(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-07-03]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/] ;B[pd]CR[pd]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: is it on IGS? ] ;W[dd]CR[dd]C[murky: is there live broadcast? ] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[dq]CR[dq] (;B[co]CR[co]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: hi all lordofming [9k\]: O_O ] (;W[ck]CR[ck] (;B[hq]CR[hq] (;W[cp]CR[cp] ;B[do]CR[do] ;W[fq]CR[fq]C[wrong [3d?\]: sound is OK, though some workds not clearly understandable, but ok ] ;B[go]CR[go]C[hansb [4k?\]: little bit thin for black XxsakuraxX [?\]: hi ] (;W[nq]CR[nq]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: black can build moyo no? ChwingLufy [4k\]: black can build moyo no? ] (;B[lp]CR[lp]C[hansb [4k?\]: good for black wrong [3d?\]: competing whose plan is going to fail^^ ] (;W[no]CR[no] (;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: unusual jump at o5 hansb [4k?\]: white jumps instead wrong [3d?\]: each move should have 2-3 different goals hansb [4k?\]: normally good for black hansb [4k?\]: but ... now it is different Scribe [-\]: but in this case different, its okay for white ] ;W[jp]CR[jp]C[wrong [3d?\]: h3-m3 too far wrong [3d?\]: h3-m4 I mean hansb [4k?\]: because white invades wrong [3d?\]: so O3 is a real challenge to answer? ] (;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[eq]CR[eq]C[murky: In game, B tries to fix connection first ] ;B[jq]CR[jq]C[murky: Hello, Go master mingjiu [7p\]: hi Scribe [-\]: black tried to strengthen connection on lower left, but white gained in territory wrong [3d?\]: b W had another idea^^ ] (;W[hp]CR[hp]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: hi Scribe [-\]: Nihao Laoshi hansb [4k?\]: white is not strong hansb [4k?\]: sharp move by white Scribe [-\]: very sharp white move at h4 Scribe [-\]: White: Yi Setol wingnut [-\]: hehe seidelin [9k\]: he has a different style OOOOOO [1d?\]: what about k2? ] (;B[ip]CR[ip] ;W[io]CR[io] ;B[iq]CR[iq] ;W[gp]CR[gp] ;B[ho]CR[ho] ;W[jo]CR[jo]C[mingjiu [7p\]: thanks ] ;B[lq]CR[lq]C[hansb [4k?\]: white separates black Scribe [-\]: now white has split balck ] (;W[hm]CR[hm]C[hansb [4k?\]: difficult for black after white J7 ] (;B[ln]CR[ln]C[Scribe [-\]: white m6 is very difficult for black due to L2 white tesuji Scribe [-\]: black must jump to m6 therefore ] ;W[kr]CR[kr] (;B[lr]CR[lr]C[kencabbit [9k\]: I've got it open on gobase and very hard not to just look =P seidelin [9k\]: o7 Fluffball [24k\]: o7 ChwingLufy [4k\]: f6 agui [8k\]: F5 Bagol [15k\]: jump with o5? jeandoute [3d\]: f8, Ubiquity [?\]: e6 Scribe [-\]: the five black stones are not large enough ] (;W[en]CR[en]C[wrong [3d?\]: ordinary speakers, just turn the sound to 100% in ur mixer ] ;B[fo]CR[fo]C[murky: B F5 is B almost sente ] (;W[jm]CR[jm]C[Scribe [-\]: black f5 is nearly sente allows black to break whites shape at j6, therefore white responds ] ;B[bp]CR[bp] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[dp]CR[dp] ;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Medice [10k\]: beginner game? Scribe [-\]: creates good shape at k7 ] (;B[dl]CR[dl]C[Scribe [-\]: black trying to fix his shape ] ;W[dk]CR[dk] ;B[el]CR[el]C[Scribe [-\]: d8 best move ] ;W[cm]CR[cm] ;B[gl]CR[gl] ;W[gm]CR[gm] ;B[fm]CR[fm] (;W[cl]CR[cl]C[Scribe [-\]: black looking to create cutting or splitting of white ] ;B[fn]CR[fn] ;W[fj]CR[fj]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: white good shape Scribe [-\]: white persists in the attack ] ;B[il]CR[il]C[Scribe [-\]: keep up the pressure ] (;W[im]CR[im]C[mingjiu [7p\]: haha Scribe [-\]: hard to enclose black ] (;B[ej]CR[ej] ;W[ek]CR[ek] ;B[fk]CR[fk] (;W[fi]CR[fi]C[Grimley [8k\]: lol ] ;B[gj]CR[gj] ;W[gi]CR[gi] ;B[hj]CR[hj]C[wingnut [-\]: not quite ;-) matis [21k\]: ] ;W[lm]CR[lm] ;B[mn]CR[mn] ;W[hl]CR[hl]C[wingnut [-\]: key move Scribe [-\]: white h8 is a key move Scribe [-\]: to limit black eyes Scribe [-\]: white nearly alive now ] ;B[hi]CR[hi]C[softoldman [12k?\]: hane ligo [9k?\]: hane lined [1d\]: o8 Kamiah [?\]: g13 ligo [9k?\]: k16 HyperSonic [?\]: o7 Neyr [12k\]: j9 softoldman [12k?\]: L10 mpu [-\]: H12 ? jeandoute [3d\]: k10 fab [1k\]: H13 ? sergiop [11k\]: G9 is sente no? ] (;W[ji]CR[ji]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: o17 ] ;B[hg]CR[hg] ;W[fg]CR[fg] ;B[jg]CR[jg]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: started already? wingnut [-\]: W K11 makes it hard for B to make good shape ] (;W[li]CR[li] ;B[mm]CR[mm] ;W[qk]CR[qk]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: isnt lessons at 11pm? XperiMenT [8k\]: *11am Scribe [-\]: little far (k11) due to sente at h9 ] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[qf]CR[qf]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: est ] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[md]CR[md] ;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[he]CR[he]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: W build up support for attack? Scribe [-\]: white controls the board Scribe [-\]: easy game for white seidelin [9k\]: has white given up o3 group? Scribe [-\]: best moves k4, h4, k11 Scribe [-\]: n16 ladder breaker ? Scribe [-\]: please review this game again on your own Scribe [-\]: Xiexie jujo! wingnut [-\]: thank you Jujo ChwingLufy [4k\]: thanks for the game wholeboard [8k\]: thank you! Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation for making this possible murky: Thanks swilks [7k\]: thank you olczyk [16k\]: Thank you sergiop [11k\]: thank you au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION darrell [11k\]: Thank you kilroy [9k\]: thank you aboulafia [13k\]: thanks softoldman [12k?\]: thank you very much xtr [?\]: thank you agui [8k\]: Thank you very much !! hansb [4k?\]: thans au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR A NICE LECTURE djn [18k?\]: Thanks you kencabbit [9k\]: this game is the top news article on gobase.org if you want the whole thing FTL [14k\]: thanks Kenata [11k?\]: thank you matis [21k\]: thanmk You bye Hu [12k\]: Thank you. NTT [7k\]: bye au2 [3k\]: BYE smuin [?\]: thx poke556 [?\]: thanks and bye wrong [3d?\]: xie xie jeandoute [3d\]: xiexie keiju2 [15k\]: thanks Ermac [7k\]: bye snowmen [2d\]: Thank You wrong [3d?\]: zai jian SAD21 [19k\]: thank you wingnut [-\]: yes thanks Ing foundation, we get pro teachers :) unico [?\]: zai jian ] ;B[jh]CR[jh] ;W[ol]CR[ol] ;B[nk]CR[nk] ;W[lk]CR[lk]C[Scribe [-\]: yes XperiMenT.....Jujo is setting set for the lesson XperiMenT [8k\]: o ] ;B[pl]CR[pl] ;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[ok]CR[ok] ;W[kd]CR[kd]C[genthru [16k?\]: is there sound ? Scribe [-\]: patience grasshopper ] ;B[jj]CR[jj]C[softoldman [12k?\]: what game ? ] ;W[hk]CR[hk] ;B[gk]CR[gk] ;W[ki]CR[ki] ;B[ij]CR[ij] ;W[kl]CR[kl] ;B[gf]CR[gf] ;W[qc]CR[qc]C[softoldman [12k?\]: hi hansb [4k?\]: hello lined [1d\]: hello matis [21k\]: yup Ubiquity [?\]: hello FTL [14k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: Hello jujo b3rt [12k?\]: y XperiMenT [8k\]: hi Kenata [11k?\]: hello Scribe [-\]: softly keiju2 [15k\]: yes gromgull [11k\]: yep kamiu [30k?\]: hello wingnut [-\]: hi, loud and clear matis [21k\]: hello lordofming [9k\]: pfiou 9 p cervoise78 [17k\]: hi lordofming [9k\]: salut cervoise Scribe [-\]: Fujitsu Tournament Game Scribe [-\]: Yi Changho vs ??? lined [1d\]: lee sedol ChwingLufy [4k\]: ok ]) (;W[hk]CR[hk] ;B[gk]CR[gk]C[Scribe [-\]: white must help inner group therefore k11 ])) (;W[nm]CR[nm]C[olczyk [16k\]: K3 or p7 ]) (;W[nl]CR[nl]C[agui [8k\]: g13 Grimley [8k\]: p6 murky: p6 jeandoute [3d\]: tengen ] ;B[hg]CR[hg]C[Kenata [11k?\]: k10 (10k) ] ;W[fg]CR[fg]C[Fluffball [24k\]: e7 wingnut [-\]: L9 thomas [1k\]: q6? ChwingLufy [4k\]: h9 ] ;B[lk]CR[lk]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: h9 Kapitalq [?\]: h13 for white? ChwingLufy [4k\]: h9 jeandoute [3d\]: g13 xix [18k\]: d11 ]) (;W[kj]CR[kj])) (;W[gj]CR[gj] ;B[hl]CR[hl] ;W[lm]CR[lm] ;B[mn]CR[mn]C[Scribe [-\]: e10 nice tesuji ] ;W[kk]CR[kk] ;B[ij]CR[ij] ;W[mk]CR[mk] ;B[ei]CR[ei]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: ^^ ] ;W[gh]CR[gh] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: e11 wonderful move for black ])) (;B[hl]CR[hl]C[Scribe [-\]: j7 is correct move for white ] ;W[fk]CR[fk]C[murky: Connect is the good move for W Scribe [-\]: white inside group working against both of blacks groups ] ;B[fl]CR[fl] ;W[lm]CR[lm] ;B[mn]CR[mn] ;W[kk]CR[kk])) (;W[hl]CR[hl] (;B[hk]CR[hk] ;W[gk]CR[gk]) (;B[gk]CR[gk]C[Scribe [-\]: white does not have good response to black g11 ] ;W[hk]CR[hk] ;B[gj]CR[gj]C[wingnut [-\]: relentless ]))) (;W[fn]CR[fn] ;B[dm]CR[dm] ;W[dn]CR[dn] ;B[cn]CR[cn])) (;B[dm]CR[dm] ;W[el]CR[el]C[Scribe [-\]: black still very heavy ])) (;W[nm]CR[nm] ;B[in]CR[in])) (;W[fo]CR[fo] ;B[fp]CR[fp] ;W[gq]CR[gq] ;B[fn]CR[fn] ;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[jr]CR[jr]) (;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: black head is out at m6 so can connect together (see variation) ]) (;W[nm]CR[nm]C[snowmen [2d\]: f7 ChwingLufy [4k\]: f6 lined [1d\]: k7 ] ;B[ml]CR[ml] ;W[nl]CR[nl] ;B[mk]CR[mk] ;W[nk]CR[nk] ;B[mj]CR[mj] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[dl]CR[dl]C[thomas [1k\]: e7 Scribe [-\]: white o7 gives black easy line of play ChwingLufy [4k\]: f6 ]) (;W[em]CR[em] ;B[dl]CR[dl]C[wrong [3d?\]: he he, I can hear jujo's client sound when playing moves^^ ChwingLufy [4k\]: f6 agui [8k\]: F5 wrong [3d?\]: o7 too early? ] ;W[dm]CR[dm] ;B[cl]CR[cl] ;W[cm]CR[cm]C[olczyk [16k\]: If E7 then g3 instead. ] ;B[bm]CR[bm]C[Scribe [-\]: /me needs to get wrong's speakers ] ;W[bn]CR[bn] ;B[bl]CR[bl] ;W[bo]CR[bo] ;B[nm]CR[nm]C[Scribe [-\]: not good enough for white ChwingLufy [4k\]: f6 lined [1d\]: r6? ChwingLufy [4k\]: f ChwingLufy [4k\]: f6 ])) (;B[kq]CR[kq]C[wingnut [-\]: bothersome move ] ;W[lr]CR[lr]C[Scribe [-\]: appears black has attack on white o3,5, but white has attack on black in lower left ])) (;B[fm]CR[fm]C[murky: Scribe is legal voice ] ;W[ln]CR[ln]C[Scribe [-\]: NO difficult after H7 murky: hansb was wrong on this one ] ;B[fk]CR[fk]C[Scribe [-\]: j7 easy on black ] ;W[kr]CR[kr]C[Kapitalq [?\]: why are you typing what he says? ] ;B[lr]CR[lr] ;W[fo]CR[fo] ;B[fp]CR[fp] ;W[gq]CR[gq] ;B[fn]CR[fn] ;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Uvas [-\]: thats his job eq [4k\]: hansb too? ] (;B[kp]CR[kp]C[kencabbit [9k\]: for anybody who might not have sound, or looking back at game later ]) (;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[kp]CR[kp]C[Kapitalq [?\]: ok ] ;B[ks]CR[ks] ;W[oq]CR[oq]))) (;W[im]CR[im] ;B[gm]CR[gm] ;W[ik]CR[ik]C[Scribe [-\]: white j7 is too easy....black and white run together ] ;B[gk]CR[gk])) (;B[gp]CR[gp] ;W[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: usually a move like white h4 is bad hansb [4k?\]: Yi Setol has a sharp fighting style ] ;B[ir]CR[ir] ;W[ip]CR[ip] (;B[kq]CR[kq] ;W[hr]CR[hr]C[Scribe [-\]: but black k3 makes white h4 work ] ;B[gq]CR[gq] ;W[jr]CR[jr]) (;B[gq]CR[gq] ;W[jr]CR[jr]) (;B[hr]CR[hr] ;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[kp]CR[kp] ;B[gq]CR[gq]))) (;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[kp]CR[kp] ;W[iq]CR[iq] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[ip]CR[ip] ;B[ir]CR[ir] ;W[hp]CR[hp] ;B[gp]CR[gp] ;W[gq]CR[gq] ;B[hr]CR[hr] ;W[in]CR[in] ;B[lq]CR[lq]C[lined [1d\]: w can't attack the left black stones? hansb [4k?\]: black has nice shape on bottom ])) (;B[jq]CR[jq]) (;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: m4 is a little far from support at h3 and g5 ]) (;B[io]CR[io]C[Scribe [-\]: defend at j5 or attack at m3....black must choose ]) (;B[er]CR[er] (;W[fr]CR[fr] ;B[dp]CR[dp]C[hansb [4k?\]: white cannot answer F2 ] (;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[fp]CR[fp]C[Scribe [-\]: white crashes ]) (;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[cr]CR[cr] ;B[bp]CR[bp])) (;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[io]CR[io] ;W[jo]CR[jo] ;B[in]CR[in] ;W[jq]CR[jq]C[hansb [4k?\]: better than in the game hansb [4k?\]: for black ]))) (;B[ln]CR[ln] ;W[qn]CR[qn])) (;W[qq]CR[qq] ;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[qr]CR[qr] ;W[rq]CR[rq] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[po]CR[po] ;B[oq]CR[oq] ;W[rr]CR[rr] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: same joseki but now black is high at m4....little bit better ])) (;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [-\]: or if gote, deprive black of any bottom like this Scribe [-\]: attack the black four stones to the left hansb [4k?\]: two point extension is confortable and attack black is possible ]) (;B[lq]CR[lq] (;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [-\]: this joseki is the first one to occur to pro wingnut [-\]: O3 is slight over play ] ;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[qr]CR[qr] ;W[rq]CR[rq] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[po]CR[po] ;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: very common joseki ] (;W[qn]CR[qn]C[hansb [4k?\]: this comes to mind first ] ;B[ci]CR[ci]) (;W[rr]CR[rr]C[hansb [4k?\]: but black has sente wrong [3d?\]: if M3 would be on M4... wrong [3d?\]: ...would be perfect Scribe [-\]: black would prefer m3 to be at m4 hansb [4k?\]: black M4 instead of M3 would be perfext wingnut [-\]: B wish M3 stone was at M4 wingnut [-\]: in this position wrong [3d?\]: could he try high pincer??? olczyk [16k\]: When opponent isn't looking. ] ;B[on]CR[on] ;W[oo]CR[oo] ;B[no]CR[no] ;W[qo]CR[qo] ;B[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [-\]: white got sente and settled, but black is thicker ])) (;W[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [-\]: m4 is a little bit of overplay ] ;B[pq]CR[pq]C[hansb [4k?\]: no good for black either ] ;W[jq]CR[jq]C[hansb [4k?\]: white attacks ])) (;B[kq]CR[kq]C[wrong [3d?\]: so, m4 not good? ]) (;B[kp]CR[kp]C[murky: Then, B's M4 move didn't forsee W's jump ])) (;W[fo]CR[fo]C[hansb [4k?\]: black encloses white ] ;B[fn]CR[fn] ;W[gp]CR[gp]) (;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: the words "my voice" were noticably louder ] (;B[lp]CR[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: sufficient amplification can compensate for poor microphone to an extent...not everyone has such...external powered speakers provide lots of amplification ] ;W[oo]CR[oo] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[qr]CR[qr] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[hansb [4k?\]: black can start an attack, if he gets a chance ] ;W[ek]CR[ek] ;B[cf]CR[cf]C[wingnut [-\]: if B can get sente to play C11 he will be happy hansb [4k?\]: this is good for black cervoise78 [17k\]: yes au2 [3k\]: yes matis [21k\]: acceptable ChwingLufy [4k\]: yes NTT [7k\]: i can hear you FTL [14k\]: yes seidelin [9k\]: sound is fine for me murky: We can except for Scribe lined [1d\]: are the c9 stones okay since black is weak? lined [1d\]: thin* ]) (;B[mp]CR[mp]C[hansb [4k?\]: too easy for black Scribe [-\]: yes please murky: Scribe, you may want to restart the prgram Uvas [-\]: fine au2 [3k\]: voice level is fine swilks [7k\]: good for me Scribe [-\]: that is better snowmen [2d\]: ok Scribe [-\]: thank you xtr [?\]: good for me too cervoise78 [17k\]: good for me awolk [?\]: voice is very good now Kamiah [?\]: the sound is just fine wingnut [-\]: sound fine here, don't wan't jujo to lose his voice lol Scribe [-\]: White wants comfortable position in lower right AND sente ] ;W[oo]CR[oo] ;B[pn]CR[pn]))) (;W[ep]CR[ep]C[murky: Now pros don't like this exchange ] ;B[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [-\]: The fix was done by Mingjiu at his end ])) (;B[dp]CR[dp] (;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[cr]CR[cr] ;B[bq]CR[bq] ;W[hq]CR[hq]) (;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[er]CR[er] ;W[eo]CR[eo] ;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[bq]CR[bq] (;B[dr]CR[dr]) (;B[dn]CR[dn]))) (;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: Cant hear well enough to comment....sound is too soft murky: In 80's B jumps often wrong [3d?\]: this var is from 80's Uvas [-\]: turn up volume hansb [4k?\]: too easy for white to make territory Scribe [-\]: Uvas we have been through this before. ] ;B[cf]CR[cf]) (;B[gq]CR[gq]C[hansb [4k?\]: black H3 plays further away from thickness ] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[jq]CR[jq]C[wrong [3d?\]: they find these opening moves during the game, or it's all prepared before? hansb [4k?\]: white D3 E4 is very strong shape Uvas [-\]: I can hear fine kencabbit [9k\]: the sound is fine for me Launchpad [13k\]: yeah, me too wrong [3d?\]: depends on the microphone, if bad one, no help ])) (;W[dl]CR[dl]C[cervoise78 [17k\]: thx wingnut ])) (;B[oq]CR[oq]C[wingnut [-\]: Black Yoo ChangHyuk, 9p White Lee SeDol, 9p ] ;W[qj]CR[qj]) (;B[do]CR[do] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[dp]CR[dp] ;W[cp]CR[cp] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[cn]CR[cn]))