(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-06-19]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
(;AW[nb][nc][pc][qc][rc][dd][do][dq]AB[lc][gd][nd][od][pd][qd][pj][jp][pp]C[olczyk [16k\]: Good morning.
Uvas [-\]: hi
noel [13k\]: hello
METARIKU01 [-\]: hi, good afternoon
Ruutana [11k\]: Hello
Bodo212 [15k\]: hello - good afternoon
laohero [16k\]: hi
murky: Hello
halley [22k\]: hi
dynamite [11k\]: hi
]
;B[]
;W[ql]CR[ql]LB[qj:B][qk:D][ol:A][qn:C]C[murky: lower side
playgo [5k\]: Q7 perhaps
dynamite [11k\]: C looks best
fint: c
noel [13k\]: i would prefer C
atman [4k\]: c
halley [22k\]: c
ohmygosh [4k?\]: a
jantiff [4k?\]: push towards thickness
dynamite [11k\]: takes base, chases against strengh
kilroy [9k\]: C
halley [22k\]: white will have to escape
atman [4k\]: drives white to the strong wall
noel [13k\]: C don't gives w the possibility to invade corner
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[jantiff [4k?\]: if black B, then w can settle with R4
])
(;B[qj]LB[rd:A][re:B][qj:C]C[dynamite [11k\]: dont use strengh to build territorry
playgo [5k\]: b still open
kasparob [4k\]: wall open on bottom
fint: open at s16
gc1 [2d\]: because of S17 
halley [22k\]: white can take the corner?
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: too think, bottom ope
Phil73 [23k\]: "Open skirt" ?
jantiff [4k?\]: yes
olczyk [16k\]: WHy not R9 then S16?
agui [8k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: This variation not good for Black.  top right side is open at S16
murky: cool
noel [13k\]: yes clear
Phil73 [23k\]: Yes.
agui [8k\]: yes , very clear
]))
(;AW[qb][mc][nc][qc][dd][md][qd][me][qf][rf][dp]AB[pb][pc][nd][pd][ne][pe][mf][qh][pk][jp][pq]LB[jd:D][kd:F][lf:A][og:E][dj:B][po:G][fq:C]C[gc1 [2d\]: M14 
zee [11k\]: B to play
olczyk [16k\]: D10
agui [8k\]: F3
Winduser [9k\]: F3
noel [13k\]: k10 maybe?
braincrash [?\]: p13
halley [22k\]: L16?
xix [18k\]: d14
kamu [8k\]: Q5?
atman [4k\]: I think m14 is best
zee [11k\]: It is about covering the head
]
(;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: M14 is the best play6
]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[Phil73 [23k\]: A proverb "the turning point is worth a lot".
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[halley [22k\]: white has a wall now
]
;W[lg]CR[lg]C[Phil73 [23k\]: "Turning move", I mean...
Scribe [-\]: these two white stones are Very powerful
agui [8k\]: yes
gc1 [2d\]: those moves can decide a game :)
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: vital point for power for both sides
Scribe [-\]: tian wang shan
Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tennouzan
Scribe [-\]: Rather than concentrate on sequences, determine the direction of play and only then begin to consider what local play will achieve that goal
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: find direction first then look for local move
zee [11k\]: Make sure of the direction of play first, then pick the local move
Phil73 [23k\]: Yes, clear.
agui [8k\]: yes clear
METARIKU01 [-\]: then after M14 the shimari is the biggest point right ?
laohero [16k\]: yes :)
Bodo212 [15k\]: no
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: clear
halley [22k\]: yes
gc1 [2d\]: studying pro game can help develop this intuition
])
(;B[lf]CR[lf]C[zee [11k\]: Compare the difference
Scribe [-\]: M14 is a point that is very important to both sides
dynamite [11k\]: white needs to protect his 4 stones now
Phil73 [23k\]: Left is for white here.
Phil73 [23k\]: Center for blackl here.
olczyk [16k\]: But white getsw an extra move in the first sequence.
Scribe [-\]: m14 is tennouzan
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes thx
Jakobicek [9k?\]: tennouzan?
agui [8k\]: yes
]))
(;AB[oc][jd][qd][pj]C[DrGoPlayer [6k\]: yes
maruseru [15k?\]: p15
agui [8k\]: P15
jantiff [4k?\]: probe or cap
Bodo212 [15k\]: no -sorry
maruseru [15k?\]: reduce lightly :)
dynamite [11k\]: like s16
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: I am new,,,,did not hear that lecture
Godaisuki [12k\]: Q12
Ubiquity [?\]: handicap game
Jakobicek [9k?\]: lol
]
;B[as]CR[as]C[wingnut [-\]: probe (asking move) 
]
(;W[rd]CR[rd]LB[qc:B][rc:C][qe:D][re:A]C[Scribe [-\]: Two ways to reduce this Black position
noel [13k\]: is this testing move?
Scribe [-\]: From within at S16
maruseru [15k?\]: probe
dynamite [11k\]: sabaki
maruseru [15k?\]: waqit and see
playgo [5k\]: kind of a probe
dynamite [11k\]: ajistones
Jakobicek [9k?\]: yes probe and play lightly
Godaisuki [12k\]: trick play
maruseru [15k?\]: depending on black's reaction, white will decide
Scribe [-\]: once small corner life is possible for White, gentle reduction from the outside is enough in combination with the little corner
sicbanana [15k\]: is that yosu-miru?
Scribe [-\]: Difficult for White once Black has blocked at r10 in response to White playing r12 as first move
maruseru [15k?\]: sicbanana: yes, yosu-miru = wait and see
au2 [3k\]: yes sicb
sicbanana [15k\]: or k
Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Yosumiru
]
(;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: small and gote
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: too deep
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[zee [11k\]: W can live but it is too small in the fuseki
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[zee [11k\]: s16 is an asking move
Scribe [-\]: white lives
Scribe [-\]: small
])
(;W[jj]CR[jj])
(;W[mg]CR[mg]
(;B[jh]CR[jh])
(;B[li]CR[li])
(;B[jj]CR[jj])))
(;B[re]CR[re]LB[rd:A]C[dynamite [11k\]: r15
maruseru [15k?\]: crosscut
Jakobicek [9k?\]: cut
METARIKU01 [-\]: crosscut
agui [8k\]: cut
playgo [5k\]: cut ?
jantiff [4k?\]: easy on w
maruseru [15k?\]: ah, thank you
Scribe [-\]: This area is Black's home....ko is a wonderful result for White
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: Black hane provides White with many forcing moves
zee [11k\]: Also, pressuring 2 B stones
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[METARIKU01 [-\]: Q16  now
maruseru [15k?\]: q16, then s14, then sabaki
jantiff [4k?\]: w gained tempo, S16 etc. are screening kikashi
atman [4k\]: I'm pretty good at getting that "great result" ;-)
zee [11k\]: B cannot win a ko in the early game
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[zee [11k\]: hard for B
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[zee [11k\]: GO has a different mentality
jantiff [4k?\]: IMHO, sacrifice is integral part of chess as well
Scribe [-\]: Sacrificing stones is VERY important in Go
olczyk [16k\]: First time Fisher played Robert Byrne he sacrificed his queen and won in about 15 moves.
]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[dynamite [11k\]: p13
sicbanana [15k\]: p13
agui [8k\]: P13
noel [13k\]: Q14?
maruseru [15k?\]: guojuan: what if black captures immediately after q16? then s14 wouldn't be forcing anymore
]
(;W[og]CR[og]C[maruseru [15k?\]: p13
kasparob [4k\]: P13
au2 [3k\]: q12
Scribe [-\]: Therefore Black s15 is questionable
Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Sabaki
zee [11k\]: Cut first and sacrifice a couple
Scribe [-\]: Chengdu ?
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[Scribe [-\]: See Making Good Shape
]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[mi]CR[mi]TR[oj][pj]C[zee [11k\]: W walked into moyo
maruseru [15k?\]: what if black captures immediately after q16? then s14 wouldn't be forcing anymore
])
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[dynamite [11k\]: happend to me once, i lost a 50 point group but won the game due to a wall i earned ^^ ( was a 9stone game)
sicbanana [15k\]: when is sabaki useless?
Scribe [-\]: White tries to save all stones and ends up with a heavy group
zee [11k\]: Try not to save every stone, your game will go better
jantiff [4k?\]: w is underdog, must play lightly
zee [11k\]: Big difference between GO and Chess
zee [11k\]: In chess, every piece is important
Scribe [-\]: Chess and Go very different....loses pieces in Chess can be diaster....losing stones in Go can be a great result
jantiff [4k?\]: crosscut as gambit ? :)
]))
(;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[maruseru [15k?\]: yes
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]))
(;B[rc]CR[rc]C[jantiff [4k?\]: Q16
maruseru [15k?\]: r15
zee [11k\]: but dangerous if B is strong
]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Blastoff2 [23k?\]: clear
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: White nearly alive
zee [11k\]: Two ways...trying to live
]
(;B[ri]CR[ri])
(;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[se]CR[se]))
(;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[jantiff [4k?\]: fast shape
]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[qe]CR[qe])
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[maruseru [15k?\]: doesn't help white to make shape :)
jantiff [4k?\]: R14 ?
]))
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[jantiff [4k?\]: :)
jantiff [4k?\]: nice tewari
]
(;B[qe]CR[qe])
(;B[re]CR[re])
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]))
(;W[oe]CR[oe]LB[nd:B][pf:A]C[jantiff [4k?\]: boshi power ^^
Scribe [-\]: The other choice is reduce at p15 in place of the probe at s16
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: yes
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: ok
olczyk [16k\]: Haiku players?
muarw [-\]: high kyu
Jakobicek [9k?\]: lol
liquis [15k\]: heh
gc1 [2d\]: Q14 
maruseru [15k?\]: q14 or o16
sicbanana [15k\]: q14?
rince [?\]: o16
noel [13k\]: i thought of R14
agui [8k\]: Q14 and O16
Phil73 [23k\]: r14
kyrilin [15k\]: n16
Bodo212 [15k\]: n1 6?
jantiff [4k?\]: O16 or Q14
kasparob [4k\]: P16
kyrilin [15k\]: n16
Eragon [10k\]: Q14
jantiff [4k?\]: try to cover the head :)
erikk [-\]: o14?
halley [22k\]: Q12
kyrilin [15k\]: ok :)
Katoan [9k\]: O15_
Phil73 [23k\]: Bad for crops.
maruseru [15k?\]: to protect the top
zee [11k\]: If B cuts at m14, W has two groups
jantiff [4k?\]: b P16 should have the ladder ?
Bodo212 [15k\]: clear
sicbanana [15k\]: yes
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: thank you
noel [13k\]: thank you
parsan [18k\]: thank you
Zagga [11k\]: thank you
rince [?\]: thx
tibra [15k\]: thank you a lot
Eragon [10k\]: thanks a lot :)
Phil73 [23k\]: Thank you !
muarw [-\]: thankyou
Ruutana [11k\]: Thank you.
nhycoh [7k\]: thx
jantiff [4k?\]: thanks for teaching !
Daywalker [10k\]: thank you
atman [4k\]: thank you
dynamite [11k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Thank you Guo Juan and Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
maruseru [15k?\]: thank you
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much !
wholeboard [8k\]: thank you!
murky: thank you GuoJuan
MaxAlan [?\]: thank you
Katoan [9k\]: thank you a thousand times
laohero [16k\]: thank you
swilks [7k\]: thank you
sicbanana [15k\]: thx for taking your time!
au2 [3k\]: thank you
beginner [14k\]: thank you
kirschi [16k\]: thanks
halley [22k\]: thx
jantiff [4k?\]: have a nice day, master :)
Winduser [9k\]: thank you
Bodo212 [15k\]: thank you very much
zee [11k\]: Thank you for a great lesson
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie LaoGuo
mingjiu [7p\]: hi
wingnut [-\]: xie xie Guo Juan 
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
os69os [7k\]: thank you
mrguess [20k?\]: thank you.
vhaen [17k\]: Thanks
olczyk [16k\]: Thank you
acmh7 [6k\]: thank you
wingnut [-\]: byee
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
sicbanana [15k\]: bye
beginner [14k\]: bye
SAD21 [21k\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: bbye
sheeryjay [23k?\]: thank yo
agui [8k\]: Bye
Daywalker [10k\]: bye
laohero [16k\]: bye
][jantiff [4k?\]: boshi power ^^
Scribe [-\]: The other choice is reduce at p15 in place of the probe at s16
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: yes
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: ok
olczyk [16k\]: Haiku players?
muarw [-\]: high kyu
Jakobicek [9k?\]: lol
liquis [15k\]: heh
gc1 [2d\]: Q14 
maruseru [15k?\]: q14 or o16
sicbanana [15k\]: q14?
rince [?\]: o16
noel [13k\]: i thought of R14
agui [8k\]: Q14 and O16
Phil73 [23k\]: r14
kyrilin [15k\]: n16
Bodo212 [15k\]: n1 6?
jantiff [4k?\]: O16 or Q14
kasparob [4k\]: P16
kyrilin [15k\]: n16
Eragon [10k\]: Q14
jantiff [4k?\]: try to cover the head :)
erikk [-\]: o14?
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[sicbanana [15k\]: 013?
jantiff [4k?\]: N16 thin - beware of cosecutive keima
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: n16 makes weak shape
rince [?\]: s16
agui [8k\]: Q16
sicbanana [15k\]: q12?
Jakobicek [9k?\]: r15?
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: run out
wingnut [-\]: Q13 ?
halley [22k\]: m16
maruseru [15k?\]: r15?
jantiff [4k?\]: R15 tsuke
Katoan [9k\]: r15
maruseru [15k?\]: s16?
rince [?\]: s16
jantiff [4k?\]: when in trouble, use contact plays to make shape
Jakobicek [9k?\]: make shape then run 
wingnut [-\]: shape 1st
Winduser [9k\]: Q17
Scribe [-\]: River runs out: the image is the Yangtze or Yellow river overflowing and flooding large areas of the countryside
]
(;W[pd]CR[pd]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [-\]: O16 devalues the right side
rince [?\]: yes ^^
noel [13k\]: i see thank you
Bodo212 [15k\]: nice - thx
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[noel [13k\]: after white Q16, is black R15 a bad move?
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[dynamite [11k\]: when attacked run first, when invading shape first
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[Scribe [-\]: Black r10 aims are preventing White from living on the side
]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[jantiff [4k?\]: w getting breadth
]
;W[mi]CR[mi])
(;B[qe]CR[qe]C[jantiff [4k?\]: technique: R15 direcly is inferior, grab the bulge point at Q16 first
noel [13k\]: yes
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[noel [13k\]: ah ok
guojuan [5p\]: big flood
gc1 [2d\]: can white try S16 instead of Q16 ?
]))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[rince [?\]: b q16 after r15
sicbanana [15k\]: b q15?
wingnut [-\]: clear
maruseru [15k?\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: clear
noel [13k\]: yes
Zagga [11k\]: very clear
agui [8k\]: yes, no question
Phil73 [23k\]: Yes, clear.
laohero [16k\]: yes
Brutha [9k?\]: why does black plays o16?
]
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[sicbanana [15k\]: yep
])
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[agui [8k\]: Q16 for black
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[pg]LB[pg:A]TR[oe][pe][qe]C[Scribe [-\]: If White skips q16, Black will punish with q16 himself....making White heavy or split
Jakobicek [9k?\]: ouch
Phil73 [23k\]: Strike at the center of symmetry.
Scribe [-\]: Either White must defend with q15 or Black will rip through at q15
dynamite [11k\]: middle of 3 stones = vital point
jantiff [4k?\]: centre of 3 stones is good shape
sicbanana [15k\]: hehe
Scribe [-\]: See Go Proverbs Illustrated
]
;AB[dp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[wingnut [-\]: it's out of print a long time Scribe :p
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[ss]CR[ss]C[Scribe [-\]: eBay.com
sicbanana [15k\]: f4
agui [8k\]: D6
sicbanana [15k\]: ?
dynamite [11k\]: f4
kasparob [4k\]: F4
Katoan [9k\]: d6
]
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[Brutha [9k?\]: d7 looks better
Scribe [-\]: D6 is the correct attact by White here
jantiff [4k?\]: shape move
Jakobicek [9k?\]: f4 and connect miai?
])
(;W[cn]CR[cn])
(;W[en]CR[en]C[sicbanana [15k\]: ah
]))))
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: Black q14 values the right side
]
(;W[of]CR[of]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[maruseru [15k?\]: o17 for white
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[maruseru [15k?\]: crosscut
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: p14 pushed from behind
agui [8k\]: P18
Zagga [11k\]: q17
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[jantiff [4k?\]: don't push from behind, make shape in contact rather
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[zee [11k\]: This is the way here
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[oa]CR[oa]C[jantiff [4k?\]: crosscut for kikashi
sicbanana [15k\]: m15?
maruseru [15k?\]: m15
]
;W[le]CR[le]C[agui [8k\]: M15
sicbanana [15k\]: :)
]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[jantiff [4k?\]: then make light shape :)
Scribe [-\]: M15 light play, great for making shape
]
;W[mc]CR[mc])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[agui [8k\]: atari
hansb [4k?\]: M17
maruseru [15k?\]: m17
jantiff [4k?\]: M17 atari :)
gc1 [2d\]: M17 
Zagga [11k\]: tenuki?
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Eragon [10k\]: n16 ?
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[TehNuki [17k\]: white has a wall, black has a lump
]
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[md]CR[md]C[Blastoff2 [23k?\]: ok
]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[dynamite [11k\]: k15
sicbanana [15k\]: l17
agui [8k\]: L15
Brutha [9k?\]: l15
maruseru [15k?\]: L15
Phil73 [23k\]: l17
liquis [15k\]: L18?
playgo [5k\]: L15 
kyrilin [15k\]: l17 or l18
suducodu [?\]: K15
jantiff [4k?\]: connect ?
Brutha [9k?\]: doesn't it depend on the ladder?
maruseru [15k?\]: sacrifice more :)
liquis [15k\]: K17
halley [22k\]: L18
rince [?\]: k17
maruseru [15k?\]: Blastoff2: but white's moves make thickness
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[sicbanana [15k\]: ah
jantiff [4k?\]: ^_^
jantiff [4k?\]: but w's move are on the outside
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[id]CR[id]LB[oa:3][nb:2][pb:4][nc:1][pc:5][nd:6]C[maruseru [15k?\]: if black cuts, white will get even more thickness
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: L15 only move
suducodu [?\]: What's wrong with k15?
Medice [12k\]: K15 L17 L15 K17 
zee [11k\]: W getting thick
agui [8k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
Phil73 [23k\]: OK.
jantiff [4k?\]: good result for w
halley [22k\]: yes
sicbanana [15k\]: look goodfro whit
zee [11k\]: It was B's moyo
dynamite [11k\]: dango
Scribe [-\]: Only possible move here is L15....Black is heavily overconcentrated
zee [11k\]: good for W since B had a lot of useless moves
Blastoff2 [23k?\]: yes but white many moves too?
]
;AB[cj][ej][dp][fp][pp][nq]C[Scribe [-\]: Black has 6 useless moves
Phil73 [23k\]: My god !!
noel [13k\]: :)
Eragon [10k\]: WOW lol
agui [8k\]: very differernt
halley [22k\]: waw
maruseru [15k?\]: big loss for black
Katoan [9k\]: haha
])
(;C[Scribe [-\]: White gave up three stones vs Black 6 useless stones
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Blastoff2 [23k?\]: understand
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[md]CR[md]LB[lf:A][nf:B]C[liquis [15k\]: M16
Scribe [-\]: White has thickness that will affect the rest of the game.  Black stones are locked out from the rest of the game
beginner [14k\]: m16
Medice [12k\]: m14
Katoan [9k\]: b
sicbanana [15k\]: o13
zee [11k\]: Two cutting points
agui [8k\]: L14
jantiff [4k?\]: P13 ?
xix [18k\]: l13
Brutha [9k?\]: m13
DrGoPlayer [6k\]: L14
playgo [5k\]: O15 P15 P16 stones are useless
]
(;W[lg]CR[lg]C[zee [11k\]: M16 not necessary
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Blastoff2 [23k?\]: can force b to save 4 stones then close cut
atman [4k\]: the three stones at o15 are useless
maruseru [15k?\]: o13
]
;W[ng]CR[ng]C[liquis [15k\]: P14
Eragon [10k\]: o13
kyrilin [15k\]: yes
zee [11k\]: M13 is good
]
;B[of]CR[of])
(;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[lf]CR[lf]LB[kc:1][ng:2]C[zee [11k\]: W sacrifice
sicbanana [15k\]: m13
sicbanana [15k\]: k
Phil73 [23k\]: bonth are weak, isn't it ?
swilks [7k\]: when i play 017, black usually pushes and cuts.  can you show that variation?
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