(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-06-26]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
(;AW[oc][dd][od][me][mg][qk][po][qp][qq]AB[pc][ld][qd][le][pf][cp][pq][or][qr]LB[qe:A]TR[pc][qd][me][pf][mg]C[Medice [11k\]: sound?
Ferhat [13k\]: no sound now
Phil73 [22k\]: We would like to hear your voice, master.
Scribe [-\]: no sound till Guojuan is ready 
guojuan [5p\]: HI
guojuan [5p\]: in 1min.
Koreangrl8 [16k\]: hello
guojuan [5p\]: :)
Daywalker [9k\]: hoi ^^
Hu [12k\]: Howdy
rince [?\]: hi ;) yes
Koreangrl8 [16k\]: yes
antant [20k\]: yeah
liquis [16k\]: yes
Daywalker [9k\]: yes
beginner [14k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: yes indeed
Hu [12k\]: Sound is good.
smudge [12k\]: Hi! Sound is fine!
Phil73 [22k\]: Yes !!
mrguess [22k?\]: hello.
rince [?\]: ;(
Phil73 [22k\]: Oh...
Scribe [-\]: Issue of basic shapes
wingnut [-\]: lesson subject: shape
Scribe [-\]: black to play
goglu [-\]: white move at R12 would be good
wrong [3d?\]: ni hao every1
dynamite [11k\]: black needs to help m16 group
Winduser [9k\]: M16 
agui [8k\]: N17
Phil73 [22k\]: n17 ?
goglu [-\]: black need a move at R11 I think
Excell2 [14k\]: H16
antant [20k\]: H15?
dynamite [11k\]: h16
wrong [3d?\]: j16 looks too high
gargamell [6k\]: n4?
antant [20k\]: N4 looks like a good attack
Tarkam [?\]: R11 before 
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: m14 is sente
seidelin [9k\]: o4
]
(;B[he]CR[he]C[Scribe [-\]: a contest for territory
agui [8k\]: yes
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]TR[ld][he][le]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not have eye shape
Scribe [-\]: white is making territory
Scribe [-\]: make eyes to make strong groups
Scribe [-\]: strong groups allow you to make territory
wingnut [-\]: no base
Scribe [-\]: this is a game about territory
])
(;B[]
;W[qe]CR[qe]TR[pc][qd][pf]C[Scribe [-\]: A is a weakness in the top right corner
Scribe [-\]: very severe attack
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: with the aid of white r9
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]LB[rf:D][pg:C][qh:B][rh:A]TR[qk]C[Scribe [-\]: white has escaped
wingnut [-\]: verify for yourself that the weakness is real
agui [8k\]: no
Excell2 [14k\]: double hane?
agui [8k\]: :))
Chijin [-\]: D
zimazima [4k\]: b
Scribe [-\]: offline investigate the results of each of these moves A B C and D
dynamite [11k\]: i think 2 problems per week aint enough ^_^
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[agui [8k\]: yes ok
wrong [3d?\]: this problem is for us to see how miserable our Go is :(
]
;W[of]CR[of]C[Excell2 [14k\]: no
Excell2 [14k\]: :)
agui [8k\]: not possible to kill
])
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: the weakness in the top right is due to white stones being nearby
rince [?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: urgent move
]))
(;AW[pf][qf]AB[kc][nd][pd][qe]C[Grimley [8k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: common shape, especially in handicap games
dynamite [11k\]: right :)
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: ok , nice
Scribe [-\]: black s15 is used when black can attack the outside two white stones
Grimley [8k\]: s14
Jeddy [17k\]: S15
dynamite [11k\]: s15
]
(;B[ss]CR[ss]C[Arkdragon [13k\]: cool'
Hu [12k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tesuji
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[antant [20k\]: what if black responds Q17?
antant [20k\]: white p17, black Q17
mkpkmk [12k\]: so what's the best move for B?
BlueJays [?\]: yes
Phil73 [22k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: after r17 black has 3 answers, so learn the 3 responses to black
Arkdragon [13k\]: yes
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[goglu [-\]: how about R16  for black after white plays sansan ?
Ives08 [7k?\]: what abt S16?
wrong [3d?\]: B is weaker in handi games, usually ^^
]
;W[re]LB[re:A]C[Scribe [-\]: white connects back to the outside
Scribe [-\]: using s15
Excell2 [14k\]: that was the original 
antant [20k\]: sorry i meant after P17
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[wrong [3d?\]: S16 is common endgame here?
]
;B[rc]CR[rc])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: white reduces the corner and retains sente using S15
ic3man [2k\]: :)
Scribe [-\]: very hard to have to read every move in a game....we must learn basic shapes
jantiff [4k?\]: it makes w S13 sente too :)
agui [8k\]: what about black q17 ?
esuomikim [16k\]: yes
esuomikim [16k\]: what if W S17 ?
]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qb]CR[qb]LB[md:A]C[jantiff [4k?\]: w is so solid
Grimley [8k\]: your mixing up the colors
Grimley [8k\]: white is very strong
][jantiff [4k?\]: w is so solid
])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Excell2 [14k\]: w can r18
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]LB[rb:B][rf:A]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: good texuji but often wrong for b
Scribe [-\]: black s16 is an overplay here, now black is in trouble
jantiff [4k?\]: miai
agui [8k\]: for white ?
Scribe [-\]: white is in trouble....NOT black
agui [8k\]: no prob, thanks
Chijin [-\]: T15 no?
Arkdragon [13k\]: ^_^
Scribe [-\]: s14 and s18 are miai
]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: just so you are not infectious  :-)
])
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rb]CR[rb]LB[ra:4][sb:3][sc:2][sd:1])))
(;AE[kc]AW[lc][le]C[Scribe [-\]: s16 while tesuji is right here when white is strong outside
Ferhat [13k\]: sound is giong worse
])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]C[esuomikim [16k\]: yes
Guowei1000 [11k\]: black happy! 
kyrilin [14k\]: yes ^^
antant [20k\]: B s14/
agui [8k\]: s14
goglu [-\]: R16 for black
kyrilin [14k\]: b r17
TblKBA [11k\]: T15 ?
rarr [6k?\]: r16
Guowei1000 [11k\]: black ignore and play somewhere else
dynamite [11k\]: s14
Jeddy [17k\]: s14
Ferhat [13k\]: s14
esuomikim [16k\]: R16 T16 
Chijin [-\]: S14 
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[playm8 [9k\]: b jumping with joy :)
]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[esuomikim [16k\]: right
])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Chijin [-\]: O13 
]))
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Excell2 [14k\]: b cut and dead
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: r16 unless w very strong on outside
antant [20k\]: black is cut
Scribe [-\]: This is homework
wrong [3d?\]: yes, homework
esuomikim [16k\]: : )
lefuet [9k\]: ok :)
Phil73 [22k\]: Too sad...
jantiff [4k?\]: :)
Chijin [-\]: ok
Phil73 [22k\]: OK
Chijin [-\]: thanks
agui [8k\]: ok
Hu [12k\]: Thank you very much for a useful set of variations, guojuan.
Chijin [-\]: :D
murky: thanks
esuomikim [16k\]: thank You very much : )
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to Ing Foundation
antant [20k\]: thank you :)
wrong [3d?\]: xie xie ni
Jeddy [17k\]: thank you
playm8 [9k\]: thx
jantiff [4k?\]: very clear teaching, thank you master :)
XuShuyi [29k?\]: thanks :)
playm8 [9k\]: cya
au2 [3k\]: THANKS
esuomikim [16k\]: bye bye
parsan [17k\]: thank you
ToSla [12k\]: thank you
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much !!
nux [19k\]: thanks
chucha [16k\]: tanks
lefuet [9k\]: thanks
Phil73 [22k\]: xie xie
smuin [?\]: bye
xDarigaaz [14k\]: thx
zimazima [4k\]: thanx
antant [20k\]: bye :)
xDarigaaz [14k\]: bye
mingjiu [7p\]: hi
parsan [17k\]: bye
Chijin [-\]: lol
chucha [16k\]: xie xie
agui [8k\]: bye
lefuet [9k\]: cu
wrong [3d?\]: za jian
mrguess [22k?\]: bye.
Excell2 [14k\]: bye
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
wingnut [-\]: thx guojuan, Ing foundation
wholeboard [8k\]: thx
mingjiu [7p\]: yes
antant [20k\]: ha tee joi geen :D
monchacha [12k\]: thanks bye
])))
(;AE[kc]AW[lc][le][nf]C[wrong [3d?\]: sound is ok
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: when to use this tesuji - when w is strong on ouside
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[sc]CR[sc])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: s16 is great tesuji to live in the corner
Scribe [-\]: high kyu level move
Arkdragon [13k\]: whats tesuji?
agui [8k\]: A best local move
Excell2 [14k\]: best local move
Arkdragon [13k\]: ok
dynamite [11k\]: its like school *g*
])))
(;B[re]CR[re]TR[pf][qf]C[Scribe [-\]: in this case s16 tesuji is wrong....due to weakness in black at n16
agui [8k\]: ok
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: here w becomes thick while b has weakness at N16 if use that tesuji
Chijin [-\]: P18 
goglu [-\]: P17 
jantiff [4k?\]: P17 :)
wingnut [-\]: P17 ?
Winduser [9k\]: P17
rarr [6k?\]: p17
au2 [3k\]: P18
agui [8k\]: p18
antant [20k\]: p17
XperiMenT [8k\]: P18
jantiff [4k?\]: P18 is bad... b P17 :)
lefuet [9k\]: yea :)
wrong [3d?\]: black can get to the right side too
Scribe [-\]: black q17 preserves as much top territory as possible
]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: two variations here
agui [8k\]: yes I see
wrong [3d?\]: I see S16 sometimes
agui [8k\]: ok
jantiff [4k?\]: bS16 leaves aji at R16
]
(;B[od]CR[od]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: best
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]LB[mc:A]C[Scribe [-\]: p17 is the best white move here, makes life easily
antant [20k\]: :)
Phil73 [22k\]: false eye
jantiff [4k?\]: S15 that is
]
(;AW[qi]AB[qk]
(;B[oj]CR[oj])
(;B[oi]CR[oi]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: for this line, b needs good plan to attack 2 w stones
Arkdragon [13k\]: what if the cut?
]))
(;AB[oi]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[agui [8k\]: yes
playm8 [9k\]: i believe i saw R16 as well
lefuet [9k\]: was b R16 as answer to w R17 already handled?
Chijin [-\]: if white does not have Q14 R14 3-3 is impossible?
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Nexo [3k\]: escape
Chijin [-\]: S18 
Chijin [-\]: N17 
agui [8k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: ok thank you very much 
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [3d?\]: W happy
]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[jantiff [4k?\]: very bad for b :)
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[jantiff [4k?\]: :\]
agui [8k\]: ahhhh nice !!
Scribe [-\]: wonderful for white
antant [20k\]: yes
Arkdragon [13k\]: yes
])
(;B[od]CR[od]C[mkpkmk [12k\]: O17?
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Excell2 [14k\]: yeah
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Nexo [3k\]: black can peep at o18 before p16?
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[wrong [3d?\]: bluffing pays of sometimes ^_^
])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[nc]CR[nc])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[od]LB[pc:A][od:B]C[agui [8k\]: yes white lives
Ives08 [7k?\]: is responsing W R17 with S16 good?
agui [8k\]: P16 is the key move !ª
antant [20k\]: ok :)
jantiff [4k?\]: so, P16 is urgent in this position :)
]))))
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: p18 bad move
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[rarr [6k?\]: no cutting point
Arkdragon [13k\]: no cutting point
dynamite [11k\]: b used less stones
antant [20k\]: harder to live
jantiff [4k?\]: w well contained
agui [8k\]: is o18 possible for white ?
wingnut [-\]: B stronger on outside, W less space to live inside
])
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Nexo [3k\]: black has more point
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[agui [8k\]: yes
Chijin [-\]: w
Nexo [3k\]: white
goglu [-\]: white dies
Excell2 [14k\]: w
flogo [1k\]: w
wrong [3d?\]: W
agui [8k\]: white
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[antant [20k\]: white
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Arkdragon [13k\]: w
jantiff [4k?\]: thanks to R15, b wins the race
])))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[re]CR[re])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]TR[qc][pf][qf]C[goglu [-\]: R16 after white invades sansan
playm8 [9k\]: yes
lefuet [9k\]: yes
jantiff [4k?\]: R16... inefficient :)
Grimley [8k\]: now q18 for white?
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: marked stones are weaker
Phil73 [22k\]: empty trianlge is often bad, no ?
Scribe [-\]: against the principles, white gets hit on the head
agui [8k\]: yes , very clear, thanks
Arkdragon [13k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: what if black s18
wrong [3d?\]: clearly clear^^
flogo [1k\]: black S16 ?
Florian [6k\]: ?
Scribe [-\]: after white q18
Ives08 [7k?\]: what abt B plays at S16?
lefuet [9k\]: what if w Q18 b Q17?
Excell2 [14k\]: whats blacks best answer to sansan?
dynamite [11k\]: taisha o-nadare... :D
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Grimley [8k\]: q18 lives
Scribe [-\]: black s15 makes the two outside stones much weaker, r16 does nto affect the outside whtie stones
ricecooker [?\]: wow
sestir [4k\]: yes, Phil
wingnut [-\]: right phil
wrong [3d?\]: W is punched at the head
Chijin [-\]: haha
BlueJays [?\]: p17 doesn't work here?
jantiff [4k?\]: don't play into hane at the head of 2 :)
xDarigaaz [14k\]: yes
Grimley [8k\]: ok
antant [20k\]: yes thanks :)
wingnut [-\]: yes,, clear
playm8 [9k\]: thx
wingnut [-\]: best answer depends on the context
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[jantiff [4k?\]: well... hane :)
dynamite [11k\]: q17?
antant [20k\]: S17?
wingnut [-\]: overplay?
agui [8k\]: S17
Grimley [8k\]: its wrong
mkpkmk [12k\]: S18?
BlueJays [?\]: s18
TblKBA [11k\]: S16 ?
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Grimley [8k\]: s16
Scribe [-\]: white lives
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[wingnut [-\]: yes
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[sc]CR[sc])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[pc]CR[pc]LB[nc:B][od:A]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Phil73 [22k\]: and now two empty triangles...
goglu [-\]: R19 
BlueJays [?\]: t18
antant [20k\]: R19
xDarigaaz [14k\]: r19
]
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[jantiff [4k?\]: :)
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]LB[mb:A][md:B]C[wrong [3d?\]: is there going to be an EXAM after this series :)))
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[playm8 [9k\]: wrong: i sure hope not, i hate exams ^^()
])))
(;W[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [-\]: q17 very bad move
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[flogo [1k\]: don't push from behind (-:
])))
(;AW[ph][qj]C[TblKBA [11k\]: S15 ?
agui [8k\]: s14
HyperSonic [19k?\]: s15
Scribe [-\]: you said there were two invasion for white
Medice [11k\]: (white strong)
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: what is the second one ?
]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[Nexo [3k\]: s14
Scribe [-\]: black defends with s14 to make the tesuji of s16 work should white choose to invade
Arkdragon [13k\]: ?
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rd]CR[rd]LB[rf:A][rg:B]C[lefuet [9k\]: nice :)
agui [8k\]: yes
]
;W[sf]CR[sf]C[wingnut [-\]: :)
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[agui [8k\]: black sente
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: now s16 keeps corner
])
(;AW[pj][on][qn][rp]AB[pp][nq][qq]C[Scribe [-\]: s14 will make white stronger but is strong already become overconcetrated
wrong [3d?\]: true knoledge is to know when to STOP playing somewhere
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: b takes sente
]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[re]CR[re]C[Scribe [-\]: blacks connection at s15 is sente if white has territory outside
]
(;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Arkdragon [13k\]: lots
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Phil73 [22k\]: It looks so simple, but it's deadly !
Scribe [-\]: if white tenukis, the clamp of s12 is severe
]
(;W[sg]CR[sg]C[agui [8k\]: R13
Arkdragon [13k\]: what about the ladder
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]C[jantiff [4k?\]: cut
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[antant [20k\]: T14
mkpkmk [12k\]: no
]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[ph]CR[ph]C[goglu [-\]: R12
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[of]CR[of]C[jantiff [4k?\]: or jump :)
BlueJays [?\]: q12
])
(;B[ph]CR[ph]C[wrong [3d?\]: pros use R13 move in similar positions
]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[dynamite [11k\]: @ arkdragon there is no ladder
wrong [3d?\]: if want to invade, but not here, W too strong on the right
Scribe [-\]: splits the white position
agui [8k\]: yes better
wrong [3d?\]: I meant R11, sorry
Scribe [-\]: horrible for whtie
]))
(;W[qg]CR[qg]
(;B[sg]CR[sg]C[agui [8k\]: yes
])
(;B[qk]CR[qk])))
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: leave aji
]))
(;AW[qi]AB[qk]C[Scribe [-\]: s15 threatens to take whites base
]
;B[re]CR[re]LB[rg:A]C[Chijin [-\]: :O
jantiff [4k?\]: severe sagari
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: here nobi is good
Scribe [-\]: s15 is third option for black
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: take w base away
Scribe [-\]: white is not strong on outside
agui [8k\]: yes ,clear
Scribe [-\]: three ways: s14 and take sente, s14 and connect, s15
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[mk]CR[mk]LB[rg:A]C[Chijin [-\]: crystal
agui [8k\]: yes thanks
antant [20k\]: yes :)
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: yes
esuomikim [16k\]: sorry but I have a question about a thing You already were talking about, I mena this tesuji: R17 Q17 S15 S16 
Phil73 [22k\]: Yes.
esuomikim [16k\]: could I ask later ?
wingnut [-\]: when should B play the corner defense move or W invade san-san?  how many points this move worth/
wrong [3d?\]: popular joseki ^^
])))