(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3000]OT[5x50 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-07-03]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[gertzu [8k\]: hi
agui [8k\]: Hello
aboulafia [13k\]: hello
wholeboard [8k\]: hi
Hu [12k\]: Howdy
murky: Hello, 
wrong [3d?\]: ni hao
eq [4k\]: :D
murky: Too loud
Hu [12k\]: A bit to close to the mike?
wingnut [-\]: almost blew my speakers..lol
Scribe [-\]: such a difference in sound, much better
murky: my volume too high
ricecooker [?\]: very loud
Hu [12k\]: Distorting sound a bit.
mof [3k?\]: bad sound is good, it is a reminiscence of high adventure and old times.
]
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: yes a little distortion
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: hi mingjiu
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: still better than too quiet
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[wrong [3d?\]: yes
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[aa]CR[aa]TR[kc]
;B[sd]CR[sd]TR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework!
Scribe [-\]: Black to play
wrong [3d?\]: what's the problem here?
wrong [3d?\]: can kill even without T16 I think
softoldman [12k?\]: S18 
ChwingLufy [4k\]: what's the problem
au2 [3k\]: w gets O19 in sente ?
murky: doesn't matter
Scribe [-\]: can the marked white stone (L17) help white ?  
NTT [7k\]: s18?
snowmen [2d\]: t17
os69os [7k\]: l15
ligo [9k?\]: s18
murky: B kills W
Fluffball [24k\]: t17
ChwingLufy [4k\]: s19
Grimley [8k\]: bad sound, distorted
ChwingLufy [4k\]: s19
snowmen [2d\]: B kills
Ubiquity [?\]: q19
Tarkam [?\]: s18
ChwingLufy [4k\]: r19 or s19
suducodu [?\]: audio...?
wrong [3d?\]: new homework????
]
(;W[na]CR[na]C[Scribe [-\]: o19 is sente for white
])
(;W[ab]CR[ab]TR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: without L17 black t17 kills 
Scribe [-\]: with L17 black t17 makes either ko (s18) or seki (r18)
hansb [4k?\]: O19
ligo [9k?\]: o19 not sente
matis [21k\]: v. badly
ligo [9k?\]: without l17
wrong [3d?\]: maybe B q19 can 'help'...
snowmen [2d\]: Q19
Tarkam [?\]: p19?
]
(;B[sc]CR[sc]C[wrong [3d?\]: i wonder if can pass ;) but seems not
murky: It's a ko.
]
(;W[na]CR[na]TR[kc]C[suducodu [?\]: Is there a sound problem?
Grimley [8k\]: my sound is very distorted
]
(;B[ma]CR[ma]C[Scribe [-\]: Black must block after white o19
]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[sb]CR[sb]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: ko
Scribe [-\]: but the block is gote
]
(;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[ChwingLufy [4k\]: seki
wrong [3d?\]: seki
Scribe [-\]: seki
]))
(;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]))
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[ricecooker [?\]: wow nice kill
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[oa]CR[oa]))
(;B[pa]CR[pa]C[Grimley [8k\]: sound is going from bad to worse
]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[wingnut [-\]: L17 makes the hane at O19 sente
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Scribe [-\]: black q19 makes L17 ineffective
wingnut [-\]: B can still kill W with Q19 tesuji
ChwingLufy [4k\]: no
wrong [3d?\]: hm, I am psychic^^
ringoshin [9k\]: when sound disappear or go bad, i usually just reopen the demo. it helps alot.
wrong [3d?\]: looks like mingjiu uses radio connection and it's lightning somewhere around ^_^
wrong [3d?\]: nice problem
wrong [3d?\]: thank You
Grimley [8k\]: my sound is very bad as well
wrong [3d?\]: new homework?
matis [21k\]: so is mine
wingnut [-\]: end
wrong [3d?\]: new homework, new homework
kencabbit [9k\]: if you give it now we'll be distracted
Scribe [-\]: new homeworks at end play
agui [8k\]: okl
Grimley [8k\]: can you check your mic mingjiu?
Scribe [-\]: please
ChwingLufy [4k\]: new
ChwingLufy [4k\]: new
murky: ok
Medice [10k\]: yes
Medice [10k\]: atleast i do
agui [8k\]: yes
murky: Yes, we can\\
awolk [?\]: yepp
wrong [3d?\]: maybe Philips should be a sponsor too, with micsrophones ^_^
Grimley [8k\]: its not very clear
]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[qb]CR[qb]TR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: white has shortage of liberties here
])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[wrong [3d?\]: is ko
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pa]CR[pa])
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
(;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [3d?\]: q18
])))
(;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[oa]CR[oa])
(;W[na]CR[na]C[wrong [3d?\]: O19
]
(;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[qb]CR[qb])
(;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]))))))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[ah88ber [21k\]: there is  afeng shui water mountain sound?
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]C[murky: amature game
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[unperson [10k?\]: i think the microphone record volume is too loud
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[murky: Chinese openning
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Grimley [8k\]: yes
]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[wingnut [-\]: san-ren-sei
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[matis [21k\]: r16?
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[strava [5k\]: nirensei
ringoshin [9k\]: yon-ren-sei
strava [5k\]: wrong
swilks [7k\]: how must white respond to double hane if k17?
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: then two bottoms are open
Scribe [-\]: black error
matis [21k\]: why better?
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[ricecooker [?\]: honestly i cannot tell the difference
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[ligo [9k?\]: 4 corners
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[olczyk [16k\]: Why not black double hane?
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[wingnut [-\]: because he's building a moyo and not planning on getting the corner
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: q10 is high and open to whites r line tones
]
;B[re]CR[re]C[strava [5k\]: this o,k,
Scribe [-\]: this variation good for whtie
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[qp]CR[qp]TR[jd][pj]C[Scribe [-\]: compare this to other variation
agui [8k\]: good for white
wingnut [-\]: this better for W
sergiop [11k\]: olczyk: because W can use Shuko tesuji: double hane is bad, if W get ponoko
wingnut [-\]: 4-4 = power/influence
Scribe [-\]: black does not have time to play r14 because white will play r4
ricecooker [?\]: ah...
Scribe [-\]: k16 is too close to black stones
murky: shape bad for B
])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]C[murky: no
Grimley [8k\]: to get sente
wingnut [-\]: sente
Scribe [-\]: black tries to take sente
murky: W should tenuki 
wingnut [-\]: B has to cut at P17 
]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: in order to get r4 move
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
(;B[mp]CR[mp])
(;B[mo]CR[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: this is blacks play behind black o17
Scribe [-\]: plan*
agui [8k\]: black
suducodu [?\]: Black
wingnut [-\]: hmmm
seidelin [9k\]: white
sergiop [11k\]: good for B
suducodu [?\]: White is kind of concentrated
]))
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: reverts to previous joseki,  no point to o17
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[au2 [3k\]: try to get sente
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[qp]CR[qp])
(;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[od]CR[od]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]TR[od][oe]C[Thelonious [15k\]: where is the aji?
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[wingnut [-\]: clear
Thelonious [15k\]: yes
]
(;W[qp]CR[qp]TR[mb][od][oe]C[wingnut [-\]: still not so good for W
wingnut [-\]: B
Scribe [-\]: traded black n18 for white two stones on line 'p'....bad aji for black
sergiop [11k\]: why W likes to have 2 week stones out?
])
(;W[of]CR[of]C[sergiop [11k\]: the white stones are not a burden?
]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Scribe [-\]: white is able to run and reduce black
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[sergiop [11k\]: week group to be chased?
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]C[ricecooker [?\]: not burden, can give up
]))
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[JasonD [10k?\]: weird
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[wingnut [-\]: nose
Scribe [-\]: black is even worse than before
]))
(;B[od]CR[od]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[qp]CR[qp])
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[wrong [3d?\]: the microphone is dying????
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pq]CR[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: two black stones are poorly placed
]
(;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[le]CR[le]TR[fc][jd]C[Scribe [-\]: good move for white
])
(;B[md]CR[md]))
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[qp]CR[qp]))))))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[seidelin [9k\]: Q17
agui [8k\]: q17
wingnut [-\]: Q17 
Scribe [-\]: where should black block ?
snowmen [2d\]: q17
lefuet [9k\]: q17
Scribe [-\]: which side is more valuable ?
strava [5k\]: r16
XperiMenT [8k\]: qu-rensei:)
xix [18k\]: top is bigger
ligo [9k?\]: r6 stone
sergiop [11k\]: bottom is open
strava [5k\]: r161
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[wrong [3d?\]: homework...
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]C[murky: If B can have sente, blocking R16 possible
]
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: q10 is too close, but doesnt matter, right side is open anyway, no potential there
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: now k16 is good relationship to black thickness
])
(;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Grimley [8k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: correct block for black q17
wrong [3d?\]: W q18?
agui [8k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: if black will play s14 must kill white corner stones at r16, r17
wingnut [-\]: no
agui [8k\]: no
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Grimley [8k\]: white will get a strong tenuki
]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[agui [8k\]: white takes the right side
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]C[wrong [3d?\]: b gets sente
]
;B[cf]CR[cf])
(;W[df]CR[df]
;B[rf]CR[rf]))
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[sergiop [11k\]: Fan Hui showed other day
wrong [3d?\]: You showed us once, a month ago or so
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[sergiop [11k\]: shuko tesuji
wrong [3d?\]: i remember it
]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[Scribe [-\]: but easy for white to invad
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[lp]CR[lp]TR[fc][jd]C[sergiop [11k\]: W
Grimley [8k\]: w
wrong [3d?\]: B has HUGE moyo
kencabbit [9k\]: those two black stones are looking weaker again
wrong [3d?\]: but B has sente
Scribe [-\]: hard for black to convert right side to territory
]
(;TR[ql])
(;B[]
(;W[ql]CR[ql])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[rp]CR[rp])))
(;B[od]CR[od]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: white tesuji
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qg]CR[qg]TR[oc][qc][qd][rf]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white....big corner
])
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[wrong [3d?\]: B needs stone at K17
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[wrong [3d?\]: I remember ^_^
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[jb]CR[jb]LB[kb:E][lb:C][jc:A][kc:D][lc:B]TR[jd]C[wingnut [-\]: yuck
wrong [3d?\]: so, W has to avoid this variation if B has a stone at K17
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[eq [4k\]: :D
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[wrong [3d?\]: so, this joseki is good if B has stone at K17!
])))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[sd]CR[sd]TR[rf])))))
(;W[dj]CR[dj]
(;B[nq]CR[nq])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[murky: another one please
Scribe [-\]: where should white play.....homework!
C0ldPlay [12k?\]: homework already?
C0ldPlay [12k?\]: don't go
C0ldPlay [12k?\]: don't!!!!!!!!1
])))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[wrong [3d?\]: he has to, hungry ;)
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[wrong [3d?\]: this problem was 10 times here
murky: How many ways
oeillet [8k\]: 2
Scribe [-\]: how many ways can white attack this black
fujikaga [11k\]: 3
JasonD [10k?\]: 3
strava [5k\]: 3
tromp [2k?\]: >=4
JCisKING [5k?\]: 4
wingnut [-\]: it's homework
oeillet [8k\]: 3
tuesday: p19
wrong [3d?\]: q19
ricecooker [?\]: R18
]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pa]CR[pa])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[wrong [3d?\]: p19
])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [3d?\]: r18
])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[wrong [3d?\]: only r19 doesn't work, he he
agui [8k\]: yes
QWerner [16k\]: jes
murky: find the fifth way
]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[JasonD [10k?\]: the insanity!
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[re]CR[re]C[Scribe [-\]: how many ways can white attack black .... homework!
wrong [3d?\]: thank You
wrong [3d?\]: zai jian
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
strava [5k\]: bye
murky: You never do
wingnut [-\]: ok thanks MingJiu 
murky: thanks
hansb [4k?\]: thanks
wholeboard [8k\]: thanks for the lesson
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
kirschi [15k\]: thanks
fujikaga [11k\]: thanks
matis [21k\]: thanks, bye
QWerner [16k\]: htx alot
parsan [17k\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR A GOOD LECTURE
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much !!
eq [4k\]: thanks!!
C0ldPlay [12k?\]: byebye =(
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to Ing Foundaion
kilroy [9k\]: thanks
suducodu [?\]: Thankies! ^_^
wrong [3d?\]: thanks to ING foundation
os69os [7k\]: thant you
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
ricecooker [?\]: thank you
wingnut [-\]: byeeee
seidelin [9k\]: thx
wrong [3d?\]: thank to Scribe for testing new microphones today ^_^
murky: Happy holiday
smuin [?\]: thank u and bye
au2 [3k\]: bye bye
agui [8k\]: See you
QWerner [16k\]: bye
Ermac [7k\]: bye
wholeboard [8k\]: cu
murky: Bye
Scribe [-\]: bye
suducodu [?\]: Have a gr8t summer
Scribe [-\]: zaijian
])))