k\]: clear - still using lower black wall
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[zee [9k\]: how about r16?
goglu [-\]: O18 
Chachi [10k\]: o18
swilks [7k\]: o18
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[GralAnibal [11k\]: o17
akew [20k?\]: o18
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[zee [9k\]: where for B now?
]
;B[od]CR[od]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[zee [9k\]: ladder good for B
]
;B[mc]CR[mc])
(;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[wholeboard [9k\]: yes
kalistek [11k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes
Nezumii [11k\]: no
drschlaper [17k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yesç
wingnut [-\]: clear, thx
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[ng]TR[lc][mc][ld][md][me][mf][nf][ng][oi][qi][ql][qm]C[offtosea [16k\]: big moyo for white
]
(;W[mg]CR[mg]C[zee [9k\]: W is weak on left
zee [9k\]: on right
offtosea [16k\]: ah
]
;B[nh]CR[nh])
(;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[mg]CR[mg])))))
(;B[df]CR[df]TR[cn][bp]C[zee [9k\]: b should d14 to develop left side
wingnut [-\]: ok
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[do]CR[do]TR[df][mn][mp]C[Scribe [?\]: the two stones at c6 and b4 are fine, black does not need to worry about them
zee [9k\]: B is attacking this way
][Scribe [?\]: the two stones at c6 and b4 are fine, black does not need to worry about them
zee [9k\]: B is attacking this way
]))
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
(;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Excell2 [17k\]: can white play R2 before M4?
]
;B[iq]CR[iq]LB[kr:A]C[zee [9k\]: joseki was right but B made a big mistake
Scribe [?\]: black should invade here at j3
zee [9k\]: this would be better
]
(;W[jq]CR[jq]C[Nezumii [11k\]: tenuki
zee [9k\]: B can continue at l2
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
(;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[fq]CR[fq])
(;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[jn]CR[jn]C[zee [9k\]: nice for B
]))
(;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[io]CR[io]C[zee [9k\]: good for B
Scribe [?\]: good fro black
]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[kr]CR[kr]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[im]CR[im]))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[cn]LB[cn:C][qq:B][pr:A]C[zee [9k\]: now c6 is possible
])))
(;B[rl]CR[rl]C[agui [7k\]: it's an error
]
(;W[qk]CR[qk]C[Scribe [?\]: black punishes white
zee [9k\]: r7 is a mistake, B can s8
]
;B[qn]CR[qn]TR[rl][qm]C[agui [7k\]: great !
Scribe [?\]: by playing at s8
goglu [-\]: nice
rarr [6k?\]: wow
Scribe [?\]: now white is baseless
])
(;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qn]CR[qn]LB[pj:A][rl:C][qm:B]))))))
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[md]CR[md]C[zee [9k\]: B should depend on his lower right wall to attack k16
]
(;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[fg]CR[fg]C[offtosea [16k\]: good
]
(;W[di]CR[di]
;B[jh]CR[jh]C[kyrilin [15k\]: uses p4 wall
wingnut [-\]: ahh
zee [9k\]: this is better for B
])
(;W[jh]CR[jh]
;B[dh]CR[dh]))
(;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ie]CR[ie])))))))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]))
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
(;W[qc]CR[qc])
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[zee [9k\]: answer to homework
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
(;B[pe]CR[pe])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
(;B[md]CR[md])
(;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[roussos [12k\]: what homework?
goglu [-\]: P19 
goglu [-\]: white kills with P19
bonobo03 [9k\]: black to play and live
kyrilin [15k\]: yes
Chachi [10k\]: who turn?
Pena [-\]: ^^
offtosea [16k\]: black's turn
Nezumii [11k\]: r18 :o
goglu [-\]: black lives easily :)
kyrilin [15k\]: ah 
kyrilin [15k\]: b dead
Pena [-\]: how long is this lesson?
peepo [?\]: p19
bison [8k\]: ok
zee [9k\]: W to play
kyrilin [15k\]: q19
bison [8k\]: bye
Pena [-\]: :)
bison [8k\]: thanks
drunkendog [11k\]: r19
wholeboard [9k\]: thanks for the lesson
bonobo03 [9k\]: thank you
esuomikim [19k\]: thank You : )
Yoru [17k\]: thx a lot
Pena [-\]: thanks
zee [9k\]: postpone to next week
kalistek [11k\]: thank you
roussos [12k\]: thank you 
gargantua [20k\]: thx
Marilyn [12k\]: thx
golawyer2 [8k?\]: thx
bonobo03 [9k\]: bye
jenofonte [21k?\]: thx u
offtosea [16k\]: Thanks Mingjui!
erikk [2d?\]: thanks
goglu [-\]: thanks !!!
rakdver [12k\]: thank you
GralAnibal [11k\]: thx
au2 [3k\]: thank you
nux [23k\]: thanks
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
])))))