(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-06-05]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Uvas [-\]: hihi
Medice [13k\]: it's fine now
spingle [7k?\]: hello
swilks [7k\]: good
Kenata [11k\]: hello
Nyterz [14k\]: super
Chocobovn [6k\]: hi
Wook [-\]: great sound ;)
guojuan [5p\]: very good
Scribe [-\]: much better sound!
Bodo212 [15k\]: hello better !!!!!!!!!!!!!
goglu [-\]: excellent
esuomikim [17k\]: hello : )
spingle [7k?\]: its goood
Chocobovn [6k\]: good sound
guojuan [5p\]: yes good now
glint [-\]: ni hao, sound good here :)
Ahndraniel [15k\]: hello its ok
rhubarb [6k\]: better
Frutis [15k\]: perfect :)
laohero [17k\]: great
troll [3k\]: =D
roussos [12k\]: much better now!
murky: Hi
braincrash [?\]: very good
Scribe [-\]: nihao laoshi!
Rukiak2 [8k\]: lol
Medice [13k\]: haha
murky: We need too
Bodo212 [15k\]: nearer to micro?
jasch [10k\]: for when?
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[agui [8k\]: much better
offtosea [16k\]: sounds better, thanks!~
Chachi [10k\]: good
au2 [3k\]: great
spingle [7k?\]: hehe
offtosea [16k\]: very good!
rhubarb [6k\]: ^^
kimba [7k\]: brilliant
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Ruutana [12k\]: Good sound.
HyperSonic [20k?\]: very good
Scribe [-\]: even better
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: much louder   t-thx
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[Scribe [-\]: far is not as good
roussos [12k\]: small chinese
Scribe [-\]: Low Chinese Fuseki
murky: large chinese
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
(;W[ip]CR[ip]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: no
jakarta [-\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
laohero [17k\]: yes
kimba [7k\]: yup
]
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[Scribe [-\]: all three answers are possible
]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]C[Scribe [-\]: this could be whites plan, to limit the chinese from making a moyo
]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[nq]CR[nq])
(;B[cn]CR[cn]C[Chachi [10k\]: is that good?
Heretix [19k\]: nope
murky: kinda
spingle [7k?\]: nope
Ahndraniel [15k\]: no
laohero [17k\]: no
xDarigaaz [15k\]: little
agui [8k\]: yes
Heretix [19k\]: yes, sorta
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: f4
HyperSonic [20k?\]: F4?
Scribe [-\]: three possibilites for white
glint [-\]: J4 wrong colour :P
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: sound ok
]
(;W[eo]CR[eo]C[murky: W f4
])
(;W[fp]CR[fp]C[Scribe [-\]: white j4 lost its effectiveness, after white d6
offtosea [16k\]: ok
murky: sound breaking up
braincrash [?\]: sound ok for me
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
(;W[fr]CR[fr]LB[cl:A]C[zee [11k\]: W should f4
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [-\]: white develops quickly
zee [11k\]: W can develope lower side
])
(;C[Scribe [-\]: White c8 is sente now
zee [11k\]: Now W has c8 as sente
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: depends upon white f5
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]TR[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: b5 can connect out two ways
zee [11k\]: W b5 is a good continuation
Scribe [-\]: removes black base
]))
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[zee [11k\]: W should f4 indtead of d6
]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
(;W[co]CR[co]C[murky: never understand double wings 
zee [11k\]: j4 not useful
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[zee [11k\]: W made a big mistake here
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]TR[ip]C[zee [11k\]: game
goglu [-\]: J4 is strange
swilks [7k\]: good for white
murky: Better for W
Chachi [10k\]: good for w
agui [8k\]: good for white
goglu [-\]: good for black
troll [3k\]: even
offtosea [16k\]: good white
kimba [7k\]: I like w
rhubarb [6k\]: even
Chocobovn [6k\]: better use j4, give b conner?
Scribe [-\]: double approach, not double wing
Scribe [-\]: wrong direction of play for white
kgs8k [?\]: it's out of place
Chachi [10k\]: bad spot
murky: too loose
spingle [7k?\]: too high
NeoNight [3k\]: not connected
hansb [4k?\]: should be at H3
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: sad
spingle [7k?\]: so much for leaning ;)
glint [-\]: direction of play?
zee [11k\]: Make a plan
]
(;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Heretix [19k\]: yep yep
]
(;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[zee [11k\]: c14 is good now
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[glint [-\]: gone
]
;B[fd]CR[fd])
(;W[cd]CR[cd]C[agui [8k\]: it disapears
Taswold [11k?\]: on holiday
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[zee [11k\]: B either takes W moyo or side
Scribe [-\]: hard to attack two black stones
]
(;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[bl]CR[bl])
(;W[cl]CR[cl])
(;W[]
;B[bn]CR[bn]C[Scribe [-\]: black got a lot and in sente
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[bl]CR[bl]C[zee [11k\]: b6 if W tenuki
]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[zee [11k\]: B gets a lot in sente
]
;B[bk]CR[bk]C[Heretix [19k\]: nod
]))
(;W[dh]CR[dh])
(;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [-\]: black far approach is hard to pincer
]
(;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Heretix [19k\]: C11?
])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[db]CR[db]C[zee [11k\]: B still has c9 to invade
zee [11k\]: causes bad shape for W
]
;W[]C[glint [-\]: B C9 good point to invade W moyo
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Scribe [-\]: c9 is still a good point for balck to invade
])))
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[rhubarb [6k\]: got it ^^ thx
Scribe [-\]: j4 pincer requires white to play f4 after black double approach
zee [11k\]: W made two mistakes, f4 and c13
NeoNight [3k\]: he plays too much handy games
zee [11k\]: oops d6 and c13
glint [-\]: ignored global position?
zee [11k\]: Should always think of continuation
]
(;W[dh]CR[dh]C[Scribe [-\]: close approach is easy to pincer
zee [11k\]: if B c15, then W can pincer
])
(;W[cg]CR[cg]C[Chachi [10k\]: it looks good
zee [11k\]: game
Badduck [5d\]: ok?
Heretix [19k\]: good for white?
agui [8k\]: e15
Scribe [-\]: does not coordinate well with top white stones
NeoNight [3k\]: the weakness in W shape remains
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]C[Janez [2k\]: ok
Badduck [5d\]: w can press
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[glint [-\]: W can't defend both sides
Janez [2k\]: d13
agui [8k\]: c12
zee [11k\]: Now what?
zee [11k\]: too late for W
iantai [24k?\]: yes
roussos [12k\]: yes
Chachi [10k\]: yes
iantai [24k?\]: sure
xDarigaaz [15k\]: yes
spingle [7k?\]: yeah
kimba [7k\]: yup
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
laohero [17k\]: yes
nannygoat [16k\]: yes
silver2k4 [13k\]: yeah
glint [-\]: yes... look before you jump
]
(;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
(;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Heretix [19k\]: B15 ?
Heretix [19k\]: yeah, no outside influence..
]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]C[agui [8k\]: c9
Ahndraniel [15k\]: c9
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[troll [3k\]: b9
HW9x9 [-\]: d14
]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[zee [11k\]: not good for W
])
(;W[ck]CR[ck]C[glint [-\]: trouble
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[cj]CR[cj])
(;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[cl]CR[cl]))
(;W[cj]CR[cj]
(;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[bi]CR[bi])
(;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[dj]CR[dj])))
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[zee [11k\]: B still has b6
agui [8k\]: b6
]
;B[mp]CR[mp]C[zee [11k\]: but if W plays c8. too slow
roussos [12k\]:  
])
(;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[jasch [10k\]: lok before playing standard joseki
]
;B[di]CR[di]C[Ahndraniel [15k\]:  the plan is the difference between kyu and dan
agui [8k\]: ok good  advice
]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Ubiquity [?\]: D14
Chachi [10k\]: d14 here
]
(;W[ef]CR[ef]
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[zee [11k\]: What if W e14?
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[glint [-\]: ouch
offtosea [16k\]: death
zee [11k\]: disaster for W
]
(;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[Xfactor [10k\]: b wins
])
(;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[bf]CR[bf]))
(;B[ff]CR[ff]C[barracuda [10k?\]: what if w d14
]
;W[df]CR[df]
(;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[de]CR[de]C[murky: easy going for W
offtosea [16k\]: big difference
zee [11k\]: W is off the hook
])
(;B[fe]CR[fe]C[zee [11k\]: B missed a good opportunity
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ed]LB[dc:4][nc:6][ed:35][fd:22][jd:8][pd:1][ce:19][de:34][ee:21][fe:33][df:32][ef:30][ff:31][pf:7][cg:20][dg:24][eg:25][ch:26][dh:23][ci:28][di:27][dj:29][qk:5][cm:18][dm:13][cn:11][dn:12][en:14][co:16][dp:2][ip:10][cq:15][dq:17][fq:9][pq:3]C[zee [11k\]: 2-3 d level here
glint [-\]: game between 2-3 dan players
roussos [12k\]: yes
Chocobovn [6k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes very clear, thanks
nannygoat [16k\]: yes
Mehdisan [16k?\]: yeah
Bodo212 [15k\]: clear - but not easy
silver2k4 [13k\]: yes
jasch [10k\]: yeah
zee [11k\]: Main message: Make a plan before you play
abbadan [?\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: clear plan is important, but good plans are harder
laohero [17k\]: what if w D14 instead of E14
Chachi [10k\]: what if white plays at d14?
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: thank you
glint [-\]: any plan is better than no plan
nannygoat [16k\]: yes thank you
Ubiquity [?\]: what if white plays directly at D14 instead of E14...?
Ubiquity [?\]: for cutting
Ubiquity [?\]: 30 at 32
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[fh]CR[fh]C[glint [-\]: B missed a big opportunity Top left corner
zee [11k\]: B should have d14
Scribe [-\]: good enough for Black
zee [11k\]: still this is good enough for B
])))
(;W[df]CR[df]C[laohero [17k\]: yes
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cb]CR[cb])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[zee [11k\]: still good for B
Scribe [-\]: good for black
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
Ubiquity [?\]: good
Chachi [10k\]: yes thx
laohero [17k\]: ok thanks ;)
Mehdisan [16k?\]: yes, not that good for w
agui [8k\]: thanks 
]))))))
(;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[do]CR[do]C[Scribe [-\]: white must not block at d3
]
;B[bm]CR[bm]C[zee [11k\]: W cannot block at d3
Scribe [-\]: too good for black
]
;W[em]CR[em]C[goglu [-\]: this is handicap style
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]C[Chocobovn [6k\]: ok
zee [11k\]: good for zB
zee [11k\]: handicap joseki
Scribe [-\]: white lost too much here
]))))
(;W[dn]CR[dn])
(;W[cn]CR[cn]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[frst [1d?\]: thx
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[zee [11k\]: 'Homework analysis time
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[murky: This is a ko
frst [1d?\]: n19
Medice [13k\]: which side to play?
Lanowen [29k?\]: black
jakarta [-\]: n19
os69os [7k\]: ko
spingle [7k?\]: w lives
zee [11k\]: B to play
Xfactor [10k\]: black died
glint [-\]: W dies?
Xfactor [10k\]: white died :)))
frst [1d?\]: w dead
zee [11k\]: W dead
barracuda [10k?\]: o19
murky: n19
zee [11k\]: o18?
abbadan [?\]: w lives
Xfactor [10k\]: n19
Lanowen [29k?\]: n19
glint [-\]: M18 
murky: thank you
]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[barracuda [10k?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: n19
silver2k4 [13k\]: N19 
]
(;B[na]CR[na]C[jasch [10k\]: n19
Xfactor [10k\]: n19
Medice [13k\]: now white o18 and it lives..
Wook [-\]: lol..."are you sure" = "forget it" :)
frst [1d?\]: n19
jasch [10k\]: n19
abbadan [?\]: w m 18
]
(;W[nb]CR[nb])
(;W[ma]CR[ma]C[Medice [13k\]: 2
]))
(;B[ma]CR[ma]
(;W[lb]CR[lb]C[Medice [13k\]: 18
agui [8k\]: l18
frst [1d?\]: o18
glint [-\]: O18 ?
Medice [13k\]: o
murky: o18
hansb [4k?\]: L18
offtosea [16k\]: o18
]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]C[offtosea [16k\]: ko
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[oa]CR[oa]C[murky: P19
offtosea [16k\]: yes
murky: W takes first
jasch [10k\]: thx
agui [8k\]: good thanks
offtosea [16k\]: ok
zee [11k\]: result is ko
]
;W[na]CR[na])
(;B[kb]CR[kb]C[jakarta [-\]: tenuki
agui [8k\]: w o19
DnF [7k\]: white O19?
]
(;W[la]CR[la]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[glint [-\]: nice
Medice [13k\]: o19 instead of m19 no?
])
(;W[na]CR[na]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Mehdisan [16k?\]: alive
])))
(;W[na]CR[na]C[hansb [4k?\]: M18
kgs8k [?\]: o17
frst [1d?\]: m1`8
jasch [10k\]: m18
silver2k4 [13k\]: O17 
Lanowen [29k?\]: o17
jasch [10k\]: m18
agui [8k\]: m18
jakarta [-\]: m17
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[jasch [10k\]: first m18 then o
agui [8k\]: alive
Xfactor [10k\]: w lives
offtosea [16k\]: alive
abbadan [?\]: no
Medice [13k\]: m18 and q19 miai
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[jasch [10k\]: first m18 then o17
]
;W[lb]CR[lb])
(;B[lb]CR[lb]
(;W[la]CR[la]
;B[nc]CR[nc])
(;W[nc]CR[nc])))))
(;B[rb]CR[rb]C[hansb [4k?\]: HOMEWORK 
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[zee [11k\]: Homework for next week
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[frst [1d?\]: thank you
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[od]CR[od]C[jasch [10k\]: next sunday?
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]C[agui [8k\]: yes
jasch [10k\]: thx
])
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[guojuan [5p\]: every Sunday we are here
]
;W[sh]CR[sh]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[guojuan [5p\]: same time
]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[abbadan [?\]: thank you
]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[sj]CR[sj]C[guojuan [5p\]: teachers are Mingjiu 7p, Jujo 9p and Guojuan5p
murky: B turn?
jakarta [-\]: s15 B
agui [8k\]: blacks turn
jasch [10k\]: pok thank you
os69os [7k\]: b to kill w
zee [11k\]: B to play
Chachi [10k\]: thanks
glint [-\]: xie xie 
murky: thank you MingJiu
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
seif [6k?\]: thank you
Medice [13k\]: thank you
Chocobovn [6k\]: thanks
zee [11k\]: Homework for next week
HW9x9 [-\]: tnx
Scribe [-\]: xiexie Mingjiu
inxi [?\]: thank you
au2 [3k\]: THANKS
nux [21k\]: thanks
jasch [10k\]: thank you 
Lanowen [29k?\]: thanks
wholeboard [9k\]: thanks
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much to both
Sjoerd [16k\]: thx
laohero [17k\]: thank you
xDarigaaz [15k\]: thank you
nannygoat [16k\]: thank you
lefuet [8k\]: b to kill ALL w stones unconditionally ;-)
Ruutana [12k\]: Thank you.
spingle [7k?\]: thankyou
silver2k4 [13k\]: thank you
glint [-\]: thx Ing foundation
zee [11k\]: Thanks
Ahndraniel [15k\]: thanks
browniepan: thank you
abbadan [?\]: thanks!
esuomikim [17k\]: thank You : )
offtosea [16k\]: Thanks!
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation
Excell2 [16k\]: thank you !
halley [23k\]: many thanks
os69os [7k\]: thx so much
hansili [11k\]: thank you very much
au2 [3k\]: have a great week
Rutabaga [22k?\]: thanks
frst [1d?\]: thx mingiju
Bodo212 [15k\]: thank you - thx scribe and
Ahndraniel [15k\]: cu
lefuet [8k\]: thanks :)
agui [8k\]: See you
offtosea [16k\]: Thanks for the sound!
klaashaas [15k?\]: xie xie ni
jasch [10k\]: bye
xDarigaaz [15k\]: see u
glint [-\]: thx Scribe & zee
Janez [2k\]: thx
wholeboard [9k\]: cu
offtosea [16k\]: bye!
guojuan [5p\]: send us sgf files if you have any questions
Ino7 [19k?\]: thx , cu
au2 [3k\]: bye
guojuan [5p\]: bye for now
abbadan [?\]: thanks, Scribe!
snowmen [2d\]: thx
Excell2 [16k\]: bye
barracuda [10k?\]: so b next step
])))