(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-05-15]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[murky: Hi MIngJiu Lao Shi
ADORENARIN [?\]: hi =)
agui [7k\]: Hello
hansb [4k?\]: hello
Kamiah [?\]: hi
Excell2 [17k\]: hello :)
Brutha [9k\]: hi
wholeboard [8k\]: hi
Heretix [20k\]: hello :)
bucko [11k\]: Hi!!
Ruutana [14k\]: Hello. :)
ADORENARIN [?\]: yhes
rakdver [14k\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hi
wholeboard [8k\]: yes
Excell2 [17k\]: yes
Brutha [9k\]: yeah
agui [7k\]: yes clear
Scribe [-\]: Ni Hao, very well well
Janez [2k\]: jes
offtosea [16k\]: yes, good day!
EkinOne [13k\]: hihi
ADORENARIN [?\]: sounds good !
asterixnon [8k\]: hello
bonobo03 [9k\]: yes
ADORENARIN [?\]: yeah good sound today !!
Heretix [20k\]: hahahahaaha
ADORENARIN [?\]: lol
EkinOne [13k\]: ask himto get a brand new mic :D
offtosea [16k\]: ha ha!
Scribe [-\]: half stone perhaps
murky: You beat him last year, right?
bonobo03 [9k\]: sure
Wook [-\]: sure :)
offtosea [16k\]: sure
hansb [4k?\]: yes interesting
ADORENARIN [?\]: yes 
agui [7k\]: yes
olczyk [16k\]: What number move did Black make the yose mistake?
zee [10k\]: pro game very advanced
Wook [-\]: mingjiu if you have some minutes: How did you first get interested in Go and how did you study?
Excell2 [17k\]: helps us think like pros
olczyk [16k\]: I lerarned from Honinbo game--don't play L5.
Wook [-\]: chachi try it at home at your board if you own one
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Ahndraniel [16k\]: thanks
rakdver [14k\]: thank you
drschlaper [17k\]: thanks 
esuomikim [18k\]: thank You very much : )
juve [19k\]: thank
olczyk [16k\]: thank you
Wook [-\]: thank you :)
zimazima [4k?\]: thx
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[zee [10k\]: Homework analysis first
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
(;W[aa]CR[aa]C[NeoNight [3k\]: in my opinion thats not where black took an advantage in the game cauz black didnt punish white 
])
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[bonobo03 [9k\]: last week
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[mb]CR[mb]LB[oa:A][sc:B]C[Scribe [-\]: Proverb: on third line, four die, six live
bonobo03 [9k\]: T 17
Kumquat [1d\]: P19 
hansb [4k?\]: P19 kills, Q19 gets a ko only
os69os [7k\]: s19
wingnut [-\]: B dead
esuomikim [18k\]: monkey jump to kill in my oppinion
Kumquat [1d\]: P19 kills
NeoNight [3k\]: hane give death 
Brutha [9k\]: p19
NeoNight [3k\]: T 17 first
maruseru [15k?\]: t17 then q19
bonobo03 [9k\]: T 17
ADORENARIN [?\]: t17 !
zee [10k\]: W s19 not good
]
(;B[ad]CR[ad]C[Heretix [20k\]: ok
EkinOne [13k\]: can B block at R18 juz now?
Kulai [14k\]: can I play at S18 
ADORENARIN [?\]: =)
Chachi [10k\]: that problem is too tricky for me
rhubarb [6k\]: got it
ADORENARIN [?\]: don't complain ^^ 
]
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[bonobo03 [9k\]: S19
wingnut [-\]: S19 
EkinOne [13k\]: p19
tidbit [?\]: s19
esuomikim [18k\]: s19
maruseru [15k?\]: q19
EkinOne [13k\]: ops
zimazima [4k?\]: s19
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[nutcase [1k\]: P19 is a simple kill...
nutcase [1k\]: not T17...
])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[zee [10k\]: remember shape
EkinOne [13k\]: lol
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[hansb [4k?\]: O19
wingnut [-\]: yes
Heretix [20k\]: if its black's move now, does black play O18 to prevent the jump?
]
;W[na]CR[na]C[Scribe [-\]: baby monkey
esuomikim [18k\]: yeah i ment this ^^'
zee [10k\]: p19 is correct here
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Kumquat [1d\]: R18 
hansb [4k?\]: R18
VVeakling [?\]: s19
zee [10k\]: W kills
]
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[esuomikim [18k\]: W: S19 or T18 
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[hansb [4k?\]: T17
Jakobicek [11k\]: t17
Dreggo [6k\]: b shouldn't play p18
]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[EkinOne [13k\]: S19
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[hansb [4k?\]: S19
nutcase [1k\]: yep
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Kumquat [1d\]: classic shape
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[nutcase [1k\]: ko like this...
]))
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[EkinOne [13k\]: it wont work
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[zee [10k\]: monkey jump not good
]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[zee [10k\]: now B lives
]
(;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[oa]CR[oa])))
(;B[rb]CR[rb])))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Wook [-\]: playing "all" variations helps to learn
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: okay 
zee [10k\]: Now to a game between two 4d players
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[murky: move 14
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[liquis [16k\]: see, the sound is lagged
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[Brutha [9k\]: thats joseki?
]
;B[be]CR[be]C[Kumquat [1d\]: H16 
bonobo03 [9k\]: NO   go on
ihgo [5k\]: white 14 is not joseki ?
wholeboard [8k\]: no
os69os [7k\]: f17
zee [10k\]: in game W played r6 (nit urgent)
wingnut [-\]: so B H16 urgent and big?
]
(;W[ic]LB[bc:11][cc:10][dc:12][gc:7][ic:14][kc:C][cd:3][ed:6][hd:B][id:D][pd:1][be:13][fe:8][ge:A][df:9][dp:4][qp:2][oq:5]C[ticktock [14k\]: okay
Kanin [1d\]: no :)
murky: moe 14 and 16 all not seem right
NeoNight [3k\]: H 16 is the joseki i know :p
agui [7k\]: don't know
ihgo [5k\]: why not black G17 to punish white ?
ihgo [5k\]: *G15
agui [7k\]: H16
VVeakling [?\]: h16?
maruseru [15k?\]: h16
Ahndraniel [16k\]: h16
Chachi [10k\]: L17
Scribe [-\]: not joseki move (white j17)
hansb [4k?\]: H16
zee [10k\]: j17 not joseki
zee [10k\]: how can B punish it?
Excell2 [17k\]: l17
kjp [7k\]: j16
zepherin [14k\]: J15
wingnut [-\]: J16 
Medice [14k\]: h16..
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: A
agui [7k\]: B
Bodo212 [15k\]: B
Ruutana [14k\]: B
hansb [4k?\]: B
QWerner [17k\]: b
VVeakling [?\]: B
Ahndraniel [16k\]: B
rhubarb [6k\]: a
nothingman [15k\]: a
ic3man [2k\]: a
sobi [10k\]: a
Brutha [9k\]: c
os69os [7k\]: a
wholeboard [8k\]: a
CarlBarks [18k\]: b
tobe30k [14k\]: D ^^
snowmen [2d\]: a
rince [18k?\]: b
black2001 [7k\]: a
Excell2 [17k\]: a can be cut i think
Pasukaru [20k\]: a
Kumquat [1d\]: A looks good
takagawa [?\]: b
kjp [7k\]: a
zee [10k\]: A or B
naampeter: a
ic3man [2k\]: lol
zimazima [4k?\]: b
rince [18k?\]: sstrike
wingnut [-\]: yes
Ahndraniel [16k\]: yes
Brutha [9k\]: yes
bonobo03 [9k\]: yes
VVeakling [?\]: yes!
hansb [4k?\]: agreed
agui [7k\]: yes
Kanin [1d\]: agree :)
offtosea [16k\]: ok
black2001 [7k\]: yes 
zee [10k\]: B should split w two weak groups... cannot tenuki
Scribe [-\]: black must split white into two weak groups
Wook [-\]: hard not to agree :)
QWerner [17k\]: h16
bonobo03 [9k\]: B
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: yes that is joseki
tobe30k [14k\]: i think, play all variation in the head helps to learn, not on the board
]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]TR[be][df]C[NeoNight [3k\]: J 17 
murky: j17 
murky: W 16 strange
tobe30k [14k\]: ^^
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: attacks strong group
kjp [7k\]: up against blacks stones
NeoNight [3k\]: couldn t black play L 17 to build territorial framwork and make W eat his stone in G 17 ? 
wingnut [-\]: neither player seem to understand H16 is urgent
murky: no
][NeoNight [3k\]: J 17 
murky: j17 
murky: W 16 strange
tobe30k [14k\]: ^^
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: attacks strong group
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[tiger [2d\]: these are 4d??
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[wingnut [-\]: strong at tenuki
rhubarb [6k\]: ^^
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[kjp [7k\]: D10 too close to B stones?
Wook [-\]: tobe30k true if you are a bit advanced, at the beginning a board really helps :)
hansb [4k?\]: J17
murky: audio
Tarkam [?\]: no sound ?
VVeakling [?\]: connection problems?
hansb [4k?\]: no sound
tobe30k [14k\]: ^^
zee [10k\]: W made a mstake first but result now is good for W
]
(;W[eg]CR[eg]C[hansb [4k?\]: aha
murky: better
VVeakling [?\]: there we go
ADORENARIN [?\]: he is putting the stones wait
Wook [-\]: ah sound is back...server hickup
Hu [12k\]: Sound is good.
Bodo212 [15k\]: I have sound
TCN [12k\]: ^_^
wingnut [-\]: hehe
]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]C[DnF [8k\]: i just came, i can hear fine
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Kulai [14k\]: yes
vee [9k?\]: no, i like it
EkinOne [13k\]: yup
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]C[wingnut [-\]: is awake
]
(;W[dh]CR[dh]C[wingnut [-\]: B E14 W F14 exchange is bad for B, aji keshi
vee [9k?\]: i agree!
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[ci]CR[ci]TR[ef]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: yeah
esuomikim [18k\]: yes
Excell2 [17k\]: yes
VVeakling [?\]: yes
Brutha [9k\]: yes
Wook [-\]: yes
kalistek [11k\]: yes
tobe30k [14k\]: yyeah
wholeboard [8k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
bonobo03 [9k\]: yes
ADORENARIN [?\]: no prob 
CarlBarks [18k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: yes we can hear very wll
Hu [12k\]: Loud and clear
tobe30k [14k\]: ^^
ihgo [5k\]: sound's fine
QWerner [17k\]: jes
Medice [14k\]: lag
VVeakling [?\]: exchange bad for black
Brutha [9k\]: why no atari on e12?
wingnut [-\]: Good for W
murky: D10 is waisted
ic3man [2k\]: thank you move
VVeakling [?\]: the whole sequence
drschlaper [17k\]: e14
bonobo03 [9k\]: white repaired his mistake
NeoNight [3k\]: good for black cauz he got cash territories and W still have weaknesses
Kumquat [1d\]: hard for black to run with G17 now
drschlaper [17k\]: woo hoo
wingnut [-\]: another squirrel?
zee [10k\]: W already has a weak stone in corner
]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Ahndraniel [16k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: net lag
rhubarb [6k\]: 2
zee [10k\]: r12 not good
EkinOne [13k\]: 2 hands :D
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[ic3man [2k\]: lol
Tarkam [?\]: yes
EkinOne [13k\]: kosumi nicer :D
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[liquis [16k\]: hehe
ADORENARIN [?\]: aw
zee [10k\]: W should help weak stone first
EkinOne [13k\]: like tat w help b live n get corner
blue88 [-\]: l17? :)
drschlaper [17k\]: Q12 
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: now w has two weak stones on right side
bonobo03 [9k\]: Q5
wingnut [-\]: P12 
Chachi [10k\]: p12
zepherin [14k\]: R13?
hansb [4k?\]: N15
EkinOne [13k\]: uh
]
(;B[me]CR[me]C[wingnut [-\]: N15 
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[offtosea [16k\]: fine
Wook [-\]: sound test: try to sing your favourite chinese song for us :)
esuomikim [18k\]: we can here you : )
QWerner [17k\]: ok
ADORENARIN [?\]: okay
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: ok can hear
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Hu [12k\]: Sound is ok.
murky: can we repeat this again?
bonobo03 [9k\]: m15
murky: p4
QWerner [17k\]: no
kjp [7k\]: no
EkinOne [13k\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
patanjali0 [7k\]: noooo
]
(;B[le]CR[le]C[VVeakling [?\]: p11
Jakobicek [11k\]: q10 first
murky: Q10
]
(;W[oh]CR[oh]C[murky: harder now
zepherin [14k\]: S10
QWerner [17k\]: q11
agui [7k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: too slow?
braincrash [?\]: too late
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[murky: quickly
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: p11 bettrer than p12
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[mh]LB[pb:32][bc:11][cc:10][dc:12][gc:7][ic:14][nc:20][qc:34][cd:3][ed:6][ld:36][pd:1][qd:35][be:13][fe:8][le:37][me:33][df:9][ef:23][ff:24][pf:21][dg:25][eg:22][ch:27][dh:26][eh:28][mh:41][oh:38][ph:40][qh:30][ci:29][pi:39][dj:16][qk:31][dn:18][qn:15][dp:4][ip:19][qp:2][fq:17][oq:5]C[andrew [2k\]: who won?
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: it is fine
bonobo03 [9k\]: yes
braincrash [?\]: yes good
esuomikim [18k\]: yes
murky: doesn't matter
patanjali0 [7k\]: ok
Hu [12k\]: Good sound now.
wingnut [-\]: sound is fine, just maybe a little lag
bucko [11k\]: Yes.
QWerner [17k\]: jes
esuomikim [18k\]: y
Medice [14k\]: at move 41
bonobo03 [9k\]: sure
kjp [7k\]: yes
zee [10k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: fine
hansb [4k?\]: we can see
ADORENARIN [?\]: all is okay
Hu [12k\]: Yes, we see move 41
abbadan [?\]: sound o.k.
wingnut [-\]: game ok
ligo [8k?\]: move 41
Ahndraniel [16k\]: ok
wholeboard [8k\]: game is ok
ADORENARIN [?\]: the game too
grumpy [2d\]: game ok
murky: can we repeat again quickly?
ADORENARIN [?\]: move 41 
zee [10k\]: game is ok
olczyk [16k\]: lousy for WHite.
kjp [7k\]: game and sound ok
esuomikim [18k\]: everything is fine : )
hansb [4k?\]: numbers!
Bodo212 [15k\]: nice
Hu [12k\]: Now we see numbers ^^
murky: good
Aya100 [28k?\]: fine
wingnut [-\]: don't panic
liquis [16k\]: wow
patanjali0 [7k\]: numbers are ok
liquis [16k\]: neat
Ahndraniel [16k\]: ok lets start
ticktock [14k\]: I don't understand white's plan here.
Heretix [20k\]: no its ok
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: no
Medice [14k\]: a lot of lag still between sound and the game it seems
rhubarb [6k\]: numbers yes
liquis [16k\]: sound is lagged from the board... about 15 seconds
zimazima [4k?\]: yes
wholeboard [8k\]: yes, numbers are clear
ADORENARIN [?\]: all is clear
murky: no
zee [10k\]: it is fine
ADORENARIN [?\]: =)
murky: its' ok
esuomikim [18k\]: everything is fine : )
agui [7k\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: yes
QWerner [17k\]: its fine
QuanSiMenh [9k\]: can't here any sound
QuanSiMenh [9k\]: can't hear
offtosea [16k\]: I can
DnF [8k\]: sound is fine here; try to exit and come in again
Excell2 [17k\]: sound is fine to me
tiger [2d\]: w has 2 weak groups
Heretix [20k\]: We can hear
ticktock [14k\]: yes
QWerner [17k\]: ys
Ahndraniel [16k\]: yes
Kened4 [?\]: yes, i agree
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
ADORENARIN [?\]: ahah sure
zee [10k\]: W has two weak groups on right
wingnut [-\]: good 4 B
bonobo03 [9k\]: yes
wholeboard [8k\]: yes
zee [10k\]: too good for B
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: top is large for white
NeoNight [3k\]: i disagre :p
offtosea [16k\]: 10?
au2 [3k\]: W 30 LOOKS NOT GOOD
hansb [4k?\]: 14, 16, 32
Scribe [-\]: white 20 mistake ?
olczyk [16k\]: 16
zee [10k\]: Question is where did W make a mistake?
QWerner [17k\]: j14
maruseru [15k?\]: 32
Kulai [14k\]: 32
murky: mistake of direction
Kulai [14k\]: 34
zee [10k\]: p12 is heavy
zee [10k\]: W won the game
Kulai [14k\]: 23
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: xse xse
Excell2 [17k\]: can w turn this around?
ADORENARIN [?\]: thats clear
murky: homework?
egemen [10k\]: one more game pls:))
DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: excell - w won
zepherin [14k\]: excell: white wins this
ADORENARIN [?\]: lol
Excell2 [17k\]: :O
bonobo03 [9k\]: i learned a lot
hansb [4k?\]: sure
patanjali0 [7k\]: thx
EkinOne [13k\]: tq
Bodo212 [15k\]: thanks
offtosea [16k\]: please
bonobo03 [9k\]: thanx
Chachi [10k\]: thanks
wholeboard [8k\]: thx
Excell2 [17k\]: thanks
])
(;W[oi]CR[oi]C[akew [20k?\]: p11
zee [10k\]: W can escape with p11
Brutha [9k\]: and this game was played by 4d's?
zee [10k\]: better than p12
]))
(;B[pi]CR[pi]C[hansb [4k?\]: P4, or P12
wingnut [-\]: W should run out fast O12 
agui [7k\]: escape firts
Medice [14k\]: 2 weak groups in black's territory..
kjp [7k\]: help weak stone
zee [10k\]: no time to play m16
]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[wholeboard [8k\]: p17
]
;W[rf]CR[rf])
(;B[oh]CR[oh]C[zee [10k\]: B r17 not good...
]))
(;W[op]CR[op])
(;W[po]CR[po]))
(;W[eh]CR[eh]C[zee [10k\]: e12 a must
]
;B[me]CR[me]C[vee [9k?\]: brother!
zee [10k\]: e14 f14 bad exchange for B
]))
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[DrGoPlayer [4k?\]: e14-f14 bad for b
]
;W[]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
(;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[vee [9k?\]: nice
zee [10k\]: in this case W is weak
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]C[zee [10k\]: A weakness
]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ih]CR[ih]LB[ff:A])
(;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[gf]CR[gf]C[EkinOne [13k\]: tats bad
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
(;B[ee]CR[ee])
(;B[ef]CR[ef]C[vee [9k?\]: i do
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[wingnut [-\]: nooo
drschlaper [17k\]: no
VVeakling [?\]: hehe
Kumquat [1d\]: :)
agui [7k\]: no
]))))
(;W[hd]CR[hd]))
(;B[hd]CR[hd]C[VVeakling [?\]: maybe not kgs 4d, tiger
]))
(;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Medice [14k\]: no-one is perfect
kjp [7k\]: kakari from other direction?
]))
(;B[hd]CR[hd]))
(;W[hd]CR[hd]C[zee [10k\]: B h16 is urgent
]))
(;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Ahndraniel [16k\]: like i
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[fg]TR[ge][he][gf][fg]C[murky: u have to b any way
zee [10k\]: this is good for B
wingnut [-\]: still hard for B to attack J17 
zee [10k\]: but still hard to attack j17
])
(;B[hd]CR[hd]C[zee [10k\]: h16 is better
kjp [7k\]: W j16
wingnut [-\]: punish
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[id]CR[id]))
(;W[hd]CR[hd]C[agui [7k\]: no
ihgo [5k\]: J17 seems to be overplay
NeoNight [3k\]: yes
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[QWerner [17k\]: no
wingnut [-\]: press B down
nothingman [15k\]: how about j16 then?
Medice [14k\]: *counts the lag*
Scribe [-\]: this is joseki
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[zee [10k\]: h16 is joseki
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]TR[df]C[Scribe [-\]: black must play outside and give up g17 stone
zee [10k\]: B should give up g17
]
(;W[gd]CR[gd]TR[gc]C[Scribe [-\]: white j17 is not, its an overplay
]
(;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[qf]CR[qf])
(;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[gb]CR[gb])
(;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ga]CR[ga]C[Scribe [-\]: terrible for black
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[zee [10k\]: m17 or bad for B'
]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[jd]CR[jd]))
(;W[fc]CR[fc])
(;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[ia]CR[ia]C[Scribe [-\]:  bad for white
]
;W[gd]CR[gd])
(;W[gb]CR[gb]TR[df]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ga]CR[ga]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[ee]CR[ee]LB[dg:A]TR[df]C[zee [10k\]: bad shape for W
zee [10k\]: B kills inside group
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[dd]LB[cb:D][ec:C][dd:B][ef:E][dg:A]TR[df]C[QWerner [17k\]: w e14
Scribe [-\]: marked stone is critical to this line of play
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cb]CR[cb])))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki review
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[sobi [10k\]: *variation review
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ga]CR[ga]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]C[wingnut [-\]: E14 
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[zee [10k\]: hard for B to atari at e18
offtosea [16k\]: what a difference
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[Scribe [-\]: now black has double atari cutting at e14, must fix
]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Scribe [-\]: gives white the upper hand
zee [10k\]: B has to fix at e14
]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[zee [10k\]: B dies
tobe30k [14k\]: hui, good
]
;W[ia]CR[ia]TR[df][dg])
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[agui [7k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: W can cut inside in this position
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]C[wholeboard [8k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: ok
hansb [4k?\]: clear
QWerner [17k\]: yes
DnF [8k\]: yeah, but i could never read this... 
]))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[kaorugracy [4d\]: thx
takagawa [?\]: thankyou
agui [7k\]: thank you 
Janez [2k\]: thx
Aya100 [28k?\]: thx
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[akew [20k?\]: thanks
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: thanks a lot to you mingjiu its a pleasure ^^
zee [10k\]: Homework
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[ADORENARIN [?\]: (and to ing)
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[mb]CR[mb]TR[kb][kd]C[blue88 [-\]: q19?
wingnut [-\]: W to play (homework)
Excell2 [17k\]: yes thanks
ADORENARIN [?\]: ^^
Kanin [1d\]: ^__^
blue88 [-\]: ok :=)
ADORENARIN [?\]: chuuuut
EkinOne [13k\]: :D
Aya100 [28k?\]: ^^
Ahndraniel [16k\]: ok
wingnut [-\]: xie xie Minjiu laoshi
au2 [3k\]: thank you
Kanin [1d\]: bye bye, thanks!
EkinOne [13k\]: bye bye
wholeboard [8k\]: thanks!
blue88 [-\]: thanks a lot
hansb [4k?\]: thank you
Ruutana [14k\]: Thank you.
agui [7k\]: ok Thank you very much
murky: thanks MingJiu LaoShi
VVeakling [?\]: thanks mingjiu
esuomikim [18k\]: bye bye : )
Medice [14k\]: thank you
ic3man [2k\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: bye bye
offtosea [16k\]: thanks Ming Jui!  Thanks Ing Foundation!
QWerner [17k\]: thank you alot
Aya100 [28k?\]: thx, bye
zimazima [4k?\]: thank
zee [10k\]: Thanks
bucko [11k\]: Bye!
Hu [12k\]: Thank you.
CloudNine [17k\]: thanks
drschlaper [17k\]: thank you
kirschi [17k\]: thanks
]))