(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-07-10]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/] ;B[qd]CR[qd] ;W[dc]CR[dc] ;B[dp]CR[dp] ;W[pq]CR[pq] ;B[ce]CR[ce] (;W[ed]CR[ed]C[Scribe [-\]: fighting style fuseki...diagonal fuseki leads to fights easily Scribe [-\]: white e16 very solid move, denies black e16 Scribe [-\]: common black p17 ] (;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[oc]CR[oc] (;B[jc]CR[jc] (;W[qh]CR[qh] (;B[ql]CR[ql] ;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[pf]CR[pf] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[qb]CR[qb]C[Scribe [-\]: even fuseki Scribe [-\]: black does not mind being enclosed here ] (;W[lc]CR[lc]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: white wrong direction Scribe [-\]: white five stones (p17) may be attacked unless white forms base with m17 ] ;B[gc]CR[gc]C[wrong [3d?\]: my direction? DrGoPlayer [-\]: :-) Scribe [-\]: even fuseki, its a game Scribe [-\]: blakc may be slightly favored ] (;W[df]CR[df] ;B[cg]CR[cg] ;W[dh]CR[dh]C[dadada: cut hansb [4k?\]: D13 wingnut [-\]: C12 binky [12k?\]: d13 puzi [10k\]: n3 agui [8k\]: B12 Puffin [14k\]: C18 olczyk [16k\]: o4 is better but not yet wrong [3d?\]: does proverb "if you don't know what to play - tenuki" apply here? Scribe [-\]: black must defend left side ] (;B[dg]CR[dg]C[alfredC: isn't this too godd for W ? ] ;W[eg]CR[eg] ;B[ef]CR[ef]C[wrong [3d?\]: sorry, seems I have some troubles only with connection to japanese sites, so there's a netlag up to one minute :((( ] ;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: black got both sides ] (;B[ee]CR[ee]C[Scribe [-\]: black can not sacrifice e14 ] (;W[de]CR[de] ;B[fe]CR[fe] ;W[fd]CR[fd] ;B[ge]CR[ge] ;W[gd]CR[gd]C[murky: atari D15 is correct ] ;B[cf]CR[cf] ;W[dd]CR[dd] (;B[hd]CR[hd]C[letmeplay [3k\]: lee sedol vs choi cheolchan letmeplay [3k\]: i already see this game letmeplay [3k\]: ^^ ] ;W[he]CR[he] ;B[gf]CR[gf]C[Grimley [7k\]: h17 DrGoPlayer [-\]: H17 binky [12k?\]: f13 hansb [4k?\]: H14 Ahndraniel [15k\]: h14 olczyk [16k\]: h14 then j16 Rauli [1k?\]: J16 puzi [10k\]: f12 klickklack [4k\]: F13 ? Tarkam [?\]: F13 Scribe [-\]: does not solve problem for white top left corner ] (;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: looks like a slow move Ahndraniel [15k\]: empty triangle :-) Scribe [-\]: but now white very safe olczyk [16k\]: honte Scribe [-\]: black's three groups are not settled Scribe [-\]: very difficult situation for black zee [11k\]: B e15 was not good Scribe [-\]: black must help left sides stones first ] (;B[ch]CR[ch]C[wingnut [-\]: yes ] ;W[eh]CR[eh] (;B[gh]CR[gh] (;W[dj]CR[dj]C[zee [11k\]: W 4 dead Scribe [-\]: potential white move at c11motivating black g12 and white d10 ] (;B[cj]CR[cj] ;W[id]CR[id] ;B[hc]CR[hc] ;W[ie]CR[ie]C[zee [11k\]: very busy for B ] (;B[gj]CR[gj]C[puzi [10k\]: fujitsu final? ] (;W[hi]CR[hi] ;B[gi]CR[gi] ;W[ck]CR[ck]C[letmeplay [3k\]: i think so ] ;B[bj]CR[bj]C[Scribe [-\]: especially while considering various possibilities ] (;W[fk]CR[fk]C[kirschi [16k\]: sorry, hear u all something? i hve no sound ] ;B[gk]CR[gk] ;W[fm]CR[fm]C[murky: Pro can be deadli on board murky: deadly ] (;B[dk]CR[dk]C[puzi [10k\]: you will have in 5 minutes... Scribe [-\]: seeking to attack either corner or center group zee [11k\]: this way, W seperates B and tries to attack corner or center ] (;W[dl]CR[dl]C[Out [17k?\]: He should just be setting up. ] ;B[di]CR[di]C[ligo [9k?\]: no audio ] (;W[gg]CR[gg]C[zee [11k\]: W tries to catch 4 murky: B H14 mistake ] (;B[hf]CR[hf] ;W[if]CR[if] ;B[hg]CR[hg] ;W[ig]CR[ig] ;B[hh]CR[hh]C[zee [11k\]: g13 is good ] ;W[ek]CR[ek] ;B[ei]CR[ei]C[kirschi [16k\]: o thanks Scribe [-\]: before sacrifice white get j13 and j14 in sente zee [11k\]: H14 is a mistake ] (;W[jb]CR[jb]C[Scribe [-\]: very nice move zee [11k\]: W K18 is good Scribe [-\]: best move to attack black top group (white k18) Grimley [7k\]: to enclose Scribe [-\]: black can not escape after k18 zee [11k\]: Now game is good for W Scribe [-\]: game good for white for sure ] (;B[fq]CR[fq] (;W[bp]CR[bp]C[zee [11k\]: B tries to get territory ] ;B[co]CR[co] ;W[bo]CR[bo] ;B[cn]CR[cn] ;W[bn]CR[bn] ;B[cm]CR[cm] ;W[bm]CR[bm]C[Scribe [-\]: tries to get life quick without black getting big corner zee [11k\]: W tries to settle ] (;B[cq]CR[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: still hard for black to kill outside stones ] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[mq]CR[mq] ;W[cr]CR[cr] ;B[dr]CR[dr] ;W[cp]CR[cp] ;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[po]CR[po] ;W[nr]CR[nr]C[zee [11k\]: If B tries to cue, it will not work ] (;B[mr]CR[mr]C[Scribe [-\]: after white c2 black can never cut white c9 from b7 ] ;W[nq]CR[nq] ;B[np]CR[np] (;W[ro]CR[ro] ;B[rn]CR[rn]) (;W[mp]CR[mp] ;B[no]CR[no] ;W[ro]CR[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: hane at s5 bit mistake ] ;B[rn]CR[rn]C[letmeplay [3k\]: not much people... DrGoPlayer [-\]: but we are eager :-) XperiMenT [8k\]: i dont hear anything.... Tarkam [?\]: me too XperiMenT [8k\]: nvm DrGoPlayer [-\]: hi Tarkam [?\]: hello :) wingnut [-\]: hi dadada: hi kirschi [16k\]: hi XperiMenT [8k\]: yes tibra [13k?\]: good sound Ahndraniel [15k\]: yes seidelin [9k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: yes sounds very good Phil73 [20k\]: ok seidelin [9k\]: better than last week binky [12k?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: see Scribe info for how to set your sound controls puzi [10k\]: W+2.5 ] ;W[lq]CR[lq] ;B[lr]CR[lr] ;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[kr]CR[kr] ;W[jq]CR[jq] ;B[mo]CR[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: white almost lost this game ] ;W[lp]CR[lp] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[iq]CR[iq]C[zee [11k\]: W should not s5...bad move ] ;B[ir]CR[ir] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[hr]CR[hr] ;W[gn]CR[gn]C[Scribe [-\]: better to just create life in lower right zee [11k\]: W thinks of secure connectio and game would be over swissgo [11k\]: s3 murky: real game had g3 and g2 exchange Scribe [-\]: worthwhile for you to look into the continuation of this game on your own letmeplay [3k\]: g 6 looks strange without g 3 wingnut [-\]: W S5 mistake gives B a chance to get back into the game kencabbit [9k\]: I missed the beginning, which game is this? Scribe [-\]: http://gobase.org/replay/?gam=/games/inter/titles/fujitsu/18/game-f01.sgf puzi [10k\]: fujitsu final ken kencabbit [9k\]: thanks swilks [7k\]: thank you Hu [12k\]: Thank you for excellent analysis. darrell [11k\]: Thank you Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation for this opportunity tfd [?\]: thank you au2 [3k\]: THANK YOU - NICE LECTURE Puffin [14k\]: 謝謝高尚的 jujo Scribe [-\]: to teach and learn zee [11k\]: Thanks braincrash [?\]: the lesson flow smooth and clear murky: thanks Ahndraniel [15k\]: thaks to the ing foundation and thanks to jujo!!!!!!!! Scribe [-\]: Xiexie jujo rygar [13k\]: thanks goglu [-\]: Thanks Jujo Titonio [11k\]: thank you gargantua [19k?\]: thx au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION wingnut [-\]: thank you Jujo, Ing Goe Foundation & transcribers kirschi [16k\]: thanks binky [12k?\]: thank you jujo Dibbun [15k\]: thankyou nux [19k\]: thank you swissgo [11k\]: thanks jujo puzi [10k\]: thanks SAD21 [18k\]: thank you Phil73 [20k\]: xiexie dreamtime [9k\]: thank au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe DrGoPlayer [-\]: thanks Shinbo [29k?\]: thks vantoch [14k\]: thanks, cu hansb [4k?\]: thanks kamiu [28k?\]: thank you Socke [9k?\]: thanks zee [11k\]: Thanks for the ING foundation for this ])) (;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[cl]CR[cl] ;B[bl]CR[bl] ;W[do]CR[do] ;B[dn]CR[dn] ;W[eo]CR[eo] ;B[en]CR[en] ;W[fo]CR[fo])) (;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[cq]CR[cq])) (;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[bo]CR[bo])) (;B[ic]CR[ic]C[Grimley [7k\]: why not l15? ] ;W[kc]CR[kc] ;B[ib]CR[ib] ;W[kb]CR[kb] ;B[eb]CR[eb] ;W[db]CR[db] ;B[jd]CR[jd] ;W[kf]CR[kf]C[puzi [10k\]: after k18 b floating with 1 eye Scribe [-\]: not enough space on top for black to live ]) (;B[lb]CR[lb]) (;B[kb]CR[kb]C[zee [11k\]: no way for B to escape ] (;W[kc]CR[kc] ;B[ib]CR[ib]) (;W[ib]CR[ib] ;B[ic]CR[ic] ;W[kc]CR[kc] ;B[jd]CR[jd] ;W[kf]CR[kf]))) (;W[ic]CR[ic] ;B[ib]CR[ib]C[Rauli [1k?\]: why not defend on top instead of E11? ] ;W[jb]CR[jb] ;B[kb]CR[kb] ;W[hb]CR[hb] ;B[ja]CR[ja] ;W[gb]CR[gb] ;B[lb]CR[lb]C[zee [11k\]: best way to attack B ]) (;W[kb]CR[kb]C[Scribe [-\]: best move to attack black top group (white k18) ] ;B[jb]CR[jb] ;W[fb]CR[fb]C[ohmygosh [7k\]: i hope one day i can read that deep ] ;B[ld]CR[ld])) (;B[fg]CR[fg] ;W[hg]CR[hg] ;B[ei]CR[ei]C[Scribe [-\]: better than game for black ] ;W[hf]CR[hf] ;B[fh]CR[fh]C[zee [11k\]: W gave B few points but he got strong to attack top Scribe [-\]: e9 will never be sente for white now zee [11k\]: this way, e9 cannot be sente DrGoPlayer [-\]: e9 capture not sente this way ])) (;W[ek]CR[ek] ;B[ei]CR[ei])) (;W[ej]CR[ej] ;B[dl]CR[dl] ;W[gl]CR[gl]C[Scribe [-\]: white without benefit ] ;B[ik]CR[ik]C[Scribe [-\]: black profit on left, escape in center ])) (;B[hm]CR[hm] ;W[fo]CR[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: pro go player: thoughtful and quiet rather than impulsive and loud zee [11k\]: W f9 was nice, otherwise B attacks ] ;B[cn]CR[cn] ;W[hp]CR[hp])) (;W[ek]CR[ek]C[swilks [7k\]: sound is fine for me ] ;B[fl]CR[fl]C[Scribe [-\]: yes sometimes jujo speaks softly ] ;W[dm]CR[dm] ;B[en]CR[en]C[braincrash [?\]: i have sound but its less than before Scribe [-\]: strong black attack ]) (;W[dk]CR[dk] ;B[fm]CR[fm])) (;W[jb]CR[jb] ;B[ck]CR[ck]) (;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[bj]CR[bj] ;W[ej]CR[ej] ;B[gl]CR[gl])) (;B[kb]CR[kb]C[Scribe [-\]: white now attacking top black grouo ] ;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[ci]CR[ci] ;W[ej]CR[ej] ;B[gj]CR[gj] ;W[bk]CR[bk] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[bc]CR[bc] ;B[ad]CR[ad] ;W[fb]CR[fb])) (;B[gj]CR[gj] ;W[ci]CR[ci])) (;W[ci]CR[ci] ;B[bi]CR[bi] (;W[bj]CR[bj]C[Fredrikk [10k\]: d11 hansb [4k?\]: D11 agui [8k\]: A12 zee [11k\]: W cannot double hane now ] ;B[di]CR[di] ;W[cj]CR[cj] ;B[ei]CR[ei]) (;W[cj]CR[cj] ;B[bj]CR[bj] ;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[bc]CR[bc] ;B[ae]CR[ae]))) (;B[id]CR[id]C[Grimley [7k\]: c11 DrGoPlayer [-\]: c11 Scribe [-\]: top group now settled hansb [4k?\]: C11 binky [12k?\]: G12 DrGoPlayer [-\]: happens to me too often :-) ] ;W[ci]CR[ci] ;B[bi]CR[bi]C[binky [12k?\]: D10 DrGoPlayer [-\]: b10 dadada: b10 XperiMenT [8k\]: B10 hansb [4k?\]: B10 Scribe [-\]: squeeze left side group zee [11k\]: what for W now? ] ;W[bj]CR[bj]C[wingnut [-\]: popular tesuji ] ;B[cj]CR[cj] ;W[di]CR[di] ;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[bh]CR[bh]C[zee [11k\]: b10 popular tesuji ] ;B[aj]CR[aj] ;W[bg]CR[bg]C[Scribe [-\]: black inside stones are dead ])) (;B[eh]CR[eh] ;W[fg]CR[fg] ;B[di]CR[di] ;W[fh]CR[fh] ;B[ei]CR[ei] ;W[id]CR[id] ;B[hc]CR[hc] ;W[ie]CR[ie]C[zee [11k\]: hard for B to take care of 3 groups ]) (;B[id]CR[id] ;W[ch]CR[ch])) (;W[fg]CR[fg] (;B[ie]CR[ie] ;W[hf]CR[hf]) (;B[bc]CR[bc] ;W[hc]CR[hc] ;B[id]CR[id] ;W[gb]CR[gb] ;B[gg]CR[gg] ;W[gh]CR[gh] ;B[if]CR[if])) (;W[hf]CR[hf] ;B[gg]CR[gg]) (;W[hc]CR[hc] ;B[id]CR[id] ;W[gb]CR[gb] ;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Scribe [-\]: simple, but not good enough for white ] ;W[pm]CR[pm] ;B[ic]CR[ic] ;W[hb]CR[hb] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[ie]CR[ie] ;B[jf]CR[jf])) (;B[he]CR[he] ;W[hd]CR[hd] ;B[ie]CR[ie] ;W[id]CR[id] (;B[jd]CR[jd] ;W[je]CR[je]) (;B[je]CR[je] ;W[jd]CR[jd] ;B[eh]CR[eh] ;W[fg]CR[fg]C[zee [11k\]: top too big Scribe [-\]: not good for black wrong [3d?\]: w happy zee [11k\]: this not good for B ]))) (;W[fe]CR[fe]C[Scribe [-\]: very strong move f14 by white wingnut [-\]: E14 is an important stone, B can't afford to sacrifice ] ;B[de]CR[de] ;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Scribe [-\]: white has not gained ] ;B[fc]CR[fc] ;W[fd]CR[fd] ;B[hd]CR[hd])) (;B[eh]CR[eh] ;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[di]CR[di] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[bf]CR[bf]C[Scribe [-\]: corner is too big ])) (;B[mq]CR[mq]C[swilks [7k\]: o3 zee [11k\]: left side is urgent ] (;W[ch]CR[ch]C[wingnut [-\]: hehe ]) (;W[cc]CR[cc])) (;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[dg]CR[dg] ;B[bd]CR[bd]) (;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[di]CR[di] ;B[ci]CR[ci] ;W[dj]CR[dj] ;B[bk]CR[bk]C[Scribe [-\]: probably better than real game zee [11k\]: better than game ])) (;W[cd]CR[cd] ;B[de]CR[de] ;W[bd]CR[bd] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: slow play by white ])) (;W[hc]CR[hc] ;B[mc]CR[mc])) (;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[qk]CR[qk])) (;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[pf]CR[pf] ;B[qg]CR[qg] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[qh]CR[qh] ;W[ph]CR[ph] ;B[pi]CR[pi] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: now this sequence is bad for white Scribe [-\]: black has prevented white form making puzi [10k\]: now w thickness isnt that useful anymore Scribe [-\]: big moyo on top with black k17 ])) (;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[pf]CR[pf] ;B[qg]CR[qg] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[qh]CR[qh] ;W[ph]CR[ph] ;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Scribe [-\]: now white presses black low on right ] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[pj]CR[pj] ;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [-\]: bad for black Scribe [-\]: good for white ])) (;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: prevents white from being forced low on top ] ;W[qo]CR[qo])) (;W[oc]CR[oc]C[agui [8k\]: Hello ] ;B[ed]CR[ed] ;W[ec]CR[ec] ;B[fd]CR[fd] ;W[gc]CR[gc] ;B[gd]CR[gd] ;W[hc]CR[hc] ;B[hd]CR[hd] ;W[id]CR[id] ;B[ie]CR[ie]C[Scribe [-\]: white low on top Scribe [-\]: uncomfortable ]))