(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-06-12]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Lilltiger [10k\]: hi
KeiJoK [8k\]: :)
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: hi
gc1 [2d\]: yes
jkk [15k\]: hello
wrong [3d?\]: Nia hoa guojuan liaoshi
MrBen [21k\]: yes!
patanjali0 [8k?\]: sound ok
Lilltiger [10k\]: yes sound is great
jkk [15k\]: ok
wrong [3d?\]: hao*
Kenata [11k\]: hello, yes sound is good :)
frst [1k?\]: hi
Bodo212 [15k\]: ok -fine
Eragon [10k?\]: perfect
laohero [16k\]: yes :)
wrong [3d?\]: yes
wrong [3d?\]: here sunny ^_^
Scribe [-\]: view Guo Juan's info (right click on her name)
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[murky: Too rainy here
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[Wook [-\]: easy: Study outside when the weather is good :)
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: Oregon haS rain now
Scribe [-\]: quasi trick move, black D16
wingnut [-\]: 大头鬼
]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[cb]CR[cb]C[gc1 [2d\]: C17 
Scribe [-\]: black d14 is a move that tests white ability to respond correctly
Jakobicek [9k?\]: c17
urtela [2k\]: cut through
flogo [2k\]: C17 
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[flogo [2k\]: B18 
Scribe [-\]: important to review these lessons later.  once is not enough
]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[bc]CR[bc]LB[dd:A]
(;AW[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: review of last weeks lesson
Jakobicek [9k?\]: yes
Ubiquity [?\]: good for white...
Scribe [-\]: the white q16 stone works well with the upper left white stones
Scribe [-\]: black's upper left stones are less efficient due to the white stone at q4
Scribe [-\]: therefore this position is better for white
])
(;AB[pc][dp]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: b
Bodo212 [15k\]: audio gone?
wingnut [-\]: good for B
wrong [3d?\]: yes
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: left side
rakdver [12k\]: yes
olczyk [16k\]: I think Black has played two more stones than White.
tibra [14k\]: yes
urtela [2k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: given Black stones in the two adjacent corners, the situation is better for Black
])
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
(;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[on]CR[on])
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: therefore d16 is not truly a trick move.  It is valid provided the correct whole board situation obtains
hansb [4k?\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: forgotten
gc1 [2d\]: white R3 next
Scribe [-\]: what is Black q2 in place of r3---variation
hansb [4k?\]: the variation in Ishida book is wrong (i think)
Scribe [-\]: very good way to study is to look at the moves not played and try to understand it was not played
olczyk [16k\]: I don't believe in L5 in the first game of the 60th Honinbo match.
gc1 [2d\]: R3 
wrong [3d?\]: never be afraid of cutting
suducodu [?\]: what's your email?
kisai: info
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]LB[qm:A]C[ligo [9k?\]: s2
Scribe [-\]: Black q2 seeks to kill White corner
au2 [3k\]: b S1
]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[gc1 [2d\]: S7 
]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[zee [11k\]: W r3 extends liberties and damages B stones
flogo [2k\]: R9 
hansb [4k?\]: R9
]
(;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[agui [8k\]: R9
]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[qj]CR[qj]TR[qp][rp][qq][qr]C[RVREY [13k\]: R9
gc1 [2d\]: crawling like this looks bad
wingnut [-\]: crawl on 2nd line :(
Scribe [-\]: very bad for black....crawling on second line
zee [11k\]: bad for B
wrong [3d?\]: crawling on the 2nd line is humiliating
wingnut [-\]: L group
Scribe [-\]: even with white corner dead still very bad for black
Scribe [-\]: white corner stones are a basic shape
hansb [4k?\]: S1
Jakobicek [9k?\]: s2?
olczyk [16k\]: S2
Scribe [-\]: black s1 --> 4 liberties
agui [8k\]: yes very useful
]
(;B[]C[murky: r1
Scribe [-\]: s1 is best way for white to expand liberties
]
(;W[rs]CR[rs]C[agui [8k\]: s2
FLgator [6k\]: T2
suducodu [?\]: sound?
RVREY [13k\]: T2
flogo [2k\]: t2
wrong [3d?\]: t2
Jakobicek [9k?\]: t2
wingnut [-\]: T2 
gc1 [2d\]: T2 
zee [11k\]: W shape has 8 liberties
Scribe [-\]: 5 space is 8 liberties
]
;B[sr]CR[sr]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[ps]CR[ps]
;W[qs]CR[qs]
;B[sq]CR[sq]
;W[as]CR[as]C[os69os [7k\]: 7
]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[bs]CR[bs]
;B[rr]CR[rr]C[Scribe [-\]: 5 space nakade group
]
;W[ar]CR[ar]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[sq]CR[sq]
;W[cs]CR[cs]
;B[sr]CR[sr]
;W[aq]CR[aq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[KOCMOC [10k\]: 8
swordsplay [5k\]: isnt it 5-8?
wingnut [-\]: yes
])
(;W[as]CR[as]C[zee [11k\]: After that, the W group has 4 liberties
]
;B[rs]CR[rs]C[zee [11k\]: s1 followed by s2 is best for B
Scribe [-\]: s1 is best move for black as well
Scribe [-\]: white s1 --> 8 liberties
zee [11k\]: If W s1 then W has 8 liberties
guojuan [5p\]: s1 is the vital point of this game
]
(;W[qs]CR[qs]C[hansb [4k?\]: T2
agui [8k\]: s2
wrong [3d?\]: s2
]
(;B[rr]CR[rr]C[wingnut [-\]: many killing moves for B
])
(;B[sr]CR[sr]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: ko
]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[Scribe [-\]: ko
Jakobicek [9k?\]: ko
zee [11k\]: t2 does not work
agui [8k\]: ko
olczyk [16k\]: benr 4
]))
(;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[sq]CR[sq]C[wingnut [-\]: 4
agui [8k\]: 4
])))
(;B[qs]CR[qs]C[wingnut [-\]: S1 better than hane kills because reduces W liberties if capture-race?
zee [11k\]: t4 is sente
agui [8k\]: very nice !!
]
;W[rs]CR[rs]
(;B[ps]CR[ps]
(;W[rr]CR[rr])
(;W[sr]CR[sr]))
(;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[ps]CR[ps]
;B[sr]CR[sr])))
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[zee [11k\]: B cannot s8
]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Scribe [-\]: black forces white into  bad shape by R9
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
(;B[om]CR[om]C[gc1 [2d\]: T8 
]
(;W[on]CR[on]
;B[sl]CR[sl]C[zee [11k\]: This is better for B
]
;W[pn]CR[pn])
(;W[sl]CR[sl]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[ol]CR[ol]C[zee [11k\]: B p7  is a must
gc1 [2d\]: O4 
hansb [4k?\]: O4
Nanoc [1k\]: n6
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[zee [11k\]: W t8 is a must
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[so]CR[so]
;B[nn]LB[qk:2][rk:1][pl:3][om:10][rm:4][mn:12][nn:11][on:9][pn:8][rn:5][mo:13][qo:7][ro:6][np:14][pp:17][nq:15][pq:18][mr:16][pr:19]C[agui [8k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: this variation APPEARS locally very good for black
zee [11k\]: B spent more moves here (19)
guojuan [5p\]: 18
suducodu [?\]: 18
zee [11k\]: W spent 18
Scribe [-\]: Black spent an extra move, lost sente
zee [11k\]: and W has sente
zee [11k\]: OK for W
murky: W lost 5 stones too
agui [8k\]: yes
]
;C[wrong [3d?\]: joseki result accounts sente too
]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[dm]CR[dm]LB[dd:A]C[murky: sente worth 3 stones?
Scribe [-\]: D16 leads to many complicated fights
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: worth more early in game, much more
zee [11k\]: 2 variations of the joseki here
]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[sn]CR[sn]))
(;B[sl]CR[sl]
;W[om]CR[om]
(;B[kq]CR[kq]C[wrong [3d?\]: But W corner might live now
wrong [3d?\]: t7
wingnut [-\]: T2
swordsplay [5k\]: t4?
hansb [4k?\]: T7
au2 [3k\]: t3
]
;W[sp]CR[sp]C[Nu0li [3k\]: T7 T4 T9 S2 
wrong [3d?\]: t4 or t7
]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[sr]CR[sr]C[KeiJoK [8k\]: wow
])
(;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[lr]CR[lr]))))))
(;AW[cf][dj][cn][kq][nq]AB[dd][fd][jd][qj][pn][dp][fp][pp][iq]TR[dd][fd][jd][qj][pn][dp][fp][pp][iq]C[wrong [3d?\]: I have a collection of hamete (trick) positions ^_^
Scribe [-\]: Review of Common Shapes
wrong [3d?\]: ya, I hope we all can meet one day in Amsterdam
]
;B[sa]CR[sa]TR[dp][fp][iq]C[Scribe [-\]: lower right please
swordsplay [5k\]: lower left
wrong [3d?\]: for a real lesson
agui [8k\]: ok thanks
]
(;W[hd]CR[hd]C[olczyk [16k\]: Isn't that scary, to be known to anyone who can google?
niceNeasy [8k?\]: J15 
gc1 [2d\]: J15 
norb [12k\]: h17
hansb [4k?\]: J15
zee [11k\]: what for B?
flogo [2k\]: J15 
zee [11k\]: W c14 in danger and weak empty triangle
Scribe [-\]: do NOT play either h17 or h15
wingnut [-\]: hehe
wrong [3d?\]: just don't attach?
agui [8k\]: yes
zee [11k\]: Anything is better than h17 and h15
RVREY [13k\]: tout vaut mieux que H15 ou H17
Scribe [-\]: ANYTHING better than the two moves h15, h17 which touch a weak stone
wrong [3d?\]: clear as the sky ^_^
kisai: =)
egemen [11k\]: :)
norb [12k\]: your a nice teacher
RVREY [13k\]: lol
]
(;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[he]CR[he]C[flogo [2k\]: H14 
]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[agui [8k\]: H14
]
;B[df]CR[df]LB[he:B][cf:A]C[Scribe [-\]: black j15 is normally the best move for Black
zee [11k\]: Normally j15 is the best move
wrong [3d?\]: W in double-trouble
Scribe [-\]: white has two problems, both c14 and h15 stones are in danger
])
(;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
(;B[he]CR[he]
;W[hb]TR[hb][gc][ic][hd]C[zee [11k\]: hard for B
kisai: ahah no teritory anylonger 
wrong [3d?\]: ponnuki is 30 points worth usually
])
(;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[id]CR[id]C[wrong [3d?\]: except in yose
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[je]CR[je]))
(;B[he]CR[he]C[RVREY [13k\]: ne pas jouer H15 ou H17
XperiMenT [8k\]: White escapes
kisai: baad : /
Scribe [-\]: both h15 and h17 provide white with many forcing moves
wrong [3d?\]: never try to capture directly?
wingnut [-\]: yes, clear
]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[suducodu [?\]: White can hang?
]
;W[ie]CR[ie]C[KeiJoK [8k\]: white gets ponnuki
Scribe [-\]: forget these two moves h15 and h17
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hf]CR[hf]C[suducodu [?\]: *hanwe
]
;B[id]CR[id]TR[ge][ie][hf]C[kisai: get a ponnuki 
gc1 [2d\]: white will strenghten
wrong [3d?\]: W make ponnuki
zee [11k\]: W ponuki
])
(;B[ff]CR[ff])
(;B[jf]CR[jf]C[RVREY [13k\]: ne pas essayer de capturer
]))
(;W[pm]CR[pm]LB[om:B][qm:C][on:A]C[kyuplayer1 [11k\]: hope u are not wrong
gc1 [2d\]: common move
flogo [2k\]: yes
murky: handi
hansb [4k?\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: no...
zee [11k\]: q7 is common
gc1 [2d\]: not just in handi, in even games we see it a lot
RVREY [13k\]: Q7 est frequent
RVREY [13k\]: et tres insolite
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: anything - just try out
RVREY [13k\]: quoi choisir
RVREY [13k\]: c'est un jeu actif
zee [11k\]: p7 also attacks W
murky: C is too greedy
L2 [1d\]: what if white hanes underneath after P7 at R6 ?
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: B is also good
wrong [3d?\]: the idea is to let W make a weak group?
RVREY [13k\]: P6 ou P7 mieux que R7 n'ayez pas peur
zee [11k\]: don't be afraid to fight at a large scale
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: any pro is like Voice of God  :-)
]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]C[RVREY [13k\]: A B ou C
zee [11k\]: learn to play p6
RVREY [13k\]: jouez P6
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]C[zee [11k\]: c7 tries to connect
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[om]CR[om]C[hansb [4k?\]: P8
agui [8k\]: R6
]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[nj]TR[nj][rk][sk][nl][sl][nm][sm][sn][ro][so][nq]C[Djeki [13k\]: this move could be played in g4?
RVREY [13k\]: la blanc fait un mur tres solide
zee [11k\]: W becomes thick on the outside
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: if w stones on left side, this is powerful
zee [11k\]: B is low and inefficient
RVREY [13k\]: noir est petit
])
(;B[on]CR[on]C[wrong [3d?\]: worse moves are more probable to be played ;)
zee [11k\]: instead of r7
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: usually b shuld push out
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: walk ahead to center
zee [11k\]: p6 walks ahead toward center
smudge [11k\]: R6 is also nobi, is it bad for Black?
RVREY [13k\]: avec de bonnes compensations
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[oj]CR[oj]C[flogo [2k\]: white nest move here ?
]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[mi]LB[mi:B][oj:C][pj:D][qj:E][on:A]TR[qk][rk][sk][ql][rl][sl][qm][rm][sm]C[flogo [2k\]: ok
RVREY [13k\]: blanc court ..
zee [11k\]: W escapes
gc1 [2d\]: this is an active way to play
zee [11k\]: but B got compensation
])
(;B[om]CR[om]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[qn]CR[qn]))
(;W[gq]CR[gq]
(;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[ir]CR[ir])
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[wingnut [-\]: G4
Uvas [-\]: g4?
norb [12k\]: h4
niceNeasy [8k?\]: H3 ?
agui [8k\]: g4
wingnut [-\]: H4
Djeki [13k\]: h4
kisai: h4
hansb [4k?\]: H3
wrong [3d?\]: g2?
Chalx [5k\]: g2?
nannygoat [16k\]: g2
]
(;W[gp]TR[fp][gp][fq][gq]C[RVREY [13k\]: J5
hansb [4k?\]: G5
egemen [11k\]: g5
agui [8k\]: f2
kisai: white hane himself
]
(;B[go]CR[go]TR[fo]C[guojuan [5p\]: the 'head'
kisai: hane at the head ,,
guojuan [5p\]: cover the head
kisai: w is fool
RVREY [13k\]: il faut couvrir en G5
IAmCow [4k\]: j4
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[hq]CR[hq]C[kisai: ugly
wingnut [-\]: dango
agui [8k\]: very bad
puzi [12k\]: veeeeeery heavy
Djeki [13k\]: heavy
nannygoat [16k\]: very bad
suducodu [?\]: bad
])
(;B[fo]CR[fo]))
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[zee [11k\]: Always hane at the head of two if you are not afraid of a cut
nannygoat [16k\]: very nice
zee [11k\]: h3 avoids the ugly shape
Scribe [-\]: important to learn these basic shapes and principles
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: esp for western players to understand principles
hansb [4k?\]: correct
patanjali0 [8k?\]: right
swordsplay [5k\]: what if h4 after g3?
olczyk [16k\]: What did you say?
puzi [12k\]: "yes sensei, i believe you..." "yes sensei, i believe you but why?° ^^
kisai: ahah ^^
kisai: so better to understand of to follow blindly? ^^
RVREY [13k\]: what to do after w H3 ?
wrong [3d?\]: china kids are talented for Go, coz they learn to remember shapes by learning to write chinese characters
rakdver [12k\]: thank you
zee [11k\]: follow the principles by the master
Ahndraniel [15k\]: thanks
norb [12k\]: very very much thx
nannygoat [16k\]: thank you
Wook [-\]: thank you very much
kisai: thank you,, and to ing
Janez [2k\]: thx
KeiJoK [8k\]: thx
Out [17k?\]: 謝謝
murky: thank you
au2 [3k\]: thank you
laohero [16k\]: thank you
patanjali0 [8k?\]: thanks GJ:)
silvermoon [16k\]: thankyou very much
Torrent [5k\]: thank you
wingnut [-\]: xie xie 
zee [11k\]: thanks a lot
wholeboard [9k\]: thank you
silvermoon [16k\]: xie xie
RVREY [13k\]: thx very mutch
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
wrong [3d?\]: thank You Guo Juan liaoshi, nice lesson
Koreangrl8 [16k\]: Thanks
varvas [17k\]: hx
tom661 [8k\]: thanks
hansb [4k?\]: thank you
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[hansb [4k?\]: J2
]
;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[jr]CR[jr]C[hansb [4k?\]: G5
gc1 [2d\]: G5 
]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[ho]CR[ho]C[hansb [4k?\]: J5
kisai: j5
]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[agui [8k\]: J5
flogo [2k\]: blaxk won't play lke this...
gc1 [2d\]: one-way steeet now
])))))