(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1500]OT[6x30 byo-yomi] PW[mon]PB[alibanali]WR[1k]DT[2005-05-28]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[mon [1k\]: hi alibanali [-\]: hi Wook [-\]: sent Scribe [-\]: wow that a big dead group! Hu [12k?\]: Welcome back ^^ bibip: we missed u offtosea [16k\]: Hi! ]RE[W+Resign] ;B[pd]CR[pd]BL[1670.119] ;W[dc]CR[dc]WL[1658.392] ;B[dp]CR[dp]BL[1648.839] ;W[pp]CR[pp]WL[1634.911] ;B[de]CR[de]BL[1646.362] ;W[dh]CR[dh]WL[1622.284]C[Scribe [-\]: Game from two students of Guo Juan, 1k alibanali playing black ] ;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[1623.15]C[braincrash [?\]: pls tell us Bodo212 [15k\]: not yet Ahndraniel [15k\]: no offtosea [16k\]: c15? hansb [4k?\]: a bit ] (;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[1615.666]C[Scribe [-\]: only alibanali is Guo Juan's student hansb [4k?\]: yes agui [8k\]: no goglu [-\]: yes rhubarb [6k\]: tricky NeoNight [3k\]: rin kaiho glint [-\]: unusual Scribe [-\]: one of Kitani's josekis ? agui [8k\]: no Rukiak2 [8k\]: no byakugan [10k\]: e15 ] (;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[1543.411] ;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[1612.516]C[Scribe [-\]: normal ] ;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[1540.245] ;W[df]CR[df]WL[1609.661]C[zee [11k\]: d12 is at a vital place hiruka [30k?\]: e14 rhubarb [6k\]: c16 hansb [4k?\]: C16? zee [11k\]: what for B now? ] (;B[cg]CR[cg]BL[1480.52]C[swilks [7k\]: b15 glint [-\]: easy for 5p :P kencabbit [9k\]: this is complicated for lower ranked players because black loses the stones but it is the best course glint [-\]: reading ;-) Scribe [-\]: 单行道 AkitoKun [9k\]: will u get a promotion soon? swilks [7k\]: what if white tries to run the 2 stones on d line rather than push through? goglu [-\]: why was C17 the only move for white ? glint [-\]: hehe hiruka [30k?\]: 什麼應該染黑做 kimba [7k\]: :) offtosea [16k\]: ha ha! DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: goglu - only line that works at all for w DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: :-) Heretix [19k\]: hehe, good time to study tsumego then :) hiruka [30k?\]: 什麼應該染黑做 ] (;W[be]CR[be]WL[1604.51] ;B[dg]CR[dg]BL[1451.182] ;W[ef]CR[ef]WL[1601.407] ;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[1450.446] ;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[1598.264]TR[gd][de][ee]C[Scribe [-\]: bad result for black Scribe [-\]: marked stones are under great pressure zee [11k\]: not good for B...marked stones isolated glint [-\]: yes agui [8k\]: ok ] ;B[ed]CR[ed]BL[1447.959] ;W[ge]CR[ge]WL[1581.772] ;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[1418.597] ;W[hd]CR[hd]WL[1576.821] ;B[gc]CR[gc]BL[1417.895] ;W[ic]CR[ic]WL[1569.381] ;B[bc]CR[bc]BL[1346.59] ;W[db]CR[db]WL[1536.161] ;B[cd]CR[cd]BL[1290.687] ;W[bd]CR[bd]WL[1532.689] ;B[cc]CR[cc]BL[1283.581] ;W[bb]CR[bb]WL[1529.473] ;B[eb]CR[eb]BL[1232.807] ;W[cb]CR[cb]WL[1522.572] ;B[ib]CR[ib]BL[1226.729] ;W[jb]CR[jb]WL[1519.331] ;B[hb]CR[hb]BL[1225.209] ;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[1516.296] ;B[fe]CR[fe]BL[1213.394] ;W[gf]CR[gf]WL[1507.642]C[zee [11k\]: this is bad for B ] ;B[dj]CR[dj]BL[1193.39] (;W[qf]CR[qf]WL[1501.973]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: usually ] ;B[nc]CR[nc]BL[1185.239]C[Scribe [-\]: note that it is one space knights move from 4x4 not 3x4 Heretix [19k\]: yep glint [-\]: yes roussos [12k\]: correct Godaisuki [14k\]: yes agui [8k\]: yes shenglong [10k\]: no hiruka [30k?\]: yup glint [-\]: usually Jakobicek [9k?\]: yes ] ;W[fq]CR[fq]WL[1477.286] ;B[dn]CR[dn]BL[1174.796]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: gu du........... ] ;W[jp]CR[jp]WL[1472.597] ;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[1119.254]C[hiruka [30k?\]: 孤獨 ] ;W[of]CR[of]WL[1461.662]TR[nc][pd]C[Chalx [5k\]: S16? hiruka [30k?\]: when should u cap frst [1d?\]: r17 Heretix [19k\]: hmmmm zee [11k\]: Whe W has a strong position outsie, the small keima can be dangerous...like now hiruka [30k?\]: o13 good? Heretix [19k\]: yep glint [-\]: clear Bodo212 [15k\]: yes Ahndraniel [15k\]: yes DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: yes agui [8k\]: yes very clear offtosea [16k\]: yes hansb [4k?\]: it is clear suducodu [?\]: I don't understand keima NeoNight [3k\]: do you mean that black has to make a tobi to get out quicker ? Chalx [5k\]: clear, but which is the alternative? Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan, is this limited to the 4x4 or also for 3x4 ??? Godaisuki [14k\]: small knight move suducodu [?\]: Oh Nyterz [14k\]: kogeima Heretix [19k\]: Like in chess hiruka [30k?\]: what is 3x3 AkitoKun [9k\]: ma = horse ^^ Godaisuki [14k\]: oogeima and kogeima glint [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EssentialGoTerms hiruka [30k?\]: i play chess Wook [-\]: one ahead, one diagonal move Wook [-\]: hiruka 3x3 refers to R17 Scribe [-\]: fei suducodu [?\]: Thank you hiruka [30k?\]: 您是漢語嗎? ] ;B[qk]CR[qk]BL[1101.583]TR[jb][ic][jc][nc][pd][of][qf]C[Heretix [19k\]: very constrained offtosea [16k\]: in danger shenglong [10k\]: surrounded NeoNight [3k\]: dead ! :p agui [8k\]: is sorrounded glint [-\]: split cemo [15k\]: encapsulated kimba [7k\]: lonely suducodu [?\]: DaNGER Jakobicek [9k?\]: trouble---- Scribe [-\]: the black stones in the upper right corner are isolated....danger ! Godaisuki [14k\]: no territory Godaisuki [14k\]: I am not han yu Wook [-\]: or the symmetrical points R3,.... ] ;W[ph]CR[ph]WL[1442.313]C[hiruka [30k?\]: thank u teacher-san Wook [-\]: :) offtosea [16k\]: good - strengthens white swilks [7k\]: bad braincrash [?\]: bad hiruka [30k?\]: bad? Ahndraniel [15k\]: attack corner ] ;B[pi]CR[pi]BL[1094.078]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: attach weak stone suducodu [?\]: Bad olczyk [16k\]: It's typical Japanese to get to use their terms. ] ;W[oh]CR[oh]WL[1437.105]C[hiruka [30k?\]: ya i was right zee [11k\]: W q12 touches B...not good ] ;B[qn]CR[qn]BL[1089.006]C[hiruka [30k?\]: o kjool ] ;W[qg]WL[1429.619]TR[of][qf][qg][oh][ph]C[hiruka [30k?\]: kool agui [8k\]: bad because it strenghts black offtosea [16k\]: yes Heretix [19k\]: yes glint [-\]: yep hiruka [30k?\]: yup suducodu [?\]: Agree Ahndraniel [15k\]: yes murky: Yes, Sensei zee [11k\]: Now W is getting very strong agui [8k\]: but black also iantai [24k?\]: what if b cut at q13? ] (;B[np]CR[np]BL[979.067]C[hiruka [30k?\]: q13 is week point abbadan [?\]: yes hiruka [30k?\]: 為什麼 hiruka [30k?\]: o ok im sorry Scribe [-\]: English only please ] (;W[pn]CR[pn]WL[1425.814]C[hiruka [30k?\]: a lot of territor black has ] ;B[pm]CR[pm]BL[969.833] ;W[on]CR[on]WL[1422.322] ;B[qo]CR[qo]BL[968.999] ;W[op]CR[op]WL[1419.063] ;B[qp]CR[qp]BL[967.619] ;W[qc]CR[qc]WL[1415.337]C[Heretix [19k\]: wow Scribe [-\]: if white does not answer after black o4, black should invade at r3 Scribe [-\]: upper right corner, white enters through the open door braincrash [?\]: should b take the key spot first? ] ;B[qd]CR[qd]BL[962.354] (;W[pc]CR[pc]WL[1412.228]C[Scribe [-\]: white extension is a key move agui [8k\]: yes very clear zee [11k\]: B must defend the corner in this position lifeisgood [-\]: was white Q12 the proper way to start the attack? iantai [24k?\]: clear Heretix [19k\]: yep suducodu [?\]: Yes offtosea [16k\]: lyes xDarigaaz [15k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: q17 is the key move for white glint [-\]: mingjiu fixed sound? mingjiu [7p\]: yes Heretix [19k\]: small keima does not secure corner, especially if the opponent is strong on the outside roussos [12k\]: Thank you guojuan - see you Wook [-\]: thanks :) Nyterz [14k\]: thank you Chachi [10k\]: thanks darrell [11k\]: thank you Bodo212 [15k\]: thx inxi [?\]: thank you Heretix [19k\]: Thanks guojuan! hansili [11k\]: thank you Ruutana [12k\]: Thank you. Ozymandius [16k\]: thank you seif [6k?\]: thanks kimba [7k\]: thx guo - cu next time spingle [7k?\]: thankyou laohero [17k\]: thank you Chocobovn [6k\]: thanks AkitoKun [9k\]: we dont notice time when we play go.. xDarigaaz [15k\]: thank you vdust [16k?\]: thank you bluemark [8k?\]: Thank you Woko [27k?\]: thx Chalx [5k\]: thanks Medice [13k\]: thank you frst [1d?\]: see you os69os [7k\]: thx agui [8k\]: Thank you very much good lesson Kenata [11k\]: thank you offtosea [16k\]: thanks! lefuet [8k\]: thanks :) hiruka [30k?\]: wait its over Malachai [19k\]: thx Rutabaga [22k?\]: thank you Ahndraniel [15k\]: thanks CarlBarks [17k\]: thank you ] (;B[od]CR[od]BL[939.015]C[glint [-\]: yes HyperSonic [20k?\]: can black play R16 instead of S16? iantai [24k?\]: yes Heretix [19k\]: yes, very clear glint [-\]: clear agui [8k\]: yes thanks laohero [17k\]: yes suducodu [?\]: no clear ] ;W[rd]CR[rd]WL[1408.906]C[zee [11k\]: q17 is key glint [-\]: Q17 key Scribe [-\]: q17 is the white extension, key move ] ;B[re]CR[re]BL[937.741] ;W[rc]CR[rc]WL[1407.348] ;B[qe]CR[qe]BL[936.828] (;W[lc]CR[lc]WL[1398.133]C[Heretix [19k\]: black is dead? ] ;B[ob]CR[ob]BL[935.267] ;W[pb]CR[pb]WL[1394.62] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[902.234] ;W[rf]CR[rf]WL[1389.675] ;B[sd]CR[sd]BL[896.088] ;W[qa]CR[qa]WL[1386.51] ;B[rb]CR[rb]BL[889.643] ;W[sc]CR[sc]WL[1383.534] ;B[se]CR[se]BL[886.888] ;W[oc]CR[oc]WL[1379.819] ;B[nb]CR[nb]BL[881.306] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[1314.873] ;B[md]CR[md]BL[874.599] ;W[ne]CR[ne]WL[1311.588] ;B[nd]CR[nd]BL[873.359] ;W[le]CR[le]WL[1305.823] ;B[hq]CR[hq]BL[857.361] ;W[cq]CR[cq]WL[1293.604] ;B[dq]CR[dq]BL[850.208] ;W[dr]CR[dr]WL[1291.319] ;B[cp]CR[cp]BL[848.187] ;W[br]CR[br]WL[1289.703] ;B[bq]CR[bq]BL[847.142] ;W[cr]CR[cr]WL[1288.338] ;B[ho]CR[ho]BL[833.007] ;W[iq]CR[iq]WL[1281.899] ;B[hr]CR[hr]BL[827.017] ;W[bp]CR[bp]WL[1278.052] ;B[bo]CR[bo]BL[824.755] ;W[aq]CR[aq]WL[1277.176] ;B[mo]CR[mo]BL[815.848] ;W[jn]CR[jn]WL[1273.265] ;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[813.567] ;W[nl]CR[nl]WL[1268.092] ;B[ko]CR[ko]BL[811.549] ;W[hp]CR[hp]WL[1263.864] ;B[gp]CR[gp]BL[805.82] ;W[ip]CR[ip]WL[1261.582] ;B[gq]CR[gq]BL[802.744] ;W[pl]CR[pl]WL[1259.302] ;B[ql]CR[ql]BL[801.122] ;W[om]CR[om]WL[1256.843] ;B[qm]CR[qm]BL[800.461] ;W[qq]CR[qq]WL[1241.755] ;B[rq]CR[rq]BL[794.081] ;W[pr]CR[pr]WL[1237.354] ;B[ml]CR[ml]BL[773.231] ;W[rr]CR[rr]WL[1233.385] ;B[jl]CR[jl]BL[726.268] ;W[hn]CR[hn]WL[1228.454] ;B[go]CR[go]BL[720.968] ;W[in]CR[in]WL[1226.333] ;B[hl]CR[hl]BL[718.077] ;W[kl]CR[kl]WL[1222.487] ;B[kk]CR[kk]BL[706.456] ;W[km]CR[km]WL[1220.081] ;B[lk]CR[lk]BL[699.607] ;W[ln]CR[ln]WL[1213.904] ;B[mn]CR[mn]BL[693.883] ;W[gl]CR[gl]WL[1184.989] ;B[hk]CR[hk]BL[679.807] ;W[gn]CR[gn]WL[1178.772] ;B[dl]CR[dl]BL[668.244] ;W[en]CR[en]WL[1175.203] ;B[eo]CR[eo]BL[653.755] ;W[jj]CR[jj]WL[1160.831] ;B[jk]CR[jk]BL[649.38] ;W[mq]CR[mq]WL[1155.587] ;B[nq]CR[nq]BL[634.651] ;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[1152.814] ;B[no]CR[no]BL[627.004] ;W[lo]CR[lo]WL[1150.375] ;B[jh]CR[jh]BL[611.414] ;W[fi]CR[fi]WL[1145.255] ;B[eh]CR[eh]BL[588.171] ;W[qi]CR[qi]WL[1139.442] ;B[qj]CR[qj]BL[581.901] ;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[1134.389] ;B[sp]CR[sp]BL[568.213] ;W[nk]CR[nk]WL[1130.592] ;B[oq]CR[oq]BL[552.593] ;W[pq]CR[pq]WL[1127.756] ;B[jf]CR[jf]BL[499.701] ;W[ig]CR[ig]WL[1122.602] ;B[jg]CR[jg]BL[494.709] ;W[mk]CR[mk]WL[1067.928] ;B[ll]CR[ll]BL[471.281] ;W[me]CR[me]WL[1056.485] ;B[na]CR[na]BL[349.778] ;W[hi]CR[hi]WL[1050.029] ;B[ij]CR[ij]BL[346.009] ;W[ej]CR[ej]WL[1039.573] ;B[ek]CR[ek]BL[339.17] ;W[fk]CR[fk]WL[957.25] ;B[jm]CR[jm]BL[315.101] ;W[el]CR[el]WL[940.317] ;B[dk]CR[dk]BL[313.037] ;W[kp]CR[kp]WL[920.125] ;B[li]CR[li]BL[303.614] ;W[rj]CR[rj]WL[908.831] ;B[rk]CR[rk]BL[203.975] ;W[ag]CR[ag]WL[866.057] ;B[ah]CR[ah]BL[187.61] ;W[bn]CR[bn]WL[859.763] ;B[cn]CR[cn]BL[150] ;W[bh]CR[bh]WL[845.322] ;B[af]CR[af]BL[150] ;W[ai]CR[ai]WL[843.51] ;B[bf]CR[bf]BL[150] ;W[bj]CR[bj]WL[826.677] ;B[ei]CR[ei]BL[150] ;W[bl]CR[bl]WL[811.776] ;B[bm]CR[bm]BL[150] ;W[cm]CR[cm]WL[807.723] ;B[an]CR[an]BL[150] ;W[cl]CR[cl]WL[802.12] ;B[em]CR[em]BL[150] ;W[ci]CR[ci]WL[797.078] ;B[cj]CR[cj]BL[120] ;W[ch]CR[ch]WL[790.142] ;B[bg]CR[bg]BL[120] ;W[ah]CR[ah]WL[787.663] ;B[al]CR[al]BL[120] ;W[ak]CR[ak]WL[784.301] ;B[er]CR[er]BL[120] ;W[fj]CR[fj]WL[773.408] ;B[di]CR[di]BL[120] ;W[am]CR[am]WL[750.642] ;B[bn]CR[bn]BL[120] ;W[dm]CR[dm]WL[726.13] ;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[120] ;W[fl]CR[fl]WL[722.245] ;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[120] ;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[710.87] ;B[al]CR[al]BL[120] ;W[bk]CR[bk]WL[705.528] ;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[120] ;W[fb]CR[fb]WL[694.799] ;B[fa]CR[fa]BL[120] ;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[692.057] ;B[ae]CR[ae]BL[120] ;W[ac]CR[ac]WL[687.598] ;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[120] ;W[ga]CR[ga]WL[683.734] ;B[ea]CR[ea]BL[90] ;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[681.4] ;B[oo]CR[oo]BL[90] ;W[po]CR[po]WL[676.783] ;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[90] ;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[670.026] ;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[90] ;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[667.71] ;B[ni]CR[ni]BL[90] ;W[oi]CR[oi]WL[662.117] ;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[90] ;W[hj]CR[hj]WL[658.241] ;B[kj]CR[kj]BL[90] ;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[655.559] ;B[nj]CR[nj]BL[90] ;W[oj]CR[oj]WL[643.453] ;B[ap]CR[ap]BL[90] ;W[gb]CR[gb]WL[635.192] ;B[bq]CR[bq]BL[90] ;W[fr]CR[fr]WL[627.418] ;B[eq]CR[eq]BL[90] ;W[bp]CR[bp]WL[624.734] ;B[ok]CR[ok]BL[90] ;W[sr]CR[sr]WL[616.698] ;B[bq]CR[bq]BL[90] ;W[hc]CR[hc]WL[590.341] ;B[fc]CR[fc]BL[90] ;W[bp]CR[bp]WL[588.458] ;B[es]CR[es]BL[60] ;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[579.367] ;B[gm]CR[gm]BL[60] ;W[ap]CR[ap]WL[522.37] ;B[io]CR[io]BL[60] ;W[jo]CR[jo]WL[519.156] ;B[kr]CR[kr]BL[60] ;W[lr]CR[lr]WL[513.159] ;B[he]CR[he]BL[60] ;W[if]CR[if]WL[487.013] ;B[ih]CR[ih]BL[60] ;W[hg]CR[hg]WL[469.148] ;B[hh]CR[hh]BL[60] ;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[466.601] ;B[sj]CR[sj]BL[60] ;W[ri]CR[ri]WL[462.884] ;B[ir]CR[ir]BL[60] ;W[kq]CR[kq]WL[458.64] ;B[jr]CR[jr]BL[60] ;W[nr]CR[nr]WL[454.678] ;B[or]CR[or]BL[60] ;W[os]CR[os]WL[452.33] ;B[lb]CR[lb]BL[60] ;W[kb]CR[kb]WL[447.528] ;B[mb]CR[mb]BL[60] ;W[nh]CR[nh]WL[437.415] ;B[lg]CR[lg]BL[60] ;W[je]CR[je]WL[393.161] ;B[mh]CR[mh]BL[60] ;W[mj]CR[mj]WL[389.373] ;B[mi]CR[mi]BL[60] ;W[fm]CR[fm]WL[383.751] ;B[hm]CR[hm]BL[60] ;W[en]CR[en]WL[381.997] ;B[fo]CR[fo]BL[60] ;W[la]CR[la]WL[377.059] ;B[ld]CR[ld]BL[60] ;W[kd]CR[kd]WL[372.132] ;B[ds]CR[ds]BL[60] ;W[kf]CR[kf]WL[365.657] ;B[pk]CR[pk]BL[60] ;W[ol]CR[ol]WL[359.402] ;B[kg]CR[kg]BL[60] ;W[si]CR[si]WL[352.326] ;B[sk]CR[sk]BL[60] ;W[pe]CR[pe]WL[329.312] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[rp]CR[rp]WL[307.364] ;B[ro]CR[ro]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[306.41] ;B[gj]CR[gj]BL[60] ;W[gi]CR[gi]WL[302.75] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[sn]CR[sn]WL[300.266] ;B[so]CR[so]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[296.984] ;B[ar]CR[ar]BL[60] ;W[as]CR[as]WL[293.365] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[sq]CR[sq]WL[277.394] ;B[sm]CR[sm]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[274.191] ;B[ms]CR[ms]BL[60] ;W[ls]CR[ls]WL[269.904] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[rm]CR[rm]WL[236.477] ;B[rn]CR[rn]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[235.311] ;B[ks]CR[ks]BL[60] ;W[pj]CR[pj]WL[230.85] ;B[cs]CR[cs]BL[60] ;W[bs]CR[bs]WL[227.591] ;B[da]CR[da]BL[60] ;W[lf]CR[lf]WL[218.067] ;B[ng]CR[ng]BL[60] ;W[em]CR[em]WL[204.647] ;B[lm]CR[lm]BL[60] ;W[kn]CR[kn]WL[201.871] ;B[im]CR[im]BL[60] ;W[gk]CR[gk]WL[199.242] ;B[og]CR[og]BL[60] ;W[pg]CR[pg]WL[195.843] ;B[am]CR[am]BL[60] ;W[ca]CR[ca]WL[190.942] ;B[ha]CR[ha]BL[60] ;W[sf]CR[sf]WL[182.259] ;B[ja]CR[ja]BL[60] ;W[ka]CR[ka]WL[180] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[sl]CR[sl]WL[180] ;B[rl]CR[rl]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[180] ;B[lq]CR[lq]BL[60] ;W[mr]CR[mr]WL[180] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[nf]CR[nf]WL[180] ;B[mg]CR[mg]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[180] ;B[jq]CR[jq]BL[60] ;W[oe]CR[oe]WL[180] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[do]CR[do]WL[180] ;B[co]CR[co]BL[60] ;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[180] ;B[ps]CR[ps]BL[60] ;W[qs]CR[qs]WL[180] ;B[pa]CR[pa]BL[60] ;W[ik]CR[ik]WL[180] ;B[qb]CR[qb]BL[60] ;W[jj]CR[jj]WL[180] ;B[il]CR[il]BL[60] ;W[ij]CR[ij]WL[180] ;B[kh]CR[kh]BL[60] ;W[lj]CR[lj]WL[180]C[alibanali [-\]: thx mon [1k\]: thx Bodo212 [15k\]: hello liquis [16k\]: yes lifeisgood [-\]: yes rhubarb [6k\]: yes Wook [-\]: sound great :) liquis [16k\]: much louder rince [?\]: wooow loud Hu [12k?\]: sound is good. troll [3k\]: hi Scribe [-\]: yes very well Guo Juan kgs8k [?\]: sounds fine glint [-\]: ni hao, is fine Bodo212 [15k\]: much louder than Wook [-\]: Please sing a song to test our speakers :) Ahndraniel [15k\]: ok laohero [17k\]: yes ;) Scribe [-\]: very good Hu [12k?\]: Clear sound. roussos [12k\]: excellent!! ted [19k\]: ok rhubarb [6k\]: sound loder Frutis [15k\]: its very good troll [3k\]: perfect :) Bodo212 [15k\]: ok !!!!!!!!!!!! zee [11k\]: sound is good agui [8k\]: Hello , yes sound ok here !! Bodo212 [15k\]: your sound is ok always Wook [-\]: just send a message guojuan Hu [12k?\]: Your sound is good level balanced with the stone sound. ]) (;W[ob]CR[ob]C[zee [11k\]: W should p18 glint [-\]: B builds wall facing strong W position zee [11k\]: B no eyes Heretix [19k\]: yep, lose all influence and has no points Scribe [-\]: black has no space to live inside, and faces strong white on outsude ] ;B[me]CR[me] ;W[lg]CR[lg]C[glint [-\]: where are B eyes? ])) (;B[rc]CR[rc] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[rd]CR[rd] (;W[nb]CR[nb]C[glint [-\]: urgent move before big move? zee [11k\]: o18 instead of p17 guojuan [5p\]: o18 is a tesuji Heretix [19k\]: ok glint [-\]: O18 tesuji ] ;B[mb]CR[mb]C[agui [8k\]: yes very nice ] ;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: thx suducodu [?\]: Special play? ] ;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[sb]CR[sb]LB[od:A]C[Scribe [-\]: white lives zee [11k\]: W lives Scribe [-\]: tesuji....skillful play iantai [24k?\]: best local move murky: Special play=tesuji Chachi [10k\]: clever move roussos [12k\]: clever move Chocobovn [6k\]: skiilful play jakarta [-\]: if p18? urtela [2k\]: correct local move kimba [7k\]: clever tactical move Heretix [19k\]: 手筋 zee [11k\]: Best local move Taswold [11k?\]: skillful tactical move jakarta [-\]: instead of n18 Kanenas [11k?\]: ! move :) glint [-\]: local skillful move NeoNight [3k\]: a move that works :) Taswold [11k?\]: hehhe Scribe [-\]: its a tactical concept xDarigaaz [15k\]: :-) jakarta [-\]: p18? Taswold [11k?\]: thats all combinatios folks ] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[me]CR[me]TR[jb][jc][of][qf][qg][oh][ph]C[Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tesuji Ubiquity [?\]: kill kill kill Scribe [-\]: white kills black with n15 roussos [12k\]: There - said by Evil Greg :) HyperSonic [20k?\]: can black just play R16 to defend when there's small kema? Heretix [19k\]: yep, understood jakarta [-\]: p18 instead of n18??? mingjiu [7p\]: hi Chalx [5k\]: is black actually dead after w R17? GonKu [14k\]: hi Ahndraniel [15k\]: who won the game? GonKu [14k\]: lol Ahndraniel [15k\]: ;-) zee [11k\]: B won the game AkitoKun [9k\]: who is that? Medice [13k\]: if p18 instead of n18 then white p17 and threatens to escape and cut NeoNight [3k\]: should balack have played tobi ? and not keima ? Heretix [19k\]: haha glint [-\]: lol Taswold [11k?\]: charming AkitoKun [9k\]: wat's his account? ]) (;W[oc]CR[oc] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mb]CR[mb]))) (;W[rd]CR[rd]C[abbadan [?\]: yes ] ;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[qb]CR[qb] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[lc]CR[lc]C[glint [-\]: yes Scribe [-\]: black recovers and lives zee [11k\]: B lives ])) (;C[HyperSonic [20k?\]: ^^ ] ;W[] ;B[qq]CR[qq])) (;B[rd]LB[rd:A]TR[nc][pd]C[xDarigaaz [15k\]: yep Scribe [-\]: after these white moves in upper right (white p14, p12, etc) the black two stones are very weak zee [11k\]: B upper right corner is in grave danger iantai [24k?\]: q13 cut instead of q111 hang glint [-\]: it's spelled "weak" hiruka Heretix [19k\]: hold on, white strong outside is A or B? iantai [24k?\]: ok offtosea [16k\]: ok offtosea [16k\]: ok Heretix [19k\]: ok laohero [17k\]: ok Heretix [19k\]: yep Bodo212 [15k\]: yes xDarigaaz [15k\]: yes offtosea [16k\]: yes cemo [15k\]: safety first suducodu [?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: Black must defend before white invades glint [-\]: O4 was a mistake at this point in the game Heretix [19k\]: enlightening... suducodu [?\]: Thank you ]) (;AE[nc]AB[mc]LB[oc:C][qc:B][qd:A]C[zee [11k\]: B s16 is a must glint [-\]: ok agui [8k\]: ok Bodo212 [15k\]: ok -thx zee [11k\]: A if W not strong jakarta [-\]: just think it:) hiruka [30k?\]: tkz teacher-san Scribe [-\]: B (r17) when white is very strong outside, other wise A (s16), due to invasion at p17 Heretix [19k\]: ok, white strong outside B, got it zee [11k\]: B is for the case when W is strong outside hiruka [30k?\]: 為什麼 guojuan [5p\]: play B when white is very close as in this game DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: we got it i think guojuan [5p\]: plat at A when white is far away ])) (;W[fq]CR[fq] ;B[cn]CR[cn] ;W[nc]CR[nc]C[suducodu [?\]: Samll what? ] ;B[qn]CR[qn] (;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: tewari suducodu [?\]: Small* zee [11k\]: m3 is the deoor of W o4 zee [11k\]: So o3 is safer ]) (;W[np]LB[np:C][lq:A][nq:B]TR[pp]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: keima Heretix [19k\]: keima hiruka [30k?\]: i be back in 30min ok liquis [16k\]: why not? zee [11k\]: Usually we fee that the small keima is safe NeoNight [3k\]: in order to play K 3 Jakobicek [9k?\]: m3 Godaisuki [14k\]: P3 patanjali0 [8k?\]: M3 DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: m3 Chalx [5k\]: m3 agui [8k\]: M3 Bodo212 [15k\]: r3 offtosea [16k\]: r3 kgs8k [?\]: m3 regginos [4k\]: M3 Heretix [19k\]: yes offtosea [16k\]: yes Godaisuki [14k\]: es agui [8k\]: yes Ahndraniel [15k\]: yes Godaisuki [14k\]: yes kimba [7k\]: ok hiruka [30k?\]: uyh... ] ;B[lq]CR[lq]))) (;W[dg]CR[dg] ;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: this is the trick white cut at d14 ])) (;B[ef]CR[ef]C[roussos [12k\]: helps white get stronger? Scribe [-\]: why is e14 not a good move for Black glint [-\]: makes W position stronger agui [8k\]: white connects all the stones suducodu [?\]: too concentrated Bradoku [?\]: white can extend down au2 [3k\]: uses up aji Jakobicek [9k?\]: connects w NeoNight [3k\]: cauz you dont know which atari you will need nothingman [14k\]: lose a side and corner shenglong [10k\]: white gets teritory, b gets nothing Scribe [-\]: e14 forces White to get stronger making a solid position, without helping Black DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: it is forcing move but it forces white to make move white wants to make ] (;W[dg]CR[dg]C[Chalx [5k\]: it is a "thank you" move suducodu [?\]: empty triangle glint [-\]: doesnt really help B hiruka [30k?\]: is it to obvious glint [-\]: what is obvious to one person isn't obvious to another ]) (;W[]C[glint [-\]: see if W is awake move...lol ] ;B[dg]CR[dg]C[hiruka [30k?\]: o ok ])) (;B[cd]CR[cd] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[bf]CR[bf] ;B[cb]CR[cb]C[Scribe [-\]: must punish white, but the method is quite complicated goglu [-\]: C17 byakugan [10k\]: c17 zee [11k\]: c16 to punish W Heretix [19k\]: yes agui [8k\]: yes AkitoKun [9k\]: ;) glint [-\]: many places to trip-up ] ;W[cc]CR[cc]C[dodollipet: ya dodollipet: C17 ] ;B[bc]CR[bc] ;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Heretix [19k\]: hahaha Godaisuki [14k\]: big head ghost zee [11k\]: W c17 is good tesuji Heretix [19k\]: very funny :) suducodu [?\]: big ghost head Scribe [-\]: stone monument tesuji suducodu [?\]: ^_^ glint [-\]: literal translation hehe Jakobicek [9k?\]: oh 22 crosscut this will be funny... ] ;B[ab]CR[ab]C[Scribe [-\]: a18 must hiruka [30k?\]: now black is in truble Godaisuki [14k\]: atari ] ;W[ba]CR[ba]C[zee [11k\]: c18 only B move ] ;B[ca]CR[ca]TR[db][ec][ed][gd]C[zee [11k\]: W B19 is forced glint [-\]: all moves here are the "only" moves frst [1d?\]: a16 Godaisuki [14k\]: A16 ] ;W[ad]CR[ad]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: A19 ] ;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Scribe [-\]: white's problem is that she has only three liberties and no way to get out from the corner shenglong [10k\]: B18 Godaisuki [14k\]: B18 Chalx [5k\]: B18 ] ;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Scribe [-\]: throwin frst [1d?\]: b18 ] ;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: B19 ] ;W[ae]CR[ae]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: A15 Heretix [19k\]: haha, big headed ghost :) agui [8k\]: yes very nice !! suducodu [?\]: yep Chalx [5k\]: nice tesuji to remember ] (;B[ac]CR[ac]C[Ahndraniel [15k\]: 3 Jakobicek [9k?\]: 3 glint [-\]: 3 iantai [24k?\]: 3 Heretix [19k\]: 3 NeoNight [3k\]: 3 hiruka [30k?\]: 3 kimba [7k\]: 3 Godaisuki [14k\]: 3 Godaisuki [14k\]: yes ] ;W[db]CR[db]C[Scribe [-\]: black 3 liberties, white three Heretix [19k\]: ahhh I see now Dionys0s [30k?\]: 3 and whites beginning attack hiruka [30k?\]: ya frst [1d?\]: d18 ]) (;B[db]CR[db]C[iantai [24k?\]: d18 ] ;W[ac]CR[ac] (;B[bb]CR[bb] ;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Godaisuki [14k\]: BIG HEAD hiruka [30k?\]: d19 ]) (;B[ec]CR[ec] ;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Wook [-\]: looks more like big headache ] ;B[bc]CR[bc]LB[dd:B][cg:A]C[goglu [-\]: seems even kgs8k [?\]: hard to tell kimba [7k\]: white agui [8k\]: white offtosea [16k\]: black glint [-\]: good for W dedain [10k\]: white better Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TwoStoneEdgeSqueeze suducodu [?\]: black... Godaisuki [14k\]: white iantai [24k?\]: w Chalx [5k\]: w gets sente... nothingman [14k\]: i like b Bradoku [?\]: Black looks cramped... rhubarb [6k\]: white little liquis [16k\]: white kimba [7k\]: white sente murky: B bit better liquis [16k\]: since it's white's move abbadan [?\]: w agui [8k\]: white is more solid byakugan [10k\]: b better since w was in the corner first glint [-\]: B iantai [24k?\]: b Godaisuki [14k\]: black hiruka [30k?\]: w offtosea [16k\]: b dedain [10k\]: good for black wrt q16 NeoNight [3k\]: good for black au2 [3k\]: b better swilks [7k\]: black Ahndraniel [15k\]: black Ruutana [12k\]: Black beginner [14k\]: black suducodu [?\]: black liquis [16k\]: black murky: W's D12 stone is too close agui [8k\]: black iantai [24k?\]: q16 glint [-\]: B top stones working together goglu [-\]: hard to say iantai [24k?\]: and d4 waldo [11k\]: black because of q16 suducodu [?\]: White only has a little territory Jakobicek [9k?\]: c3 and q16 DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: outside better for b offtosea [16k\]: black has potential for territory Godaisuki [14k\]: Q16? rhubarb [6k\]: q16 g16 lifeisgood [-\]: black because of q16 and d4 Ahndraniel [15k\]: stones on starpoints suducodu [?\]: black has some side dedain [10k\]: d4 and q16 liquis [16k\]: more influence agui [8k\]: because white misses a stone on the lower corner hiruka [30k?\]: uh... iantai [24k?\]: q16 help up and d4 attacks white frst [1d?\]: = iantai [24k?\]: d4 can extend to threat white zee [11k\]: Position is better for B since B stones working together and W shape is not too good glint [-\]: B D4 stops W left side from be so good hiruka [30k?\]: ◘_◘ Scribe [-\]: this is the best way to punish white D16 goglu [-\]: would you say that black is a bit ahead or a lot ? agui [8k\]: ok frst [1d?\]: a iantai [24k?\]: ok hiruka [30k?\]: w cant make the territory without filling it DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: 大头鬼 Godaisuki [14k\]: :) glint [-\]: well done scribe ])))) (;B[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: not good result for Black zee [11k\]: this is not good for B ] ;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[ef]CR[ef] ;W[fe]CR[fe]LB[dh:A])) (;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[ef]CR[ef] ;W[fe]CR[fe] ;B[dd]CR[dd] ;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: white e15 standard joseki goglu [-\]: C17 swilks [7k\]: c17 Rukiak2 [8k\]: B17 hansb [4k?\]: C17 zee [11k\]: c17 Rukiak2 [8k\]: C17 sorry agui [8k\]: c17 ] (;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[ec]CR[ec] ;B[ff]CR[ff] ;W[ge]CR[ge] (;B[bd]CR[bd]) (;B[cb]CR[cb] ;W[df]CR[df] ;B[dg]CR[dg]C[Scribe [-\]: more complicated joseki ] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[cg]CR[cg]C[Scribe [-\]: depends upon ladder ] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[bf]CR[bf] ;B[bg]CR[bg] ;W[bd]CR[bd] ;B[cd]CR[cd]C[zee [11k\]: c18 not good now because of ladder ] ;W[eg]CR[eg] ;B[bi]CR[bi] ;W[fg]CR[fg])) (;B[ff]CR[ff] ;W[ge]CR[ge] ;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[db]CR[db]TR[ge][ff] ;B[cf]CR[cf]TR[ge][ff]C[zee [11k\]: d18 is punishment Scribe [-\]: therefore black must not push first at f14 (must c17 first) ])))