(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-05-15]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: hi :)
andrew [2k\]: will this use audio?
Koreangrl8 [18k\]: Yes
Shindou [9k\]: hi
Shindou [9k\]: what will jujo over today?
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: be patient we will know it in some minutes :)
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[doblezeta [15k\]: a souvenir's store ^^
liquis [16k\]: i dont hear anything
Scribe [-\]: Very common fuseki at this time
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Shindou [9k\]: mini chinese
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Shindou [9k\]: awsome
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[pn]CR[pn]C[Shindou [9k\]: ooo
ADORENARIN [?\]: o fine
groove [2k\]: yes
ADORENARIN [?\]: yeah
hansb [4k?\]: ok
Shindou [9k\]: yes
Shindou [9k\]: interesting
braincrash [?\]: could be llouder
DangoMouse [-\]: guys, please don't just type stuff for the sake of typing it....
wingnut [-\]: audio is fine
GralAnibal [12k\]: audio is too low
]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: let him put the game in place he will surely turn up after
TCN [12k\]: china ?
Bodo212 [15k\]: audio is ok here - since my new earclip
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[grumpy [2d\]: audio is fine - use volume control
]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[liquis [16k\]: k
Scribe [-\]: this way favors white
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
(;B[jp]CR[jp]C[zasxcd: recent pro game
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: black f3 prevents white kick(e3)  and invasion (high, k4) to reduce moyo
braincrash [?\]: cant hear now
TCN [12k\]: 9p>9d ? 9d>9p ?
playgo [5k\]: is white overconcentrated ?
]
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: white is spending lot of mves on this corner 
Scribe [-\]: white shape in to top right very strong, very safe
]
(;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Scribe [-\]: invade just before the last move that converts the moyo to territory...hard problem to identify the right timing, even for 9p
]
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
(;W[db]CR[db]C[andrew [2k\]: is it possible to number the moves?
TCN [12k\]: speak china ???
Scribe [-\]: white d18 not urgent
Bodo212 [15k\]: no
asterixnon [8k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: white d18 big, not urgent
cjr [6d?\]: The move number is shown on top, and in the game tree
]
;B[km]CR[km]C[hansb [4k?\]: you can see the move number in the 'tree'
Shindou [9k\]: moyo game?
andrew [2k\]: tool --> number moves (I think)
ADORENARIN [?\]: ok
Brutha [9k\]: doesn't r8 still work?
grumpy [2d\]: Good reading Shindou
]
(;W[hq]CR[hq]
(;B[jq]CR[jq]C[npk196 [12k\]: W can get out
npk196 [12k\]: H5?
TCN [12k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: dont try to capture white h3, will be too easy for white to get out, reduce moyo
TCN [12k\]: gi` the em
TCN [12k\]: 10k noi H5 ko tot ki`
zee [10k\]: right side too bid
hansb [4k?\]: R5
hansb [4k?\]: TCN is vietnamese
TCN [12k\]: Khoi a`
npk196 [12k\]: W G4?
ligo [8k?\]: q2?
]
(;W[qo]CR[qo]C[TCN [12k\]: van co nay sau copy lai dc nhi ?
ADORENARIN [?\]: g4too small
npk196 [12k\]: dc
TCN [12k\]: de sau xem cung duoc nhi ?
npk196 [12k\]: no audio
]
(;B[po]CR[po]C[GralAnibal [12k\]: audio is not ok... low , out of tune and broekn
npk196 [12k\]: why not B R6?
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[TCN [12k\]: the vi du anh va em danh voi nhau thi` co noi chuyen bang audio dc khong ?
zee [10k\]: B decided to make terr on the outside
]
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[TCN [12k\]: yes
npk196 [12k\]: sorry TCN want to chat with me
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[DangoMouse [-\]: well do it in private please
TCN [12k\]: gi` the em
]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[npk196 [12k\]: anh im lang di
grumpy [2d\]: use a phone
TCN [12k\]: ok
]
(;W[rn]CR[rn]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: no :s
ivoSF [4k\]: all else fails so its simple deduction
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: sandbaggers
]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[rs]CR[rs]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: ;)
Scribe [-\]: even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while 
juve [19k\]: hehe
wingnut [-\]: hehe
andrew [2k\]: lol
Ruutana [14k\]: Heheh
Yoru [17k\]: lol
juve [19k\]: mean
]
(;B[fo]CR[fo]C[black2001 [7k\]: b t5 
black2001 [7k\]: w t4
playgo [5k\]: T2 
]
(;W[fm]CR[fm]
(;B[el]CR[el]
(;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[go]CR[go]C[Scribe [-\]: black e8 very strong move
]
(;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[hm]CR[hm]C[Scribe [-\]: forces white to make black stronger on the bottom
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]C[Scribe [-\]: black moyo is almost territory now
]
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[aq]CR[aq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[hl]CR[hl]C[wingnut [-\]: W G8 B H8  - this exchange is good for B 
Scribe [-\]: in the endgame black made an error and white was able to exploit the mistake and win the game
Scribe [-\]: thanks to the Ing Foundation for sponsoring today's game review
ADORENARIN [?\]: thanks to you and ing =) 
wholeboard [8k\]: thank you!
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
ihgo [5k\]: thanks a lot
murky: thx much
hansb [4k?\]: thank you, very interesting
kalistek [12k\]: thank you
esuomikim [18k\]: thank You very much : )
asterixnon [8k\]: thx
offtosea [16k\]: thanks!
Vilzu [3k\]: Thank you
NeoNight [3k\]: thx very much :)
murky: good nite
juve [19k\]: thx
Ruutana [14k\]: Thank you!
FatJoe [-\]: dzieki
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx 
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO JUJO
Scribe [-\]: dont forget the homework !
asterixnon [8k\]: very much
ADORENARIN [?\]: that was really gret !
wivan [12k\]: thank you
Excell2 [17k\]: thanks!
andrew [2k\]: thanks!
salome [15k?\]: thx
wingnut [-\]: xie xie jujo, ing foundation
Parr [28k\]: thank you
Janez [2k\]: thx
CloudNine [17k\]: thanks
Brutha [9k\]: thx
Ahndraniel [16k\]: thanks
olczyk [16k\]: What move did black make an error on>
rakdver [14k\]: thank you
Chachi [10k\]: thanks
Wook [-\]: Thank you, have a nice week :)
patanjali0 [7k\]: thank you
agui [7k\]: thank you very much
playgo [5k\]: thanks very much
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie jujo!
zepherin [14k\]: thx
tiger [2d\]: thanks and bye
ADORENARIN [?\]: tansk a lot =)
olczyk [16k\]: Thank you.
Kikuchyo [?\]: thank you jujo
CarlBarks [18k\]: thx
sekikawa [16k\]: thx
bonobo03 [9k\]: thank you
offtosea [16k\]: bye
Heretix [20k\]: Thanks Jiang lao shi
asterixnon [8k\]: thx you very much
maruseru [15k?\]: thank you
rhubarb [6k\]: thx jujo
Xikkuh [20k\]: thx
zimazima [4k?\]: thank
npk196 [12k\]: thx
kjp [7k\]: tak
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]C[zasxcd: 2005-05-09: Choi Cheolhan(Black) vs. Park Yeonghun(White) W+0.5
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[gk]CR[gk]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[gj]CR[gj]C[wingnut [-\]: 16th Kisung?
janine [11k\]: the last game for korean kisei title
]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[murky: aodiu
Shindou [9k\]: music in my ear
GralAnibal [12k\]: quiet pls
murky: me too
npk196 [12k\]: I can't hear anything
ADORENARIN [?\]: wait
ted [?\]: me neither
tiger [2d\]: me neither
ADORENARIN [?\]: hello
janine [11k\]: hello
Xikkuh [20k\]: hi
tiger [2d\]: ooo
rakdver [14k\]: hi
Excell2 [17k\]: hi
hansb [4k?\]: hello
Shindou [9k\]: hello mr.jujo
murky: Hi,
npk196 [12k\]: ok
markag [21k?\]: y
groove [2k\]: yes
janine [11k\]: yes
Shindou [9k\]: yes
Ruutana [14k\]: Hello
braincrash [?\]: hi
Bodo212 [15k\]: hello yes
Scribe [-\]: yes we can
ADORENARIN [?\]: =)
Leonie [25k?\]: hi..
rohff2813 [5k\]: hi jujo 
murky: we hear you 
Kikuchyo [?\]: hello
kalistek [12k\]: hi
offtosea [16k\]: hi
Ralf [17k\]: hello
TCN [12k\]: yes
GralAnibal [12k\]: very low
Hu [12k\]: Yes, clear, thanks.
TCN [12k\]: ok
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: hi
Bodo212 [15k\]: now we hear
juve [19k\]: hey
smuin [?\]: hello
Q [8k\]: hello :)
Scribe [-\]: ni hao jujo laoshi
esuomikim [18k\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hi
juve [19k\]: hi china
TCN [12k\]: yes yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: good afternoon
TCN [12k\]: hi Khoi
Shindou [9k\]: wat kyu should i be to understand most of this lecture?
bonobo03 [9k\]: 9
npk196 [12k\]: 9p ^^
Scribe [-\]: 2005-05-09: Choi Cheolhan(Black) vs. Park Yeonghun(White) W+0.5
Scribe [-\]: Last game of Kisung Title Match
])
(;B[er]CR[er]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not block due to white e
Scribe [-\]: e5
]
(;B[fp]CR[fp]C[NeoNight [3k\]: no aji anymore
]
(;W[gl]CR[gl])
(;W[hc]CR[hc]))
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[gn]CR[gn])))
(;W[gk]CR[gk]C[Scribe [-\]: big difference game still balances
]
(;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[gh]CR[gh])
(;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[zee [10k\]: better than game
Scribe [-\]: better than real game for white
])))
(;W[em]CR[em]
;B[dl]CR[dl]))
(;B[hn]CR[hn]C[grumpy [2d\]: t5,t4,t2,t6
zee [10k\]: f7 huge
Brutha [9k\]: g7
]))
(;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[wivan [12k\]: ah
Scribe [-\]: atari (r6) is bad, white wants this exchange
andrew [2k\]: t5:)
grumpy [2d\]: not t5
])
(;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[el]CR[el]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Yoru [17k\]: but true ^^
]
;W[ro]CR[ro]))
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[DangoMouse [-\]: you guys will be booted if you keep flooding here.....
Jakobicek [11k\]: s7?
zee [10k\]: Why s6 instead of r6?
playgo [5k\]: b can capture H3 now ?
Scribe [-\]: why did white choose gote life by playing s6 in place of r6 ?
zepherin [14k\]: because black can ignore?
Kulai [14k\]: later can atttactR10?
DangoMouse [-\]: r7
grumpy [2d\]: s7?
wholeboard [8k\]: s7
tiger [2d\]: s7
Kikuchyo [?\]: q7?
CarlBarks [18k\]: r7-s7s6-s5-s8?
EkinOne [13k\]: R10 stone can support B group?
Osiris [7k\]: double hane?
au2 [3k\]: S7 for b ?
]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[zee [10k\]: too easy for W this way
]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[ho]CR[ho]C[Scribe [-\]: white gets sente life
])
(;B[rm]CR[rm]
(;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Brutha [9k\]: s6
npk196 [12k\]: W can get out,i think
]
(;B[rn]CR[rn]C[Brutha [9k\]: no
npk196 [12k\]: R8?
TCN [12k\]: S5
Xris [-\]: lol
zee [10k\]: B s6 worries W
]
(;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rk]CR[rk]C[Brutha [9k\]: kgs ranking system suxx
]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: =)
npk196 [12k\]: bad for  W
])
(;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: lol 
juve [19k\]: kgs's kyu is strong!
Heretix [20k\]: hehe
rohff2813 [5k\]: kyu are so strong
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Scribe [-\]: black q9 is a key move
]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[TCN [12k\]: P6
Scribe [-\]: hard for white to live
zee [10k\]: terrible for W
bauoc [24k\]: tra thay ban co dau
]
(;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[mm]CR[mm])
(;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[bauoc [24k\]: thao oi
]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[ml]CR[ml]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: cut
]))
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[Chachi [10k\]: q10
olczyk [16k\]: Q8
agui [7k\]: q8
zepherin [14k\]: R8
playgo [5k\]: P8 
zee [10k\]: what is next for B?
]
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[olczyk [16k\]: Why not P9 instead of Q9?
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[mm]CR[mm]C[Scribe [-\]: bad for black
]
;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[no]CR[no])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[ok]CR[ok]C[Heretix [20k\]: Q8?
npk196 [12k\]: Q8
au2 [3k\]: b Q8 ?
zee [10k\]: q10 does not work
rhubarb [6k\]: p9
])
(;B[pl]CR[pl]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: then cut
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[zee [10k\]: q8 is right
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[om]CR[om]C[Heretix [20k\]: :)
]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[zee [10k\]: hard for W to live
]))))
(;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[rn]CR[rn]))
(;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: white chose gote life because of black s7
EkinOne [13k\]: good for B
]))))
(;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[zee [10k\]: not easy to kill W
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[tiger [2d\]: stop flooding TCN we want to hear
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[TCN [12k\]: tiger ?
ADORENARIN [?\]: great life
DangoMouse [-\]: TCN please go elsewhere if you want to chat
tiger [2d\]: no excessive traffic pls
]))
(;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[TCN [12k\]: nhung xem truc tiep thi` de hieu ho'n 
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[TCN [12k\]: ^_^
grumpy [2d\]: audio ok here - check you speakers
TCN [12k\]: ha ha
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[npk196 [12k\]: ok ok
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[TCN [12k\]: hoi hieu nham em noi ha
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[braincrash [?\]: sound breaking up
Leonie [25k?\]: yes..
]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[olczyk [16k\]: From the aji of R10.
wingnut [-\]: just a bit of net congestion... long way from Shanghai ;-)
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: sound ok 
patanjali0 [7k\]: yes sound interruptred
zee [10k\]: this way is hard for B
]))
(;W[ho]CR[ho]C[TCN [12k\]: anh chang hieu may
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[npk196 [12k\]: em noi dung roi
npk196 [12k\]: H5 de thoat ra
TCN [12k\]: noi tieng Trung hay tieng Anh vay
zee [10k\]: W h5 not good
DangoMouse [-\]: TCN there are plenty of chinese lectures on TOM
Xris [-\]: p3
GralAnibal [12k\]: w = R8
])
(;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[TCN [12k\]: vang
TCN [12k\]: yes
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: around R4 ? invade ?
DangoMouse [-\]: yeah, but before he asked him to speak chinese
]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[nm]CR[nm]C[Heretix [20k\]: Please don't disturb the lecture by chatting here
]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[tiger [2d\]: r5
ADORENARIN [?\]: sure
]))
(;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: black L7 very difficult move for white
]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[jo]CR[jo]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: and get out 
]))
(;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[nm]CR[nm]))
(;W[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: after d9 the lower left corner becomes big
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[jn]CR[jn]C[Scribe [-\]: very successful for white
]
;W[lm]CR[lm]C[Scribe [-\]: better timing...the left side is strengthened before invading the black moyo at m3
Scribe [-\]: black can not play this invasion now (c8)
]
(;B[cl]CR[cl])
(;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [-\]: after white m7, the right side is still not territory for black
])))
(;B[km]CR[km]
(;W[hq]CR[hq])
(;W[ql]CR[ql])))
(;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[qn]CR[qn])
(;W[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: dont invade moyo too early
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [-\]: black gets good attack and then invades in response
Scribe [-\]: therefore make sure you have no weak groups/stones before invading the moyo
Xikkuh [20k\]: C2 is good....
hansb [4k?\]: do not invade too early!
ADORENARIN [?\]: ^^
Xikkuh [20k\]: ok
EkinOne [13k\]: i would make good shape n wall b4 attack
]))
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[murky: Yes
ADORENARIN [?\]: okay
Scribe [-\]: black 17 (r10) too close to white strength in top right
Brutha [9k\]: yeah
zee [10k\]: r9 better for B
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: white r11 move is small, easy to hit on top of r11
]
;B[pi]CR[pi])
(;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[Scribe [-\]: after white invasion of corner black can play much more aggressively than in the game because balck r9 is closer
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: oh okayy
])))
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: usually big for Black to extend at r15
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[jp]CR[jp]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Shindou [9k\]: long joseki
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[Scribe [-\]: audio at full volume still very quiet
]
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[VVeakling [?\]: audio is fine here
Shindou [9k\]: good reading
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[sobi [10k\]: ok here too
])
(;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder does not work for black
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[pe]CR[pe])))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[Shindou [9k\]: ooo
Scribe [-\]: mini-chinese opening for black
]))