(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3000]OT[5x50 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-06-26]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[playm8 [9k\]: hi
Excell2 [14k\]: hello
Chijin [-\]: hi
parsan [17k\]: hi
wrong [3d?\]: ni hao
Chijin [-\]: haha
wholeboard [8k\]: hi
ratata [3k\]: hi
smuin [?\]: hello
esuomikim [16k\]: hi : )
xDarigaaz [14k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: nihao
mrguess [22k?\]: hello
murky: Hi
Daywalker [9k\]: hi ^^
Guowei1000 [11k\]: evening!
Scribe [-\]: good sound
zimazima [4k\]: hi
wingnut [-\]: uh-huh
agui [8k\]: Hello
Hu [12k\]: Hello, sound clear.
HyperSonic [19k?\]: wow very loud
wrong [3d?\]: sound is so cool now
esuomikim [16k\]: in my place it's good afternoon ; )
Scribe [-\]: Homework first
playm8 [9k\]: my dog ate it :/
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]C[Daywalker [9k\]: lol
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[wrong [3d?\]: apple pie was ur homework playm8????
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[playm8 [9k\]: some of it maybe ^^
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[qd]CR[qd]TR[md]C[wrong [3d?\]: hmmm, this problem... deja vu
Chijin [-\]: blakck to live?
Chijin [-\]: hehe
Chijin [-\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: White to play
goglu [-\]: easy to live for black :)
wrong [3d?\]: very important
]
;B[ae]CR[ae]C[Scribe [-\]: n16 is critical outside liberty for black
wrong [3d?\]: it'd not be a problem then
Scribe [-\]: fill n16 and very easy for white to kill
MTtriangle [-\]: black dies with Q18?
XperiMenT [8k\]: O19?
Guowei1000 [11k\]: hilow
zimazima [4k\]: q18
murky: W kills B
SAD21 [21k\]: Q19
monchacha [12k\]: q18 b live
Winduser [9k\]: N19
Godaisuki [12k\]: P19?
Ives08 [7k?\]: if N16's liberty is gone.. can work
mkpkmk [12k\]: B alive
wingnut [-\]: B N19 is mistake
jantiff [4k?\]: :)
]
(;W[md]CR[md])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[goglu [-\]: Q18 does not work, Black plays N19
rarr [6k?\]: n19
Florian [6k\]: q19?
wrong [3d?\]: if W still loses by ½, then ko not enough
]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[esuomikim [16k\]: n19
zimazima [4k\]: p19
Scribe [-\]: two eyes already
]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[oa]CR[oa])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[ma]CR[ma]LB[la:A][mb:B]C[esuomikim [16k\]: sorry I was absent last time I just improvise but maybe K19 ?
Godaisuki [12k\]: O19
goglu [-\]: it seems that N19 is the vital point.  How about if white plays it ?
dynamite [11k\]: w plays n19 herself? :)
Scribe [-\]: white can not destroy the eye at n18 with p19
goglu [-\]: Great problem !
wrong [3d?\]: O19 doesn't work
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Godaisuki [12k\]: P18
]
;B[na]CR[na])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]CR[nb]))
(;W[na]CR[na]C[rarr [6k?\]: how about k19
kyrilin [14k\]: right, medice ^^
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Florian [6k\]: q19?
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[eq [4k\]: :D
]
;B[ja]CR[ja]
;W[la]CR[la]C[mkpkmk [12k\]: dead
]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]C[agui [8k\]: alive
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[wrong [3d?\]: no no no
Scribe [-\]: dead
])
(;B[mb]CR[mb]C[goglu [-\]: seki
Scribe [-\]: seki
Gwen [18k\]: seki
agui [8k\]: alive
]
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[reddragon [15k\]: seki
Wagner [?\]: throw in p18
wrong [3d?\]: but W has...
wrong [3d?\]: P18
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Godaisuki [12k\]: alive
mkpkmk [12k\]: seki
])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[agui [8k\]: o18
zimazima [4k\]: p18
sestir [4k\]: :)
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[reddragon [15k\]: ko
ricecooker [?\]: wow
mkpkmk [12k\]: dead
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[mkpkmk [12k\]: wow
]
;B[ka]CR[ka]C[Nexo [3k\]: live
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[wrong [3d?\]: ko
Nexo [3k\]: in ko
Godaisuki [12k\]: ko to live
murky: there is fine line between ko and seki
wrong [3d?\]: no
XperiMenT [8k\]: probrably not
wrong [3d?\]: depends on the rest of the board
]
;B[ma]CR[ma])))
(;B[ma]CR[ma]C[goglu [-\]: Q19 
agui [8k\]: p18
agui [8k\]: nice
Medice [11k\]: black cant kill
]
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[sev [9k\]: Q19
Arkdragon [13k\]: p 18
mkpkmk [12k\]: P18
Scribe [-\]: q19 tesuji to connect with s19
Scribe [-\]: o19
rarr [6k?\]: hehe
murky: Q19 thirst then
mkpkmk [12k\]: P18?
wingnut [-\]: clear
Medice [11k\]: P18 P19 Q18 R18 
])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[pa]CR[pa])))
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Ives08 [7k?\]: hehe
]
(;B[ma]CR[ma]C[agui [8k\]: o19
goglu [-\]: Q19 is amazing !
dynamite [11k\]: meiner erst
]
;W[na]CR[na]C[wrong [3d?\]: madre mia
Daywalker [9k\]: lol q19 looks so weird xD
])
(;B[na]CR[na]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ja]CR[ja]C[Medice [11k\]: mein got!
])
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[ja]CR[ja]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[ka]CR[ka]C[wrong [3d?\]: mingjiu would be a great kibitzer ^_^
agui [8k\]: p19
os69os [7k\]: lol  wow q19
])))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
(;W[md]CR[md]C[Scribe [-\]: Question from student
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[oeillet [8k\]: your right, wrong :)
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Medice [11k\]: q16
ratata [3k\]: q16
goglu [-\]: Q16 is standard
]
(;W[pd]CR[pd]C[jantiff [4k?\]: yes
antant [20k\]: o13 is more influential
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[flogo [1k\]: black p16 (-:
kyrilin [14k\]: thx, wrong
ndkrempel [4k\]: can you show a good joseki to play if black plays 3 space pincer instead of 2 space?
wrong [3d?\]: before "climbing", check the ladder first
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[wrong [3d?\]: bu xiw
wrong [3d?\]: bu xie
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[antant [20k\]: R14
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pg]CR[pg]LB[pf:A]C[antant [20k\]: here
wrong [3d?\]: Go is like real life, u can't ladders everywhere
monchacha [12k\]: 94 instead of n14
]
(;W[mf]CR[mf]C[antant [20k\]: R13
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[me]CR[me]C[antant [20k\]: what about O14 ladder?
]
;B[of]CR[of]C[li92093 [5k\]: white o14?
]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]C[oeillet [8k\]: s13
]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[antant [20k\]: S15
]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[oeillet [8k\]: n13 cut
])
(;W[rg]CR[rg]C[antant [20k\]: back a little
jantiff [4k?\]: that ladder is good for black...
mkpkmk [12k\]: B R15
rarr [6k?\]: s12?
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[oeillet [8k\]: s12
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[monchacha [12k\]: o14 instead of n14
]
(;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[si]CR[si]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[monchacha [12k\]: will be a ladder
])
(;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qh]CR[qh])))
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[wrong [3d?\]: can't find*
antant [20k\]: thats what i said
]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[le]CR[le]C[chucha [16k\]: ladder
]))
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: ok black if ladder does not work for black
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[agui [8k\]: yes
mpu [-\]: yes
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[rd]CR[rd])
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[me]CR[me]C[jantiff [4k?\]: sure
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[jantiff [4k?\]: b will Q18
])))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]LB[qb:F][nc:C][pd:B][qd:E][qe:D][pf:A]C[sev [9k\]: black Q16
babysitter [18k?\]: q16 
agui [8k\]: q16
parsan [17k\]: ladder
dynamite [11k\]: b can cut
goglu [-\]: black can still play O17 
mkpkmk [12k\]: q16
Ives08 [7k?\]: r18?
jantiff [4k?\]: Q14 ?
Jsh21 [13k\]: o17
parsan [17k\]: P14 ?
babysitter [18k?\]: q16 r16 017
Godaisuki [12k\]: P14 ladder
Scribe [-\]: o17 would not punish white for violating order of moves
sev [9k\]: maybe R18
flogo [1k\]: R15  
goglu [-\]: R17 is seen in pro games, I don't think you can "punish"
shin04 [4k\]: r16
wrong [3d?\]: kyus managet to confuse a pro easier than another pro ^_^
wrong [3d?\]: manage*
Chijin [-\]: haha
jantiff [4k?\]: lol
rince [?\]: lol
rarr [6k?\]: too fancy, haha
Daywalker [9k\]: this is so funny ^^
Scribe [-\]: joseki are never wrong....but may be used in the wrong situation
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: black o17 reverts to standard joseki
wrong [3d?\]: hope we won't find some revolutionary move here
]
(;W[pd]CR[pd]C[OOOOOO [1d?\]: but forced
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[agui [8k\]: for white
murky: Good for W
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[jantiff [4k?\]: transposition
wrong [3d?\]: back to joseki
]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Chijin [-\]: what if B Q14 
Chijin [-\]: ?
jantiff [4k?\]: oh ?
]
;B[aa]CR[aa]C[wrong [3d?\]: if Q18, W has too many cutting points
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[goglu [-\]: after white Q18, black could tenuki
jantiff [4k?\]: well, P18 looks bad
])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Jsh21 [13k\]: gd for b
Hu [12k\]: Black is overconcentrated.
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Chijin [-\]: wasted move
agui [8k\]: white S16
jantiff [4k?\]: yose
parsan [17k\]: tenuki
rarr [6k?\]: good for b
]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[goglu [-\]: white could play Q18 instead of Q16 
]))
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Medice [11k\]: q16?
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[agui [8k\]: s16
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[me]CR[me])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Schorrii [17k\]: how should black go on ?
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[sev [9k\]: black so happy now
Scribe [-\]: black punishes
]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[wrong [3d?\]: especially right side
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[wrong [3d?\]: W has o18 too now
agui [8k\]: yes
jantiff [4k?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: black very strong
oeillet [8k\]: sente more than 4 points
parsan [17k\]: about 300 points more ;P
Scribe [-\]: black outside better than white inside
jantiff [4k?\]: no doubt about that :)
])))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[babysitter [18k?\]: bQ16 wR16 bO17
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Jsh21 [13k\]: must be ur joseki wrong.
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[Medice [11k\]: didn't i say q16 in the first place :P
mpu [-\]: what if white O17 now?
murky: O13 lovily tesuji
kyrilin [14k\]: why 013 and not ladder directly?
jantiff [4k?\]: so R17 is not joseki ?
oeillet [8k\]: the ladder could fail
kyrilin [14k\]: p13 instead?
wrong [3d?\]: like in real life, avoid unnecessary ladders
OOOOOO [1d?\]: we are counting ladder does not work
kyrilin [14k\]: ok :)
wrong [3d?\]: that is what I meant, choosing wrong joseki
Chijin [-\]: indeed
wingnut [-\]: clear
agui [8k\]: yes very cleaqr, thasnks
Jsh21 [13k\]: clear
Hu [12k\]: It is good to know how to punish things.
wrong [3d?\]: we're in byoyomi????????
Jsh21 [13k\]: thank you 
playm8 [9k\]: crystal
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: wrong's joseki
li92093 [5k\]: white q13
jantiff [4k?\]: thanks for teaching
]
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[jantiff [4k?\]: lol
Hu [12k\]: Killing is gote.
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[wingnut [-\]: same shape
Chijin [-\]: black so happy AGAIN :D
agui [8k\]: yes  :)
Kangee [12k\]: :D
])
(;W[aa]CR[aa]C[Scribe [-\]: again black outside will be better
wrong [3d?\]: A19 is tesuji ^^
]
;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[mpu [-\]: what if white O17?
playm8 [9k\]: A19 not good, A1 is the correct move
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[playm8 [9k\]: <--- see info
jantiff [4k?\]: ^^
]
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[dynamite [11k\]: b so generous :)
Hu [12k\]: Wrong place, wrong time, playm8
wrong [3d?\]: ya, I saw somewhere in some article
])
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[wrong [3d?\]: it's good to add a stone to the already dead ones
Scribe [-\]: even better for black is to sacrifce three stones
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mc]CR[mc]))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[wingnut [-\]: eye stealing 
]
(;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Chijin [-\]: black gains power and white little territory?
])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qf]CR[qf])))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pd]CR[pd])
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[dynamite [11k\]: I'm really fond of your oops *g*
])
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oc]CR[oc])))
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[jantiff [4k?\]: are there such thing as "bad joseki" ? ;-)
Chijin [-\]: hehe
wrong [3d?\]: if bad, not joseki
wingnut [-\]: 2 mins to go in lesson :)
wrong [3d?\]: there is WRONG joseki though
]))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[wrong [3d?\]: homework?????
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Chijin [-\]: !
MTtriangle [-\]: s19
li92093 [5k\]: p19
Chijin [-\]: answer?
]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[rarr [6k?\]: yes
rince [?\]: yes 
Medice [11k\]: yes
playm8 [9k\]: yes
aimefreak [30k?\]: yes
oeillet [8k\]: yes
ratata [3k\]: yes
li92093 [5k\]: yes
wholeboard [8k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
dynamite [11k\]: haha looks like your kgs+ lecture yesterday :)
Chijin [-\]: yes
rince [?\]: deja vue :P
Chijin [-\]: "
Chijin [-\]: was?
antant [20k\]: 1
rince [?\]: 2
MTtriangle [-\]: 2
Chijin [-\]: 3
oeillet [8k\]: 1
cless [18k\]: b p19 and lives
goglu [-\]: 2 ways
rarr [6k?\]: 4
li92093 [5k\]: 2
hansb [4k?\]: two
Schorrii [17k\]: 2
dynamite [11k\]: 3
Jsh21 [13k\]: 1
murky: 4
ratata [3k\]: 2
agui [8k\]: 3
rarr [6k?\]: 3
Medice [11k\]: 2.
kyrilin [14k\]: 3
oeillet [8k\]: s19 p19
cless [18k\]: i c now
XperiMenT [8k\]: 2
playm8 [9k\]: 2 ways
wrong [3d?\]: only two
rarr [6k?\]: oops, 2
mkpkmk [12k\]: 2
wingnut [-\]: tenuki
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[mkpkmk [12k\]: S19
]
(;W[oa]CR[oa]
(;B[ac]CR[ac]C[Scribe [-\]: p19 and s19
])
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[kb]CR[kb]))
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[agui [8k\]: R19, S19
]))
(;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[dynamite [11k\]: yes
rince [?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
ratata [3k\]: yes
rarr [6k?\]: yes
wrong [3d?\]: of course
aimefreak [30k?\]: yes
cless [18k\]: no
li92093 [5k\]: yes
Medice [11k\]: yes
os69os [7k\]: y
wholeboard [8k\]: yes
goglu [-\]: two ways
oeillet [8k\]: p19
hansb [4k?\]: yes
MTtriangle [-\]: p19
mkpkmk [12k\]: yes
antant [20k\]: yes
wrong [3d?\]: this was last time
Chijin [-\]: yes
li92093 [5k\]: 1
jantiff [4k?\]: still 2 :)
])
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[dynamite [11k\]: @ wrong: no this was yesterday :p
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ac]CR[ac]C[Chijin [-\]: no
Jsh21 [13k\]: no
rarr [6k?\]: oh, nice
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]LB[oa:A][ra:B][lb:C]C[Medice [11k\]: yes.
rince [?\]: yes
antant [20k\]: no
rarr [6k?\]: no
wrong [3d?\]: oh, sorry, I know I saw somewhere
agui [8k\]: yes
os69os [7k\]: n
Schorrii [17k\]: yes
mkpkmk [12k\]: no
hansb [4k?\]: yes
murky: W kills B?
Chijin [-\]: 50/50
oeillet [8k\]: captured 3 stones
Chijin [-\]: ^^
wrong [3d?\]: yes
jantiff [4k?\]: no
rince [?\]: s19
li92093 [5k\]: no
antant [20k\]: both? :D
mkpkmk [12k\]: no
wingnut [-\]: maybe
ratata [3k\]: yes
Daywalker [9k\]: yes
sestir [4k\]: not
ToSla [12k\]: yes
BrunnenG [17k\]: its b´s turn so b should survive
Daywalker [9k\]: it can
mkpkmk [12k\]: no
monchacha [12k\]: yes
antant [20k\]: yes
li92093 [5k\]: no
dynamite [11k\]: not killable
MTtriangle [-\]: yes
Medice [11k\]: deadable..
mkpkmk [12k\]: no
rince [?\]: 1 way
agui [8k\]: 1
jantiff [4k?\]: no way 
mkpkmk [12k\]: 0
Chijin [-\]: muhaha
Schorrii [17k\]: no way
rince [?\]: 1
jantiff [4k?\]: uh, oh :)
mkpkmk [12k\]: so W can't kill B?
ratata [3k\]: S19 works
jantiff [4k?\]: hehehehe
Chijin [-\]: yay!
murky: thank you
li92093 [5k\]: thanks
Chijin [-\]: only time homework is fun
wrong [3d?\]: I know why I always tend to make bad eyeshape :((((((
])
(;W[ab]CR[ab]))
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[rince [?\]: lol
murky: both
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Chijin [-\]: hehe
XperiMenT [8k\]: created seki?
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[os69os [7k\]: lol
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[dynamite [11k\]: racism :O
wrong [3d?\]: I have bad eyebrows shape ^^
Medice [11k\]: i like to kill the color of mine..
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[playm8 [9k\]: whoever's stones are not mine
]
;B[od]CR[od]C[dynamite [11k\]: ^^
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong has uni-brow ?
])
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[XuShuyi [29k?\]: lol
Ferhat [13k\]: i always kill black 
]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[wrong [3d?\]: no, I mean I am not chinese/korean/japanese ;)
playm8 [9k\]: ferhat: remember to always take white
monchacha [12k\]: 4 at least
wingnut [-\]: yes you do, just not telling ;-)
guojuan [5p\]: a difficult one :)
guojuan [5p\]: you are getting stronger as I see :)
oeillet [8k\]: thnaks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
wrong [3d?\]: zai jian
Chijin [-\]: :,(
au2 [3k\]: THANKS
aimefreak [30k?\]: thx u
Chijin [-\]: Thanks!
murky: thanks you LaoShi
agui [8k\]: Ok Thank you very much !!
rince [?\]: thx   bye
jantiff [4k?\]: have a nice week
playm8 [9k\]: thx
Schorrii [17k\]: thx
playm8 [9k\]: cya
wingnut [-\]: thx Mingjiu, Ing foundation
Lanowen [30k?\]: Thank you!
grozephor [8k\]: thx
wholeboard [8k\]: thank you!
XuShuyi [29k?\]: thanks :) bye
mkpkmk [12k\]: thx
agui [8k\]: Bye
wrong [3d?\]: thank You mingjiu laoshi, thanks to Ing foundation too
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation
ricecooker [?\]: thanks
li92093 [5k\]: thx
Jsh21 [13k\]: Thank you!
Hu [12k\]: Thanks Ing Foundation, MingJiu, GuoJuan.
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
os69os [7k\]: Thank you
ratata [3k\]: thanks. bye
smuin [?\]: thank you and bye
Chijin [-\]: bye
sestir [4k\]: thanks both
Ferhat [13k\]: i am sure the answer is so simple 
wingnut [-\]: byee
au2 [3k\]: bye
mkpkmk [12k\]: bb
Chijin [-\]: !
Daywalker [9k\]: thank you
SAD21 [21k\]: thank you
Lanowen [30k?\]: bye
wrong [3d?\]: zai jian
DrGoPlayer [6k?\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: have a great week
Daywalker [9k\]: bye =D
Jsh21 [13k\]: bye!
ratata [3k\]: bye
wholeboard [8k\]: bye
ricecooker [?\]: can someone tell me how L17 affects the corner?
OOOOOO [1d?\]: the possibility of scape
ricecooker [?\]: i fail to see how... maybe im just weak then
])))